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Last episode hit me real hard man wtf was this, i was in a pretty good mood this morning, decided to have breakfast while watching new episode :) ....
Had me by surprise ngl i cried a bit, it was so beautiful but now my day is kinda ruined
What did you think ?.?
it's funny how people confuse real quality with garbage because they never tasted real quality
go watch "The Road" (2009) movie, or better read book it's based on, and after that try to get impressed by "The Last of Us".
no wonder why so many young people are saying that "Rings of Power" is a "fine" tv series, lol, these people unfortunately have no clue what is a true quality
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everytime i see "The Last of Us" i have a strong feeling "this and that been done better there, there and there", but people have never seen those
if Transformers is the first ever movie someone is going to watch, then of course he's gonna say it's the best movie ever, but the thing is - it's not
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You are propably the dumbest user i have ever seen on this website wow
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That's like shooting fish in a barrel..
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Wtf does that mean
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That you cannot miss because they're stacked in there
that means you would be dead
Obviously the road is a masterpiece, but it is not really comparable with the last of us. I love both.
Never said it was the best thing i've watched?
I think for a game adaptation it does pretty good so far, the story between Frank and Bill was (sure) basic but the way the actors portayed it was really really good.
Thank you for being so haughty for no reason
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bruh i was not addressing this to you, but to all these threads saying "The Last of Us" is good or great
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"go watch "The Road" (2009) movie, or better read book it's based on, and after that try to get impressed by "The Last of Us"."
idk seems like you were addressing this to me, since idk i made the thread but hey, you must be so smort for liking real cinema i'm probably wrong :)
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yeah i understand you could take my comment like that, but like i said don't take it personally
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taste can be subjective, but quality - not, you are confusing these two things
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yet you are telling people to watch some movie with very average reviews instead of a show with good ones
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good review may have a mark 6/10 and good review may have a mark 9/10
feel the difference?
"The Road" is based on a book that won biggest literature award (Pulitzer), being called "the best dramatic book of 2008", feel the difference?
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What something is based on doesn't speak to the quality of the adaptation. Further, comparing a movie to a TV show is disingenuous. Movies have always been considered the higher form, artistically, because they're typically self-contained, have larger budgets and more concise themes or characters.
Television has only started to become more creatively sound in the past two decades.
probably not a good adaptation then!
The book is really good - I doubt you read it.
The movie is just average or a bit above average.
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first i read book
then i watch movie
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And yet you claim it's better than those first three episodes... That's insane tbh
Or as some other user already pointed out: a matter of personal taste.
Are you on the spectrum?
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it's funny that you are saying this to a person who regularly finds great new things, and especially funny you heard nothing about 99% of them
example: "Aftersun" 2022 movie, have you heard about it? do you know that critics call it the best film of 2022? do you know that his leading actor becomes the hottest talent in Hollywood right now? do you know how many awards this film has won so far? i bet you don't, and i can tell you a lot of examples like this one
so stay away please with your bullshit "the old are the best", "boomer", etc.
discounting something because it's old or 'from the past' is a truly zoomer thing to do. It's also shallow and ignorant. Most everything in art (using the term very broadly to include music, movies, literature, etc) have not only been done before, but yes, been done better before.
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man, i think of this more than i should
i probably sound old af, but i truly believe that music produced in the past ~15 years is just regurgitated garbage. when will there be a new form of music medium? guitar is done, piano is done, percussion is done, etc.
all these major classifications of music (jazz, rock, electronic, etc) have used up basically all the potential of the instruments within that group. we haven't heard a new type of instrument in decades. will there ever be a new instrument that will give way to an actual new class of music?
doubtful
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I'm not sure it's fair to say it's all garbage. There are some musicians doing some pretty neat things these days. But rock/pop has been around for several decades so there's not a lot of originality because there have been literally millions of songs written in that genre. But just because something isn't original doesn't mean it can't be good, in the same way that just because something IS original doesn't mean it's great.
I think what happens is the longer we live, the more we see how much copy/paste there is and we get tired of it. The upcoming generation thinks everything is new, because it's new TO THEM. So while the older generation is getting tired of the same old stuff, the new generation keeps it alive because it still feels fresh. And so the cycle goes.
To expand on your other thought about whether or not there will be a new musical genre altogether. I think yes. Looking at the history of music (or any art form), there have always been phases, or eras. An era that lasted 100 years would have been a lifetime, but it still had it's day, then didn't. So yes, I believe there will be another era of music, along with new instruments. I mean, sounds mixed/produced on computer software make up the majority of what is produced today and that didn't exist 50 years ago, so that's an example of an instrument that's practically brand new (in historical terms) that completely changed music.
I could see the guitar fading out. I think the piano has stood the test of time, so I'm not sure it's going anywhere for awhile.
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It's hard to say, really. I firmly believe that music has been very stagnant for quite some time. All the popular music now is regurgitation from previous genres and instruments. I suppose you could say that the computer can create endless music possibilities, but we've already been listening to that type of stuff for decades already.
i'm not really talking about different tunes, melodies, or anything like that, but rather some sort of new breakthrough method for producing music, like Eddie Van Halen creating a new guitar sound in the late 70's, or synth music in the 70's and 80's.
People's minds were absolutely BLOWN back then bc it was something they've never heard before. I just simply do not see that happening again
There's tons of new music out there if you don't stay in the pop music genre.
If it's catering to one's personal taste is a different story ofc.
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haven't listened to pop music in years.
all i was saying is that there hasn't been some sort of musical breakthrough in decades. not sure how we're going to move forward after things continue to get reused over and over
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I don't know.
I feel like the new stuff isnt naturally as "different" as for example rock to hiphop or whatever but in these genres theres artists new influences creating kinda new sound.
Like I listen to hardcore/punk for a really long time now but knocked loose for example brought something new with those nu metallish dissonances.
Or sadboy rap kinda pushed further what pop punk bands did around 2010.
Black metal elements getting more popular in screamo and and...
Obv none of them invent a new wheel but they refresh old sounds imo.
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not to sound funny, but you're just not getting it
i mean the influx of a brand new instrument, technique, and/or sound all together.
think of something like Eddie Van Halen when he created the Frankenstein guitar and thus a completely new guitar sound that nobody has ever heard before. Same thing when jazz fusion started to introduce computer synth sounds, which lead to the synth wave of the 80s. stuff like that
in the world today, we've heard all that. we've seen all that. there are no new instruments that i know of that are reshaping the world of music. people are just using the same tools to create the same general sounds.
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Didn't read my last sentence. OK.
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probably bc it was the same thing you were saying in the rest of your posts lol
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I sleep.
It’s almost like all people are different and they actually like different things. That’s crazy
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good take
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best IGL after Karrigan right now
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read news better my friendo
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You should be grateful he’s not one of those people saying stranger things is a masterpiece
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+1 i laughed
Well yeah they're kids
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i also think it's not garbage, at least because of Pedro Pascal, great actor
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Man, just let us enjoy it. Not everything needs to be a comparisson.
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aleksib will be benched before the major
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sadge :(
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good suggestion thanks
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While i agree with your sentiment, i don't think that motion picture can ever be high art, the notion that it can is just an astroturfed cope by the U.S Americans.
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oh man the book is amazing
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bruh it's not my fault that they ban users with flag i really belong to
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buzzkill. You must be fun at parties
the most overrated piece of garbage i have ever seen
its being promoted like its some new game of thrones, but in reality its sooo bad omg
main characters besides joel fucking suck, their acting is garbage, and i dont feel any sympathy towards them
i couldnt care less when teresa died, i even wished she would at some point lol
its even worse than netflix witcher s1
i havent played the game btw
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You're well in your right to dislike the show, and i agree it's overhyped but
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No witcher was way worse
pedro pascal carrying shows as usual
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+1 we really dont
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the walking dead was great if they didnt kill of so many important characters
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still wont forgive them for how they killed my man
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after over a year i was ready to forgive them and then i heard they killed carl as well and it was all over for me
Man im so hyped about that pc release (i live in a poor country so i cant but console+ps sadly) Hopefully they port it good and i can run it decently.
Then im gonna watch the series
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Zammmnnnnn watch out it's spooky 😎
imagine watching tv series kek
If it has the same ending like the game its dogshit. Like seriusly the writers deserve jail time for that shit
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They are yes
Bill is gay but idk about Frank, in the game Frank left Bill because he ended up hating him, so idk if he was truly ever in love with Bill or was just using him.
garbage episode, ruined my all day because i was upset of how bad it was
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what didn't you like about it?
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10/10 based episode
One of the greatest tv shows i have seen in recent times. This episode was god tier story telling.
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??????????
Lmao
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Only "bad" thing is that I actually have no idea how they want to top this episode going forward.
So many virgins traumatized over two dudes kissing lmao
Did it make you that uncomfortable?
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Sometimes i'm happy i'm not the typical hltv user
if u are not virgin and you are gay than its okay for you, but if u are virgin/not virgin and u like girls than it's disgusting for you
Haha
For real
your an idiot. do you get some dopamine rush when woke stuff appears on your TV that makes you blind to how dumb what your seeing is? brokeback mountain was a great movie, that episode of The Last of Us was trash and boring. you wanna see a good episode of gay TV go watch Black Mirror San Juniperino
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I actually think the entire hour long sub-plot was unnecessary, not just the gay part of it. I wouldn't be bringing up the gayness of it, if it wasn't obvious they threw that in there for woke reasons. if we lived in a world where that was just a creative choice by the director then so be it, but we both know there were suits in a studio that decided the show needed gay representation and that's why it was in there. I have no problem with gay characters in a film, it's when it's forced diversity that it usually leads to bad writing. go check out Brokeback Mountain or My Own Private Idaho if you want to see greatly written gay stories.
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They were also gay in the game. And there was absolutely 0 pandering to this other than to show a love story in a broken world. Fuck off
If you didn't like it because you thought the subplot was unnecessary, then fine, but please, if you're gonna be blatantly homophobic for no apparent reason, fuck off.
There is no chance that this was a studio decision.
Also: forced diversity? My ass lmfao. Nothing about this was forced
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great love story. find a guy in a hole, make him dinner and play piano and all of a sudden you're lovers, flash forward to a bickering couple. A+ writing. really made me care about them and their love "story".
I'm not being homophobic for no reason, you're confused. I'm being anti-woke and inserting gay love stories just for representation.
I've never played the game. so this was all part of the game? you play as Bill or something?
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if i recall correctly bill's story can be learned by collecting notes and he doesn't die with frank.
You also oversimplified their whole relationship lmao but you have the right to not relate to that.
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I mean that's what they showed us right? they didn't give us a reason why they would like each other, or even how they knew eachother were both gay.. like they're supposed to have some magical gaydar (oh this classical music isn't yours, this obscure pop 80s pop song that was cheap enough for HBO to buy the rights to is definitely you!) that was insulting to gay people and played into the stereotype that 80s music is gay. I should clarify, gaydar is a thing but it's not magical, you're able to see it in men by how they manicure themselves, their more feminine energy or their subtle behavior around men they are attracted to. they showed none of that and made it seem like he could smell that he was gay. the show oversimplified their relationship, not me.
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I'm just guessing, but Bill being alone and frustrated before the whole shroom situation might have something to do here. You could see he was kinda of shy/tensed idk how to describe it, but put off. Frank on the other hand knew what he was doing but i think "old" men living with their mom might be a gay stereotype (not sure tho) but i guess that you know, no photo of any other women in the house gives a pretty good idea (either that or he's a virgin).
There is also symbolism with the hole and the ladder and blah blah blah but it was telling something.
wtf bro everybody loves 80s pop what is that weak ass stereotype
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more of an incel stereotype than anything else in modern society. in older times it was more normal for parents who couldn't take care of themselves to live with their children. now we just ship them off to retirement homes to rot away.
"wtf bro everybody loves 80s pop what is that weak ass stereotype"
I didn't make it up lmao. the 80s music scene was full of hairspray and men wearing makeup.
Frank hates bill in the game.
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that is your headcanon tho, the note in the game shows Frank saying he hates bill
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idk why you doin this but the original lore was pretty clear, ofc the show its gonna have some changes, but the game was pretty clear
You're homophobic. You can just admit it. If it would've been a straight relationship, you may not have liked the episode still, but you wouldn't have lost a word about it. Nothing in this episode had anything to do with woke pandering. The only thing that you disliked about their relationship is that it was 2 men. Textbook homophobe. Deny it all you want.
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nah, I've already gave 3 example of good gay movies/TV shows in this thread. if it was a straight relationship I still would have complained about how stupid and unnecessary the time jump and sub plot was just like I complained about the pacing of episode 1 of this show.
I watch a lot of movies/TV so I can spot bad writing easily. when I was 13 like you I used to enjoy bad writing so that's probably the difference between us, one day you'll grow up and understand.
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why is calling the person a homophobe always the go-to angle for people like you?
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so because a heterosexual person doesn't want to see gay men being intimate, they're automatically a homophobe?
~5-7% of the population in this country (not sure about yours) is gay. being gay is something that is not biologically natural and does not follow the traditional evolutionary path. all humans naturally pick out differences in each other and you're never going to change that.
people aren't afraid of gay people, they just don't want to see something that isn't at all natural. in the rest of the animal kingdom, those gay few would not pass on their genes. that's the way it goes with natural selection
this sudden push for the overwhelming majority to agree with, respect, and uphold the views of the tiny minority is getting out of hand. you don't believe what i believe, so YOU'RE A HOMOPHOBE. gtfo dude
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There is a world between feeling uncomfortable watching it and hating the episode because of 2 kisses between men
If this isn't definitive proof that people are homophobic, idk what is: imdb.com/title/tt14500888/ratings/?ref_=..
also "isn't at all natural" and "would not pass on their genes. That's the way it goes with natural selection" is the stupidest shit I've heard all day
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maybe they (and me) hated the episode bc they focused too much on something that wasn't in the game, while ignoring potentially awesome aspects that would have been great to see.
Bill wasn't like how they portrayed him
Bill and Frank actually disliked each other
Frank died from hanging
they skipped the Bill / Ellie interations
they skipped a potentially awesome bloater scene
etc.
that's why people are pissed, along with the fact that these modern shows and movies are literally forcing LBGT (once again... 5-7%) in just about EVERYTHING. people are sick of it, plain and simple.
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lol can't say i'm not surprised with your reactions. gotta love the little jab insults.
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It's not an insult, you literally can't read:
'If the person said, "I didn't like the episode because [whatever that does not have to do with the love story being about 2 men]" '
If you don't like that changes were made from the game that's not homophobic, and I never said it was.
ahh, i see you edited. nice
you sound like you're getting really defensive. do you not know how natural selection works or something?
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you're*
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great episode my favorite one so far, but the sex scene yes brief but had the same situation as TLOU2s sex scene had just out of place and unnecessary
romance shit for a hour lol
Beautiful episode. I cried with Bill when Frank told him what to do.
It's extra nice that the ultra conservative borderline racist real men "Ron Swanson" is playing Bill. I nearly died when he started to sing.
I feel like he was specifically casted to shit on right-wingers and gamer dudes lol
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they absolutely did cast two white guys as the gays to shit on white men and conservatives. notice how they always replace white men characters in woke TV or give them the bad roles like villains or dumb people.. really says a lot about how woke people secretly view gay men if they're willing to give those roles to two white guys. reminds me of all the so called woke liberals who make fun of Andrew Tate getting raped by men in prison.
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Least paranoid Andrew Tate follower
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you wish, you're just another sheep but you're a special one because you have your tin foil hat on, and your target on your back too.
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"really says a lot about how woke people secretly view gay men if they're willing to give those roles to two white guys"
I feel like you didn't get why it was necessary in this case.
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necessary? we just discussed why it was necessary. you constantly see woke media replace white men in roles. you telling me they couldn't have made an asian libertarian survivalist? or a middle eastern libertarian survialist? or a black libertarian survivalist? if they can make black targaryens on HBO they can swap whatever the hell they want.. no, like you said it was "necessary" to make him white to "shit on" white conservatives.
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No. For the story.
Not for your tin foil hat argument.
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Because Bill was a (rightwing) prepper ("survivalist") which he needed to be to be able to build that bunker underneath his mother's house basement and well... to survive.
Not really any different from the game btw only that it's way easier and cheaper to program a few polygon to create a whole town, whereas it probably was a budget decision to focus on the house and the one street.
Ps: him being not only in the closet but also deep underground was so symbolic. But in your "that's all woke trash" rage you don't care about the finesse the show is presenting at every corner. For example the transformation of the house over the years after Frank moved in.
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and why couldn't he have been a black libertarian survivalist? are you saying people of color aren't allowed to value individualism and have the intellectual capacity to build? cause that's what it reads like..
it doesn't matter what it was in the game, woke media constantly black washes white characters. you know that.
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Black libertarians are rarely preppers tbh
A question that really bugs me for while now, probably nearly all the time i encounter you: why do you not allow room for interpretation or better why are you not entertaining the idea that people don't necessarily have overlooked what you think you can point out.
I didn't say he needed to be white to be able to build stuff (that's only what you read into it)
I said he needed to be a white prepper so it makes sense that he did build stuff...
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gays are rarely preppers. but why would any of that matter? it's woke fiction. why would you have to abide by the rules of reality now? only when it comes to making white people look bad?
what do you mean, not allow room for interpretation, that's what we're doing right now. and I'm showing you the illogical hypocrisy in your interpretation.
you did state that it was necessary for him to be white and when I pressed you on it you said it was because he needed to be able to build a bunker... and you're doubling down by saying it wouldn't make sense if another race built stuff.
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Never heard of the psychology theory why some conservative people are so focused on voicing their homophobic?
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As I said. You're so caught up in your rage about "wokeness" that is injected by TV, 5g nano bots and vaccinations into honorable straight people. You not only (dis)miss the class of this series but also don't see that it makes a lot of sense why they do what they do.
Admittedly, there are movies or series where it feels forced (and most likely is), but here it's super thought through.
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Drop it he's too aware for the likes of us
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You might be right :)
the first two episodes of this show were great, and that was even with the forced black daughter and race swapping Joel. you're ignoring the bad writing of episode 3 because you get a dopamine hit when see diversity representation, as it makes you feel like you're a good progressive person helping out oppressed groups of people by giving them your attention.
my explanation for the studios race swapping makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than what you've provided as an explanation.. your explanation was blatantly racist.
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explain the bad writing please
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episode 3 being a full hour long flashback of characters who were not intruduced previously. it takes you away from the narrative you actually cared about and inserted you into some love story you care nothing about and had no impact on Joel's or Ellie's plot. the entire sequence hour could have been skipped by the viewer and they would not have missed anything regarding the plot of the rest of the show to come.
ignoring all that, if they wanted to have some stupid filler flashblack they could have atleast made it interesting to watch. it was boring as hell and felt forced. oh they fell in love because he cooked dinner for him and they played piano.. great character development. go watch Black Mirror San Junipero if you want to see how you make people care about a gay relationship in 1 hour.
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I think it established a lot of rules, relationship with current govnt, raiders, comfort difference in and out of QZ's, idk there is a lot to take away from this but i guess it's mainly lore and maybe including it in third episode was not optimal, it didn't really bother me.
Also talking about character development, i found it quite interesting that a survivalist, who was living with his mother, a prepper, decided to kill himself.The focus shifted from keeping imself alive to keeping a loved one alive. There are things to talk about but maybe it doesn't appeal to you for some reason? Maybe those thoughts have already been resolved by your mind? I really don't think the fact they were homosexuals had anything to do with it. It could have been an heterosexual couple, there would be no difference in the message.
I soflty disagree regarding the overall plot, sure it doesn't evolve a lot, but the relationship between Ellie and Joel evolves, and each characters start to evolve separately too (very briefly unfortunately).
I don't think it's badly written, i can agree that if it's not your cup of tea and you were eager to see action, it might be disapointing tho.
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you're right that it did establish some rules and lore, but the point i'm making is that it was a terrribly written way to do that just so they could showcase a gay relationship. all of that backstory could have been introduced with Ellie asking "where are we going, how do you know these people, is it safe out here?"
some guy in this thread mentioned the movie "The Road" in that film the scene where they come up on the cannibals is a great example of interesting and entertaining writing and set the scene for their world without an hour long gay relatinoship that didn't add to the main plot.
it doesn't appeal to me because they were sub plot characters who barely tied into the main story, and their plot had no effect on Joel, he'd have gotten the truck if they were dead, alive, or if their gay romance never happened... I don't care about their development and after they died, I felt like I wasted an hour of my life for a pointless sub plot. if you want me to care about some character's love plot, you better make me care about the characters first and they did not do that, they just introduced them and then threw their love story in your face like you're supposed to give a shit. you would definitely be talking about how boring and unnecessary it was if it was a straight couple. how did Joel and Ellie evolve from finding out they were dead? they didn't even react to it, they got changed, got the truck and left.. Joel didn't even talk about them much.
You spent a lot of sentences hinting at me being homophobic and that's why I had a problem with the story, that is not it at all, it was just a boring sub plot.
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i think i get what you mean by that, and as i said, maybe it was the most optimal way of telling their story, but is it badly written?
There is a lot of symbolism, #209 for exemple, and it does serve a purpose in the story in that sense.
Take the relation to sickness for exemple. You know they have their set up, it's pretty good it defends them against raiders and all, they have food, and some medicine, and they're protected against the infected, and it is the main focus of the story : surviving against the threats after the apocalypse. And Bill and Frank did that pretty good. but they're still human, in good and bad ways, a lot of the both being shown in this episode. Sickness is stilla round, and there is nothing they can do about it. And it makes you realize that, even if this is a post apocalyptic world, there is sickness, there is art, and music,and everything is not so dark after all. it's mainly what i took from this episode, and that is super important, and in that context, i guess it was preasonable to make you watch an hour of gay romance after just 2 episodes, because you have to keep that in mind for the rest of the season now.
Maybe i'm being too much, i just think keeping that in mind just makes the rest of the events they'll encounter much more dramatic.
Everything doesn't have to be played by the main protagonist in my opinion. A story is a way of transmitting a message, the protagonist serves that purpose but without the world building it's useless. So yeah, i'll have to disagree on that point.
Other than that i agree, the way it was being brought to us was not so great. I don't think it justifies calling it bad however.
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hmm I guess we'll see in the upcoming episodes if this context was needed and adds to the show.
someone who has seen all the episodes of this show told me before the show was released that this show was a legit 8.5/10 except for episode 3 which was a pointless LBGQT+1 episode. so I don't know if this will have much ramifications for the story.
Also (maybe i'm reaching)
I felt that there was a weird resemblance between Bill and Joel until Bill let Frank in his life.
And it becomes a warning (via the letter at the end), basically saying that if Joel keeps shutting down to others, he might end up like Bill at the start of the story, and miss out on life. And ofc Tess is already gone but he still as Ellie in a different way.
I found it interesting too, but to each their own
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"you're ignoring the bad writing of episode 3 because you get a dopamine hit when see diversity representation'
You guys actually believe that, right? That's really cute.
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it's the only thing that can explain how so many people enjoy woke media that is poorly written. care to offer a better explanation? because you're assuming that I hate gays when that's just not true. I previously stated Brokeback Mountain was a great movie. my criticism has nothing to do with gays being against my beliefs, my criticism is about gays being forced into the story and the writing being poor.
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You realise that Bill and Frank had been gay in the game as well, do you?
Maybe it's a translation problem. In German we don't differentiate between can, being able to, be allowed to,...they're all the same word.
So try reading it like this:
He needed to be a white prepper so it made sense for the series that he had built this bunker under his mama's house.
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that is still a racist statement lol. you're implying that it doesn't make any sense for any other race to be able to build a bunker.
one of my favorite TV shows, you should watch it, Utopia (released in 2014 on BBC) one of the main characters is an Indian who has a bunker on his property, makes perfect sense in the show.. but according to you, he should have been white because only white people can build bunkers.
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You're getting worked up on "being able" despite me explaining you that it might the problem here.
Way to go. I'm off to bed.
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I shouldn't be surprised anymore..
no, i think he's getting worked up on you being racist and doubling down instead of admitting you said something stupid. personally, i'd rather admit to being wrong than commit to racist views. then again, you are the guy who posts multiple comments on every the last of us thread saying the series is going to good if it makes the fans of the game upset, so i suppose one should take anything you say with a grain of salt.
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a yes, saying you were wrong without saying you were wrong. i guess it's expected from someone with a fragile ego, though i guess it's better than being a racist. good job.
good serie but not great
episode 3 is a trip
Miss me with that gay shit but i actually cried a bit :( beautifully made episode
EP 1 was 10/10
EP 2 like 8/10
EP 3 10/10 once again
I did not care for TWO OLD BEARDED guys kissing, but great survival shit from Bill there, good shit and I for sure cried - 10/10
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if anyone believes that woke culture will stop on LGBT propaganda, stay tuned to witness how wrong you are.
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Why this have to be LGBT propaganda as you call it? im against woke shit 100% but this episode was well made and did not bother me at all it was about gay men.
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you should be more cautious with what you call "well made", nor the game, nor the show is something out of the ordinary.
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I did not say that but its decent show. One of the best i have seen for a long time even tho episode 2 was kind a boring.
the only problemn on the episode was killing bill, here's how I would've written:
bill fake poison frank so he won't die (bill does not want to)
frank realizes later and kill himself (just like in the game)
bill goes cranky and he meets ellie (just like in the game)
Marlene and Bill in the show look almost exactly the same as in the video game, i guess only the afrikan and the homosexual are allowed to be accurately portrayed.
Actually a 10/10 episode. That's what you call a top tier television. Incredible story telling. The chemistry between Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey (who's btw an absolutely amazing actress) is just magical. Can't wait to see more of it. This episode got me hooked af, and I was sceptical about the first 2.
And I know that the gay scenes could've been avoided. I don't mind them kissing like in that wedding scene, but having sex ? Kinda had to look away for a few seconds. Like I said, it wasn't necessary and will only bring hate towards the show.
I liked the episode, maybe I'd like a bit more Ellie and Joel cause they're developing a good chemistry and their dialogue is well done. Really love both the actors. Not my favorite thing to watch gay dudes having sex and kissing, but IMO it was done tastefully and this is the last thing I will remember about this episode. HBO just know how to do it, unlike netflix who ruin and fail at everything they get their hands on.
I watched it before sleep and damn it hit me hard too. Very good episode and i enjoyed it. Great pace, overally very good but sex scenes were too short and i couldnt cum
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