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I would love for Cobblestone to be welcomed back to the official pool. The map is just exciting with unique spots and great battles. But I can't decide which map should be replaced.
Inferno, Mirage - never remove, these maps are perfect, especially Inferno for important and big games!
Nuke - imo very close to same kind of legendary status as the previous two maps. Has lost some relevance imo (compare this time to NaVi's Nuke-miniera, and how other teams started banning Nuke to counter that) but is still popular and played and very much integral to the pool now.
Anubis - still fresh, still shiny, and fun as heck! I hope this stays for a long time!
Ancient - was excited for this map when it was new, now not so much anymore. Anubis games aren't that exciting imo. I wouldn't mind at all if this was replaced, but because it is still newer than other entries, I'll allow it to stay in the pool.
Vertigo - well, this is the divider. In 2022 LAN events, Vertigo was very close to the least played map together with Ancient and Dust2, and if you filter by all events for 2022, it IS the least played map in the pool. Personally I like it, and at the same time see all the faults pointed and magnified about it. The more I try to justify this map, the more I feel like it should go.
Overpass - personally hate this map, and don't think it's very fun. It's got loooots of history and seems to come up a lot in important matches. However, in 2022 majors, it was the least played map besides Dust2. For big events, same deal. I think time has passed on this map and it should definitely be time to move on from it.
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xD
inferno best, vertigo worst.
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opposite xd
But thats ur opinion, Inferno is just dogshit for me as Vertigo for u
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inferno is dogshit when you are bad as cs, meanwhile vertigo is dogshit when you are good at cs. ezpz. only limited people like vertigo. its the worst map in the history of cs. its a failed project and valve wont admit it.
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whatever you say man
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stats dont lie
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so i gotta be monkey that doesnt like Vertigo cause other people dislike it/dont play it?
Ur pathetic man
play ur dogshit ferno and enjoy, I'll play Vertigo and enjoy it
/closed
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play what you wanna play but bad taste is still bad taste.
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not really :D
ancient underrated
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ancient mm always someone has those green models.
+1
inferno is literally the best map rn in the pool :D
Man's really said that when Mirage is on the pool
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I would prefer to see more new maps than see cobble back but I understand why you like it. Most of the games I remember from cobble were very one sided.
I would be tempted to remove mirage and inferno temporarily, I would be more excited to see them again once they came back.
I actually quite enjoy watching overpass but I think that might just be because it's not played so much.
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Yes, I would agree that in general, it's best for the game and evolution that newer maps be introduced instead of old maps being rotated in and out. That is a minus against Cbble. I really like the map layout and think it generates many unique situations and battles in the game.
Removing Inferno and Mirage would be chaotic, and I love chaotic. I think I like the way you approach this topic here.
-vertigo +cobble
-mirage +cache
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+1 (rework cache visuals first and return the old cobble layout)
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its sad that valve fucked cache up so badly, the map creator legit made the map so much better and then at the same time valve added shitty agents like its fornite or smth
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+1 remove agents from faceit at the very least, preferably from competitive too
why remove 2 best maps doe
Cobble shit map, overrated af
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+1
Lmao train
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Alright, yes, the rotates are very undimensional and quite static. I'm def nostalgic here but have also played Cbble a lot recently and liking it very much as both T and CT. I love Train too, I would love for that to come back. Cache...I wouldn't mind that being included, although at first thought it feels too similar to Ancient layout.
Cobblestone is a trash map, this is why Valve removed it and never cared to remake it again :)
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But they did that overhaul because tts had difficult time defaulting and other minor problems.
:D spot on! lol
-mirage +cobble rework would be a nice move, or even -mirage +train with tweaking. You know what anything -mirage would be a good thing +assault or +office idc just remove mirage.
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Assault as the last map of a bo5 would be hilarious.
Well yeah, actually, yeah, removing Mirage would bring about lots of chaos as lots of teams would be forced to scramble for new maps. Could be a refreshing change.
As far as I remember, in professional matches, in faceit and mm Coble was a one site map. All the rounds were played around B
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Why do u think mirage is boring, explain to me please.
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1) I don't think so, it's not like quad on inferno for example, I don't see A anchor playing only default or under palace every 2 rounds.
2) I think it's a natural thing for every map, after 10 years maps are just so well-known, almost perfectly.
3) We have only 2 dusty maps in the pool :)
I consider Mirage the best competitive layout right now (Nuke is close second). The 4square desing helps with rotates, CTs and Ts can rotate really fast that helps with the game flow (and prevents radiculous save meta, just like on inferno or dust2). Bombsites are great, you can really play in other way every single round, we have just so many options. The only thing that might be boring are defaults, because teams usually just want to get mid control (so we have window smoke, some flashes and con smoke) the rest of the gameplay is great.
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I can understand the desire for perfection, and ultimately numbers don't like, but from my eyes, there's perfection in imperfection. Purely speaking, mirage is a perfected map; it's evenness should be desired by all map creators. However, perfection can quickly turn to repetition.
As someone who plays the game for enjoyment of the map (not just winning), playing a map that, for the most part, has little to no variance for the most part, setups are same throughout, rotations are quick and easy, etc etc. You can see the disliking from my eyes if you think like me.
Contradictions do co-exist and accepting this fact helps you grow.
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mans stuck in 2016
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Nah vertigo was good in 2016 but sucks currently
overpass is so bad only the connector part is well made, b site is horrible
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how would you like b site,?
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not as a tunnel that gets smoked and spammed to get a 3k by the cts every round
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question is how not how no to
-inferno+anything
I'd rather play that new dogshit Tuscan than this boring map that is terrible
cobble trash
ovp good
- mirage until its reworked
The old cobble was great, but especially the A-site in new version is horrible.
I dont think it's ever coming back.
cache 100% back
cobble maybe over anubis at some point
train back its fun to watch
fucking torpedo Mirage, been here too long, over played, tired and in desprate need of a minor rework.
dont think the problem gets solved by changing one map at the time, it would be pretty cool to see a consistent map rotation after each season (after the 2nd major of the year)
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Would absolutely love a consistent map rotation. Should be mandatory for any competitive FPS, really.
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it would also make it easier for valve to introduce new maps, instead of doing what they did with vertigo, ancient and Anubis
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And it would expand on the skillset required from a player and teams, giving more dimension to the game. Well, it's not like the maps are supercomplicated, but still.
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exactly, I know people, who currently play semi prof, who haven't played a map of Vertigo yet
I would bring back cbble with train to replace Vertigo and Ancient to be honest those maps are legendary
I dont get why people want cobble back, it was very one sided when it was in the poll. As to what i would remove, mirage would be the first candidate cuz it needs either a rework or at least to stay on the side a couple of months so people maybe will try and learn other maps, the 2nd candidate would be overpass, never liked it personally, probably cuz i dont see anyone in my pugs who knows how to play it, its very big and b is very annoying with the monster being smoked and spammed 1min of the round and short being smoke off the moli and hope u kill them when u get out of the smoke
-Mirage?
I can't disagree, vertigo is just bad and overpass is the most boring map ever, the only time it gets unpredictable and interesting is when CTs have shitty day and make individual mistakes.
just fuck vertigo off, playing it just passable but watching it is just dog shit.
rework of train would be good, the map has a good core build, some sick plays have been on that map.
you would need to remake monster area on Overpass - it's too easy to get a lot of blindkills just because of feel, even worse than on dust which got removed
ppl are crazy to want one sided maps such as cbble and train...
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:D it has been proven life can survive even in very harsh conditions. Not optimal but possible.
cbble was never a good map...
tuscan,train, cache way better maps and they should remove -anubis and bring back d2 or train or cache etc
- mirage
-anubis i dont like it sry
+cobble
+train
cobble is overrated
- mirage
- ovp
both need rework
+cbble
+cache
tl;dr
cobble utter trash map
cbble was always shit map can we stop talking like it was any good? LIKE it was 1min going around the map and then hit B 90% of the time
- mirage
Mirage is the worst map there right now, way too puggy no one wants to watch those games if they want to see good counter strike.
-mirage +something new
no reason to bring back an old map when there are great new maps being made right now
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