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Really bad really bad... Is it actually time for changes don't see them in success if they don't perform. Zywoo cannot carry all the time. GGs anyway in quarters we see
Let me finish this sentence: In quarters we see Vitality lose again.
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Told ya :)
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Don't have to be smart for a take like this tbh. Vitality's lineup says it all, especially one person: apEX. ZywOo can't carry all the time and Spinx is as inconsistent as he was in ENCE. Plus two danish has-beens and the ultimate conclusion came with the loss vs. Liquid, who may not have the best awper, but a better collective for sure.
Did u really think they were better than heroic lol.?
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man i thought it will be a close game like spring groups but holy shit vitality got bopped
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honestly they were similar, heroic doesn't have a good T side, quite the opposite they just run around the map back and forth but seem confused on what to do, but Vit can't play either, but it's funny at least people complain about Furia's style and Heroic is simply a cheap copy .. and I hate Furia and his style of play haha
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?????
You don't watch heroic games if you think they just run around cluelessly
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i see all their games.. and see the same as the match today..
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They smashed them and you think all they did was run around? They know exactly how vitality play because they are incredibly one dimensional
Did you not see how many vita players were full flashed for starters?
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the only thing heroic do, flash assist the rest is running around the map.. or you didnt see how many rounds they were going B and turn around to A and turn around again to B????????????????
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Because botality like to overrotate like the idiot apex is?
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If they have a strat.. execute the strat and win.. stop excuses.. I don’t support vita but that is the truth
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That's not how you win in 2023 lmao
Are you paying attention to csgo metas at all? Wtf dude this isn't mm
It's default heavy
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Tell me a round where heroic execute one Strat on overpass
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XD are you for real? To you structured cs is all about pre round exec calls. DEFAULTS ARE THE META. THATS NOT THE SAME AS RUNNING AROUND THE MAP LIKE SILVERS
but fine, They did a monster pop in round 11 I think where stavn bought a p90
It's kinda clear you only started watching pro cs recently, either that or you have 0 analytical skills so idc about this thread. Go watch more games
What year is this 2018? How difficult is it to understand that you can't run set strats nowdays. Teams are getting good at understanding purpose or specific flashes, smokes, molotovs, granades and counter them accordingly.
What heroic does is called mid-round decisions. To adapt on the fly and counter act with information you gather during live round.
Look around. Watch analysts talk about it. They are best at mid-round decisions making.
Its not headless chickens running around. There is thought process behind every move.
So you want Heroic to have calls from spawn instead of actually finding info and entries on defaults and then attack the site they think is weaker? Heroic has worse individuals (they had like 2 players in top30 last year) but better teamwork and cohesion than Vitality so ofc Heroic should try to do a lot of fakes and make them constantly rotate and abuse their pretty bad comms and teamwork, which is Vitality's biggest weakness.
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Top 3 support player of 2022. wake up.
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ok analyst. go touch grass outside.
Just bad air quality in Katowice today, it was expected.
Does apEX has a little bit of shame when weilding galil over ZywOo on deagle?
He should be dropping an ak straightup and play unarmoured.
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I mean it worked for NAVI with Zeus. That team was way better than it really had any right to be.
I guess the logic is that Zywoo can do more with the deagle than Apex? Hero AK is probably better for a contact play but can be shut down easy if the CTs take aggressive early map control or go for info plays (something Heroic do often). Better to have firepower spread evenly across the map.
I didn't watch the game, just playing devil's advocate.
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Aleksi would not work at aaaall. Mezii maybe but then goodbye fnatic
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faze quarters
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i hope liquid somehow upsets faze and vitality gets a freebie quarters but its not looking good
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yeah you are right thats why i was happy when i saw the group and opening game absolute freebie
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no , it will be either faze/liquid
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Kick apex
We'll know after this tournament.
It's technically possible for them to still win but they definitely need to change up their game plan.
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flair kekw
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please god make it so vitality org have serious economic problems so they have to let zywoo go
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where would Zywoo even go? He would most certainly downgrade in a team if he were to leave Vitality since all the teams better than Vitality already have a reliable AWP'er. His only choice is to stay with Vitality and hope they get better.
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what copium does to a mfker ^
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what copium? I don't even like Zywoo or Vitality xD you couldn't answer the question
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if vitality just had a normal "reliable AWPer" instead of ZywOo they wouldn't even be top 20 i think and for sure not top 15. And ZywOo is an upgrade for any team in the world. Can play anything close to perfection even shit positions, isn't annoying in the teamspeak and is always nice and positive. Rare for his level of skill. He is one of the two best players in the whole world. If he happens to be without contract the next day a top 10 team knocks on his door to ask him to join.
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look at the top 10 teams. Vitality is consistently better than Outsiders, Liquid (sometimes), Mouz, Furia, and OG. That's established. G2, Heroic, Faze, and Navi are better and are not dropping their AWP'ers for Zywoo, so where would Zywoo go that's not a downgrade for him? I feel like this isn't hard to understand
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"Vitality is consistently better than Outsiders, Liquid (sometimes), Mouz, Furia, and OG" THANKS TO ZYWOO. A Mouz with ZywOo instead of torzsi or OG with ZywOo instead of degster would be INSANELY better than current Vitality rooster + he can play classic rifles, he is also one of the best in the world at this
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My man, you are not thinking clearly about this. Pay attention. Let's say Zywoo joins Mouz. Mouz's ceiling with Zywoo would be Vitality's floor with Zywoo. Does that make sense? Let's say Zywoo trades places with degster. degster being one of the best AWP'ers in the game atm, Vitality wouldn't dip much in performance and firepower. OG would get a boost, but they would still only be around the same level that Vitality is at now. It literally makes no sense for Zywoo to leave Vitality unless he can play on Faze, but Faze has no reason to drop broky since he's been one of their best players recently.
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Mouz with ZywOo or OG with ZywOo is Top 3. Vitality will never be a Top 3 team anymore. /close
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Bruh, Vitality were the #1 team JUST a few months ago. Not to mention the players on Vitality (except for Apex) are all better than the players on Mouz and OG. You seriously don't know CSGO if you think Zywoo should/would ever join Mouz and OG.
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i dont think you understand the difference between players hungry for trophies because they haven't won anything yet and players who don't care about winning because they already have a lot of trophies and a high salary. Magisk and Dupreeh are in the second part 100% and it shows ingame. And the playstyle of Vitality is insanely garbage. Buy glasses before watching their game please.
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I agree, Magisk and dupreeh are very inconsistent lately, but hungry or not, they're still better and more reliable than the players on OG or Mouz especially, and the stats prove that. Frozen is the only exception. So if I'm Zywoo, and I want to win more trophies, why would I play with a team that has worse players than my current team? He would be hurting his chances even more. Vitality was formed to be a super team, and they've been underwhelming (which makes me happy, because I don't like any of their players), but even I know that this team is Zywoo's only ticket to a trophy atm. If you're a Zywoo fanboy, you better start hoping that broky underperforms and gets kicked soon.
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they aren't reliable at all, if you say they are you just didn't any vitality game since 6 months. ZywOo will not win anything this year if vitality doesn't make a change. If you say otherwise you just aren't thinking straight and you should watch some vitality games to get back to reality. It's a Tier 3 with the best player in the world in it
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You're putting words into my mouth. I never said Vitality shouldn't make a change. I also believe Vitality should make a change, but that's not what we're talking about. The discussion is about Zywoo leaving Vitality when there are no better options for him atm. And I'm guessing my assumption about you is correct, you are a Zywoo fanboy?
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they have to make a change but they will not. That's the whole vitality problem. You seems new here.
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Bruh, I'm literally agreeing with you that Vitality needs to make a change. You, however, were saying Zywoo needs to leave Vitality. That's 2 different discussions lmao.
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yes because vitality WILL NOT make a change, that's why ZywOo should get off this sinking ship. Same 1 discussion.
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I agree, Zywoo deserves a better team, but what we argued about is the fact that u rly think OG or Mouz is a better team than Vitality for Zywoo. I would agreed with you if you said Faze.
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they are hungry, they will be better than vitality even without ZywOo soon so imagine with ZywOo. You just can't think straight.
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OG and Mouz will never be better than Vitality, but okay man. If you say so. We'll let Zywoo decide his future.
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they will for sure. do you to bet on the major ?
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Okay, we will see.
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what's your bet ? i bet one team between Mouz and OG goes to the play off and Vitality doesn't
Vitality are the most inconsistent frauds. They usually do fine beating up on lesser teams, but when it comes to the top tier teams, they never look as dominant. G2, Heroic, and Faze are definitely above Vitality
I feel like it early since they have been perfoming well lately, one match shouldn't decide it, but this is worrying.
I was worried about exactly this, that this show they had at blast was just temporay and then they just fall back to being shit like always...
Give it until Paris max, and then changes has to happen.
This was really tough to watch. A huge off day for Vitality.
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Change will happend in Vitality for sure. Apex or Magisk is probably gone soon, Maybe duprehh to. They play so shaky
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since RpK retired*. They weren't really good with kyojin either.
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This : hltv.org/matches/2350388/vitality-vs-nat..
+ They won a trophy (without Navi in the tournament but still a tier 1 trophy)
Now imagine this guy instead of Kyojin :
hltv.org/stats/players/8374/bodyy?startD..
+ XTQZZZ was the best coach for Apex IGL and ZywOo, with him they always came back to be a top 3 team, always
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That navi bo5 is still the best game I've ever watched, idgaf that it was online
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Oh shit I thought u linked that, my bad
100% the beijing online was the one I meant, double ace from s1mple on dust2, double ace 1v4 from zywoo on the last map on a fuckin duel for the ages for both teams, with the two goats peaking
It was incredible. And how rare it is, zywoo+s1mple combined have maybe 30 1v4, and zywoo pulls two in the decider map of the bo5. With the pistol clutch being my all time favourite highlight by far
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+1 my favourite highlight as well
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They were performing horribly for 4 months failing to reach playoffs every single tournament before they kicked rpk. People either have memory of frog or they like to live in delusions.
They even started to lose to 9z in a 1-sided manner, though i agree that it should have been apex and shox to be kicked not rpk
spinx looking a lot better, dupreeh improving
Zywoo has been unreal this event due to the good air quality, so not replicable.
Really though Vitality have been a one man show for way too long, Spinx needs to play at a much higher level and Dupreeh and apEX need to actually show they can still be decent at the tier 1 level. Zywoo needs what s1mple found in electronic and b1t in 2021, and so far that hasn't happened. When they're like this I don't see them every winning another event.
I dont mean to offend anyone's sensibilities but if you are truly a goat contender, in my opinion, you have to be playing in your native language, this is why NiKo will never be the #1 of all time in csgo, when the game perishes and the next cs is out, and people look back, they will say debate about whether s1mple or kennyS were the best that played the game, NiKo will get his respect but he will never be labeled as the Number 1 of all time in GO.
And im sad to see zywOo going down this route, he's obviously nowhere near winning a major with international roster, so why not go back to a French roster?
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