Not worth arguing with a guy who says xd and can only think about things that happened this week. But for anyone else reading this chain. Navi are very very weak rn with a s1mple who hasnt been himself recently and a brand new player. Not to mention elec igl hasnt looks amazing yet. Now thats not to take away from grim the dude is very good, but hes also playing the star roles on coL and is pretty much the only good player, floppy has some moments but has been lackluster compared to what people expected from him after atk/c9 Now for oSee, first of all his biggest issue is his consistency, some games he looks like a top7 awper and top20 player. Than other games Id bet on hooxi out aiming him. But if were purely talking stats, yes he has the awp and yes he has dececnt roles but there is also Yekindar, Naf, & Elige who all frequently top the scoreboard. Meanwhile coL has grim and sometimes floppy shows us something. So of course by stats grim looks better. Also liquid look kinda dogshit as a whole rn. Everyone missing shots and they are barely winning trades, hopefully they pick that up. EDIT: tldr Liquid has 4 star players, coL has 1. When your team has less star players the 1 star player will always look better. Just look at hltv top 20s to tell that. S1mple has b1t, perfecto, electronic playing out of their mind he gets 2nd, next year they all play like dogshit and he gets top1. shrug