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As much as I love Liquid, they look like shit. NAF is way too good for this team, and as arguably a top 5 support/anchor, I believe his talent could take a lot of international teams to the next level. For example imagine G2 with NAF instead of JKS. That team would be unstoppable, or even FaZe replacing rain with NAF, and pushing either Twistzz or Karrigan into the entry role. Another one would be vitality, in which you replace dupreeh and revert apex back to the entry. I feel as though any of these moves(except maybe the faze one) would be a clear upgrade for both parties.
best team naf could hope would be ence
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obviously, reminder that G2 has 3 stars that all get better roles than jks
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NAF holds the same roles as JKS, literal one to one. He still manages to be the highest performer on his team. If you were to go role to role
Niko > yekindar
hunter > Elige
JKS <<< NAF
Hooxi = nitr0
m0nesy >>> osee
The pieces around JKS are better which inflates his rating due to his team having better performances. I will admit he looked lights out at Blast, however NAF still out performed him.
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having better players around you doesn't make your rating better, adr + kpr + impact are more important than potential low dpr and high kast
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Just because its less important, doesn't mean it isn't important. Plus better players will set you up to trade better. Ever wonder why the winning team tends(not always) to have higher ratings even if a player on the winning team may have seemed like he performed worse than someone on the losing team?
NAF is better than JKS but jks is very very good and more than good enough to keep his spot.
But most importantly, if G2 keeps winning like they have been, they will NOT want to make roster changes.
Ironically, i think NAF to FaZe is far more likely than him going to a peak G2 , since Rain is clearly in his late stage of cs career.
But personally, i would love to see NAF replacing Brollan on NiP, that's where i think he'd succeed the most, if NAF replaced JKS on G2 that would not be good for NAF because when you have NiKo and m0nesy i doubt he'll get much space to shine as a star, let alone in FaZe.
On NiP though, he'd have a legit igl, they already decided to speak English, REZ is a great support, k0nfig is really good...if headtr1ck can be decent with the awp, they'd be far better than Liquid is rn.
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naf >>>>>>>>>>> jks lol
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naf playing around 1 player, jks playing around 3 players
and even then it's not that significant
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After filtering for last 6 months to account for JKS only being on G2 for roughly that long:
NAF Top 20 Last 6 months: hltv.org/stats/players/8520/naf?startDat..
JKS Top 20 last 6 months: hltv.org/stats/players/4679/jks?startDat..
"it's not that significant"
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Jks was coming off of a massive break and integrating into a brand new IGL when he first joined G2
Just because a player is “better” doesn’t mean it’s always worth upgrading
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NAF isn’t really better on CT, only T
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Based on what? Certainly not rating. jks did not play for literally 6 months before joining G2. Since he joined, he has a 1.12 CT rating vs top 20 compared to 1.10 for NAF.
If we exclude that first event back where he was finding form, jks jumps to a 1.16 for his time in G2
If we only look at the past two events for current form, jks is at 1.23 vs 1.09 for NAF (again, vs top 20)
NAF is the overall superior player but you can’t make a stats based argument that NAF has been a better CT side player.
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he wouldn't be better in G2
what about vita and dupreeh
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This
spinx is the one lurking, not dupreeh
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apex can't entry like he did in his prime, he would die 9 times out of 10
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entrying requires good aim and reflexes, probably more than any other roles, apex is too washed to have those
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we do know because he stopped being one years ago
but even then, it's a given that an entry needs aim and reflexes and that both of these are among the first things to downgrade with time
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Okay just because he stopped doesn't mean it was because he was bad, it was because he was giving up space for new players to shine. While I agree reflexes and aim go down with time, familiarity is also something that can sharpen ones skills beyond age, This is why at certain positions even old players can perform well beyond their years such as rain or Krimz.
And who entry? Washedaimpex?
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They played like shit at a single Blast Spring Groups after a string of semis / finals finishes at S tier events so it’s time for the team to disband
HLTV moment
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You're underselling Elige pre-covid. He was literally better than Niko in 2019, partially because Niko was slumping but also since Elige was straight up rifle device that year. During the Liquid grand slam run, he was probably the second best player in the world after only zywoo, since simple wasn't playing enough events to get his numbers up.
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Yekindar has been dogshit as well
All your opinions are terrible. You don’t even watch the games.
FURIA.NAFFLY
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no worries, clearly worked well with GOD Junior
He should have done this years ago. Definitely wasting his career even though it makes me sad Liquid will never win a major. He would upgrade almost any team in top10.
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NA doesn’t make awpers, only riflers and supports.
You have to be trolling.
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NAF and twistzz are both insane awpers
if he wanted to leave, he would've already left
he's prolly patriotic towards his region
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When would he have left? NAF last extended his contract in 2021, when Covid was going on and going to an EU team meant not being able to travel and see his family at all. He's signed on until the end of this year, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he tries to get out after this major cycle. This is actually the time that it would make the most sense for him to leave.
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Hes very happy to be with daps. So long as he's there, NAF will stay too.
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Sure he does. He's making 6 figures at Liquid. He's happy if he can spend time with his girlfriend and he's with one of his best friends. And 'mediocre' after making two finals at the end of the year is pretty silly. Gotta give this Yekindar squad atleast half a year.
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Okay, if they lose this series to IHC I'll take back everything I said lol
NAF doesn't have any options other than ENCE and NIP if he goes international
Faze: Ropz, stays
Vitality: Spinx, stays
MOUZ: Frozen, Stays
G2: Jks, will stay until g2 loses form at least
Fnatic: KRIMZ, stays(also fnatic arguably is also not exactly t1)
ENCE: Valde, pretty good for NAF to replace
NIP: Hampus, if he stays away too long and they don't get k0nfig.
Astralis, C9, Heroic, Navi = Not international
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fnatic could use him too
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But NAF wouldn't want to use fnatic.
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i mean fnatic can prolly offer him a bigger bag
and successrate of nip and ence kinda has been like fnatic only yk ( for second half of 2022 )
People also forget that NAF has played nearly every role in the book, I think with vitality the removal of dupreeh and apex taking on the entry fragging, the gap that would be left(a more supportive role), would be perfect for him. FaZe like I said not a perfect fit and imo a player like patsi would be better.
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why would NAF want to change his roles, potentially hurting his game, when his strength is how good he is in said roles?
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NAF role changes were pretty minimal, still a very passive player. You won't find enough space for it, teams will be doubful of this move when you have too many passive players on one team (see astralis)
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I mean passivity can extend into other roles, you can have a passive lurker, support, star, or even entry(though a passive entry rarely works, think someone who will slowly and methodically take sites vs a wide swing to catch someone off guard). In vitality he would still be able to play passive, anchoring a site on ct and playing as the last man in in the entry pack supporting his teammates with nades and trading off them.
I think NAF's options are limited if he wants to go international. I don't see G2, FaZe, or Vitality making roster moves unless one of them seriously underperforms this season. Liquid is better and pays more than a team like ENCE. I think Liquid should have at least a season with this lineup, and if they still don't figure it out, replace oSee or nitr0 or let NAF leave
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I agree, I think it would be more a paycheck issue though than an upgrade issue.
FlameZ < Yekindar but not by much
f1ku/neofrag < elige
Nexa >>> nitr0
Degster >>> oSee
Plus OG just seem way more competitive in this current environment than liquid due to their immaculate teamplay. At the end of the day though I do agree that between Liquid being rich, and OG being notoriously stingy the incentive wouldn't be there.
I do not think he will leave a team that has consistently been top5 for an EU team, no. Nor do I think any other top5 teams would have a vacancy he could fill.
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consistent top 5?
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Wtf am i reading lol, apex doesn't make room for anyone, he entries in eco which often converts to throws, goes 3rd/4th on executes again absolutely shit, doesn't drop or play with inferior guns, calls are shit most of the time and it has been like this for 2 years. Can you throw light on how apex is slightly affected because of dupreeh.
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nah liquid just need to fix their mental game, the passive aggressiveness, eyerolling and enormous ego's would kill anyone's morale, you can tell they are not playing for each other but individually
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As a huge NAF fan I'm in. I feel like he gets slept on soooo often because of how shit Lulquid is. BTW, don't listen to the baiters saying JKS is better than NAF lol.
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Both fluke runs should disband bcz 15 mins of fluke are over
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truee
NAF JOIN TWISTZZ IN FAZE
FAZE NEXT BEST NA ORG
How about NAF joins BIG
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