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I have organized some of my thoughts about the team and it's future, its a long thread that I'm going to discuss about some of the genereal comments I see around especially among the Brazilian community so if ou are only interest in what I think its the solution you can skip to the last topic.
1.) "Saffee is not good enough, put x or y": people have to stop fooling themselves with young players who had good series against tier 3/4 teams from Brazil thinking he is the new Zywoo, there is simply no Brazilian awp today which you can safely say would be better than Saffee in tier 1. Zevy, Try, or anyone else would be nothing more than a big gamble, remember that Junior was a tier 2/3 monster, he owned every game but when arrived at Furia, was shit against top 10 teams, and even Saffee was smurfing at Pain before going to Furia. Basically the best options to replace him today don't pass any confidence and of course they could potentially improve their situation, but the chances of getting worse are clearly higher because despite not being among the best, Saffee is average among the tier 1 awps.
2.) "Until Art is removed, they wont get anywhere": Just give the answer please, if Brazil has so much talent, so many young promises, why is that ever since the fall of Mibr (formerly sk/lg) which has been almost 4 years by now, never did another Brazilian team come up that made it to tier 1? The answer is simple, we simply don't have good IGLs, it's easy to say that Art only knows how to kill himself and that Furia's style is not sustainable, but then I ask you what other option do we have? Fallen that has only been working with talents, including a non-Brazilian team and never managed to reach Furia, let alone overcome? Or Taco/Cold that already had, and still has, the biggest promises in the br scene at hand and never managed to surpass tier 2? or someone like woody or the PKL that the only tournaments that manage to stand out are tier 3 in Brazil/NA? You can say what you will about Art and Furia's style, but nobody has ever come close to their level in all these years.
3.) And finally for the last point "drop doesn't have the level to play in tier 1": I defended him for a long time, arguing that he was improving every tournament, but a problem he always had and in Katowice it became clear that he didn't had it resolved and there are no indications that he is improving in that regard, it is inconstancy, there are games that the kid is playing really well, confident, even without being top fragger, but in equal numbers, there are games that he simply does not enter the server and this is not something that can be accepted at Furia's level, mainly due to the position of solo bomb he plays, in which he can lose a whole match alone... he is in fact a very young player but considering that we are talking about the best BR team, they already had more than acceptable time to fix it and they didn't, so I believe it's time to make a change, and here unlike Saffee's situation, we have players that we would at least be sure would be more constant, or at least, 1 player, which would be the chelo, and taking a little more risk but still acceptable in relation to keeping drop, lucaozy, two more experienced players (mainly the chelo) and constants that play this role. I'm not gonna say this would solve every single one of their problems, but its the only realistic change that isn't super risky they could do right now in my opinion
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Where is broky?
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hltv.org/stats/players/18053/broky?event..
That impact 🤣🤣🤣
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Broky with fifflaren impact in faze
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Factually both have same amount of LAN trophies but Broky plays in a superteam since 2019 xDDD
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but broky is virgin!?
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Brazilian cs is dead
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Because this is a forum and i want to share my opinion
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You didn't understand his question dude
I think he meant the thread
I arnt read that but love the passion
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resumeé:
Saffee isn't good, but there isn't a better option atm
arT isn't good either, but Brazil IGLs suck generally (this is a national problem)
drop is bad, simply
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Saffee is solid and has at least another year or two in tier 1 CS.
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"people have to stop fooling themselves with young players who had good series against tier 3/4 teams from Brazil thinking he is the new Zywoo"
bro, why would you put lucaozy then? lol
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tbh u get the answers u need filtering furia vs top 10/20 at lan since january 2022... furia core is playing 3x5 and mainly 2x5 (but art still gets his role done) so yeah... saffee and drop needs to go.
hltv.org/stats/teams/players/8297/furia?..
hltv.org/stats/teams/players/8297/furia?..
for me its astonishing that arts ct side is better than their fakin awper ct side.
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hltv.org/stats/players/19692/zevy?rankin..
hltv.org/stats/players/19869/try?ranking..
there is simply no reliable option for awp, saffee might not be among the best of the world but we don't have anyone that is and he is doing ok all things considering, changing him for anyone else would most likely make the team worse
1.) Better awper ? Like not sure if they need even awper, because their playstyle is killing their awper. Maybe it would be better to get some player which plays as 2nd awper, and sometimes pick awp on CT side.
2.) Not sure about IGL too, like is Art really that good and other IGLs are just bad ? Or just Kscerato and yuurih carry nearly every game, and it doesnt even really matter what IGL there is.
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2 really good players might be able to carry a team in one or two tournaments, but no team would be able to stay consistenly among top 15 for 3 and a half years without a good IGL.
Sure Furia's style might be alittle different from the usual but there is a reason to why noone goes for 5 rifles nowadys, AWP is just too strong and by not having an awper in the team they would be limiting their options in terms of possible strats a lot both in CT and TR
About Saffe: I agree and disagree. If possible i would bring Hen1 back, he was the rock of that team and helped to balance the team strat (he would play more passive wile the team was more agro).
I think Drop needs more time, the kid is really good, has some amazing clutches, but it might be "too soon" to be playing at that level. Maybe one year competing in brasil ou NA scene in a smaller team would help him a lot.
I do like art alot, but his style is too much 8 or 80, and i dont think we ever had a champion team that played like that. Consistency > moments of great brilliance.
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We only had one champion team and that was 6 years ago, the game changed a lot since then, if you could just mimic what they did fallen wouldn't be struggling in tier 2/3 ever since.
I don't think drop is a lost cause, he is young and had already shown potential but it's clear that he is not ready to play at tier 1 yet, Furia had plenty of time to develop him but enough is enough, we can't have the best br team stuck in tier 2 for another 2 years because of that, they need a consistent player now.
Furia is a serious org and Hen1 just lost all the trust they had on him due to his own decisions, they won't make the same mistake twice of picking up a player that might just decide to leave in the middle of their project and fuck the whole team structure on a whim
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actually drop replaces vini in some positions so he is kinda the support
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he looks where no one is looking at T side and anchors at CT side, basically
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+lucaozy or insani
-bot drop
roles don't matter, drop is worse than xyp9x even and he doesn't have the "4 majors" excuse
as art said multiple times "any awper would struggle in furia's system", and to this day, the only one who didn't was hen1, but hen1 is far from his prime in furia. Saffee is doing alright, he does his role well, and as you said, anyone else would be a gamble. If he eventually start to fall off, than gamble on zevy, try, nqz etc. But at the moment, there's no reason to replace saffee.
Art won't be kicked, there is no furia without art. The day art gets kicked, you can disband this team already. This man had a few unknown players no one had ever heard about, and in less than 2 years made them tier 1.
Drop plays very difficult roles, he does a good job on playing his roles, but he does not click very well. As you said, he is inconsistent, Wich is okay, he is young, and I doubt there's any young player who would do his role better. I can see him being replaced if he doesn't step up his game in the next 6 months, but knowing how furia management works, he will be replaced by another academy player.
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drop has pretty much the same performance as Vini, but is a lot younger.
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leo was so good, now I really dk
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HEN1's AWP is still pretty darn good man, give the guy a chance again.
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I thought he was committed to his previous teams, no? It's been a while, but I thought he stayed on them for at least 8-10 months, or like 1 year.
If that is really the case, I hope he'll learn that playing without his brother is the only way to improve his own career since his brother kind of sucks compared to him.
nah drop is good homie, still the solution for the roster is still replacing art and drop to refresh the team. no other Brazilian teams have come up and reached tier 1 because the 2 best Brazilian players are on furia. Also MIBR looked like they were on track to be a really good team before Imperial poached their best players, i think if that team stayed together by the Paris major they would be a very good team, especially considering if they kept improving as a team together they could have then brought in an insane player from another Brazilian team such as lucoazy or dumau.
Anyways im rambling but i think its just time for Furia to go their seperate ways and rebuild in separate teams to try and bring some experience and a new team environment to different teams.
I think if saffee could work on his consistency he can be a good Tier-1 AWPer, I mean, this guy has the skill, he just sometimes idk., goes missing, maybe doesn't have enough confidence in some games, however, I don't know if we didn't hit the time when it would be worth giving a try to another AWPer, it's always a risk, but in FURIAs case it might be the risk worth taking. I defienietly wouldn't remove arT, I think ofc. his IGLing style is questionable, but he is the reason why FURIA made it to Tier-1 in the first place, I defienietly think he is the indentitiy of FURIA and especially since there aren't many options to replace him I would defienietly stick with him. However if you would have to replace arT, honestly I would give a try to MUTiRiS, the guy is Portugese, is experienced and very skilled, I think he would be the best option for them if they would have to remove arT, but as I said, I wouldn't do it personally. I agree, the most obvious player to replace in this team is drop unfortunately, he has some odd games when he does step up, but overall he just isn't on the level to play in the best BR team in my opinion. I think the guy that has been quite impressive and could fit his spot that you didn't mention is skullz, the guy is 20, has been getting better and better consistently, and I think it also could be a big upgrade. If I would be FURIA I would probably go with
-drop
-saffee
+skullz
+HEN1 (if he is willing to go back to FURIA)
Great thread btw.
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I'm not convinced about skullz yet to be honest, he has been playing really well in the last 6 months but I think it's too early to be certain of his consistency, unlike players like chelo and lucaozy that have been around putting good numbers for a while, basically I think +skullz would be too risky but of course if he is capable of maintaining this level it would be great.
Hen1 would be the only "safe" replacement for Saffee, but unfortunately, it's not like he would refuse, it's the way around. As a serious org Furia wouldn't commit the same mistake of hiring a guy that could leave them in the middle of a season on whim.
Mutiris is someone that I have never really considered but it's indeed an interesting idea, I can't really see Furia without Art but I would definitely want to see him in another Brazilian team like Mibr or even Pain now that PKLis taking a break
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The thing is, I feel like signing HEN1 and risking that he could potentially leave would be way less risky than signing an unproven talent, and I really think he would still be the best option for them. Also, I doubt arT is leaving FURIA, or FURIA is benching arT anytime soon, It's really just like NIP f0rest, they won't let him go nor will he leave before it gets really extreme.
I agree with almost everything, just two things I don't agree with:
- Chelo will not leave Imperial, he has a long-term project with the team already thinking about after Fallen retires.
- Fallen really isn't the best IGL in Brazil and I think that was one of the reasons they hired JOTA and Chelo to help Fallen in the IGL work, but he is still one of the best AWPs in Brazil, I consider him better than Saffee.
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I think Saffe has more sights than Fallen, with rifle or awp. Fallen is IGL, support and awp, ie he is a much more complete player out that his experience is much greater, which may lack reflection (for me he still has a good response time), he compensates with good positionings and strategies
no better options for IGL support AWP in Brasilho unfortunately
JOTA brnz4n dumau decent I suppose but star riflers alrdy do more than enough in FURIA
KSCERATO is world class he should have a couple of trophies for sure,he could fit in FaZe/G2 tomorrow and would be a stud
arT sometimes goes too far as a player but other than that I believe he's a really smart IGL.
The only change I would do is -drop for obv reasons and + maybe dumau, I can see the roles working with that change, any other change would mean the team need to change rolls a lot.
with art yuurih KSCERATO and dumau on the team saffee doesn't need to zywoo up banana every round for furia to have success just "by the book" counterstrike and he'll be fine.
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-drop +lucaozy??????? -guerri +fallen (coach) or zakk
-saffe
-drop
-art
-guerri
Kscerato (rifler)
Yuurih (rifler)
Chelo (entry)
HEN1 (awp)
Fallen (IGL/SUPPORT/2ND AWP)
The best lineup for FURIA
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hen1 is better than saffee. they could also get an english speaking awper since furia all speak english
these random academy players like drop, ablej, honda are all terrible because furia's academy team is terrible so the players aren't learning anything in the leagues, just find an established rifler in br scene
Maybe they need to hire a better tactical coach too. I said it before, Furia ct side is just random. I remember ppl say about drop : "Wait, he will become better". No, he is not a clutcher, he is passive and he is not sjuush. Vini was a better fit, but I don't know now. It is like Hen1. PPl live in the past. He is really really average against t2 opponent.
Furia misses the boat of nqz and dumau IMO.
The best version would be a mix of 00nation and Furia.
Kcetaro
Yurih
Dumau/ Lucaozy
NQz
taco (sure he is not great, but he is more a structure-based igl). Maybe to many passive players in the mix thought.
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Kind of, but at the same time, they change a lot theirs styles and he is hard working. Also, he takes less space in the team, while Art style is kinda obvious. I'm not saying art is worse than Taco, but furia stales in terms of strats and I don't know if Art can refined their gamestyle. PPl tend to say Furia is a playoff team but they cannot reach or win finals. I feel it is becoming the truth more and more. They lack something in terms of depth to be considered a contender IMO.
The people who pretend like there's a ton of Brazilian talent just waiting in the wings aren't doing any favors to teams like Furia.
I totally agree with you and sympathize. Who the hell are you actually going to replace Art or Saffee with? What Fallen? Hen1? The amount of recycling that gets suggested for BR teams would make a 2015 C9 executive blush.
furia should go to a international lineup, with decent players
-drop +insani/chelo -saffee +nqz
and art do the drop's role as sup while igling pbbly that is the best option they have
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to be literally his first LAN, he did extremely good, and still doing greats matches for mibr since they got eliminated
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you're totally right
Furia is like C9 IMO. They need a big changes, but they are scared of doing it.
-Art -Guerri because it is the main part of their style.
-Nafany -Groove, for the same reason.
Both teams need more than one player change. They have to change their way of playing, but they prefer to patch.
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I think the big question is change and maybe get worse than it is now. Furia and C9 have been a consistent top 15 even though they won no championship expression. Furia made changes with Saffe and Vini and did not impact much, managed to reach more semi-finals, but still missing something. I don't think Nafany and Art are the problem.
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That's my point , Saffe and Vini and did not impact much. So, it is more deep than that.
Like Buster for interz. C9 have 2 top10 players and their results are really bad.
You don't want to change because you're scared to be worse. Then, don't except to win anything. Anything comes with risk and both teams don't take enough risk IMO. Maybe, it is not -Art, but "the philosophy of the team is not good, we will work on that" is just BS easy answer imo.
I'm not saying Kscetaro and Yurih should go international. I think the talent pool in br is okay, but clearly, the team stale and need more than -drop or -Saffee IMO. Same as C9, you have 2 top 20 players and lost to IHC. No offense to IHC, but Faze and Liquid breeze them on the second map.
who cars
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Not reading allat
too long idc about this team, only HONORIS on IEM Brazil, lets goooooooooooo!
well, furia = kscerato, yuriih, art. none of them are a weak link. if you remove one of them you prolly have to rebuild hard
saffee is ok, at very least. drop is their weakest link but dunno if he's actually the real reason why they, for example, failed to qualify for katowice main event
Excellent analysis, I keep thinking about what could be changed for Furia to take this missing step in tier 1.
Saffe was Furia's best awp after Hen1, I don't think Furia's style of play allows an awper to be a superstar so I won't require him to do much more than he does.
Drop is doing little-highlighted and often unfair functions, I liked him for being new and still accepting his supporting role.
I don't think the problem is Art, although often the team depends on him hitting his crazy moves to work. And we all agree it's not Kscerato and Yuurih.
It's a difficult change and I believe the most likely is - Drop. Furia could observe some young talent or try to get some player from 00nation, Mibr or The Plan
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