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Guys I'm getting dual monitors, and I thought I'd just upgrade my current monitor (24", 144hz.) while I'm at it.
I want to buy 27", preferably 244hz, but not so important.
Any suggestions?
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nice screen, but so expensive men)
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yes
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Be careful you don't get a VA panel.
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can you explain what VA monitor is? I don't understand
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howtogeek.com/658701/tn-vs.-ips-vs.-va-w..
Here's an article but in summary:
TN: Bad viewing angles & bad colours but fast response times
IPS: Good viewing angles & Good colours middling response times
VA: Decent viewing angles and colours but slow response times also tend to not be as good in motion as TN & IPS. Cheaper to make but not ideal for 144hz+ and definitely not good for 240hz.
OLED: Is the best of the best faster than TN, has Better colours than IPS and the best contrast but it's expensive.
Top-end gaming monitors use TN like the new 500hz and the zowie 360hz, but high-end IPS panels are usually pretty good. A 240hz TN is probably better than a 360hz IPS in motion and equal in response times. So IPS is usually recommended.
There exists a 270hz & 360hz 27-inch 1440p with ULMB and response times on par with a TN and a 1440p Oled from LG but it's very expensive.
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thanks brother. I'm looking at an AOC monitor, IPA screen rn. Don't want to spend too much money, and the AOC ones are quite affordable. Again, thanks for info
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AOC Gaming Q27G2S has really good specs for the price.
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Yep. I'm reading only good reviews of it. Think I'll get one from them and save some money
OLED: No sense for PC, it will get burnouts and it's too expensive. It's better to wait for new combinations they are doing rn on TV's with the best of both worlds.
Obviously if someone is rich and give af about changing the monitor in short span, go for it because they are the best in everything else, but...
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That's true but they have burnout protection that's why they weren't used for years in monitors. I would be a little worried about OLED but it's still undeniably the best. I reckon the OLED tech used should last longer than the warranty monitor tech becomes obsolete so quickly by the time burn-in ever becomes a problem you could probably get a 4k oled for half the price of a 1440p Oled today.
But when Microled comes mainstream it will replace OLED since it has all the advantages of OLED without the burn-in risk.
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*That's true but they have burnout protection now. Burn-in is why they weren't used for years in monitors but they have long warranties and the tech has improved.
i didnt even know abou this stuff, i have ips so i guess middle of the road
VA is definitely not cheaper to make than TN. The time it takes for the pixels to switch off black makes it look like paths follow stuff. I switched to a VA monitor because it has better contrast. Doesn't really affect cs:go compared to IPS because most areas are really well lit.
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"VA is definitely not cheaper to make than TN" I meant cheaper than IPS unless you're talking about high-end TN pannels because the controllers in those 500hz pannels are expensive and often need air cooling.
"The time it takes for the pixels to switch off black makes it look like paths follow stuff." And this is the problem I have with VA even IPS isn't as clear in motion as TN and VA can look smeary. Most response time calculations are grey-to-grey transitions and not black-to-white so you never know how good a panel really is until you use it.
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If the only goal is competitive fps, then TN still is definitely the way to go unless you want to fork over a lot for OLED. For anything else TN is the worse type by far.
As long as you don't have the worst high refresh rate monitor ever, the differences don't matter that much. Maybe it will make you 1% better at best.
i have 27'' Full HD 144hz AOC Hero for 2 years now, i think this monitor has 240hz version, its an incredible monitor for both work and gaming but if you're gaming only i recommend 24'' even though I wouldn't go back to 24'' because it's now too small for me, if you're the type of guy who uses monitor closer, buy higher a resolution one if getting a 27'', since I work way more than gaming, a higher resolution 144hz would be the ideal for me, but i couldn't afford but still i love this monitor and the resolution doesn't bother me not even a bit
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I was looking at AOC monitors. They are much more affordable than some of the competitors. Thanks for reply
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that monitor looks awesome. not sure if I can justify spending that much money tho
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AOC have number of high refresh rate QHD models as well. Up to 300hz on their AG274QS. I cannot comment on their performance or quality though, but they should cost considerably less than the ASUS PG27AQN.
Just don't make the mistake of buying a FHD (1080p) 27", unless you plan to use it at a >2m distance. The pixel density is too low.
And avoid VA. IPS is the optimal choice for general use+gaming. TN is marginally snappier than the modern day "FastIPS", but i find the tradeoffs to be too steep (and the industry in general seems to agree, as nowadays most top-end gaming monitors use IPS).
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eu.aoc.com/de/gaming/products/monitors/a..
what about this
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It's an IPS 360hz you'd get better performance with a 360hz tn or 240hz tn so it's kind of irrelevant. There are 360hz 1440p IPS and 240hz OLED 1440p so you're probably better off getting those since they have newer faster panels and they're 27 inch or saving money on a 240hz IPS/TN.
The reason pros used the 240hz Zowie over 360hz is because it was better in motion clarity and considering the difference between 240hz and 360hz is around 1ms the better motion clarity after 240hz is all that matters.
The place I'm buying from has the ASUS 25" Rog Swift PG259QNR on 30% sale. Would you recommend?
That's the upcoming OLED monitor right? Aside from hiding the Windows taskbar, I doubt regular use + gaming is going to cause burn-in. Of course it'll always be a focus of concern on OLEDs but recent panels for the past couple of years have been pretty good in that regard- you'd really have to push them to their limit to cause burn-in.
Though I'd still like to see burn-in warranty like the Alienware QD-OLED UltraWide monitor.
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You will simply never escape the burn in nature of OLED, it's physically impossible, because they are literal organic biocomponents, their degradation will always manifest in burn in, you can get lucky and somehow get a golden sample (100% random luck btw...dont try to account for it) and it can last you 10 years without burn in, but eventually it's gonna pop up, it may take 12 years, for most people it's gonna be 5 years at best.
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I've changed monitors around 3x in 5 years so if it happens 6 years from now or whatever a 1440p OLED is not going to be a high panel 6 years from now you'll be able to buy an upgrade on that monitor like a 4k OLED for probably $300 to $400. 4k 144hz IPS was $1600 in 2018, last year for a brief period I saw a 4k 144hz panel from a manufacturer for just $330 and you can still find them for $400 ish.
I understand why people would be concerned and I'm sure TV manufacturers love the planned obsolesce but people upgrade their monitor more than once every 6 or 7 years.
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"but people upgrade their monitor more than once every 6 or 7 years."
You have no idea how wrong you are on this, you are living in a bubble and you struggle to even imagine a world outside of your bubble.
Im from Argentina and most people REALLY make their bought assets last well beyond your timeline, anyone over age 40 in Argentina still thinks TV's should last at least 10 years because that was the norm when they grew up with CRT's, and frankly, some LED's have become that reliable, this is not the case for OLED and it can never be.
OLED is amazing, they are actual real liquids not just moving, but *sliding* through the diodes, it can never last long.
Most people in Argentina, and other 2nd and 3rd world countries for the matter, don't consume as intensively as you, im assuming you are a Swede of Nigerian ancestry? or U.S American of Nigerian parents? it seems outlandish to you because your reality is the polar opposite, but most people in this socioeconomic group buy 1 computer expecting it to last 7 years without upgrading, 1 tv they expect to use for the next 10 years, etc.
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I didn't mean it like everyone upgrades their monitor or TV every 3 years. I meant people who can afford a high-end oled monitor today that costs $1200 probably aren't going to be to upset if they have to spend $400-500 in 6 or 7 years' time to replace the monitor and that monitor in 6 or 7 years time that costs $400-500 will be better than the OLEDs which costs $1200 today.
I know people who still have 1080p TVs, my grandmother still had a plasma from 2007 until last year. I'm not talking about the average person who isn't that bothered by TV or monitor quality.
Personally, everyone I know who has had a 144hz has upgraded around once every 3-5 years. Even when I was a teenager and working a part-time job I wasn't thinking about will my monitor last 10 years because I expected to upgrade the monitor within 5 or so years.
youtu.be/eRhbQ0UYwWw
The first high refresh rate monitor I had was this one I saw on teksyndicate a Korean monitor that could run at 96hz just 3 years later it was almost irrelevant because 1440p 144hz was around $300 even less than I paid for the 96hz monitor.
And no I'm not from Nigeria. But that's just my opinion on why expecting 6 or 7 years from an Oled panel is OK.
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I guess it's gonna be a divisive technology, on one side you got the tech-savy people like you who actually know what they're getting into, in your case your expected time of use is not even maxing the OLED lifetime so you'll be fine, but people who can barelly afford these new TV's and just get them because they want to spend top dollar for the best once and be done with it, those people....they are definitely not gonna be ok with a 5 year lifespan.
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I play CSGO on a 27-inch Nvidia want it to be the new standard and a lot of them have a 25-inch mode if you want to use it as 25 inches with black bars so it's completely personal preference at that point. I like it makes 16:9 feel like 4:3 because the models are bigger and it's not too big that I can't focus on the whole monitor.
engadget.com/nvidia-reflex-1440p-360hz-g..
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A lot of semi-pros play 27 inches I think even Fl0m does. If you're used to 24/25 inches it might seem be hard to get used to 27 inches with or without bb.
I'm not sure it will become the norm at lans because having 5 27-inch monitors on a desk even if the majority of pros started to prefer 27 inches would require a lot of space. A lof of the Pubg events back in 2018 and 2019 used 27 inches monitors so it's not impossible.
what u going for?
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what do you mean?
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Do you want higher picture quality? higher color accuracy? or just the fastest monitor with the lowest input lag possible?
If you just want the prettiest picture i would seriously recommend you to keep saving money until July, try to save up at least 1200€ , by July the new OLED monitors will be out and those will have the best HDR and lowest input lag in the world, but you'll be limited to 120hz probably.
If you want above-average color accuracy your best bet is a cheap ips gigabyte , usually goes for 249U$D and they're mostly 165hz.
The fastest monitor on the planet atm is the BenQ XL2566K with a 0.53¬2.1ms input lag, 360hz, and the best anti-blur solution in the world, but obviously, the color accuracy is garbage because the monitor is made for competitive gaming, which makes the brightness levels more uniform across the screen to lift those darker parts up, making dark scenes even greyer than ips blacks.
OLED is the best, if you can save for it, save for it, if you cant then you must pick between prettier colors of ips being a lot slower or the really bad colors that come as a con for the sheer unmatched speed of the best TN panel, which is the XL2566K.
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I really just want a good monitor, nothing insane, Preferably 27". I'm overwhelmed by all this info about monitors, it just confuses me.
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Maybe this? : amazon.com/GIGABYTE-M27Q-Monitor-Display..
LG 27GP950
4k, OLED, 144hz
It has everything you need
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There's also a 240hz 1440p Oled from LG which might be better for competitive gaming.
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Why wouldn't you use DyAc? And they're not the same I can guarantee that, I've tried XL2546, XL2546K, the 240Hz Alienware IPS panel, the 390Hz Acer IPS panel and now I'm on the XL2566K 360Hz with DyAc+. BenQ's TN panels feel way more responsive with less overshoot/ghosting and DyAc is a cheat code for motion clarity.
Their colors are shit though, I use the BenQ only for CSGO gaming and nothing else.
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2546k user here , I don't use dyac it strains my eyes, a lot of pros don't use it either.
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exactly.
"DyaC is a cheat code for motion clarity" yes?? this is exactly what i meant i dont use it because my mouse feel like its floating when i enable this overrated shit , i didnt tried any other 240hz only used 150$ 144hz for 2 years and replace it with 500$ xl2546k and didnt see any significant diffrence (not even 5% better , first 2 weeks i played even worse) and "more responsive with less overshoot/ghosting" - this is bullshit ive never had any problems with responsisvness and "ghosting" with my 150$ monitor dont even know what u mean by ghosting . And its not worth 500$ not even close i contact shop after dissapointness and the shop decline giving me back 500$ and i would without any thoughts replace it with my old monitor and get my money back
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Sounds like a skill issue tbh, no way you play better at 144Hz than on 240Hz with DyAc. If you can't notice ghosting and responsiveness differences then that's subjective to you.
I've had around 6-7 different monitors, I like to try out tech and then sell it if I don't like it, my list currently is XL2566K > Acer 390Hz > XL2546K > XL2546 > Alienware 240Hz (same panels in Asus and all other 240Hz IPS monitors) > Dell 155Hz TN panel.
When I sold my XL2546 while I was waiting for the Acer 390 to arrive I was using the Dell 155Hz to game. Felt like 60Hz once I went back from 240.
Either it's subjective to you that you do not notice any difference or the rest of your gear can't keep up.
Please don't lie to people that 240Hz with DyAc is worse than 144Hz without motion blur reduction.
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I don't know what issues you have with your mouse input - I literally just tested it as I'm writing this reply and can't notice any difference in mouse input.
And I never said you'll get +1000 elo from the monitor. But there is a difference between that and a basic 144Hz screen, and it's pretty significant if you're already a good player.
And as someone else mentioned, very few pros have DyAc turned off.
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Right you didnt said that but ur talking like its next level peak monitor that everyone should buy immediately while its overrated shit , i even wonder u have one after u said u cant spot any diffrence with mouse , go dm and play with Dyac+ for 5 min then without , it huge diffrence
No one mentioned it , almost every pro i asked on twitch is dont use it
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can u recommend an affordable 240hz monitor?
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what res u play csgo on? if low then wouldnt recommend going for 27 inch
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I play a custom 4:3 res. 1440x1080 i think. I wonder if I even need to get a 27"inch tbh, as I'm quite happy with my 24" lol
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i think thats a too low resolution for 27inch, will be blurry imo
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I agree, I have 2 1440p 240hz monitors and tbh it's only a noticeable improvement on the TN panel and most of the 240hz panels are IPS so you might as well go 1440p 165hz save money. Or go all out and get 1440p oled 240hz.
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Omen x27 and Alienware AW2721D
Omen is TN Alienware is IPS. I've heard good things about the Acer XB273UGXbmiipruzx because that's 270hz with a ULMB option but I've never used it. All I can see is that 240hz IPS is noticeably less clear in motion than TN.
I think I'd rather have 1440p 240hz oled over a tn or ips 360hz because I think the clarity in motion would be better on the oled.
newegg.com/global/uk-en/p/N82E1682401204..
Might as well get a 1440p monitor depends on your budget they start at $450 for 240hz and under $250 for 144hz.
There's a 270hz 1440p if you want the best of the best it's faster than most of the 360hz 1080p monitors.
I'd just go 1440p 165hz though.
Dell Alienware AW2721D
hp x27q is best by far on price to performance ratio (lowest price was 169$ for IPS 165hz 1440p 27^)
or you can jump str8 on OLEDs but those r pricey rn
LG
ZOWIE XL2546K its what s1mple has can recomend but its 25"
Use rtings.com for tech reviews.
About having two screens same size, specially this big, looks great on paper and on photo but not sure if it's the best ergonomically. I have two 24'' and I was happier when I had a 24+square 19 as secondary, because right now if I have the main one in front I need to rotate too much the head to the right to see the far right, which means you tend to avoid leaving things on that end or you get neck pain because the neck is not made to do this kind of rotations on repetition.
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Use a vertical stand
Whatever you want, they're all excellent now
i just bought AOC Gaming Q27G2S tomorrow will have it so i can say more
also see LG 27GN850-B and IIYAMA G-Master G2770QSU-B1
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I'm leaning towards buying one from AOC. They are more affordable than some of the competitors. Please tell me what you think of it after u get it tmmrw
Hello dude! I've bought PC at start of 2022 year: i7-11700f + rtx 3060 ti, 16 gb, 1tb ssd, prime b560m-a.
i want to buy Zowie Benq 240 hz, but in that moment there was empty in internet stores, only if u overprice pre-order and waitin for it. I check too much monitors and buy MSI MAG251RX: IPS, 240 hz, NVIDIA G-SYNC Compatible, DisplayPort, HDMi, USB Type-C. This is my real answer or comment after 1 year using this combo.
p.s. i agree, probably Zowie Benq is much more better monitors for e-sports.
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So you recommend MSI MAG251RX? It looks like an awesome monitor, but I'm not sure if I want to spend that much
I own and use AORUS FI27Q-X and I couldn't be happier. If you can get it cheaper, get it.
IPS/27"/240Hz rtings.com/monitor/reviews/gigabyte/aoru..
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The place I'm buying from has the ASUS 25" Rog Swift PG259QNR on 30% sale. Would you recommend?
You should think about this differently imo -
24" - upgrade this monitor to 240hz 1080p for FPS games - CSGO, Valorant, Tarkov, COD
27" - is your main monitor and for non-FPS games, RPGS, videos etc - if you have the money go for a HDR1000 monitor and even spring for a GSYNC Ultimate monitor. You don't need high refresh rate here, focus on true HDR (1000 nits+) and 4:4:4 color. 98hz+ is completely fine here (most can OC refresh rate but it's not even needed)
Something like an ASUS PG27AQN is a complete waste of money unless you think playing competitive FPS games on a 27" monitor is OK. Makes no sense to me. Waste of $1000
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I have been using 27" QHD for competitive gaming for quite a few years now. So have a lot of semi-pros and streamers. The additional pixels make it easier to see enemies further away, and actually might give you a competitive advantage in some scenarios, where resolution is important (peeking under catwalk from pit on vertigo, for instance. And although you do need 4K to see through it clearly, QHD still lets you see more than FHD).
Where it shines the most is in games with long draw distances - Apex, PUBG, Battlefield, etc, where you will see the enemy silhouette more clearly from further away, giving you an advantage over players using lower resolutions.
+ a good QHD gaming monitor will serve quite nicely for both competitive gaming, and cinematic single player games (and would cost cheaper than the double monitor setup that you suggested).
Don't bash what you haven't tried yourself.
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I have tried 27" monitors myself for competitive FPS, don't assume. I own 2 PG27UQs. They OC to 144hz, not really a competitive FPS monitor but the screen is just too big to focus on the whole thing.
It's just too big for me, and for most people. I think there is a good reason why all LAN tournaments have been using 24" monitors for years now, and it has nothing to do with framerates.
Different opinions but I really think having a "CS monitor" if you are semi-serious about competitive gaming and also a "primary monitor" with a higher resolution and HDR is really much better than settling on something that is sort of good for both applications (if you have the money and desk space).
The Viewsonic XG270 viewsonic.com/global/products/lcd/XG270
Noone reminded the top rated monitor from Blurbusters (blurbusters.com/)
27 inch IPS Panel with 240hz, FHD Resolution. Check it for yourself
Otherwise, if ur about to grind urself up as a player and maybe go pro, then you should consider taking the actual ones from benq, which u see at the tournaments etc.
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