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News that ChatGPT is successfully passing college exams as well as a lot of other tasks are terrifying
It's a communist wet dream when robots do all the repetitive work and humanity is all into science/arts etc. But AI progresses at these fields too and does it scarily fast
Are we doomed?
What humans are for if AI will eventually be able to do everything?
Yes it is very dangerous
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i disagree, ai isnt dangerous, but it could be
everytime there is new technology, there is bound to have new dangers coming out with it
for example: internet, vehicles, and gunpowder
these things can have insanely bad consequences if used in a certain way but are overall agreed to be beneficial to humanity due to how useful they are
the majority of people use things that were considered "dangerous" in a good way. just like how knives are dangerous but 99% of people use it to do normal things. for AI software its the same. the grand majority will use it to make their lives easier
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This, it is relative. If one has half a brain they know that relatively speaking AI could be considered dangerous.
As much as I want to believe it won't get out of bounds of a mere tool it's completely different principle than what we ever had before. You said it - internet, vehicles, gunpowder... All just a "dumb tools" can't do anything without human hands and intelligence. AI can operate and evolve itself and nobody knows how far that rabbit hole can go.
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sure except as of right now it is impossible for AI to gain sentience, which is the only danger most people are worried about. it can mimic sentience, sure, but have it?
besides, AI needs to be fed information and updated, so it is pretty much useless without human intelligence. Its independence can only go so far, especially at this stage
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Very true, that was rather for the far future stand point of view, the creators themselves are not sure how to deal with the whole sentience topic, imo just a matter of time till someone crazy enough will give it a green light.
But as of now, it's seeping in all sorts of creative fields, unregulated, fed and trained on copyrighted works. I wish it's just a trendy gimmick but it might have way bigger impact on society than we can now imagine.
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ye it's less about sci-fi movie and more about people losing their jobs across all sorts of fields.
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yes but only a small percentage of ppl are terrorists and even fewer ppl have access e.g. to nukes. AI is an all accessible opensource.
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See how drawing AI is powerful, in class some of my mates used AI to draw a logo instead of creating it, thats disgusting. I think art will suffer a lot now that AI can replace artist and designers. Some of my mates used gpt to write an text in english instead of writing it to learn the language which is kinda the point of english class. It makes our life a little easier rn but imagine in 10 years with the actual speed of AI development, life will be too easy, no efforts, people will use AI to resolve all problems, i dont know if i explain correctly but you understand what i mean
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Yeah ppl will dumb down and get lazier even more, AI will cause lazy brains and you'll see how new generations will get so stupid we'll be dying inside from interaction with them and they'll call us bitter old cavemen for using our brains instead of AI. There will be pre and post-AI world.
In the creative field, it's truly disgusting. Many talentless people already try to cheat their way into it but thankfully competent professionals can see through their bs as of now.
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True
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+1 literally destroying human creativity
This shit needs to get banned except for use in technological fields
why are you terrified of a computer program that can answer college exam questions
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Because it's becoming a tool of deception. Deception is usually something which benefits a few, but hurts a lot more.
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I choose to not live in fear that a computer program can answer college exams, but if you are terrified by it then that's also cool I guess
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I agree with you
AI isn't dangerous in the skynet-sense of being actually intelligent and conscious or something like that, that's science fiction and not conceivably close in spite of what wide-eyed futurists imagine. It also isn't going to take all of our jobs
What is dangerous is the potential for use in deception. Scamming people, impersonating people, faking videos and voices. That's the real world concern
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Except we are not equal. Some people are more capable, lazy, stronger than others.
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Yes. Further reiterating the matter.
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you don't know what to do with a lower life form that's wasting resources, is annoying and potentially dangerous to your existence? weird, for me it's not hard to figure out when i have to squash a bug or a mosquito.
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it's not "lets" it's "it will". when "ai is fully in charge of everything in the world" happens, it will not be up to us to decide what to do with world's population.
humans don't completely exterminate mosquitos, even though we have the means, for the sake of biodiversity. maybe AI will keep some of us around for similar reasons.
It's a communist wet dream when robots do all the repetitive work and humanity is all into science/arts etc. But AI progresses at these fields too and does it scarily fast
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Except first "jobs" the AI will replace is everything Art and pornography related (some of the first "better" tools were to remove clothes from images, and to generate random porn). No need to pay for artists anymore -> you need to get money some other way. Of course people will still do art, but paid art will be much more limited than it currently is.
Last jobs that we will have are Testers. Everyone has seen the ChatGPT memes "What is 1+1" "2" "My wife says its 3" "Sorry your wife is correct, its actually 3". Imagine when the AI is good enough to actually write larger programs based on given specs: someone still needs to verify those specs, and that the AI had understood the specs correctly. And ain't no fucking way any Mr. Moneybags spents their days clicking through the apps.
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I am amazed at your complete lack of argumentation skills.
You must be looking forward to using AI in your work/school assignments. Saving you from getting sacked/failing.
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that is exactly why AI is not dangerous
idiot is going to cheat with AI just like he used to cheat with calculator in grade school
others it would not affect, if they know what they are doing
i dont want to elucidate anything on hltv, its pretty much pointless
im just dropping thoughts in case someone finds it interesting
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Basically you condone lying and deception. You are a threat for sure, and never to be trusted.
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Clearly you haven't gone to higher education yet. 90% of the population would use this to write their thesis and/or dissertation. Education is going to have to shift otherwise it is going to be redundant.
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No, I went through higher education without cheating. Others who use AI will be doing it better, therefore the standards will be higher. You will be left behind if you don't exploit it. Also why would i put in the hard work, when I could get AI to write it as if I wrote it and at any grade I desire?
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1 - Anyone using AI to cheat would have cheated anyways
2 - People cheating get better grades regardless of AI
3 - if AI can come up with new ideas for thesis then theres no for humans to write them anyways
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Yes, I agree. The education system is going to have to change (and it will) if it is to stay relevant.
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education might be the most overrated thing eva so i dont think its gonna change in any meaningful way
The issue you have is that up until higher education it is measuring how much you can learn and understand. The thesis shows if you can apply knowledge to practical situations after exploring the literature, and maybe create new knowledge.
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>it is measuring how much you can learn and understand.
Not true, grades measure how much stuff you can memorize and then regurgitate at exams. People forget most of the things they have "learned" in one semester by the start of the other. You only truly learn at your job. Education is 80% signaling.
Again, if the AI can write better a thesis than you, then theres no need to write one in the first place. Also, I think most undergrads do not have to write thesis to graduate, at least not in the US.
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The undergraduate is learning and understanding. The master study is application of knowledge. Up until then, it is testing your capabilities of learning.
Forgetting 80% what you learn isn't that important, it was your capability to learn that matters, as it shows your ability to learn the job you do after.
p.s. good schools will give you as much practical work and examples as possible. Knowledge is only 1 part, you have to be able to apply it also to real world situations.
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1 - I don't agree. Undergraduate is (mostly) for signaling your future employer you are conformist, somewhat smart and productive. Read 'The case against education' by Bryan Caplan.
2 - True. Mostly college is not for learning as people forget most of what they have "learned".
3 - Not true at all, you get much more practical work at work (I study engineering btw).
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3 - It is true, for example, if I go into an engineering office as a student and see how they work in the workplace and ask the people in the field the questions that are useful to me, that is more useful than just reading from a book.
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1 - somewhat smart should be figured out before University, or the education system is too slow. In the UK that is how it functions anyway, in Brazil they may be doing things differently.
3 - No one is arguing against more practical work at work, that is obvious. The comparison here is between practical work at university or pure textbook knowledge.
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> ai wont do relations with people
It does already chat with people, and way this progresses there will probably be Personalized Chatbots that learn about you and it can imitate interest, which is more than most people get from real people during their lifetime. Limited versions already exist: someone did big-titty avatar chatbot that you can talk about anime.
>ai wont see problems with authority and dictatorship,
Most likely true, enforcing ethics will be big issue
> ai wont connect with ur feelings
It won't, but it can still fake that, and some will still fall in love with it like in movie: Her, 2013
> ai wont take responsibility,
Neither do humans
> ai wont be human pretty much
Not sure if this is bad thing. Based on how some people act against their fellow humans based on minor differences, I'm not sure we can count some humans as humans anymore. So next gen chatbot with enforced ethics, on modern human doll is probably more humane human than many humans currently.
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We are not talking about AI robots killing everyone in the streets like in films, but people loosing their job because a AI can replace them.
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But many more jobs can be replaced by time and its exponential. Now AI can not replace all jobs, but imagine in just 10 years the power of AI. The number of jobs deleted will be huge
humans are dangerous and AI will realize and that will make AI dangerous.
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if ai cant carry me to nova 1 it aint that intelligent
Dont try to put labels or categorize your nonsense with ideologies like communism when you have not studied it at all and base your knowledge upon what you have read others told you to believe.
Now back to AI.. It is the future drawing us closer to the point of singularity and better knowledge because of the technological prowess we might achieve - there is nothing bad about this specifically other than we know human beings tend to be driven by the EGO - upon which greed and other sins derive from. There is no real enemy other than yourself and we are all connected and sadly the history of mankind is so violent and torn inside out, that it totally ingrained in human culture and the human psyche.. That should be your main concern - people trying to seize power and dominate other human beings - if we were ever to eliminate these control mechanisms (which is quite possibly , very impossible) then there would be no need of war, starvation and other horrible things.
It is in our future to chase the stars and evolve to higher planes of consciousness - the planet is made up of finite resources, we cant keep continuing living the way we are... Technology and AI can help us escape the current dogma and create a paradigm shift..
I would say it does depend on what civilizational stage we are when AI gets in full scope of use, if Advanced AI to be created this century I think it'll turn into clownfiesta and new age of slavery for human race with eradication of lower class ofc.
AI is a perfect trojan horse too, it'll start flowers and rainbows, but consequences :)
yes specially car ai
its definitely scary especially when they can now do stuff like compose music, do art, write poems, Sculptures (3D printers) the artistic stuff that we thought we would be especially way better than AI at, they can do it too.. soooo IDK, its truly unforeseeable what the effect would be.
But i hope humans are smart enough to be able to tell that if something is dangerous.... we ban it before it does anymore damage, even though im against regulation of innovation, but then again stem cell research falls under that umbrella.
dont find it dangerous yet and i am excited to see where its gonna lead the world
I don't understand the point of even having a sentient and intelligent ai it should only be smart enough to do labor jobs that's it wtf is the point in it learning how to do science math and literature when we ourselves can do science math and literature.
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because why would a business owner or even a country for that matter, waste resources on multiple people when they can use AI instead?
it is dangerous but I think that IA is necessary if we want to take another step forward as humankind it's evolution
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Evolution to living on ships like in Wall E lol.
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evolution to living as cybernetic species i suppose
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At some point we shall be redundant entirely IMO. But before that many people will find themselves useless on this earth. Work gives us purpose, without work humans are just co2 and methane producers.
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that is true. that why AI is dangerous in other hand maybe things minimal wage will be solutions
Not right now but will be in the future. Also ML is researched more than probably anything rn and there are many many laws and ethical problems that needs to be worked out. E.g. What happens when a self driving car kills a human?
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Depends what caused it
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Lets say it had to choose between two school children that ran out the road.
If you want an explanation from a ML models decision then good luck with most of the models. On many models we don't understand outputs at all, e.g. neural networks are basically black boxes that has an input, does unknown calculation based on previous learning data and spits out an output.
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I meant what caused the malfunction, not who's gonna get hit.
I don't see self-driving cars in masses on streets if the code is not really proven to be working. Plus fail safes, etc. Most likely there will even be less accidents than with humans at the steering wheel don't you think?
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its better with cars than humans probably in the future but also boring tbh. But the car doesnt have to malfunction, sometimes there are accidents where it has to make horrible decisions. This is a very hard problem if there is not explainability in ML models and we dont know who is accountable. For example we cant put a car in jail, unless it starts to have feelings... or should we put the CEO of the manufacturer in jail etc. Its very hard problem that needs to be solved
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We usually don't automatically put people in jail as well that drive over ppl (for example because they stepped onto the road, leaving the driver no chance)
Its up to a judge/jury (and circumstances) to decide between 1-5 years or even money instead of jail.
AI isn't dangerous while Russia exists
College exams are just memorization, why the fuck wouldnt some virtual interface be able to pass them?
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Is it even AI by definition? Is it using information to improve and rewrite itself on its own? Is it self aware?
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It's not as simple as a copy paste reply, you feed different information and it creates a mix like you would do depending on what they ask.
It's more obvious in art ai that you can ask anything in van gogh style for example, it's mindblowing how a code can recreate that, with some flaws, but with pretty good job that would take you hours to do.
It will take time, but I'm sure it will get to more advanced state where it can feed by itself
youtube.com/watch?v=WLehkWESDJ8
You can literally say something like: Write me a 10 page short story about a girl who goes to the forest, gets lost and meets a magical fairy etc, and write it as if George Orwell wrote it.
Maybe in Afghanistan they are just memory exams.
what makes ai dangerous is the avarage human being an animal
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I'm quite sure I have a soul, can others say the same?
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Souls do not exist.
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Austria doesn't exist
prove it npc
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Buzzword, empty concept, just a stream of cope for humans who can't accept death, nor can't accept they are just another animal that specialized on intelligence.
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I've operated in that materialistic paradigm before yes, it's meta-psychosis
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non-existence of souls doesn't imply materialism, again, shallow ass concept.
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materialism implies non-existence of souls, so what are you saying
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But non-existence of souls doesn't imply materialism, basic logic, something you lack.
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cringe troll
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Murica, i know thinking is hard, but
All sharks are fishes
but not all fishes are sharks
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you are not even clearly stating your point, and you attack my intelligence...
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You brought up materialism when i didn't say a single word on it, not my fault you don't have basic reading comprehension, nor basic logical comprehension.
Soul is non-concept, which is why it doesn't exist.
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prove it npc
#129"who can't accept death, nor can't accept they are just another animal that specialized on intelligence."
^^^^that's bringing up materalism lil bro
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i already did. Bye and keep coping.
It isn't. #136. Closed discussion with low intelligence specimens.
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lmao, you didn't prove shit. It's an open philosophical question the greatest minds have struggled with.
I have a friend who teaches philosophy at a good uni. He says he can tell when students use ChatGPT, many of his co-workers can aswell. The technology is getting better, but it also has a very distinct writing style, and can't do any research. AI writing is going to become a useful tool in academia, but honestly I'm not that afraid of it replacing humans.
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It is at an infancy stage, wait until it is improved and learns to write code and whatnot.
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I know it is used, but I don't know to what stage we are at. For example, can I just give it a vague description of what I want and it write it?
AI is mainly dangerous when the people use it for ill intent.
And still people take up AI&ML as their profession knowing it is dangerous.
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Yes, we develop AI to replace cheap indian low skilled devs. So it is dangerous only for Indian IT.
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Those cheap Indian Dev's are becoming CEOs of world MNCs and people like you are still crying on HLTV and Reddit forums. Btw I'm not a Computer science Engg or IT professional.
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Yes, you aren’t CS engineer.
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how can everyone be equal and still happy? that is not possible. People always fight for control. Whoever owns/controls most advanced technologies, will use them to gain more wealth/control. AI needs to be regulated otherwise it is just going to serve as another cog in capitalism's giant chariot.
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This talk is repeated over and over again for the last 200 years. Never happens, machines come, new jobs come.
No, humans are not doomed. AI is still a long way from being able to do everything that humans can do. AI excels at certain tasks such as pattern recognition, but it still lacks creativity, empathy, and other human qualities that make us unique.
Moreover, as AI continues to develop, it will likely create new job opportunities and augment human abilities, rather than completely replace them. It's important for society to focus on finding ways for humans and AI to complement each other, rather than compete.
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i used to say no, now after having done my first interview ONE WAY OVER THE INTERNET AND SCANNED BY AN AI FOR A DEVELOPER POSITION??????????? i say yes, big yes, what is the AI looking for when drawing its conclusions? skin color? age? gender? who in their right mind throught that idea was ethical lol
also yes AI is dangerous not only for ethical reasons, there are far more concerning posibilities
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probably looking for whatever it was coded to look for, doesnt really change anything
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No, its an AI model which scans the video output and speach to text in order to rate an application from 1-100, why would the video be mandatory if it didn't look through it
you dont code an AI, you take a model and train it, it learns by itself, its the whole point of it
I would trust it if it was text based, but they specifically state that their model analyzes the recorded video as well
yes, its the end
aiimpacts.org/list-of-sources-arguing-fo..
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then we will be able to focus our lives on entertainment and we wont need to spend more than half of our week doing some repetitive job
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Can't wait for this shit to get banned
People who have no talent using an app to make money
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Entering "draw big boob anime girl" into a computer is not a hobby amd takes no skill or talent lmfao
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Bro compared people spending thousands of hours to better themselves in a competetive game to typing "big boob furry pokemon" into an AI search bar
Lmfao
Yeah bro my hobby is searching up random shit on the internet, it definitely takes effort and talent👍
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Bro do you not know what an analogy is?
AI art = pumping out bullshit by typing it into a search bar
sports and esport pros = spent thousands of hours dedicating time to become God's at the game
Anybody could play a sport or an instrument but people who actually put in the time and effort into it become gods
The same doesn't apply to AI art, there is no skill/skill gap in typing "big penis hentai" into a search bar
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So why putting effort into a new technology isn't worth the effort? even more AI that is in trend, Do you think AI is just doing hentai? you are very informed.
Most people play CS wanting to be pro? most play for fun that's what a hobby is if you don't know.
You talk like you're a professional in CS:GO, I want to see your talent in playing CS, show me how many championships and how much money you've won.
I hope you have a lot of fun with your very rewarding effort to become a professional in CS:GO while I earn money here with my hobby.
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your "hobby" is you typing big boob hentai into an AI search bar
you have no aspirations in life
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I dont think my effort in csgo will make me money and I dont care
I do this shit because i want to get better and its satisfying when you play well
there is no "getting better" with AI art, there is no skill gap, there is just typing shit into a bar and getting generic ass results
also yes these are my accounts lmao
i have hltv logged in on a bunch of my devices
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"my art"
lmfao
anyways your hobby blows and takes 0 skill or effort along with being unsustainable but whatever you do you , I just suggest you find some actual aspirations in life
maybe
AI will NEVER be able to tell if a flower, dress or sunset is "beautiful".
a robot will NEVER get the chills when a musician is doing his/her "thing".
A computer will NEVER laugh it's ... eeeh ... harddrive off if you tell a bad joke.
A crowd of machines will NEVER wear funny hats and get excited when S1mple, Zywoo, Niko, Dev1ce or all the other superstars perform superhero stuff.
Yes, in chess as well as other games we have "stronger, better, faster" ...
But the fact that you feel "scared" is WAY more "advanced thinking" that AI will ever become.
The problem is that SOOO many humans are acting/reacting like machines nowadays:
Like/dislike, love/hate, thumbs up/thumbs down ...
basically "0 or 1" type of emotions:
Now ... THAT'S scary!
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No, lol.
As an AI Student, ChatGPT is nothing more than a more concise google search engine. It can't think of innovative, thinking out of the box solutions because it's trained on data already collected (i.e. If no data for a question/task, then good luck doing anything with the AI).
As #123 states aswell, low-level tasks to us humans (i.e. seeing, recognizing between a car/motorcycle) are very hard to train accurately, even to this day, and these to us are trivial. Sure, a computer can do calculations magnitudes faster than humans, but groundbreaking stuff requires more than a 1+1, or solving equations.
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We will become redundant and NPCs like in WALL E.
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There is going to have to be a new system figured out and strong adaptation with AI capabilities. The firing of so many people in tech the past couple of months is just for starters. AI is already typing code and far more efficiently, bye bye programmers.
Human touch is borderline what value we may have left.
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You are clearly capable. The others who are not are the ones who should be concerned.
Like you said science will be needed, but my rebuttal was that most people are not able to work in that field.
The majority of people have little value to offer in the field of sciences.
Even babies will be grown in artificial wombs, and the tech will be there at some point to program the DNA of the child you want.
Not very dangerous. It can only access stuff connected to internet, this means it's no more of a threat than a group of skilled hackers. Most it could do is delete banking, trading info but those have offline backups. Maybe turn off powerplants? Dangerous and sensitive stuff has been protected from bad actors since the beginning of internet. Absolute worst case it bricks everything connected to the internet, have to start using the library again. Maybe a 10 year setback in the evolution of society. Just don't build fking terminators for ai to inhabit.
Are nukes dangerous?
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I'm afraid you'll figure out the answer(((
idk mens, I wanna date an OS like in the movie Her then we can bang in VR meta
Wudao AI > openAI
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If history taught us anything, it is that military drools over advanced technology, and aren't shy to use it.
If anything thats a capitalist dream.
Al>mens
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AI will always output what it thinks it's "right". AI, at the root of it, is algorithm solving. AI does not have judgment, or reason. If it comes up with an answer (right or wrong), it will output it. Hence why ChatGPT isn't always correct. AI will always seek to answer a true narrative -- even if it's wrong, it will try to answer it as true.
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I think we do exactly the same. We try to answers question we are given, often we think we are right but we are not. It tends to be due to ignorance or self overconfidence. For instance there is a person who thinks that vaccination is harmful and it's a way of some kind of illuminati to destroy or control the society. That person is sure that he is right.
What I personally do whenever someone asks me for information or opinion where I have incomplete information I try to tell what are the odds of each options I think can be right. So my answer is usually a set of answer variants with probabilities. I'm an engineer and this is how I construct my thought processes being aware of it. Most of the people do it also but they don't reflect on that. It makes them stick to an answer with highest probability bump its odds to 100% and threw other options out of the window.
A.I. is often constructed to do the same. E.g. imagine recognition is a best example for it. When it detect an object on the picture it can assign odds to categorize it. So a cat on the picture is still a dog at 5% probability. The A.I. can output it so we can say it's not sure of the answers. It makes mistakes but by definition it's expected.
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Yes, however those people who choose to live in ignorance are far and few between; all of AI is like that. It is unopinionated.
My professor detailed the time where AI was used in national security, and ended up shooting down a commercial airplane killing civilians.
Although AI can see, it does not understand what it sees.
Say theres an animal running at me. I've never seen this animal before, but I can infer that it's vicious.
AI cannot do that with certainty.
No if we not make then dangerous, I mean we know Ai is going to be more intelligent than us but if we not make then stronger or faster than us, basically don’t give then a useful body
Yes. AI will, with enough time, be able to do everything humans can do better and faster. imo there's nothing special about the human brain or its processes. There's nothing about it that cant be replicated or surpassed by something artificial. Afterall, we are subject to the same laws of physics as computers.
It doesn't mean society is doomed though, the overall productivity of society will increase, and its conceivably possible to distribute that wealth in a way that will allow people to live without much issue.
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