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1)Elige
2)twistzz
3)Naf
4)Stewie2k
5)Skadoodle
6)Nothing
7)Tarik
8)JDM64
9)Shroud
10)Seangares
I see a lot of top 5's which is pointless I think a top 10 is more appropriate.
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brazil smh. Last major btw. You guys blew it.
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take a chill pill
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Dude it's mad disrespect to not show up when Furia isn't playing. I like brazil but that's a not defendable dude.
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Brazil is finished. Furia is finished. NA nowadays is a way better than Brazil even if we make jokes with ur region.
1. Twistzz
2. Elige
3. Stewie2k
4. Naf (Stewie2k > Naf cuz u know, stewie won major and a couple of t1 tournaments for different teams. We are talking about Greatest of All Time so u know)
5. Tarik
6. Automatic
7. Skadoodle
8. Hiko
9. Nitro
10. RUSH
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Brazil isn't finished lol Furia has a few years more of tier 1 cs in them. The core is in their 20's. Good list btw I forgot to include nitr0.
This list is a big improvement over the OP. JDM and Shroud being top 10?? Swap Naf and Stewie and it's pretty much perfect. I'd put Brehze over Rush because he was a top 5 or 6 rifler and a great player in 2019 and some of 2020 whereas Rush wasn't that great and only won a major.
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Yeah, you are right. The correct #10 is Brehze
BUT about Stewie I disagree because Stewie won a couple of tournaments being entryfragger in a HARD META (post fer/sk) for different teams. Great tournaments like Major for C9, Intel Grand Slam for Liquid. Even playing for MIBR he won a $200,000 tournament. He even won a ProLeague with shroud. Imo the "Greatest of All Time" is not only about aim, you know? But about aim, achievements, collective and things like that. With the exception of EG (Stewie last year), he achieved great things for different teams and its a big deal.
You will ask me: 'Ok, so why isnt Stewie bigger than EliGE then?'
Ill answer: Because ELiGE aim (+ achievements) overcame stewie achievements.
Bro Twistzz isn’t even better than Grim tn
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wtff
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I looked at the stats page 😱 it’s a thing on HLTV
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Sorry I cant understand. Are you saying Grim > Twistzz? My english is bad so Im asking again for understanding.
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Yes, in the past 6 months vs top 5/top 10 teams.
Do you disagree with HLTV stats my dear Brazilian?
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Yes. We are talking about being the Greatest of All Time (status GOAT).
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Do you posess the cognitive power to realize that it is statistically undeniable Grim is better than Twistzz right now?
Answer lil bro
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Bro how low is your reading comprehension? Re-read the name of the thread again and you're realize that we're talking about ALL TIME instead of current form. Go to Twistzz's profile then go to Grim's. You'll notice one has a slider for their achievement's while the other doesn't even have one
yeah you are right sorry.
at the risk that you may be baiting, you're assuming that the set of stats used by hltv render a perfect depiction of reality, thus I can only assume that you're either an idiot or the most naive human being in this shithole of a site, whatever reason, you're wrong, grim is nothing compared with twistzz (yes flair whatever)
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Oh shit I forgot about him LOL. I guess he could be 10th or 9th.
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+1 Stew isn't top 5
Shroud isn't top 10
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He was addition that won liquid trophies and they stopped choking, he's top 3 at worst RN. He has a major and a grand slam and was the part of best liquid roster which were the only team competing against prime Astralis even though they almost always lost. He was mediocre because of his bitch roles and sacrifices in the team
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Learn to read first :D
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1/2/3 Elige/NAF/Twistzz (it doesn't really matter and it depends on what exactly you are ranking. If it's consistency of skill any of them really but Elige probably 1 for more years top 20. If it's achievements Twistzz>NAF>Elige cause NAF has the eleague. If it's overall player peak it's Elige)
4. Stewie
5. Autimatic
6. Tarik
7. Skadoodle
8. Brehze
9. Hiko
10. Nothing
Honorable mention - Nitro probably should be on this list
Would have been the best if not for dog shit rules : Swag
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This ranking is also pretty good. I'm glad we are getting top 10's instead of those pointless top 5 rankings lol.
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I just realize Nitro probably should be 10 instead of Nothing but is what it is.
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Yeah idk why i also forgot about nitr0 in my top 10 he can igl, awp and rifle that's hard to pull off.
For achievements it’s Stewie2k 2nd ofc.
Major > Eleague, he’s the highest earning NA player after Twistzz
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Yeah probably. My point about eleague was just that naf > elige.
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Yeah eleague is looked over
Shroud was influential but was he really ever good?
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Mechanically yes in terms of achievements no.
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hltv.org/stats/players/8349/shroud?match..
No, he wasn't he never played well internationally or made a top 20 list. He was kicked for Tarik and they literally won a major without him.
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rating 1.0 is very flawed if it was the 2.0 rating system his stats would be higher.
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A lot of it has been backdated and just go look at his stats for majors.
hltv.org/stats/players/8349/shroud?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/events/8349/shrou..
Mechanically, yeah. Brain wise, no
Hes talked about it before on stream, how he really struggled to sit and watch VODs and develop game plans.
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+1 I was going to do a top 10 Latin america list but it's obvious who the goats are lol (LG and SK) rosters). I might do a top 20 CIS list tomorrow.
Stanislaw over Shroud he got some tier 1 event wins and Shroud was always one of the weakest players on his team.
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+1
How is Shroud above Hiko, Brehze,Nitr0 and Stanislaw? Even Swag as cringe as he is made a top 20 list and has only been forgotten about because he was popular when the game was less popular.
How is Stew 4? maybe 5 or 6 but not 4.
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I think Stew just has to be four on consistency and achievements.
He was never a top 20 player but he was just outside in 2016/17 (probably should have gotten it in 2016) and in 2019 he was a very good player again right outside top 20.
His form was never incredible just good but he had a talismanic effect on his teammates.
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I disagree he has sort of destroyed his career and forced Nitr0 out of liquid. He wasn't the IGL during the Boston major and was the weakest player for liquid in 2019.
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He actually had a very good 2019. Especially for a guy who was the fourth option on the team and hard entry. Not map control aggressive lurk like Yekindar mind you literally a hard entry to go in front of elige.
hltv.org/stats/players/8797/stewie2k?sta..
And while I agree with you he did destroy his career he was still a good to great player for 3 years and a passable one for an addition 2. In esports that's a pretty good run and like honestly who are we putting above him? I'm open to arguments I just don't see who. Maybe if Brehze had third top 20 finish he could go up pretty quickly.
He was the reason 2019 even started winning something, before stew they used to always choke.
"was the weakest player for liquid in 2019."
Ever heard of roles?? Nitro and stew had the bitch roles and hence were less rated. Nitro even used awp frequently to boost his stats a bit
Like I said list is debatable I'm not a genius with these sort of rankings lol.
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Shroud isn't debatable
hltv.org/stats/players/8349/shroud?match..
That's how Shroud performed internationally and he's not even above someone with a short career like Brehze? Even the deep runs they had in 2016 he was the weakest player by a large margin Stew and Auti were probably the best.
oh the memories
1. fr0d
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I'm too young to know about anything before csgo lol. This is mostly a csgo list.
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ik i'm just messing around, i didn't follow 1.6 back then either but people in 1.6 servers talk about fr0d all the time
Where is ocean??
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My bad.
0.5) Ocean
1)Elige
2)twistzz
3)Naf
4)Stewie2k
5)Skadoodle
6)Nothing
7)Tarik
8)JDM64
9)Shroud
10)Seangares
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I hate to burst your bubble but...
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8137/relt..
and another.
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8347/haze..
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Yes yes. Thank you for reality check. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8349/shro..
And another hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8349/shro..
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Tbh I kind of trolled putting Shroud and seangares on this list it should have been nitr0 at number 10.
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Maybe I'm a new ag but who is s2k lol.
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LOL maybe I'm crazy but I don't know anyone ever calling stewie2k s2k.
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Good list.
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I definitely forgot about Autimatic. Don't think he's above Brehze though, despite being a major winner. Brehze has been top 20 twice (no. 8 and no. 20), 2 more MVPs, and a few more big tourney wins. Updating my list now for Auti and to move Brehze a little higher actually.
1) EliGE
2) Twistzz
3) NAF
4) Stewie2k
5) Tarik
6) nitr0
7) Brehze
8) Autimatic
9) Skadoodle
10) Rush
1. EliGE
2. Twistzz
3. NAF
4. Stewie2k
5. Skadoodle
6. autimatic
7. tarik
8. Brehze / nitr0
9. nitr0 / nitr0
10. Hiko
Honorable mentions
shroud, n0thing, stanislaw
jdm and sgares are not even close to all of those
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JDM is easily top 3 NA awpers of all time. I feel like he deserves to be on the list considering he made it to a major finals.
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I forgot he made it to the cologne 2016 final,he was for a short period of time the best na awper but even that he didnt achieve much. Maybe should be 10 instead of Hiko
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Idk Hiko in his prime was pretty good comparing him to the other riflers in NA at the time. He made multiple top 4 finishes at tier 1 events with such bad teammates. I think he deserves to be in a top 10 list.
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Yeah I trolled should have put nitr0 instead of seangares.
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Top 4 is pretty obvious that's why I wanted to do a top 10 its not realistic to only do a top 5 for an entire region especially a region as big as NA.
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Twistz should be first. Still relevant and won major + grand slam.
Where is auti ? The guy is still playing decent cs and won the major ? Skadoodle is less goat than him IMO.
Where is daps ? He should squeeze around top10. Sure, his trophy cabinet is kinda empty, but he has been around for so long. I kinda agree with the rest.
Honorable mention is Swag. Kinda sad he left the game.
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Seangares could be swapped out and nitr0, daps could be put in but I only had 10 slots to work with.
twistzz
naf
elige
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top 3 is pointless NA is a huge region and has had a cs scene for over 20 years. A top 10 is more appropriate.
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yeah ik, just dont know where to place the rest of em, this is my top 3, at least for active players, all time (go or more versions), i'd have no clue tbh
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If you're unsure just list them and see what others here do for order that's how I updated my list. LOL wish me luck I'm doing a top 20 for CIS region tomorrow.
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i cant bro, been on an all-night-long bender, too fucked up to give this list more thought than the top 3😂
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haha I understand its ok man.
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cheers, enjoy ur day bro
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I admit the seangares pick was pretty troll but I would only considering putting nitr0 in seangares place. Nitr0 awps, igls and rifles all at once that's hard to pull off and once he stopped igling for liquid we saw how hard they declined.
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You can't have the same player 9 times that defeats the point of a top 10.....
best list itt
Hiko underrated and junior is the best
twistzz not #1
stopped reading after that
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+1
I know people hate Thorin here but the man himself also said Elige is the NA goat.
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wasnt that before antwerp?
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I think so idk it was awhile back.
1 twistzz
2 elige
3 stewie2k
4 naf
5 tarik
6 nitr0
7 skadoodle
8 rush
9 brehze
10 hiko
imo
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I think that's a fair ranking.
hiko should be in top 10
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#127
This is my new rankings.
1. Twistzz
2. Elige
3. NAF
4. Stewie2k
5. Skadoodle
6. tarik
7. autimatic
8. hiko
9. brehze
10. N0thing
Even though Elige has higher peak than twistzz, I think 2022 twistzz definitely passed Elige just off achievements. I predict within the next year to two years that NAF will be above Elige, but the top three aren't going to fall outside of top 3 anytime soon.
JDM64, shroud and seangares over autimatic xD
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If I could redo my list I would put nitr0 at 10 and remove seangares.
#127
After feedback I think I made a better list.
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Skadoodle and JDM are good players though.
After seeing everyone's opinion here is my final list. Once again order is debatable
1)Elige
2)twistzz
3)Naf
4)Stewie2k
5)Skadoodle
6)Tarik
7) Nitr0
8) Autimatic
9) Hiko
10) JDM64
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Idk who I would remove if grim and Floppy are in the top 10 maybe people would do top 20s in the future lool.
floppy and grim LMFaO
flair goes hard my man, if you want floppy on the list then soon we will need to include osee as well
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It's the competitive era, grim right now is the best player in the region, and floppy always carry since the start of COL I was including him based on all the clutches he does fot COL but ik because of lack of achievements which will soon come that's why I said they should make their way soon in the list, and nothing wrong with including osee, these young players are competiting in far more competitive era then respected sir skadoodle and sir nothing, the young gen someday or other replaces the new one, this liquid can also still win a major osee is good player
CS:GO only?
Sure it's a respectable list.
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I'm too young to know anything about cs source and cs 1.6. Only been around since 2016.
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Fair enough. ^^
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So you're telling me Stewie2k is worse than Roca, Semphis and Ocean?
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Twistzz
Elige
Naf
Stewie2k
Skadoodle
Tarik
Nothing
Seangares (GOAT NA IGL)
Hiko
Autimatic
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I had seangares as well but I think nitr0 is the goat igl tbh.
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nitr0 has definetly accomplished more. Hes like 11 for me though
Nitr0 7th and JDM out
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He's the second best NA awper of all time I feel like he deserves to be in the top 10. Maybe Osee will surpass him in the future.
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Do you disagree that nitr0 deserves a spot?
Where is Hiko?
shroud is not even top 50
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He never cheated, thats just his style, its similar to k0nfigs and mine.
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Good list, people forget EliGE brought TwistZz up.
0) m0E
1) Twistzz
2) EliGE
3) NAF
4) Stewie
5) Skadoodle
6) prime Brehze
7) Hiko
8) tarik
9) autimatic
10) stanislaw
1. Twistzz
2. ELiGE
3. Stewie2k
4. NAF
5. Brehze
6. n0thing
7. Skadoodle
8. Hiko
9. tarik
10. autimatic
1. Elige
2. Twistzz
3. NAF
4. Stewie
5. Tarik
6. Brehze
7. Autimatic
8. Skadoodle
9. Rush (has a big event mvp and a major)
10. Nitr0 (Obviously not a fragger but legendary IGL)
The order of these 10 can be argued, but considering skill and accomplishments, I don't think shroud, jdm, seangares, and n0thing are ahead of anyone on this list; Hiko, Ethan, and swag are probably 11, 12, and 13 honestly.
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