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in 30 years there will be no need for bookkeepers, video editors, graphic designers, programmers, architects, drivers, analysts, sellers etc
What are the jobs AI cant replace? I think it maybe all kind of construction working
Doctors and nurses
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You can replace parts of it, procedures can be taken over sure. But there is more to it then taking over a surgery.
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My point was that medical staff do more than just surgery and patching up.
I dont know any doctors here that only studied online though lol
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F mens((
Come to the Netherlands :)
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Life is full of surprises. You never know :)
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Okay sorry :(
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buy house for decent price where?
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Zeeland + sugar momma
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I live in zeeland right now i have to go 12 km to school on my bike with headwind.
Will have to go to Eindhoven next school year so find sugar momma where?
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Wind makes us strong!
Maybe Eindhoven has more, keep your eyes open))
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im very strong but also kinda annoying when running late.
where are the sugar momma hotspots in Eindhoven.
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Idk I live in Zeeland mens
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Zeeland one of the worst places to live in Netherlands. Brabant much better
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Wtf not at all! Imagine being from Limburg for example.
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Limburg is not that good but maybe the same as Zeeland.
Limburgs very sexy accent in my opinion tho
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Okay you lost me, no way is their accent sexy!
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Have you heard a girl/woman from Limburg talk? Of course it has variations but when she already has cute voice and the right variation it is as we would say in Dutch
'De kers op de taart'
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Yeah heard both men and women talk from there. Definitely doesn't do it for me :')
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I guess it's just another case of
What zero pussy does to a mf
(me being the mf ofc)
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Ahaha I mean, maybe?
Chin up though, are you going to Eindhoven for your studies? Good times ahead (mostly).
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Yes I'm going to Eindhoven for studies. My chin is always up. But what do you mean with good times ahead?
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They say it's the best time of your life. I wouldn't know btw.
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I don't believe them necesarilly. Why wouldn't you know?
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I guess you'll see :D
Mine wasn't that eventful, was able to do my studies while staying home and dealt with some shit back then.
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What did you study?
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Nursing :)
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That's cool! Are you a nurse now? I could never study something like that tbh. The boxes are getting really tall now.
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Yeah I have been for 5 years now :) What are you going to study?
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Automotive technology.
At least I hope so, still have to get accepted but I think it will be fine
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Nice, best of luck mens))
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You heard it from movie called new kids?
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friends?!
I don't believe you how can hltv mens have friends
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intersting
Same here. It had been in sort of testing for a few years and then under covid it really became a thing, works well but it is not for everyone as some prefer the personal meet.
Not being sceptical, but robot built by online studying engineers coded by online studied coder
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The doctor has some special tools, but at times also seem rather distracted.
As a future doctor, even during covid we still had to attend stuff that involved practice on human body + all exams were in class
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I disagree. Human touch is important for nurses.
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If i am in bed all day, i don't want to just be prodded by a robot and not get a smile or the odd chat and whatnot.
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Depending on where you are in the hospital there can be times where the only time you will be visited is to be given food or medicine and that is pretty much all that will happen.
I would prefer hospitals to be as efficient as possible especially considering the state of the NHS, bloat isn't only bad for the tax payer it's bad for the patient as it means less money being spend on care more money being spent on people that don't need to be there.
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Yes, I think that is fair assessment, I agree it is circumstantial. I collaborate with the NHS at times, it is a mess, underfunded, understaffed and inefficient.
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humans perform surgeries using robots. It is just an advanced tool to assist the surgeon with, often, minimally invasive procedures.
General doctors that diagnose illnesses will be one of the first jobs to go.
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Nah not at all. If anything in the medical field would be going the first would be surgeons.
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You can already ask AI to diagnose illnesses if you type symptoms. Combine that with image recognition software or video and then supply it with the knowledge database of the world's health orgs and boom, no need for GPs.
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Extreme cases of misdiagnoses. I'd say try to make it happen and see :D
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Obviously a specialist would confirm that following the referral from the computer.
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You lose the initial 'human' factor that a lot of people seek. They've already tried things out with robots etc and it makes people even more wary and less likely to seek out medical help.
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People will accept anything when it comes to it, have you not been paying attention these past few years?
Simplest possibility is that it'll be more cost effective, funding 'won't be available' to continue services as is and the choice will be given between diminished services or AI services. People will beg for it.
The last to go will be surgeons and procedural based specialties. AI will be good at the intellectual part of medicine, but physical interaction such as drinking from a cup, writing etc is still a huge challenge.
Just look at Boston Dynamics. No way those bots are going to be operating a Da Vinci any time soon
I dont think so. Know why? Because of the difference between us all. Height, gender, comorbidity, organ size, organ position. How you would programm all that? Robots need patterns and consistency. Humans dont have either. Even response to drugs is very subjective.
So diagnosis can be automatized, but not treatment. Especially surgery.
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That is so easy to program. But for diagnostics to made better by AI there would need to be comprehensive testing.
That's like the easiest thing to tell a computer
You mean a multimillion dollar equipment is going to change my diapers when I'm old and start to shit myself?
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There are already surgeries completely made by robots. Would have to look for source tho
Nah they are finished also
Lol ChatGPT has already passed the USMLE ( US medical licensing exam)... Although the bot only did 100 questions (the exam is usually around 320 questions)
For many years people have been talking about AI replacing radiology and pathology, but its still very elementary at this stage. From what I understand, the main bottleneck is the image datasets for which to train AI on.
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Yes because that's all that's needed to become medical staff of course ;)
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Okay I'll wait till it's able to do what I do 👍
Nt with programmers
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They got AI already writing code. Just describe what you want.
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a self learning AI is always prone to make mistakes, that's exactly why you're always going to need a human to at least check the code, and that's something that takes expertise in code.
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you could say the same about humans
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I mean, yeah, but a human always writes code with a purpose. You can pretty clearly see where it's going with it and help them fix it and not make that mistake again.
It's much different, and harder, with AI.
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and an ai cant learn from its mistakes or write code with a purpose?
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Yeah. AI generally just meshes code together. You can teach it how to not do it again, but you can't make it learn
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AI generally just meshes code together *now*
but you can argue nlp models we have now are just meshing words and phrases together, but nonetheless it is getting quite convincing
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Okay? It still cannot learn, even machine "learning" is just telling the AI "you cant do that" or "you should have a bias towards doing this".
It cant learn if we don't direct it properly, and for that we need programmers.
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Wow, you really don't know anything about AI.
You also don't know anything about humans. How did you learn something as a kid? You were told "you can't do that", etc... Memory, failure, solution. What you learn in a lifetime, a computer can learn in an hour. Probably less. In 10 years, it's more like what 1 million people learned in a lifetime, a computer learned in a few minutes.
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Yes currently in its infancy stage. Give it a couple of decades. Just over a decade ago we got our first smart phone.
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Maybe, time shall tell. Also I think salesman job is going, except for high end, so that is already on its way out.
U need humans to program the AI, AI can't program it self
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It will come to humans giving verbal commands to AI on what to program. Not requiring a programmer. Nice try though.
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Cya in 5 years. Then we will see
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We may have a better picture of where it is heading in 5 years, may take 10, 20 to get to the level I am aspiring to. Time will tell as you say, but I wouldn't want to put all my chips into a field that may soon become 'mostly' redundant. Everyone can make their own decisions.
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writing essays =/= programming itself and others
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Tell me how can an AI program itself without the help of a human?
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This guy is talking about writing english essays for school. That says enough about his knowledge in this field XD
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You really don't understand the point huh, kiddo? I clearly just wrote that ChatGPT is some amateur shit. It's like someone building a table in their garage.
Meanwhile the biggest tech companies have been developing sofisticated AI in secrecy. For fun? Go fucking figure. To make money...
Are you actually retarded my friend? Genuine question.
Without the help of a human... facepalm. Why would it be without the help of a human?
AI is like any fucking tool we have created. It replaces manual work. Literally anything I can think of, have in some way been automated to make it more efficient.
Automation is generally not a bad thing. Only for a few people not willing to accept it. They fear for their future job.
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"Without the help of a human... facepalm. Why would it be without the help of a human?"
In this thread he says that AI can replace programmers, BUT HOW CAN IT REPLACE PROGRAMMERS WHEN AI CANT DO SHIT WITHOUT PROGRAMMERS.
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So basically what's the difference? It's the tool now and will be a tool if it needs supervisor. It can change the workflow for devs, but not overtake their jobs. Planes technically don't need pilots to take-off, fly and land for over 3 decades now, yet still there's a crew inside that does some parts of flying.
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You don't need 10 guys with screwdriver anymore, they got replaced by one guy with a power drill. Power drill needs an operator, but it doesn't need 10. It's a cheap metaphor, but you get the gist.
That being said, the industry can just grow and nobody loses their job. Obviously there is some kind of limit somewhere to that as well
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Holy fuck an actual smart person on HLTV.
Regarding your last point, we are nearing a point where growth will stagnate. The population will plateau. Quite interesting, I always thought the population would keep increasing indefinitely.
And if we don't get some kind of UBI, the industries will run out of consumers, and growth will completely stop. The money in the entire system has to keep flowing, even when 80% of us gets replaced.
Programers will be needed to constantly update the machines. I don't know what kind of robots you think will exist but they won't be that advanced as you see in the movies.
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Sure, but you realise that would most likely be a small population of programmers compared to what is required now?
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Yes, programmers is just an example. This can be applied to numerous other fields, which is why it is a big concern. Humans becoming redundant, like I said elsewhere, we could become like the humans in Wall E lol.
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I can't confirm how accurate it is, but apparently AI can write half way decent (give it more time) scripts for movies and stories now.
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True. There will be a period of adjustment, it wont happen overnight, so I think it is fine either way.
I just feel for the people who put so much time, and brain power into something like learning a tough programming language (it is all alien to me) for it to become a dead language like Latin.
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Yes absolutely. At some point the AI would be streamlined so well that it wouldn't take much to know what to say.
buisnessmens and DJs)))))
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not really, depends on the laws of construction and security
Im pretty sure ai generated buildings would not be safe and well thinked
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ok man
dont talk about intelligence with ai please
its literally the dumbest with ever, if you dont implement it, it will never be able to do it
talk about knowledge or data but not intelligence ( the name itself is ridiculous : ai )
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It could mean something simple, like not needing engineers to calculate structure loads, etc. Obviously this has nothing to do with an architect, it was just first thing to come to mind. There are some things that will be done with the aid of AI and it could mean you need 2 architects instead of 4
ai 100% can
stopped reading at programmers
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i mean it wont substitute them totally, but most of jobs there are today will be replacable
so a lot of people would lose their jobs
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Programmers are more likely to be automated at some point than testers. In future, when Mr. Moneybags can give AI the specs of what he wants the application to do, you will still need someone to verify that A) He gave correct specs B) AI understood those specs correctly C) AI did not make mistakes with edge-cases, which are most likely because D) were the specs complete enough to cover all possible scenarios? For example, my last specs from Mr. Businessman were "Would be nice if it had a button there that did a thing". At this point, AI would probably lose faith in humanity and delete it self.
But I don't think even programmers will be replaces, sure there will be less need for bad ones since good ones can do shit faster, but also we are still highly in process of digitalisation everywhere, and more and more things will move from pen and paper to digital, so no need to fear for job anytime soon.
IMO only a small fracture of all programmers can/will be impacted by this (at least in the next 30 years) and most of that would come from the fact that some companies would push programmers to work faster with the assistance of AI.
+ you are clearly ignoring the number of programming jobs that such AI industry that is capable of taking over all the jobs you mentioned would create.
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Ah, I see that you are absolutely clueless about this topic.
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You really live in denial huh? Did you just become a programmer?
Lots of programmers are just code bitches, that write whatever code their team leader asks for. When the team leader in 10 years can just have an AI fill out that demand, why even bother paying a human?
If a team of 50 skilled programmers in a week can look through and verify the same amount of code as 100 skilled programmers can create in the same week... Go figure dude. It's really a low IQ take to believe this won't happen - when it's already happening.
At least you won't be hit as hard as truck drivers. In a not so distant future, pretty much 80-90% of all truck drivers will be gone. It will be automated driving on highways, and then most likely humans transporting from big highway dropoff points into the cities. And all driving on highways will be done by 24/7 self-driving trucks. It's so insanely more efficient and safe than humans.
Wake up, it's a brand new world. And cross your fingers that we will get UBI. AI will either free us all, or make the rich even richer.
AI already writes code
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Who writes AI?
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Only a matter of time until AI is used to improve it's own code.
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Can AI write AI?????
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Yes. I think he can clone himself. But can't upgrade.
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No it just c+p from github and etc
It can't code something that never existed before
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pro athletes
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Streamers. Lol
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hahaha. Do people watch that stuff?
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yeah, it usually gets like 1k+ average afaik twitch.tv/vedal987 , it is not really that much interesting imo it basically goes like this:
>*ai plays osu!/minecraft/pokemon*
>*viewer writes a question*
>*ai answers*
repeat for the whole stream
also recently unbanned, probably related to questioning the existence of holocaust twitter.com/A_Guster_Buster/status/16082..
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cyber gamers
hackers.
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nah, there are sex robots already
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robot will always be a robot tho
good point
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Such a sexy beast
AI can't replace programmers. Sure you can tell ChatGPT to code something for you, which is great. But programmers will need to develop the AI and constantly make it better and so on. But yeah a lot of programming jobs that we see today could get replaced, but then programmers can just move to more advanced subjects
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What is more asvanced rocketgramming spacegramming?
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Thing is, an AI will always make mistakes. It either tries to make a mold out of publicly available sources (in the case of AI art for example) or generates messes that don't really have much thought or memory, leading to often inefficient or even non functional code.
It can't really create something that's its own, for example an improvement to its own code, because if one existed, some would've already made it (presumably).
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AI is a word that has many meanings. We call things AI that we consider AI at this point in time.
Currently, that's not what AI is and that's not what AI is capable of.
If AI is not what I describe, then AI doesn't exist yet.
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Programmers will most likely just end up troubleshooting all the code the A.I has written
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was thinking about this because im studying law too but consultancy jobs will definitely become obscure because u can literally just ask for law advice from an ai instead of a person which is what the largest firms are designed to do xd. Maybe if you are studying criminal law a person would appeal more to a jury than an ai but I was thinking if ai becomes advanced enough it could probably replace criminal lawyers at some point too depending on how realistic it becomes because it will be understood as more accurate than a person can be about law
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Requires too much logical thinking for AI, good choice
AI will takeover
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AI could very likely replace them, but they absolutely shouldn't: teachers.
AI might know everything but the different kids and their needs, also the interpersonal relationship between teacher and pupil are so important, AI would do a very bad job.
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U are definitely right
Sad that u could argue that AI would be a better than some antisocial teachers
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ai will get rid of a lot of the busy work for art related stuff but i dont see ai being able to mimic human creativity to the point of creating new trends without being told
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not possible yet, if we get to the point of ai where its sentient then i believe it could, at that point thered be little difference between an ai and a human
That logic only works if you think humans do not t operate like this. But we do. Even the craziest breakthroughs were always preceded by someone else. Once I saw a youtube series called "evolution of FPS". It had nothing but 5 seconds from every game in chronological order. I wish I could unsee it, cause it showcases our overall dumbness like nothing else.
Hey so nothing new today haha...Hollywood is a f'ing joke. Just reboots and broken sequels.
That is fine, but that still leaves the vast majority of people in that field redundant.
Maybe so, but only a small portion of the world do that today. What will the rest do?
most service jobs. cuz it needs emotional support and a robot can't give that. robot mayb can be a barkeeper but he can never therapy and entertain a guest drinking and feeling bad at 4 am
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at some point it would be possible to make a literal barkeeper robot from movie the passengers who could entertain, keep conversation, therapy etc xD (there are already ais that can speak, and think almost like a human), think is a bad word, but it knows what its talking about, and understands what you say, ask, when youre joking, etc
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but it will never be the same.
Ah yes, we have to be thinking about the 4am drunks.
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bro AI is 100x more likely to replace lawyers than video editors
lawyer is super easy to replace and for good measure, no more corrupt pieces of shit just pure unbiased justice
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It's way easier to to replace lawyer by ai than programming/designing. It's pretty simple, because np all it has to do is simply memorize country's law do complex if else for your case and return the outcome answer of your query.
So anything static and repetitive stuff is way easier to replace than dynamic stuff. We have planes that can fly automatically from take-off to landing for decades now while automotive is just starting
Laws are written in a way that 1 law can be interpreted in many ways. You would need to change too many laws for that to work. NO legal system is perfect. LAW is not unbiased justice and shouldnt be.
As a marketing specialist, I can tell you that they already can prepare a brief with estimated costs and strategy. The point with ai is that we're discussing the current process and availability, but in the next 2 decades the whole system will be different than we think it will be.
psychologists maybe, unless technology can understand the human mind
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+1 XDD
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Maintenance workers, plumblers, electricians, painters, construction workers, heavy equipment operators, drivers(will 100% still be relevant at least 100more years), many many more
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most of these you just mentioned will 100% be replaced by AI in the future lol
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On the contrary, robots will not be cost efficient for a long time. Everything done with a computer will be assisted or replaced with Ai first, both of these mean someone loses a job
entertainment & culture, sure AI will be capable of creating things or assist you in these domains but the human element will always be preferred.
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also psychology/therapy, I think the level of trust for an AI with your feelings and deepest thoughts wont be mainstream and the human touch will prevail.
As a graphic designer, I can tell you with confidence. We will not be replaced easily.
Humans like buying "art" from humans.
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u already replaced
I Don't buy "art" from humans. I play a video games which have icons for stuff, logos and other stuff drawn just for props, like a chair, etc. All of this can pretty soon be done with an AI and it will mean that less artists are needed.
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That's because you're not a business owner trying to sell their products or services to a niche market. Sorry you don't understand beyond your own experience of gaming.
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That still means lots of venues that are available to graphic designers will be lost to AI. From gaming to advertisement business lots of icons, logos etc aren't sought after for their artistic value. It is not a niche market, if anything buying ''art'' from humans is a niche market compared to what he is talking about.
I don't think you understand my concept. It doesn't matter what the AI replaces in the field of graphics design. All that matters, is that it takes a job or makes it more effecient and designers will eventually start to lose jobs. I'm not a professional in the field, but I bet we have barely scraped the surface of what AI can do for example with art.
We used to drive horses everywhere, groomers and such were needed. Well, today there still are some, doesn't mean 99% of "horse industry" didn't lose their jobs. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter if one nieche corner survives.
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I only said we won't be replaced easily, not that all graphic designers will be in a job forever
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I think you used know broad terms, but this statement is reasonable
A lot of simple props and environments etc. can be visualized by AI, but for complex design like weapons, cars etc where there needs to be certain specifications met, someone will still have to create and model it. I think it's going to be at least 5-6 years before AI can start doing things like that.
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I have no clue about the time frame of these things. 5-6 years would be worrying for me if I was am artist.
Machine learning engineers, probably?
Software engineers too?
Actually, most kinds of engineers (in IT). The only thing the AI has the capacity to replace in the IT sector are "self-made" programmers who do basic coding and do not have the background to design software, embedded systems, or anything, really.
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Not really bro. You won't be able to tell a bot "create facebook 2" and have it done for you anytime soon.
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I'm absolutely not saying that it's simple, I'm just saying that with the current pace at which AI develops it's skills, it will be eventually able to do that. It wouldn't require a computer the size of a skyscraper, it would just require good cloud service and internet connection :) and I think it will happen much faster than we will think. For now, AI is pretty shit at coding, sure. But after 10 or 20 years of learning it will be better than any human on earth, because it can learn much, much effectively, and has access to all of internet at once.
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I think it won't be able to code big things. Probably just little programs but apps as big as facebook are just too complex for AI to process. And if they made an AI that can do it, it would still require enormous amount of supercomputers for so long that even Elon Musk does not have the money for it.
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You misunderstand. AI is *already* capable of coding up the source code of a desktop application for you (more accurately, learning how). However, offering such an AI as a service to more than a few companies globally is computationally impossible and certainly no such service will exist for regular people within our lifetimes.
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Google translate isn't able to detect the correct language from which it should translate 17 years after launch and you tell me AI will basically send us to Mars. People don't realize how much time will need to pass to get rid of a a good part of programmers. I've seen a guy say 10 years ago that in 10 years same thing will happen.
As AdaptWasTaken it will probably replace some small programmers that were doing basic online shops and stuff like that, but to think you could replace bigger, more complex apps won't be possible in just 30 years
The only stuff that probably will be replaced in like 10years in my opinion are things with strict rules. I would say SEO developers, some landing pages could be easily generated, maybe accessibility optimization, some manual/automation tests.
AI might change the approach of dev working, maybe in ten years it might render really good blocks of code you need to implement that might speed up your job. Replacing programmes so fast for sure won't happen.
Especially when we take into consideration how fast languages and frameworks dies and get replaced by the new ones.
If you think normal people (not taking americans and billionaires dickriders in consideration) will give their life in the hands of AI you're dead wrong
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But if people are not interested in it, it's going to be a disaster for loads of major corporations.
I think that France would sooner disappear as a nation from this planet that would people go quietly into the starnet imposed night.
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I said that governments would topple and fall sooner than would people just accept that they are out of a job because of AI. Even if it means going to the dark ages. And I support that state of affairs.
And a Terminator reference.
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Except why would anyone sell us a computer to do our work, they would do much better by providing the computer to our employer as we would only be an expense.
Better hope you have a job that can't be replaced or live in a society where the state makes sure everyone gets enough to live, even if they perform no function production wise and only "work" as a customer.
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but if we dont have any money as humans, and we dont produce anything as individuals as income for ourselfs how can they benefit from their AI? literally nobody would have money to buy anything from them therefore making their AI systems useless, do u actually think the 10-15% of population left with a job after AI will takeover will compensate for the rest of 80-85% who will not be able to afford anything?
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Big questions and some we need to find an answer for.
In a way it is nothing new, when mechanization became a thing lots of people working in farming had to find work in the factories (which one could argue was lucky they came to be). Similarly the move from doing everything by hand and on paper has shifted a lot of jobs, like back in time being an accountant meant doing lots of calculations, engineers where supported by people doing technical drawings by hand ans so on - all jobs where computers took over to a large degree.
The big question is if what is coming will be so revolutionary, that there won't be new jobs to replace the ones that disappears - personally I am not so sure.
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Any jobs that require human interaction, anything psychology related, judges for examples and a lot more interaction based jobs that AI can't replicate due to the lack of human emotions and morals.
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I bet AI can make more "consistent" moral decision, than any single human can. After all, morals are just something we are taught
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Morals goes into the human condition and our emotions, not something Ai can replicate or really understand
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Emotions are not really relevant when it comes to judges, in fact they are required to be impartial - lots of routine cases can be handled by computers.
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read this source on the matter newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/c..
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Note that I wrote about routine cases, not all cases.
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Okey fair
If we are talking about the digital space, AI can replace any job. But if we are talking about the physical world, it will take some time for an AI to get a physical, human-like form. So we still need a lot of manpower for physical jobs like health care, construction, sales, etc.
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When you think about it realistically, it works opposite. The more repetitive and predictable job, the higher chances are to build and program the machine for that occupation.
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Except the cost of making the machine rarely outweighs human labor. Basically at the moment the scale has to be massive. Though this could be changed overnight by some other discovery
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Physical jobs are really hard to replace by an overnight discovery. You need to design the physical machines for the specific jobs, massive amount of machines and another massive amount of industrial complexes to build and maintain those machines. Also, you will encounter a lot of ethical and political criticism about machines replacing humans. That's why digital jobs are way easier to replace by an AI. Yet still, it will take at least 5–10 years to replace 50% of virtual space jobs because of politics and the human factor.
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I'm talking about inventions that fast track all of technology. I mean if humankind invents for example a small, cheap and powerful enough power source, one that could power, let's say a car for its life time, everything changes overnight. I'm pretty sure bureaucracy just bends when there is real money involved. This is just pure speculation though
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What the fuck are you even talking about dude. Do you realize how expensive it would be to make ONE robot to clean a house/toilet etc? And that robot is limited to ONE house every 1 hour or something.
And ONE insane AI, specifically for improving code, writing new code, coming up with clever solutions etc, could save Microsoft maybe half their programmers.
Do you think it's a joke that Microsoft, Google and Meta just fired thousands of employees?
Not all programmers are the same. Most programmers are in fact more like digital craftsmen and not creative genius that make important programs, so just like in lots of other functions many will be redundant. Either general programs letting user "program" by using smart wizard functions, or software solutions that are more flexible than as of old so less need for tailored programs.
Note I haven't suggested all programmers will be replaced, but lots will just as lots have already been replaced ever since we got high level programming languages - it is only due to the wider use of IT the actual number of programmers haven't gone down.
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Yes, they are statistical models that learn from existing work.
Creative art will never get replaced. In fact, even if you have sci-fi levels of AI, it won't, it will simply increase competition.
everything can be replaced with sufficient technology
Literally nothing LMAO
intercontinental sea transport
Philosophy, Theoretical science.
Programmers? lol, programmers are the ones who will thrive the most. Do you think the AI is a sentient artificial being?
By the time programmers are replaced, we will already be ruled by skynet.
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You can't see "programmers" as one homogeneous mass of people.
Lots of programming isn't that complex or creative, that type of programming is gonna be done by computer and in fact lots of what used to be programming is already gone.
Like say you want to make a program meant to let you search a database, using the right tools that is done in minutes now - not to many years ago you had to construct the user interface, program the data access routines and create a way to install the program you created.
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Because someone coded the better code, and people use the better code
There will be a code for AI to do programming things, who oversees this code? The programmer.
Programmers will only be gone when AI is fully self-sufficient, a true AI, again, this is Sci-fi territory already.
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Yes, there will be still be programmers - however much fewer will be needed than we have now. And the same goes for all other IT related jobs.
Also as using the better code, that really depends - in lots of cases it is more efficient to just use better hardware than optimize code. You can buy a good deal of gear for a couple of months of programmer pay, it is being done all over.
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But this is true for all jobs since the invention of any machine. The amount of people laying bricks reduced because there are machines that do it faster and better. But there is still the job of the people that makes the machines, oversees it, and repairs it.
We are fearmongering "everybody will be unemployed" for 200 years already, but as new machines are created and take over the jobs, new jobs are created.
Every single job that can be replaced will be replaced with time by sufficiently advanced machines.
However, AI can't replace programmers because programmers need to code the ai, debug it, all sorts of stuff.
Programmers will only be gone when the AI is basically an artificial human, not a code.
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You're over simplifying.
Yes, there will be a need for programmers and the same will be true for the most specialized jobs of all sorts. However there won't be a need for nearly as many programmers as is needed now.
The technical revolutions we have had so far has not hit as broad as what is coming, when mechanization became a thing it did not touch the service trades much, when computers became a thing they mostly let people in administration and the like do more tasks and service levels went up - this time however AI and robots will impact almost anything.
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Bullshit, technological revolutions destroyed full industries with time, and destroyed millions of jobs in the process.
Just think how many people are needed to build houses today vs 300 years ago.
The animating industry employed a fuckton of people to draw the stuff to be animated, they all lost their jobs with time. Specialized people for technical drawing died with the invention of drawing programs that anybody can use.
The sole fact that we are writing stuff in a digital forum is also on that back of unemployment. Previously everything written would have to go into paper, and then copied and then distributed. Think about the amount of people that exist in the world and you have it. Again, fearmongering.
You're the one over simplifying things, not seeing beyond "robots will take jobs".
There won't be programmers needed to do repetitive filtering stuff, but there will for debugging, creative coding of new AIs, improvement of AIs. All that requires substantial amount of people. The number of programmers will INCREASE as the AIs are going to hit all sorts of areas. You will need a programmers regularly on hospitals.
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You missed my point. In past tech revolutions, nothing close to all sectors was hit at the same time. The AI/Robot revolution is hitting lots of jobs in almost all sectors, which means we will have a much harder time adjusting.
As for needing programmers everywhere, then no not really - as more and more automation is implemented fewer programmers will be able to do more, just like for example less and less technicians are needed because servers require less maintenance and monitoring is more advanced.
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AI won't hit all the sectors at the same time, lol. Its a steady process.
But who implements the automation, ghosts? For each automation created to save time and increase efficiency, there is someone coding said automation, and debugging it. Every automation created requires a software. Multiple programmers will specialize on doing different AIs for different areas, just like there are different technicians to different areas.
Say you use python, and there is a function there that runs a basic "for" loop. Do you think they just create it and nobody looks into it anymore? No, the devs will keep track of all the functions that were created for automation. Test it, and update it for new versions.
In any case, your assertion is simply incoherent with reality. The expansion of AI is creating more jobs in programming, not decreasing it.
Did you ever buy a complex machine? You'll see that EVERY single one of them have technical support, and those guys release manuals, improvements, white papers. all sorts of stuff. You can even call them if some shit happens.
New machines -> new jobs.
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For sure new machines equal new jobs, but every new machine either offers something completely new or it does existing jobs better (=cheaper/faster/..., at least one of those things). Often a new machine is also easier to use, which with IT means it requires lees insight or less work to setup.
Like servers - it used to be that one machine = one server. Now there is vitalization, it makes many things easier so one technician can run many more servers. Similar things with programming, there are better libraries to use, better tools for debugging, version control and so on = one programmer gets more done.
Now comes AI and it helps running servers, doing testing, optimizing code... it takes away a lot of the trivial work, however that also means some of the more trivial coding jobs is now going away.
It would be nice if you're right, but from what I see we are moving towards it not being the case.
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BUT WHO MAKES THE MACHINES? GHOSTS?
Its OBVIOUS that automation increases efficiency on the TARGET AUDIENCE, but it creates a whole new job category for the people that actively CREATES the machines.
When computation arrived, one engineer started doing the job of 5, 4 jobs were lost, but more were created on the side of the people that DEAL WITH COMPUTATION, that MAKE THE PROGRAMS THAT THE ENGINEERS USE.
These codes that do trivial stuff will erase trivial programming but raise the non-trivial programming. As the guys who CODE THE AI will be required to improve it, debug it, and create new ones.
The AI that generates digital imagery will require some expertise, the one that does medical diagnosis another, the one that deals with marketing, another. So on, and so forth.
The programming jobs will increase, as they are, now. This is just reality.
Where are all the horsemen after the invention of automobile then? Agree on the fearmongering part, but IMO it's not as prevalent as you make it out to be. Like in my anecdote about horsemen, sometimes the problem is real
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But I never said that jobs don't disappear, they do, and I explicitly said it in #282 .
What I said is that as old jobs are created, new appear. Horsemen don't exist anymore, but truck drivers and drivers do. Do you think it's a problem we no longer have horsemen? Lol.
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I don't have a problem with any profession going extinct, it was just an anecdote to prove a point
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But what point, one that i didn't make?
Look at all these junior developers malding at you for attacking their sacred profession
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lol? in the future you'll generate porn using a prompt with the bonus to deep fake any girl/actress
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"future"
in a few months
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I mean, with pictures this is possible rn just by turning off the security filters from the openAI but videos are more complex and demanding for the avg user
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There has already been lots of construction replaced by work done in factories, thus making construction more and more about putting pre-made blocks together. And then there is the smart machines:
youtube.com/watch?v=6s17IAj-XpU (Note this video is from 2017)
Eventually the only thing remaining will be creative jobs, and not because AI doesn't do it better, but because we enjoy doing it, and it's not necessary work
Though for quite a while the human side of jobs will still be necessary, policemen calming down victims and criminals, doctors and nurses putting patients at ease, psychologists talking to you like you're a person and knowing what you need as an individual. I don't think those will be replicable by AI in the next 10/20 years, maybe in 30, but we'll see.
scientists and research
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how exactly (in technical terms) would you make an AI "sentient" without scientists and research?
Dude, back to reality. Current AI is far from sentient, and to even become sentient, it will require a whole new class of AI, because the current one is just a code with math.
You would need a full world class team of multiple scientists and engineers only to create a true sentient self-sufficient AND cheap intelligence. At this point we're in sci fi territory already.
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Highly doubtful. Maybe a few very specialized ones.
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Fully, perhaps not.
But lots of jobs in that sector has already disappeared and more will follow. So many people get by with just the automatic translation available through google and the like, as tech improves that number will only go up.
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100%
I see people using google translate to make translations of their medical journal for traveling, not exactly clever and putting far to much trust in tech.
But that is what has been happening and will continue to do so, just like in lots of other fields the work of specialists is replaced by computers and often pretty crappy work - but it is cheap.
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athletes in the olympics
Not many jobs if we presume that robots are also improved a lot.
The more irregular and rare a job is, the harder it will be for AI and robots. That leaves the more creative jobs in all fields be it landscaping, cooking, engineering... and also those where we decide we don't like machines doing them - could be say priests, therapists and so. Also politicians, some law enforcement and so.
Conclusion. Start sawing for retirement now if you haven't already and/or plan for doing something creative people like.
in person prostitution will still pay pretty well I'd imagine
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once you have sex you'll learn that there is no substitute for the real thing.
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+1 :) even a small piece of rubber ruins the party haha
Any job where sense and emotions in any way plays a big part will not be replaced
Logisticians, programmers, doctors
Everything can be replaced by AI
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I guess we'll see
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When we see it, we will be at one of those sci-fi movies.
professional athletes, also I think there will still be a demand for video editors and graphic designers. Don't gte me wrong people will totally use AI's for that stuff, but I think there will be a lot of people who see it in a similar way to AI art and still hire people to create stuff for them.
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Almost no job will be directly replaced by AI for a simple reason: its just not worth it.
If you are a complete brainlet (like most people) you still believe that technology will at some point create utopia where no one has to work. In the 60s they already told people that "in 50 years there will be no more manual labor, it will be all robots". Nothing of this became true, it was actually the complete opposite: The highly skilled labourers had the most part of their work transferred to machines, to the point where you work for the machine and not the other way. Meanwhile people still work in mines, still weld metal (even if they just press buttons on a CNC machine), still sweep roads and so on. For every new technology that is created, it results in very few good jobs (highly skilled labourer like engineer/programmer) and 100 low-end jobs like delivery driver. Technology will never ever replace humans as long as humans are cheaper than technology which will always be the case. Why would you ever use drones to deliver pizza if there are thousands of people available that work for 5$/hour?
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That maybe true in other parts of the world. We are forced to invest in automation, also because of the demographic change.
Finally someone with a brain.
In fact, the motto "we will be replaced by machines" exists since the peak of the industrial revolution. 200 years ago, hows it going?
As more advanced machines are created, people that need to deal with said advanced machines arise. AIs going into medicine, digital design, all that bullshit will require programmers to set them up, debug it, improve it. It will just shift the labor market elsewhere.
The only scenario where people are actually replaced is sci-fi literal truly thinking synthetic humans exist and can be mass produced cheaply enough to do whatever task humans can do. Skynet takes over humanity, oh no!!!!
People just don't realize how many jobs were "destroyed" in the last century, yet we are still here, with a bigger population, and no unemployment problem related to automation.
wtf are you talking about kid? its not about money , any company tries to complete full-automated manufacture , people is not as effective as machines and youre comparing couriers with manufacturing lmao , ofc big companies want to get rid of people who work 1-2 months 8 hours 5 day a week then leave with 24/7 machines that would never leave company and is 4x times effective , in 5 years there would be protected delivery systems or smth like this not "flying drones"
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Yes, of course you are right about every company ___wanting___ that but why don't they do it? Because it would cost so much that its not worth it. We already have the technology to fully automate most jobs but its so unprofitable hat nobody does it and additionally it doesnt replace work, it just shifts it.
Lets say you have a machine that bends metal in a certain shape vs humans doing it.
You have the upside of:
- machine doesnt get sick or tired
and the downsides of:
- machine costs more than 100 yearly wages to buy
- machine needs energy and upkeep
- if machine breaks you have to pay highly skilled labourer to fix it, if cheap labourer breaks just get another one for same cost
- to operate machine you need additional training/labour
- the machine can only bend metal while worker can also make coffee
So a machine will never replace humans unless it can do something that a human can't for example manufacturing microchips. In that case it doesn't replace anything, it does something new.
serial killer
Electronics Engineer / Designer related jobs ?
AI can't replace being a JamYoung fan
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i would be in ukraine earning one if there wasnt
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priests
AI can't replace DJ 32k/month
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There are studies about which jobs are harder to replace. I think physicist was the hardest if I remember correctly
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Any job involving theoretical science will be hard or impossible to replace with the current foundation that AIs are build upon (Learning based on already-existing data). Only when AI is actually capable of thinking, you will have replacement of scientists.
True
any job connected to law and politics
You sound like people 50 years saying we would have flying cars by now.
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In 30 years, everybody will be unemployed because machines will do every job
-Someone in the 1800s
PROFESSIONAL CSGO PLAYER
can you think of a job that technology completely erased? I mean what kind of jobs that completely disappeared because machines dominated the whole field? Computers calculate really quickly, but if there was a job for a human calculator, surely the workers could switch relatively easily towards other subjects in Math, right?
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Cloth washers.
And surprisinly we still have cashiers in the shops, not as much as used to be tho.
Human calculator is exactly the job that was erased.
But as you said, computers being better at calculating opened a whole new field of maths: Computational maths, simulation, and modelling, which employed and employs a metric fuckton of people.
Professional esport/sport player. Why? because it's mean to play by human we already see that AI is much better in esport/sport for example openAI beat OG TI champ winner, openAI beat dendi one of best player dota 2, AI beat alphaGO beat Go world champion. But Dota 2 tournament still exist until now because it's mean to be entertaining human not some repetitive jobs.
Edit: We probably could see openAI csgo version beating s1mple.
Most of the entertainment/media business, like actors, directors, screenwriters, news anchor, and novelists. With AIs creating those, they will likely feel pretty lifeless. As well as most people watch name director films like the goat Scorsese.
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exactly
pornstar
This is always a good topic because we can clearly see in this thread that peoples comprehension of AI is wildly different.
actors, majority of arts related jobs, psychologists, trainers
mostly everything based on interhuman relationships
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1) Tell yourself you're going to only watch animations, or you just don't watch movies and series at all (not to mention theatre, not just movies)
2) Don't tell me anything about that art generating bullshit, yes i like them, yes they are valid but no AI will be able to completely outcome our own imagination and potential.
3) This is completely wrong since a robot can't achieve natural emotion and feelings and I'm not even going to debate it.
Also by this logic you could replace absolutely everything (even sports :D) but you have to consider others' feedback, if something is doable it doesn't mean it will also work or get accepted. And I do hope we're not all that retarded as a planet to let AI take over to that point where we just depend on robots.
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Bruh I'm not talking about tomorrow.
Talking about 50 years from now or so.
1) The technology is so advanced, they can animate everything and you wouldn't notice it's animated. Even real people, yes.
2) AI generated art is already looking like real people have made it, and it surely will get even get better.
3) Robots can very well achieve this in the future. The technology isn't there as of yet, but I don't doubt it will get there in like 20 years from now, if not earlier
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We will habe flying cars in 30 years
-someone in 1980
yeah i get it
i don't know it depends how far you want to go with it, all scenarios do have a truth
I have a hard time agreeing on that notion. Although I agree AIs CAN create stunning artwork, they are definitely not gonna be able to replace the artist. To the AI art is meaningless, same is the art AIs create.
I believe AI will be a component to be used by the artist, and likewise, I believe that designers, architects, etc. and what not mentioned by OP will be assisted by AI and that will definitely show on the work they produce.
AI is here to enhance us, not replace us.
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The only thing theg can't really replace is sportists.
No one wants to watch robots play sports against eachother.
Everything else is easily replaceable: teachers, doctors, engineers, musicians, actors, programmers, plumbers, electricians, farmers, scientists, salesman, artists, chefs, architects etc...
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In what world can AI replace musicians and actors?
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Actors with animations which would look like real life (surely it will eventually reach this leve)
And music with: google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2023/01/..
why not?
AI will eventually put 98% of humanity out of job, and anyways, how high % of global population are employed? % is lower than you might think, its 40% and less.
air traffic controllers
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If anything, AI is giving programmers jobs, lol.
tax evader
loan shark
cock fight organizer
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If we had robots that could be AI controlled then there wouldnt be any limits. So probably just jobs that humans wouldnt allow it to replace. Something like an AI priest probably wouldnt fly
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There is nothing AI cant do but we can, certainly not labour-wise, the only thing that we can do and AI may not be able to immitate is organic breeding, other than that, we're going into the pods.
I think archeologist is a job that is really hard for Ai to replace. Not that it is particularry that important of a job but I feel like it would take a lot for robots to do such a job and it would probably not be worth to even try to make Ai understand all that stuff.
Computer Science/Data Science student studying artificial intelligence here. One of the primary general consensuses is that AI can be useful for automating *tasks*, but not full *jobs*. For example, video editors in the future may be able to use AI to balance the audio content with the background music, but not to perform his entire job. There are some things that AI and machine learning are really, really good at, and some things that they are just not suited for. If the goal is maximizing productivity, human-AI collaboration will likely be our best bet.
They took our job!
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iam physiotherapist and i dont really see them replacing my job anytime soon :)
I remember seeing 3D printers being trialed to build houses so construction workers will probably get replaced in due time
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BOT Albert mvp of Pinnacle Cup Syria 2024
Yeah suprisingly (for me at least) creative work seems to be replaced much easier than manual labour. And while there are fully automated bars around, I think at mass and without the need for humans if something goes arie will take a long time. But I look forward to beeing wrong again, who can predict it these days :)
Jobs that still require a hunan element to be able to function in today's society, like police work investigation or Doctor's/Nurses.
AI can trivialise jobs that do the same input over and over again but to be considered "human" will not happen in thus lifetime.
AI can write small functions, actual enterprise software can be tens of millions of lines of code with hundreds of files and dependencies. The program can work just fine and still have hundreds of bugs, how is an AI going to know what's a bug and what's not? In csgo how will an AI fix a smoke bug or a hit reg issue? It wont even know where to start looking. Machine learning in general has limitations based on how you can train it
Programmers is impossible. The code that ChatGPT currently writes is mainly from open-source projects. There are thousands, if not millions of projects from companies that are private/non-sharable which the AI in this state cannot access (imo it never will have access), thus making it pointless for large scale, niche and complex problems. Sure, for some fast script it is good to write. It saves time. Not to mention that you should always double-check before applying, because personally I have stumbled across few bugs with each script I have asked it to make me.
Construction workers are much more replaceable by robots/AI than programmers
"Unskilled" jobs like construction worker, cash register, driver, waiter, factory worker, and similar will be replaced first
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cleaners, especially in environments like intensive care units in hospital etc. hard to see ai/robot doing those narrow spaces properly for a while.
praying for all of you :/
I doubt many will be replaced. People feared automation destroying work in 1900! Yet it still hasn't.
What can AI do better than people? Outside of what computing already does, nothing.
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" People feared automation destroying work in 1900" dumb argument
back then people had basically 0 technology, how would they even fear automation?
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Automation in terms of mass industrialisation. As it went, new work was created!
psychologists are the least likely job to get replaced by AI, understanding other humans is an instinct you can't recreate in AI. robots can interact with humans competently but will never be able to comprehend the inner conflict and emotions of the human mind. not even in hundreds of years
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