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Kkkkk bro got destroyed
he find out
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was it though? dude threw out a weak punch that was dodged and got his entire body thrashed against the tile like a ragdoll. Self-defense should be proportional, so how was that proportional at all? In a UK court I think the taco bell employee would actually be convicted for assault
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Self defense doesn't have to be proportional, there is a bit of nuance.
If you throw a punch at me and i punch you back, but you black out and injury yourself a lot as you hit the ground, it was self defense, despite the major damage. Why? Intent. You didn't want to cripple the guy, you just defended yourself and couldn't predict what would happen next. Intent, you didn't intent to cripple the guy, it was basically collateral damage.
Emotional state also matters, if you are at threat you may use more force than needed due to adrenaline.
Seeing the reaction of the black shirt guy, he didn't want to throw the guy head first at the ground, but on his back.
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my criminal law lecturer disagrees. Why? Because there is a difference between punching someone and thrusting someone's entire body against the floor. If he punched him back that would be proportional regardless of how much damage was inflicted, but his response was way different than the attack
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Then he probably should know that the law operates case by case. And he just said it needs to be proportional as a rule of thumb, again, my examples are actually factual on what happens in these situations.
There is, the difference is: A punch to the face can do more damage than you falling at the ground on your back. The dude didn't sustain any serious damage, it was just clickbait.
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was unconscious and head was bleeding, taco bell guy took no damage at all lol damage doesnt matter like the actions. He didn't fall on the ground either he was thrown against the ground
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Because he dodged the punch, lol. You think you can only defend yourself if you take the hit head on?
Being unconscious is a common theme and can be done with a good hook, like the one he threw at the employee. Again, no serious damage.
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i'm saying a frail punch doesn't constitute a violent response like what happened to that guy. It makes sense to respond to a punch with a punch or something else that doesnt involve throwing a dude's body against the floor
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It doesn't, taco dude could very well punch the guy in the face after dodging, leading to the same results. Punch --> Black out --> Falls to the ground
Tactical throws can be way less dangerous than punching someone in the face.
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clearly not in this situation given how disproportionate their injuries were. When you are throwing a guy against the floor there is definitely going to be much worse injury than a single weak punch
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But why the punch would be weak. Dude, HE DODGED, the punch wasn't weak, the guy just missed it.
If the guy dodged the punch and punched back in the face with enough force, it would lead to the same result. You don't need to throw someone to black it out, i'm pretty sure you know if you get punched in the face you can go to sleep instantly.
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u can see the punch dude has no form barely any itnent to inflict damage if he wants to knock him out he shouldnt be punching like that. Especially considering the differences in their builds, you can't seriously say the attacks were the same at all lol
cant respond anymore need to start working but standing by what i'm arguing based on my cirminal law notes
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You're just manufacturing shit now, the guy was fast enough to dodge the punch before the guy was able to extend his arm and broke his base right away, you don't know how strong it would be if the guy took it. Stray punches without much technique can knock someone out, stop bringing BS here.
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youtu.be/TJvxgS-LiS8 one thing i notice immediately, dude is using his shoulders as a pivot and has a frail af looking body compared to the taco bell employee who clearly knows what he's doing to dodge like that and looks like he goes to the gym every day, probably a security guard for the shop too. Watch the video too the guy is asking for food, might be homeless so even more reason to realize he's weak af
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Buddy, you are fucking clueless. YOU DON'T NEED TO GIVE A POWER TECHNICAL PUNCH TO KNOCK SOMEONE
youtube.com/shorts/jLv1k8M2tG0
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again look at the difference in their builds... at least 1/2 a year age difference that is clearly noticeable in the same way the taco bell guy needs to notice he's way stronger than the attacker
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You won't do fucking mathematical calculations on someone fully clothed and with similar height in a split second decision
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do you really think that old looking dude with fat rolls on his neck looks anywhere near as strong as that guy with muscles bulging out of his shirt?
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"old looking dude" says you in a low quality footage.
again, #45. Case closed.
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thats what law teaches lol think about it in a wider context, if a weak country throws off a puny attack and is easily repelled, should the large country then fire off a huge attack in reply? This is an actual issue in international law with genocide cases, also an issue in criminal law which I'm arguing
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you're not seeing my argument im just saying its a common idea in law across many different subjects in law, but i'm done replying for now need to work
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wdym weighing machine lol
Punches to the face are ALWAYS dangerous, ALWAYS
a woman knocking out a man, done
reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1..
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the way she punches is with her hips, she looks in much better physical condition than the guy who is clearly not very healthy
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAA
Dude, men are MUCH STRONGER than women even with similar builds. There is a massive weight difference here.
The dude is CLEARLY much heavier than her.
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i agree there are different weight classes in boxing too but when someone has proper form and is against someone way less healthy than them weight class matters a lot less. Weight only means so much when fighters vastly vary in skill
done replying sorry need to work
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And how the fuck do you know who is healthy there, for fucks sake.
Go google videos of women knocking out men, you find a lot of them.
Stop assuming stuff. Surely this tiny skinny woman is a super skilled fighter. All right, imma tell my friends to take on street bums if they just train their punches
you're fucking clueless. Its not just weight, women are weaker even with the same weight. A punch to the face is ALWAYS dangerous, period.
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when its an experienced fighter vs unexperienced dude throwing a weak punch and that difference is clear based on form the response should not be as aggressive as it was given the attacker's poor hit
Who and what is your criminal lecturer?
First, damage does not have to be proportional.
Second, there is two kinds of exceses, intensive and excesive (time spent on self defence, ofc you cannot beat someone for 45 minutes after you defended yourself/you should not reach out to weapon after you defended with bare hands for example),
Third, there is reasonable disproportion. If someone points out gun at you and you point back, he hits 3 bullets and you hit 7 it's no violation of self defence.
In this case there is self defence with a 100% certainty. Attacker wanted to give pucnhes but he got wrestled. Defender didn't used a knife, gun or baseball bat.
If you're going to study law further please do your own research and use a bit of law logic.
In the moments of furiosity or rage there is no such a thing as damage taken if all parameters of self defence are there.
+ stop bringing your law knowledge in this since its non existant + you are embarrasing lawyers around the Earth
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I'm arguing that the ATTACK needs to be proportional, not the damage. Should be very obvious given what I'm writing. I won't respond further given that, if you really think I'm arguing that you aren't reading what I'm saying, maybe your english is bad idk, but definitely not worth my time if you can't read some paragraphs on hltv, you're clearly not reading case law if you can't even read some basic writing on hltv lol
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Gj, you mixed up defender and attacker.
I literally wrote you about two exceses but seems like you don't know what I'm talking about.
You argued about all irrelevant stuff. Damage taken for example.
Please stop embarrasing yourself more then you already had.
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clearly u dont know anything about law, wasn't expecting much from serbian universities though lmao
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Serbian examination bar was ranked highest and toughest by Oxford university last year. Its easy to google up.
As a student and dellusional kid its no wonder you are disrespecting that much but for your own sake do not be stubborn when you are wrong.
You literally got owned by non lawyer guys and it reflects bad on the rest of us.
Personally I think you troll and that you do not study law at all
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I tried readi bf what you said tbh but I don’t know what an excess is lol I think it’s something from your jurisdiction
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Its worldwide, ask your professor.
Its when attack last longer then needed or harder then needed. (Lets say reasonable force or reasonable lasting)
In that case self defence is off.
In video it wasnt the case so everyrhing else falls off. So as "attacker damages received". Nonsence
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it's not though lmao he never mentioned anything like that, maybe its a limitation of your english or a difference in serbian jurisdiction because I've never heard that termed used in 3 years at law school. Also google: google.com/search?q=criminal+law+excesse.. nothing here
if you actually read my argument btw my main point is always that the attack is not proportional. You are misconstruing my argument because you arent a law student lol, but still bragging about the serbian bar exam that you won't even take... I talk about damages to emphasize that the attack was much more brutal, but I never make it the crux of my argument. It just happens that attack and damage are pretty similar in this context
im arguing about damage taken yeah but only as an indication that the attack was not proportional. There are rules in uk law like hollow skull rule which mean that damage does not need to be proportional but still the attack needs to be. I thought the Austrian guy had a good counterargument that the rashness of the situation would warrant a defense though, but I still think the build difference (which is linked to damage but also attack) was important to assess there, doubtful that a trained fighter with a healthy and ripped body would feel any threat just to press himself against the homeless dude begging for food or something
something you would learn in law school btw is that there is often not a general right answer in law because law is always changing and context is always different if there is nothing in statute acting as countervailing evidence, so there isnt really a "right" answer. As long as we both could provide an argument with evidence and analysis there is a case for debate
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Dear kid, I am a Lawyer for several years and I was never taken so lightly by anyone but some random weeb on HLTV forums.
This is more then embarrasing.
First, institute of excses is invented in England.
a.k.a. = exceeding the limits of necessary defense.
It's literally the basics of Law in any country so it does not have anything to do with national criminal Laws as they are all derived from same source more or less.
Second, stop mixing attack with defence. The guy on the ground is fucking attacker, you don't need to be man of law to see that.
So first lessons is, it's not COUNTER ATTACK, it's act of DEFENCE called SELF DEFENCE ffs.
And please tell me which university are you attending? I am eager to know where they produced so lawly illiterate students.
Of course I didn't read all your nonsence posts, just first one.
tldr : Stop trying to act smart and learn to read, comprehend and take advice if someone is willing to spend time to talk to you. If you are going tobe this disrespectful I only hope I will have a chance to meet you at the Court one day.
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"Of course I didn't read all your posts"
then there is no point talking further. attending university of edinburgh
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Sophism + ignorance + stupidity.
Sorry for your Uni tho
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the point of sophism is that the argument is smart just fallacious, so it contradicts "ignorance" and "stupidity" ...
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Nope, your wrong again.
You got destroyed so hard trying to sound smart, lmaooo
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I have a 1st rn (barely but still)
please dont become a lawyer
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someone has to defend them lmao, even among qualified lawyers
I fully support your statment, wth why would self deffense have to be "proporionall" 🤣
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I know but its not like a dude tries to punch you and you breake his arm so you are at fault. That case would be completly ok.
What the law in the most countries says is that if dude tried to punch you, your reaction should not be beating him on the ground sensless 20 minutes straight until the police arrives. Or if someone pulls a knife on you and you shoot him in self deffense and he fall on the ground, then you should not shoot him several more times while he is in pain laying on the ground.
Read the follow-up report. The paramedics had arrived on scene, but were not needed and police arrived shortly after the two men who were arguing with the employees had already left -> thus the video is kinda misleading and the injury wasnt so serious. On another day, he lands full force on his neck though...
“We are aware of the incident that recently occurred in our Swansea restaurant. The restaurant franchisee has fully cooperated with the police and no further action will be taken."
You can't help but smile knowing that the dumb and violent customer got made an example out of, without getting seriously wounded, and the employee doesn't have to face any unjust PR-related consequences for once.
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he definitely got fired, wdym
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theyre definitely referring to legal action, im 100% sure taco bell fired him for this
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"Taco Bell confirmed that it was aware of the incident, and that no further action would be taken against the employee." From the same article.
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they may not deem the amount of force he put in to be reasonable so it would be illegal in that case
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yeah it depends on how good the plaintiff's lawyer can argue which is stupid if u ask me
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A South Wales Police spokesperson said: "South Wales Police was called just before 9.20pm yesterday evening, Monday 14 th March, following reports of an altercation in Taco Bell on Oxford Street, Swansea.
"Two men had left the premises prior to officers attending. There have been no complaints forthcoming to date and no arrests."
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yeah the twitter caption was a lie the bro on the ground walked away
What a fucking chad
He gotta be balto-slav
justified murder? if he wasn't wasted he wouldn't even pass out
LMAO get shit on
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he swung first and he didn't intend to kill him with that move, it's justified defense
Dude is a newbie, tried to pressure a character with a command grab.
Self defense, accidents happen
damn, big fella finessed that drunk idiot
this shit happened a year ago
walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/swanse..
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lying for views?????? not possible these days.
lmao, deserved
Attempted murder rofl
The guy was aggressive and tried to punch him and the employee showed him who the real sigma was. Absolutely justified.
Deserved
LMAO bro got rolled ong
self defence beyond a reasonable doubt. You can also see the employee clearly didn't mean to throw him like that based on his reaction immediately afterwards
youtube.com/watch?v=d6sbPCIEMyI
Bro fucked around and found out
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK dat shit made my day
giga chad in my eyes
play stupid games, win stupid prizes
LUL imagine getting KO'd like that, the fall didn't even look that bad
that ragdoll tho
rip in peace
bro defended himself, nothing wrong, just unlucky for the attacker
if you start fights be prepared to lose them
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