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Dear fantasy enjoyers,
We're planning on making a round of changes to Fantasy that would include some minor fixes and improvements.
Does something bother you? Or do you know something that could be better? Or do you have an entirely new thing that could improve fantasy?
Please let us know what should we work on! Anything except Roles & Boosters, for that topic I'll make a separate suggestion thread later on.
make zywoo even cheaper
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But both of them will be part of winner team atm
Agreed. Hes so expensive you have to compromise for shit players on the last 4 spots.
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Well, there's not much we can do about it, because once the game starts, we can't allow changes to teams. Because if we do, we'll wrong the ones who won't have the flexibility of a change. And two wrongs won't make it right.
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When a player stand in is announced say 5 days before the tournament starts, but you have already chosen the player they replace, you should be allowed to make a change to that player within the remaining timeframe before it starts, not the whole team just the player that you originally did not choose anyways.
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You can make changes already to your entire team before the event starts?
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I'm not sure what you mean, you can make changes to your team right up until the minute the event starts.
EDIT: gyazo.com/df7ca11c6f63729fa5a823accd67b6..
yes you can
Ye i picked regali for 220k and now i have farlig that cost 180k rip my fantasy on day one
also in the esl partner game nertz left the team and i didnt get fessor? just straight up eliminated
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Should be adjusted now.
That game is a bit all over the place due to the event format and one-by-one scheduling of matches, sorry for that.
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np
I still have Nertz
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What you describe doesn't sound bad to me, actually. For example, for EPL Group D 9/10 most popular players are the ones from NAVI and Liquid. When it comes down to just 2 teams, isn't it boring compared to a wider sensible player choice in terms of value for money?
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What would the price cap be?
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It should be a gamble though. Especially when people like Sh1ro, Zywoo & s1mple can get you so many points. That's the whole point of fantasy, you have to sacrifice somewhere else if you want to get the best player.
i would pick shiro and zywoo in every fantasy if the price is capped at 220k
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Would a simple season-like leaderboard make things more interesting for you?
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a partner games leaderboard that ran alongside the regular spring leaderboard would be great, would reward people actually playing them consistently
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+1 I like this
Prices could even be skins tbh
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+1 plus when buying players, you can see multikill rounds% + dpr but you can't after buying them
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+1 I always have to go to the change lineup screen to see these infos
That's actually something that has been bothering me, but I've never thought of it.
Very good one, thanks! I'll bring it up with the devs.
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some sort of standin protection, i believe it was during CCT west playoffs BNE got replaced with apeks due to them having scheduling conflicts, we should be able to redraft replaced players for 24h or something like that
another thing to consider: price caps, players like zywoo and sh1ro are beginning to break the bank while all silver teams are becoming worse and worse, fantasy is becoming "buy a gold and pick the right bronzes" simulator
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I understand that it is irritating to have stand-ins / team replacements, but as I said in #8, it's hard to do anything about it.
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people would rig that
I think the most performing players are already well-rewarded points-wise. But it's an interesting idea. Will keep it in mind.
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That is actually a very sensible idea. I will bring it up internally, thanks!
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Since two players are picked from same team mostly , u can show most picked combo (like karrigan + Broky) rather than single player picked or maybe both and most popular 5th pick something like that .
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Curious, we'll think about it. The fun stats part of the fantasy is an explorable field.
in general make players from teams with a lower ranking cheaper, cause the risk of being eliminated is way higher
so dont know how you calculate the prices, but maybe u could include a variable x = 1 for the strongest team in the tournement and the var x reduced if the team is lower in the team ranking in comparision to the strongest team
you already have something like that included, but i think some players are still to expensive if you want to gamble
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That's been brought up by many and it makes sense, so yeah, we'll consider it. Thanks.
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I would do something with prices. Right now it's basically impossible to have players like shiro zywoo monesy etc without the must to get 2 or even 3 bad players and pray for god they will perform decent.
Not to mention players from lower teams are way too expensive. Like sometimes its worth picking good player from tier2-3 team but it's no way I will pay 215+ for a player that will most likely get eliminated very quickly
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Both sh1ro+ZywOo are part of winner team atm
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That's due to padding in this format else they won't be .
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They still would be lol
Prices are tricky, yes. I sometimes manually adjust them to create more space for different strategies (top heavy vs. spread out).
In EPL Group C, the current top 1 team has ZywOo. Meaning that, even though you need to pick 2-3 lower-performing players, you're still capable of finishing high. But that's the example of me manually adjusting ZywOo's price to allow that to happen.
So for us to make a substantial change, we need to think more about it and hear more feedback to see if there's a place for reasonable improvement. So thank you for your comment.
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Yeah I saw zywoo's price was reduced and it's indeed a good change so thanks for that.
Im aware it might be tricky and quite hard to change but as I said, most important would be adjusting prices from those lower tier teams. If I remember that correctly there was for example some chineese player playin Tier1 event that cost like 250k. Things like that shouldnt be possible at all
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Regarding the first, I will only say that making fantasy into an app is a very complex task. But thanks for letting us know that's something you would want to see.
For the second, would, for example, a simple leaderboard with no prizes motivate you more? Not saying that we won't consider having prizes with the leaderboard, just for the sake of understanding.
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A seasonal leaderboard with no prizes sounds kinda pointless to me. I'd suggest adding some prizes even if just very cheap ones, for example 10x cheaper prizes than main season leaderboard prizes (so top 3 getting some 500$ - 100$ knives, the reminder of top 10 getting some 30$ playskins or something like that)
you can't see the all players statistics when you're in "team overview"
you can only see all player stats when you're in the "edit lineup"
imgur.com/a/pomFDow
first world problem
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What specifically do you feel is missing for you?
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you can see multikill rounds%/deaths per round while editing/drafting a lineup, you cant while selecting boosters and roles
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I see that, but does it really matter to you? I guess it was made like this because UI space was scarce, so there's not much to be done about it.
Or would you want some other stats to be hidden just so you can see multikill round or death per round?
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Yeah I would like to see multikill round for sure
Yep the ui had all stats shown in team overview like 1-2 years ago but some disappeared in an update 🙂
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hltv.org/fantasy/335/overview
Scroll to the bottom of the page, there's the explanation for fantasy.
Can you go through it, try to make a team, and then tell me if it helped you a bit?
Players from lower ranked teams should be a lot cheaper acor had same price as like NiKo in Rio RMR
Prices should have different method other than pure last 6 month stats whenever some t2 player promoted to t1 team it is not valuable to pick him(like npl being expensive than b1t+electronic first events+headtrick etc)
There can be more boosters to pick
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Also deleting the role leader could be good you already have 6 points for winning
That would make ppl stop picking hooxi/karrigan+gold every fantasy
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whats wrong in picking karrigan and hooxi?
lower the padding system or change it entirely, a player can have one good game and get 40-50 padding c:
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this
Padding "predicts" what performance a player would have if he played the round they skip. It usually takes at least two games to form padding points.
Sometimes, of course, players would have two incredible performances in the two first games. Do you think it hurts to "extend" their form to the match where they earn Padding?
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Padding would make more sense, if you instead of adding points discounted the players who had more matches to play. That way all the points come from actual performances of the players with more games instead of speculative extra games. If one player has 3 games and another 4 games, you'd multiply the latter's points by 3/4. If another player has 5 games, then you multiply his points by 3/5.
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Ye or just a more reasonable padding cause like for epl they play 2 games w one usually very weak team on first game so then you just 50 point padding which is rare for bo3 but idk how you fix it maybe do it with 3 month average so like ppl don’t just pick shiro nafany and get a ton of point for nafany which isn’t realistic
We can see most of the Fantasy things on scorboard during the match but after the match we can not. (Like multi kills, 1vX wins.) You can add some of this stats to "Detailed stats" section. So we can look at these stats at the end of the match and pick players accordingly in other fantasy tournaments.
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That also makes sense, even though also goes beyond fantasy itself.
But I'll bring it up as well. Thanks!
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I'm not sure how u could integrate this but would love a hltv pay2play fantasy league..
say €10 euro to enter, then prize pool gets split between top5, hltv can even take a cut or commission?
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I guess to consider that the fantasy community should grow bigger first.
Thanks for letting us know about your interest in such a thing!
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If you'll encounter the bug or someone who had it recently, please let us know.
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Save it, you will be heard later!
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First of all, thank you for reaching out to the community and reading the suggestions :)
I have a small compatibility/responsiveness suggestion: on the mobile phone version of the website, when assigning boosters/roles, it would be really nice to have a "power view", the same way as on the desktop version. This would make it easier to assign boosters/roles on the go, without having to switch the website to its desktop version on the phone.
Thank you :)
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Another thing I missed myself but never thought of it as a potential space for improvement.
Thanks, will bring it up with the devs!
Make a own league from partner games (Partner League) every season. Make the prices to be like a HLTV shirts or CS:GO skins or something kinda little.
Partner games right now are just trying to play every game super risky to end in top3. Obviously this doesn't work 99% of the time and you end up without any prices. Creating a smaller league for partner events would make people take the partner games more seriously.
Prices are good atm.
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Thanks for your interest, we'll consider that!
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We have Pick'Em bracket prediction for big tournaments. Check out EPL event page before playoffs, I guess there should be one.
I have some suggestions.
Id make players from teams like rare atom like 10k cheaper each. Imo they shouldnt have 4 silvers because not only are they the lowest seed in the group, but their stats are against non tier 1 teams whereas this is a tier 1 event.
I always liked the idea of a substitute. Like either have a separate budget for 1 sub for under 200,000 or have the overall price of the team as 6 players for 1,200,000. Either have it so people can sub out when they want, or have it so you can make 1 sub an event, or have it so you can only sub out a player that changes. So lets say in group d of epl, perfecto plays 1 game then gets sick. You could sub out perfecto only for your sub player.
On the details page when your on a team in a live event, you cant see which boosters hit on specific players. I can see karrigan hit a booster for me in faze vs nip but it doesnt show which booster. It also shows all the boosters that hit at the bottom but doesnt show WHO hit them. This is pretty small but helps with researching past teams.
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1. Price adjustments for lower-ranked teams are tricky, but we'll think about it.
2. Substitute is an interesting idea to address the player change problem, but this concept has a problem of its own. F.e., those who picked HooXi will benefit greatly from someone of ±200K replacing him.
3. This is a very reasonable suggestion, something that I felt was wrong but never thought of myself. Thanks!
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1. Great ty
2. Yes that did come to mind. Thats why i suggested you could only sub hooxi out for your sub if he was unable to play. So most of the time all the players can play with your sub just sat on the bench, no problem, but if something does come up, that 1 player can be subbed out only. And yes your point still stands that if hooxi was sick and got replaced by someone for 200k, then they would have an advantage but its still extremely hit or miss given the current system. Another solution would be you could sell the sick player and only get a player for the price or less? I think that would work but if you had the cheapest player available and had to sell him, there would be no one left to buy. Another solution could be you get to pick your sub player out of a set group of player predetermined by you. That way you get to decide who is no overpowered so its balanced, but people still feel like they get a choice on whos going to be on their team
3. No problem! Its great that your reaching out to the coumuinty like this, its much appreciated.
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Anything except Roles & Boosters, for that topic I'll make a separate suggestion thread later on.
sorry, but I'll forget to write in the next post. I think we need to change the stathunter role - it should trigger the maximum bonus not with a 1.4 rating, but with 1.35, it will be more honest, experienced players rarely use stathunter.
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That's something we'll probably do to this and other roles that are mostly unusable now. Thanks for feedback!
Hi! :D
1. I have a guestion about esl challenger league season 44. I had flamie in team, later 1win changed him for forester. Right now i have points for forester in 1 match but in second game for boombl4 who was LATER subb. Imo kinda unclear and even unfair.
2. Also what do you think about giving 2pts for a 2:1 win on the igl role? Imo this is sooo OP role :P
ESL Challenger League S44 Europe
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1. Looking into it now.
2. That's actually very interesting. Thank you, we'll think about it! If you have any other ideas for roles/boosters, please make sure to write them down in a thread I'll make later one dedicated to this topic.
make it possible for "worst team wins" leagues to actually rank the participants inversely.
on that note, being able to choose from a bunch of different, eh, main objectives for the league would be nice. like being able to score based on roles only, or on boosters only, or performance only. or that only kills provide points, for example. or, team with most aces wins. or team with most zeus/knife kills.
if you make a flexible base for how custom rules would be enabled, almost anything could be done with it. I'm sure people would come up with a gazillion exciting formats. It'd also be easy to try out some balancing changes with slightly adjusted leagues.
Ie., you could show all the statistics you track for a custom league format and then make it possible to score each one individually as the league creator wishes.
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Those are reasonable ideas. We'll think about it, thanks!
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That's our priority for the fantasy update, including game updates. Thank you for your comment!
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Yes, we're planning to tweak them. If you'll have any particular ideas, feel free to leave a comment in a thread I'll make that will be dedicated to roles/boosters specifically.
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Last minute stand-ins should be granted bonus/penalisation depends on the price of the player that fantasy player has chosen & the player it got swapped for.
Example: I've deko on the team, he can't play and some other AWP player will stand-in for him. Deko is really expensive player and if he gets swapped for player who isn't even gold for example. Fantasy player should get some bonus points/percantage to gain as it's literally money wasted
This would go the other way around if a silver-rated awper would get swapped with deko, you should get decrease in points as you are over your budget.
(Chose to do example with deko, as he's very expensive)
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That's actually a curious idea. I'll write it down so it's not forgotten. Thanks!
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That's in our plans, yes.
You guys could add the coach on the team. His points could be based on the combined rating of all players from his team in the match divided by 5. He also gets victory/loss points but no role/boosters for the coach
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That would be a reasonable advancement to fantasy, but it'd require a significant UI rework to make it work.
But I'll write it down so we won't forget about it, thanks!
maybe booster of how many fistbump performed by the the coach
dynamic pricing! sometimes we see T2 players cost like 230K in t1 events due to farming vs t2 opponents and then i would like to pick them but they aren't worth the 230K so if it would be possible to lower expensive t2 players costs while playing vs t1 opposition. IN EPL D for example rare atom players cost way too much to even justify picking vs this T1 opposition so that would be nice to get fixed!
this one might be a bit controversial but i think boosters suck and should be removed. the #1 team always has like 50+ booster points and like getting the knife or nade booster and 30 bomb is honestly pure luck and i would love to see them getting removed/changed
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Pricing is something we'll be considering, but it's a tricky thing to address properly.
As for boosters, we'll be tweaking them to make them a bit more reasonable. Hope that will make you more happy about the way they impact the game.
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alrighty thanks alot!
I see everyone is always using the same six roles for their teams. i'd like to see some kind of rework to make the more useless roles like clutch king usable.
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That will be addressed, yes. Make sure to share if you'll have some specific ideas in the thread I'll make dedicated to roles/boosters!
make the previous seasons' fantasies visible, i wanna re-live my glory days
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+1 to this!
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Would be nice to be able to see on the hltv profile the rankings from the different seasons you participate in. Achievements too if you finish top 10 for exemple
It's in our plans! Hopefully, we'll be able to do it in near future.
I think the padding system should be adjusted. Right now the way to win in most fantasies is to guess which teams will get the padding bonus and you are good to go.
It doesn't really allow for more interesting lineups like picking players that will do good stat wise but team wise bad...
It should be possible to put boosters more in advance. For example you have match that starts at 12:00, ends at 13:00 and next match starts 13:30 you have basically only 30 minute window for your booster.
For this one i don't know if you can influence it but when match ends and you have stats from the match page you don't see how many assist each player got, you only see K-D.
It would be easy to add K-D-A.
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1. That's an understandable take. The team result / personal performance balance is not something that has the right balance, it's subjective. But thanks for the feedback, you're heard!
2. I understand the issue and maybe we could think of a solution that would allow setting boosters in advance in events that are really tight schedule-wise. I'll write this one down for consideration.
3. Another player already brought it up, I'll forward it to the devs. Thanks!
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That's a popular request, we'll consider it. Thanks!
Firstly, thank you for reaching out!
Overall I think fantasy works very well and that it is well balanced.
If I were to make one wish, which I also think could benefit the traffic of the site, it would be a bit more catering towards the people who create their own leagues.
Me and around 15 of my friends mostly use fantasy for bragging rights against each other, and don't play to try to achieve prizes in the seasons. It would be fun to see some stats or fun facts after and during a tournament, i.e. this guy made the worst pick of the tournament; karrigan went -40. Or: This guy made the best pick for the price, jackz overperformed his valuation by going + 45 or whatever.
I'm not 100% sure how it would work, but it would be cool to emphasize the ability for people to create leagues of their own to play with their friends. I'm sure there are many additions that could be made in this regard
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Leagues are certainly a field that has a lot of opportunity, but I'm afraid that's not something we'll put a lot of focus on in the nearest future. There's plenty of things to be better in the fantasy play itself.
The fun stats part of the fantasy is an explorable field as well.
Thank you for your feedback, you've been heard!
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You actually can, there's a horizontal scroll to Settings.
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Roles like Clutch king and attacker are too hard to trigger
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We recognize that and will most likely address that in the update. If you have more specific ideas, please save them for a thread I'll create later that will be specifically dedicated to roles/boosters!
In event formats where the first match is BO1 and after that matches are BO3 it would be nice to somehow balance/reduce the points you can get from the BO1. Feels stupid that those BO1 can basically determine the result of the fantasy. For example, a player gets a 2.0 rating in the BO1 against some less competent team and then plays two BO3 with lets say 1.05 rating. With current point system he will have much more points than someone who plays the BO1 and two BO3s with like 1.20 rating.
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Yes, it's actually the thing that was brought up the most. We'll consider that. Thanks for feedback!
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Interesting idea, worthy to keep in mind. Thanks!
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We're actually hoping to do it with this update. Thanks for letting us know you want to see this feature!
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Yeah, it's actually a sensible idea. Thanks!
Can we go old cs 1.6 mode fantasy,when we could get profit from player performance and we could sell and buy players during tournament,because this fantasys make nosense tbh,because it`s like you are playing lottery with numbers you have picked. Also sniper role has way too small to trigger i think you should increase percentage on round kills with awp Choke booster should go on game winning round which was lost so if the team has OT advantage and didn`t close the game it should be triggered as well
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CS 1.6 style fantasy is indeed a curious idea but you should understand that it's a massive project to change the game in a such drastic way. Something to consider for the future, though.
Roles/booster tweaks are reasonable, we'll likely make them. If you have any more such ideas, make sure to join the discussion in the thread I'll make specifically for these topics.
In 1.6 the fantasy was much more fun. After each day the markets would open and you could sell and buy new players who were playing the following day so the whole experience was way more dynamic and strategical. It also let's you have 5 players who are active in the event for the whole duration instead of players who get eliminated and therefore don't take part in your team.
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#139.
Thanks for your feedback!
I think fantasy is quite good like it is now. Thanks for asking. Below are some thoughts though.
Well this is kinda booster thing, but I would like to be able to put more boosters beforehand in case of life happening: In most tournament the next round of boosters is only not possible because the opponent is not clear. But the match will happen regardless on who the opponent is, so I think its unnecessary to not be able to put boosters. Being able to know the opponent will often make your pick better, but its still better to be able to put something than nothing. At least at the beginning of tournament when there is no elimination matches, there will always be the next game. And preferably also on other games so that it refunds the booster if the team drops.
Team-winning and -losing points is too high in my opinion. It makes bad players in good teams too good and good player on bad teams too bad. I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, just one or two points less. It even stacks so much with the leader-role, win-more essentially.
I would have to have quick link / list of all my current teams from which I can easily change between teams. I have such link inside a tournament between fantasy games, but not between tournaments.
Tournaments that have just ended should stay on different colour for few days, instead of becoming same old grey as the older tournaments instantly. Especially a problem on the pro league where its easy to confuse which group is on right now and on partner games where more tournaments are displayed. And its also annoying that it becomes grey the instant the last game ends. Usually I do want to go check how I did, especially if I wasnt able to follow the progress actively.
And finally, like many have said, bad teams coming from lower tiers or overseas usually get too high points because their inflated stats against worse teams and should get bigger discount because of ranking. Balance is hard, I know.
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1. We're planning on allowing to set boosters for round 1 even if the matches are unknown. That's something you should appreciate for sure, even though it's not something that happens too often. For everything else, maybe allowing more flexibility is something we should consider. But the current way was made for a reason, fantasy is meant to be actively played throughout.
2. Thank you for your opinion. Team / player performance is not something you can objectively make right but community opinion is something that can base our judgment on, so thank you for your feedback.
3. Hmm, we might consider that. Thanks!
4. Didn't have a problem myself, but I'll be paying attention to that from now on. Maybe we'll considering some tweaks later.
5. That's something that has been brought up a lot, and we'll considering doing some sort of changes to that.
Thanks for your extensive feedback, appreciate it!
Choke - absolutely useless booster that triggers once in a lifetime, why not change it for example on player gets MVP of the match?
Details page is super inconvinient, it's just overcomplicated. I suggest deliting it and adding "Details" button under player nickname, when you click on it subcontext window appear and all the info is gathered there. But ofc it should be optimized because as I said "details page" is overcomplicated, it should be presented in a more clear way.
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That's actually the way we're planning to change it!
Where should the details button under a player card lead you?
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I'm not a hard-core fantasy player but have participated here and there. Imo maybe add some more boosters since some are not that useful (those that trigger very rarely) for example the most pistol kills in a match/any map of the match or/and most smg kills (idk how big of a pain it would be to track such kills). Maybe also something like 'Mr. Inconsistent' where player posts a good rating in one map but a poor one in another during the match. Idk but boosters would be something i'd wish to see more from
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Yeah, we'll make some changes to boosters and roles. If you'll have any other ideas, please leave a message in a thread that I'll make that will be dedicated to this topic later on!
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Previous seasons stats is something we hope to introduce in the next couple of month.
As for playing with player prices, there's a lot of things we could experiment with indeed. Maybe you'll see something like this in the future!
Bump!
I'm not sure, if this needs to be fixed, or it is only my OS/Browser or whatever, but:
Whenever I click on player to see his stats on already picked team, his name (up of the points) moves by like several pixels down (you can clearly see it compared to other players). Since there is no need for additional space in the info, I am convinced, that it is either a bug or something else.
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Oh yeah, weird. Doesn't really interfere with anything, but I'll bring it up. Thanks!
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Thank you for fixing it in the future, I wanted this to be fixed for really long time now!
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We're actually thinking about making a booster for blind kills, but not sure if we specifically receive that info. The same applies to noscope, but also that it can be rather rare event.
Thanks! Please let us know about other ideas about roles/booster in the thread that will go up in the next few days!
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We'll be considering the pricing adjustment based on team's ranking. Not sure if we'll end up doing it, but it's on the table.
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This way, it will copy the role, which doesn't really make sense.
Please let us know about other ideas about roles/booster in the thread that will go up in the next few days!
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I have no complaints except dumb boosters(zeus/knife kill,choke,aimbot,kobe)
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We'll make sure that they're less dumb after the upcoming update. Thanks for your feedback!
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kobe = most utlity dmg
choke = win 1st half but lose map or win 1st map lose bo3
aimbot = Its highest % now I think so make it most headshots
zeus/knife = idk
what do you think
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For kobe, we'll set the threshold for UD which will activate the booster (150-200). For rest, wait and see what we've come up wit. Also join the discussion in a thread dedicated to roles and boosters I will make in the next few days.
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I will,thank you
make the community leagues have customized budgets, so we can create our all star teams and also have more fun themes than 'worst team wins'
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Curious idea, shouldn't be hard to do. Will write it down!
I would add an autopick feature, which would automatically pick roles/boosters for any given team based on previous activation percentages. I know that it sounds a little bit like a cheat but hear me out - past does not always reflect on future, players change teams, sometimes they play different roles on different maps and there are a lot of different scenarios that players who analyze and think deeply can benefit from. For the rest of us on the other hand it would be a welcoming QOL feature.
Also prices could use some fine-tuning, 252k Zywoo was an unpickable overkill but on the other hand players from teams that are hard underdogs (e.g. Rooster in relation to current fantasy) should be made far cheaper to enable players reason to what they pick.
These are just my thoughts, let me know what do you think
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1. I don't think it corresponds well with the idea of fantasy as we have right now. That it's meant to be played. And even though auto-pick it could be fair to those who are not available to play fantasy daily, the benefit from the majority of players taking some effort to pick booster is still higher.
2. We're making manual adjustment to top player prices. I believe that made ZywOo pickable in the last game. As for lower ranked teams, I think we'll consider making them more sensible picks.
Thank you for your feedback!
I don’t know if anyone else suggested this, but I would like more info then just the ten most picked players. Like, what players do the people ranked above me have? What players/teams need to underperform for me to gain positions? Just a general better overview of what is happening in the current league.
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The fun stats part of the fantasy is an explorable field, but I'm not sure if we'll have dev time in this round of updates to make substantial improvements on that part. But we have something for you in our plans, so hopefully, we can do it soon!
Thank you for your comment!
I won a skin for 3rd place here but have not heard from anyone. Can you help me?
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No worries, you'll be contacted either today or tomorrow
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axaxaxa scammaz
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Not gonna lie u should actually add a nice bracket to show all matches and possibly matches in the fantasy itself. It kinda suck to open another window to see the real bracket. Also should have a multiplier for teams that wasn't supposed to win games. Like damn why I should buy someone form rare atom knowing they can possibly win just a game and the best player will score like 6 points if I'm lucky enough.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I believe such implementation would be too complex for us to do with how many plans we have this time. But we'll keep it in mind, and maybe add better shortcuts to the event page. Thanks for sharing!
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I believe the average ATR for this would be 1-4% even for HooXi, but I appreciate the comment! If you have other ideas, please leave us a message in the booster/roles dedicated thread that will go up in the next few days!
5 pts is too less for such difficult booster
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Some new booster are needed for sure, maybe just add a few more overall.
1. Most pistol kills / x or more pistol kills on a map would be really solid.
2. Maybe one with most utility damage?
3. Most defused bombs / planted bombs would be pretty funny even tho it's pretty much pure luck.
4. Pistol killer could make a decent role as well. Could balance roles a bit to favor worse players also, who are great with pistols. Should make it like over x pistol kills per round imo.
5. Most ADR in a map. Good one also.
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1-4 were actually my ideas as well! 5 is also curious.
Thank you very much! If you have any ideas, please save them for a thread dedicated to roles/boosters that I'm planning to post in the next few days
Most of the problems have already been mentioned but the message board feels pretty useless now. It tells only selected info when palyers are performing really well or really bad. I'm not sure if it would be better to tell stuff of every player after game on just report about standings and when someone is eliminated. What I do miss is that it would tell how many points you scored when the tournament is over. Like "team is top 44% after finals and you earned 4 points". Now it only shows the first part and for points you have to scoll to the bottom of the page. Also it could tell when players get padding points. Maybe not how much but kinda "hi go check this".
This is something I might just have missed but is it possible to change players on your team after you have bought the team but before tournament starts? Or like delete your team and start over before the deadline? If don't, this could help with sub changes and stuff.
I really do like the idea of leader boad to partner games. Prizes are a plus.
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1. Messages board is actually that could be improved yet it's something we haven't yet considered. Thank you for these ideas, I'll write this down!
2. You can actually do it now via Settings button on the page with your team.
Thanks for feedback!
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Thanks! I though there must be a button, now I just have to find it :D
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1. I understand where you're coming from, but I believe such implementation would be too complex for us to do with how many plans we have this time. But we'll keep it in mind, and maybe add better shortcuts to the event page.
2. We're trying to manually adjust prices in such cases, like with ZywOo in Group C game (and it enabled the team picking him to be top 1 as of now)
it is important to see the tournament format to pick the right team thus a direct link to the event bracket from fantasy would be nice, like u did from event page to fantasy.
removing some shit boosters and adding some new ones, making some kind of rotation. maybe instead of grenade kills total utility damage, the other idea would be a team booster instead of just player, like:
-team won an eco/force buy
-team knife instead of just knife to improve the chances since it usually is non existing chance to get it
-maybe player gets X shotgun kills booster since they have low usage compared to knife kills xD
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Hey, all of this has been brought up before in some way, but these are good ideas. Thanks!
I know there isn't much you guys can do about the stand-in/replacement team situation but a way around it could be, you are able to change players that are not currently playing/have not played already to players who have also not played a game yet. This makes it so the players can't cheat by choosing the players performing the best in ongoing games but would still allow people to fix their teams that have a player/players they didn't sign up for.
This system seems to work pretty well in other fantasy games like fantasy football so I dont see why this wouldn't work other than it being a big change and maybe rather difficult to implement.
Other than that I love the fantasy and keep it up!
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That's actually a decent idea to consider, thanks!
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No problem! happy to help :D
this is related to booster assigning, not the booster itself
would be nice if you could preassign boosters for the upcoming matches, like you could do previously in EPLs. It would help people who might not have time to assing boosters in tightly scheduled tournaments and those who tend to forget it
i guess its not possible because the match hasnt been generated yet or smth, but still
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1. The way it works now is the intended feature so people are more actively involved in playing. There's one idea to just slightly improve this process in works, though.
2. Not sure if we'll have time for any fun stats, although it's a nice field to explore, but thanks for bringing this up!
+1
it says endpoint and monte are eliminated even though they are just in the lower bracket and nertz didnt get replaced by fessor and instead just got eliminated aswell
ESL Challenger League S44 Europe
NertZ
HeavyGod
Djoko
Kylar
sdy
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That tournament turned out to be a bigger mess than anticipated as matches are scheduled one-by-one, and without matches, the game thinks the players are eliminated. Hopefully, it'll get better closer to the end. Sorry :(
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I know it have been mentioned before, but padding is abit skewered, which clearly shows in the esl groups. A player like Karrigan that usually just make positive points, now gets padded completly insane cause of the teams he is playing against where t2. I understand that Zywoo and Shiro, who are both star players make a lot of points. But in general maybe tone down the amount of points that fantasy generate.
Or you could do like they do in football fantasy leagues and make it based on the cost of the player, So that Zywoo who costs 250k changes his price when doing well, and so does Karrigan that costs 160k. So a kill adds 1k to value and a death removes 500 or something. Idk with values and such and it might be a bad idea considering the amount of work you have to do, to overhaul the entire fantasy section.
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1. We're not sure if there's any way to sensibly change padding, but we hear you
2. The price of players changes from game to game based on rating, so not sure what you mean.
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I mean the overall system, instead of players having a one time cost and then they just score points for you. They would have an initial cost and then the price would change because of their performance, which would also mean you should be able to swap out players in between rounds. And then instead of generating the most points, its about generating the biggest profit from your starting budget. I hope this makes a bit more sense
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What do you mean?
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This probably won’t happen but could make it so you can see the fantasies a player participated in and have their team they had picked shown on their hltv page? You could also make it a separate page if it creates too much room. For example let’s say I watch an unfriendlyv video and am curious too see how he did after the game was finished, then I would have to ask how he did hoping for a response instead.
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We're considering adding this feature. Thanks for your message!
*Make fantasy possible in the HLTV app. So frustrating to navigate through the web on your phone all the time. I've written this on several platforms before.
*Make a t2 season instead of having "partner games". Where people tend to just pick random teams to get a top 1-3 placing. With a season, users will have to think a little and be their own analysts.
*Make a fantasy profile so we can look at users statistics. For example: Watch previous seasons, placements and also the users most picked players and roles.
*Make the function that users can add their twitter/socials to their profile. So the "bird" is next to the users name.
*Many people ask about my placements/teams etc. So being able to look it up yourself would be great. Keep in mind though, to hide the users team until the tournament starts, this for not being able to copy another users lineup.
*Give out other prizes aswell like jerseys or gear.
*Achievements and avatars.
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1. Understandable request, but it's a really complex task to make it work and make it better than the browser, so it's not planned to be put in the works in the near future.
2. We'll consider doing it, yes!
3. That's, or something similar, also in the plans!
4. Not sure that it's very relevant to most people, you can have it in bio of your profile after all
5. That's something similar to 3, that's something we're considering.
6. If we'll end up having a tier 2 season, such a prize pool is more than likely!
7. We're hoping to make season results badges in this update if there's time.
Thank you for feedback!
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-I haven't had an eliminated player in awhile so i don't know whether it's already been changed or not but giving them a penalty for that seems like overkill. Being eliminated and not getting points from another match is already enough of a penalty as is.
- Another interesting idea to me is giving roles more breakpoints and give more points so you can really play into them. Something that comes to mind for me here is for example K0nfig generally get a lot of kills but also dies a lot so his rating stays relatively low it would seem fun to me to have a role like fraghunter that is based on raw kills instead of actual rating that could work well for a player like k0nfig. I think this rewards the people who really know the playstyle of players and give them specific but highly rewarding roles. Just an idea tho
This might be too complex a suggestion but I feel like the game would be more interesting if the role parameters were fluid based on recent stats (or even stats from the ongoing tournament) rather than fixed numbers.
For example, instead of the Main AWP role always triggering max points for <0.25 AWP KPR, it could calculate the average AWP KPR stats for the last 3 months, and use that number instead.
This would help roles keep up with the meta and with the changing playstyles of the top teams without having to be manually adjusted all the time (or becoming stale/useless like some roles currently are).
Right now we are seeing the game become more T sided so the Attacker role could become useful again, but last year when the game was heavily CT sided, that role was completely useless for the entire year. If its triggers had been adjusted over the average T side stats, making it a little easier to trigger than the Defender role, it could have still been used.
The Camper role would also be affected. We are seeing more and more saves in the current meta after Outsiders won the major. This role is becoming easier and easier to trigger, so perhaps it should be adjusted slightly in order to incentivize people to pick other, more appropriate roles.
I liked it before when you could assign boosters for future rounds in advance
I was thinking about this the other day - if there was a way to search for specific user's fantasies on the leaderboards, that would be cool, maybe you could wait until the fantasy starts so teams can't just get copied, but it would be cool to search for launders or prof's teams as the event is going to see how they're doing, if you have a leaderboard for players like that.
also a way to see all teams with a specific set of players so you can see which team is the best at roles/boosters, for example searching to find which
zywoo - apex - karrigan - twistzz - konfig
team is the highest on the leaderboards because there's so many.
I`d love to see Progressive points for players that go all the way in the events so they have an advantage of going far and perhaps of 3ppw double add extra 3 each time, 3/6/9/12
Also current system with pending points based on performance is very disappointing, Perhaps, keep it on a flat number.
T2 events should be a part of regular season, without them it is very boring and does not reward the actual knowledge, just pick top3 teams and enjoy top12% is just a waste.
Player Prices are extremely unfair, perhaps, there should be a point system to figure out the price ( something like Goal coefficients which are decided on how important goals are in certain Leagues) For example Player from NA with 1.3 raiting is not the same as EU with same raiting and kef should be like 1 for EU .9 for NA .9 for BR .7 for Asia so then you would be able to transfer all this into relevat pricings.
I would give you more, but i`m currently ill and these are just the oes that came on top of my mind,..
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1st part sounds horrible, it is just like those small wheels for children bicycles... One of main things in fantasy is picking correct roles, which is fully your choice. 2nd part is true.
If u replace a team, pls make sure that sniper takes sniper's place.
It would've been great if there was an opportunity to simulate brackets.
Make it possible to place booster for the rounds where opponent is not defined like it was before.
Maybe a way to make it so that the price considers the level of competition against which the player got their rating compared to other players in the . Right now it's usually unviable to pick players from tier 2 teams if you want to do something different because top tier 2 players get really good ratings against their usual competition while not often coming close to that against tier 1.
Most needed improvements are QOL imo, the actual game outside of some boosters and roles is fine
-Easier way to pre assign boosters
-Subs get properly subbed in and you get points (it seems this is manually done right now, which is an issue for smaller events)
-Proper prices for lower tier scenes. The problem is actually not that bad among European t2 teams, it’s really only an issue where a team that dominates their lower tier region and gets good ratings, and their prices become less worth it to pick as a result. See gray hound vs nip prices in the most recent event, basically the same or better for nip even though they were expected (lol) to go farther and much higher ranked.
In terms of solving the last one maybe look at win rate vs ranking. If a team wins a lot but is low rated it usually indicates that they are winning in a lower tier region.
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I’ll also add one more thing, bo1s vs bo3s. Basically bo1s overly reward a player who over performs or punish a player who under performs, meaning they can be the most average player for the event but still out score or under score someone who has better stats in general. The solution to this is to give the player (and any players who padding out of a bo1 round) 1/3 of the player (rating) points from bo1s, 3/3 from bo3s, and 5/3s from bo5s.
Basically it’s always easier to have higer/lower stats over less maps in a series, and the rating points should reflect that
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+ i got an idea to make boosters more fun it means for example if you assign '30 bomb' and player will make 40 u will get extra points. May another 5, may only 2 but it would be nice addition to the game. Of course it has to be make kinda hard to get and should happens in not much games :D
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That is possible when there is a round-robin format so matches are already decided
For eg in current format of EPL u don't know which team would play whom next nd how many matches a team would play and that is why boosters cannot be locked for future matches
Assume you apply boosters for 5 matches while the team loses 3 matches and get knocked out
FYI this system is still present in round-robin formats
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Hey Dimitri, thanks for this thread
I really thing there should be some tweaks in the padding system
For eg. During ESL groups only those teams should be given padding points that are placed 1st and 2nd in the groups as these were the teams who went 2-0 while the other teams (when they qualify) shouldn't be given padding points as they got many more chances to get to the playoffs
Moreover, any team that is playing less matches by virtue of it's better performance should be given padding points for each additional matchday that the other teams are playing
For eg. In Group C, Faze and Vitality have played 2 matches only and let's say Faze wins the group, they will only play 3 matches and get padding only twice while teams like OG/NIP, 00Nation will play at least 5 matches and will even receive padding once they qualify.
Some idea for boosters
"Farming" - players make 5 kills from SMG
"Eco smasher" - players make 4 kills on Eco round and win the round
I think you can add more intresting booster. Because NAVI it's team who can win eco with 50%, so it's will be intresting booster. Something like this
The Chocker booster needs to go. I would rather have a booster like "Team will lose 7 or more consecutive rounds" since you could play with the map veto to get it right.
Other booster ideas I have:
Eco-Friendly - Player gets the most kills on players using pistols on a map
Rambo - Player gets 8 or more MP9 kills on a map
Smooth Criminal - Player gets 7 or more through smoke kills on a map (Something similar for kills while being flashed?)
I don't have a name for it - a player gets the most kills over the top performer from the opposite team
Also no name - the Player loses 5 or more consecutive opening duels. (There should be more boosters that could be applied to bad players).
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and it annoys me when the choker booster doesnt trigger when the team chokes on 18-17
Please lower the price of players who primarily play in tier 2 or lower. Swisher from ATK is currently $204,000 in fantasy because he farms rating from tier1000 NA teams, meanwhile b1t from NaVi is under $200,000 because he only plays in S tier events. No sane fantasy player will ever choose Swisher at such a high price when we know that his real value is closer to HooXi.
I'd personally love more events with fantasy!
Sometimes, the role doesn't count as "5pts"
For example, if you have the "HS Machine" role and the player gets 60.0% headshot, it doesn't count as 5pts, I know it's "above 60%" but still, can you change it to "60% or above", so 60.0% is included?
Anyway
the Clutch King role is useless, even best clutchers would have better results with another role, the max bonus is >0.04 clutch per round, which is 1/25, on average, best clutchers have had something around 0.02 clutch per round, I suggest you make the Clutch King role around 0.02 or 0.025 for the max bonus
Sometimes I'm not aware teams will play more than one series in a short period of time, which makes me forget to assign boosters
Maybe there could be some sort of notification or warning for such situations?
I'm not sure if I'll reply to new messages from now on, but be sure I'll read every single one.
We appreciate your feedback!
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i like the fact you adjusted the price of spinx cuz everyone was picking him
magisk is cheaper in playoffs despite having higher rating in last 6 months
most picked players should be adjusted so ppl shouldn pick same players most of the time
1. If it's possible I would like to have the fantasy on the HLTV app, so I atleast could check how my fantasy is doing instead of having to google hltv and go into fantasy cause it takes a while to load hltv on google for some reason
2. i think it would be lovely if you could check how many points a player would have, like if you are juggling between choosing 2 players so it would be sick if you could check how much the player would have gotten if you had picked that player
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+1
More info how get prize xd((
Just wondering, I got 3rd place on HLTV a while back and I got my prize but it was supposed to be a bowman knife instead of an AK redline. I emailed the person who emailed me about the prize but there was no response. It was a long time ago, but shouldn't people be held accountable for at least giving the right prize?
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Can't find you on my docs, please DM me the game you won.
adjust the booster point system for bo1's so that it would be better to risk the booster on that over a bo3.
More of a stats feature than a fantasy feature itself, but being able to see stats like for example support% multikill rounds etc in other timestamps than the last 6 months would be nice because they could be more accurate in the terms of the player's current form and role in the team (Maybe its just that i havent been able to find the stats myself on the player page myself but im pretty sure theyre just not in any other place than on the player card in fantasy mode :D)
I think that if a player is picked by 80% or more players then he is too cheap and if a player is never picked then he is too expensive
I don't know how to make it fair but weaker teams can't be so expensive, Mercury from Rare Atom is one of the most expensive silvers and imo it makes no sense that a team so "weak" in comparison has such high prices, you would never be rewarded with a gamble pick on some of their players (no hate towards rare atom, just the most recent example I can make) and I know their prices are already adjusted but 203 for jamyoung when you can get elige for the same price feels wrong
And I think the support role is a bit misleading because it says rounds that a player assists, survives or gets traded but if a player gets a kill and survives the round it won't count as a "survived" round because he also killed, I had plenty of players where that happened
- stats shown being different on the buy page and on the team page.
- padding/points system, I think you should look into making a point limit per game like sorare as for example, it's so unfair to others when a player just gets a random 2, 2.5 rating from a BO1 against a low team, and unless you have that player there is no chance of you winning, specially because then they most likely have their padding also absurdly high. Make it a 40/50 points limit per match or something.
- player prices. you NEED to change they way you make it, I understand having to buy 2/3 bronzes to get Zywoo, what I dont get is how can players from Rare Atom for example, be equal or even more expensive than some players on tier 1 teams, makes no sense and discourages any gambles and fun builds.
- better rewards system for the low tier tournaments, unless you get top 3 you get nothing, you should also be rewarded if you play them often, even if it's less than the normal leaderboard that exists already
- adjust some boosts maybe (this one im not so sure, i guess its equal to everyone but still it would be more fun to get them right more often), I feel like the flashbang and the saver could be reduced, they are too hard to get right atm, also the pistol one make it best from the team instead of one round being the best overall or player gets triple kill in pistol, cause sometimes they do that but they are not the best, because of other team winning and someone being better, the Kast maybe reduce it to 80, 85 is so high that you only get it right if you have sh1ro, zywoo, or the team wins 16-4 or less.
- Change some roles, T-SIDE and CT-SIDE (1.35 too high), Clutch King for example are kinda useless most of the times.
Also fix the noob role by making it positive points if negative for performance point but if your guy goes positive then the performance points go in negative that would really balance out sh1ro zywoo and remove the leader role probably Bcs it lets you get away w no réflexion fantasy or atleats nerf it Bcs if you win you get +11 so a guy like karrigan can go 0.8 and still be positive which is unfair imo and would help nerf the zywoo sh1rp which are nowadays not a gamble anymore cause they play bad teams grp stage events
I've played almost every fantasy since they came out only missing a few... I love the game! Thanks for making and keeping it going it first of all
I wish the 'partner games' would be included in the full season again, or had their own season. This would reward people who also enyoy cs outside of tier 1, more differentiation. It's gets boring to get top 5% in many partner games after putting in effort, and then lose in season when you didn't get lucky in the weekly karrigan zywoo twistzz carousel
I dislike how the booster and role percentages are showed automatically. Removes a good chunk of effort and knowledge that could be used in a fantasy game. It's doing the thinking for you, like kids using chatGPT to do homework. Anyone can pick good roles and boosters without knowing what cs is because 'number go big'. Imo a fantasy game should provide as little help as possible to make sure the winners are the most dedicated
Something fun would be an award in your profile when you win a fantasy game or get a top 3 or whatever. Show off to the mens your cabinet)
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It already is zeus or knife kill.
remove awp role, its guaranteed a role for the awper in the team when in reality it would be balanced to have that role on that player entry frag or CT so they dont always guarantee max points for AWP
I think putting less emphasis on the team results would be great. If padding was giving even to the eliminated players for example. Could open up for more interesting strategies, right now the bottom half-ish of the teams are basically "thanks, but no thanks" every time.
Also having just 5 (maybe 6) roles and have them kinda mimic the actual roles in the team would be a nice touch I think.
I don't know if it was said here before but what about the possibility to search for a user's team? Cheers
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it seems contradicting with #293
Please, keep tier 2-3 events as partner games. I think it's ok to take a break for 1-2 weeks between S-tier events. CCT Central Europe Malta Finals was awful for fantasy for various reasons.
Don't let other people see your team before the event starts, unless you choose to share your team on forum, of course. A simple copy/past negates all the hard work that some people put into making their teams.
Here's a suggestion: Lower the max bonus for roles to 4 or raise the smaller bonus to 3 because it doesn't make any sense that if a player triggers the max bonus in two games out of 5 and gets 0 points for the other 3 games they get 10 role points, vs if a player plays 5 games and gets the smaller bonus in all 5 games, it yields the same amount of points. Surely consistency should be rewarded a little more no?
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you can't get 0 from roles, it is either -2, +2 or +5
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yeah just ignore me man I had an aneurysm while looking at the fantasy leaderboard stats. I'm getting mixed up with boosters like a fool lol.
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+1 Clutch King is absolutely useless. Maybe just lowering the requirements a bit for it would work but I don't know the numbers to really say.
Make a fantasy section for the app! It's a bit of a hassle to use the browser on my phone for fantasy sometimes.
1. Give advance booster selection for 3 matches, no matter we know opponent or not. team cannot disqualify until loosing 3 matches.
2. Winning bonus is good, but loosing paneity can be remove, it will encourage users to select high impact players with lower ranking teams like Xantares (#freexantares)
3. Price for 10+ ranking teams player can be little cheaper (add to point 2)
Some form of dynamic pricing based on the teams' ranking. For example:
Top 1-10: default
11-20: a 5k discount
21-30: 10k discount
and so on, would encourage picking underdog teams, and not necessarily go for high-placing teams, but players' individual performances. However, that would only encourage picking the high-rating players, and not care about roles as much.
Overall, I feel like the whole foundation of your fantasy system isn't very well made, i would like to see a complete rework at some point, with player's rating not playing such a major role. E.g. BO1's are just broken, feels like lottery, especially when combined with padding.
Also imo, boosters are just annoying - having to do them daily feels like a chore after a while.
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- Rebalancing of Roles (and to a lesser extent boosters): if you look at any event you'll only see like 7 or 8 of them that are frequently used, roles like Attacker are ridiculously underpowered for example.
- Steeper prices for higher ranked teams: everyone always picks two players from the top team, and no one picks players from the last. Making weaker teams MUCH cheaper would make it more interesting to pick them.
- Making padding less extreme, or at least cap it some more. In the EPL groups for example, if you did not pick the top performing player, you would be so far behind there's no possibility to catch up. Picking a top player who would then earn less because they qualified in the minimum amount of matches would be more fair, I think.
- Ability to change team on mobile (iOS)
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General:
- I think the big/small trigger role seems a bit off. On some roles it's almost impossible not to trigger the small bonus. I think roles should reward strategy more, so maybe small should only award 1 point.
- Too many roles rely on rating alone. This makes some objectively better. I think with the amount of metrics HLTV collects it should be possible to count other triggers besides rating.
Specific feedback on Roles:
- Main AWP: Generally too easy to trigger. Makes having an awper on your team basically a necessity.
- Support: Is in a good place. I would maybe like this to trigger on actual use of utility more instead of AST, because this becomes easier to trigger if your teams dominated the match (you don't die). Could be an idea for a seperate roles as well maybe (Utility King or something).
- Attacker: horrendously overpowered. I think it's interesting to have a more T-oriented role, but just by rating is strange, especially because there are other roles that are easier to trigger. I could see a role combining T-side performance and Entry Fragger.
- Clutch King: great idea, but way too hard to trigger and because of inbalance in ease of trigger people won't ever pick this, even on the greatest clutchers.
- IGL: This role alone makes people pick the highest ranked teams' players more often. The combination of this plus the IGL of the favorite makes for 'no-brainer' picks and very same-y teams. I could understand if this cannot be changed very easily, though.
- Stathunter: Generally useless because Defender exists. I would like it more if it was based on K/D for example, so it would favor eco-hunters or have a more specific niche than just rating.
- Entry Fragger: Good role, seems like this is in a nice place balance wise. Gives you incentive to pick medium-priced players.
- Camper: Weird role idea in my opinion, and most of the time not even worth it even on Jame.
- Defender: This is generally what you go for if you have no better options on your fifth player. I think it would be possible to tie this to defusing the bomb, combining it with Clutch King for example (if you clutch as CT and you defuse the bomb, this would count or something).
- HS Machine: one of the most frustrating roles. 60% seems to be the point where even the high-HS% players sometimes have a hard time with, so maybe this should be re-adjusted to something like 58%. That would ruin the pretty number in 60%, but so be it. Another role where the small trigger is too easy.
- Noob: this role in itself seems like a noobtrap, because even if you manage to trigger it, the player will still net you negative points. I would like this more if it only counted deaths, because then you can use it strategically on entry-fraggers or IGLs that go in first.
- Multi Fragger: seems fine, no adjustment needed I think.
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1. capping on player rating points, so the fantasy wont be over after first round just because lifegame of one particular player, especially in the fantasy with multiple padding rounds format
2. show role/booster ATR as player stats on player selection page, so we dont have to select them one by one and check on overview page
1. maybe make an opportunity to pick more than 2 players from any team
2. correct players prise according to place in TOP. We can see that player from tier-100 with 1.05+ rating 2.0 which is got playing vs top-100 teams who costs as same player with 1.05+ rating but from top-10 team. Maybe make ratio according to top's placement.
3. make a ratio if i used less than 1kk of start money. If I put together a cheaper team and scored as many points as the expensive one, I should get more points, since I'm smarter and took cheaper players
Not fantasy, but can u allow change nickname on hltv.org
I faced a bug in ESL Challenger fantasy. I assigned boosters for QF before opponents were known, then opponents have been set, and now boosters are assigned to some unknown matches instead (it shows '? against ?'). They're not triggered and I can't unassign them at the same time
Fix the prices. One player from a team ranked 60 cant cost 205k when do u have navi liquid ence astralis on that group. You know he wont perform for the price. I never found sense to that. Oh we have 1.30 rating player that never played vs top20 teams price 230k everyone now he wont make that rating. Same thing happen on group A, jame and xantares cost $219 major winner vs tier2 farmer, xantares 0.90 rating everymap
add utilgod role thing, for the player who makes util damage.
Would be nice to search the league for other peoples Teams
Would love to have an overview about all players and their points during a tournament.
Also some records how players have performed the last events.
Livepoints would be nice as well.
(about boosters but more in regards to general game use)
I miss being able to assign boosters for multiple games in a row. I know format doesn't always make this easy but I'm west coast NA and some events like kato were starting bo1 games at 3am, with another at 6am, it's a pain to wake up at 5 just to slap boosters on a player, but if I don't I can't win. Maybe a way to apply boosters for possible games through a bracket and they can just get returned unused if the game never happens, team gets elim etc.
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+1
west coast na pain
I'm sure it's been mentioned a few times but for me the biggest annoyance with fantasy is not being able to apply boosters for future matches, especially when there are multiple games in a day. Either let us apply for a players next matches or apply to each round and if they skip the round refund the booster when padding is given.
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+1
Another thought is somehow rewarding more dominant teams, eg if I pick 2 G2 players and they stomp their way through 3 upper brackets against T1 teams, it would be nice to get more points than if I pick two Vitality players who get knocked down two brackets and then farm through 3 T2 last chance brackets to barely qualify.
Don't really have a solution but maybe something like bracket/format factoring in a percentage where upper bracket gives 1.2x or punishing lower by only giving .9x points?
Or some way of increasing/reducing points based on opponents ranking, as much as I love getting 70 points when sh1ro farms whatever t4 team they matched against in EPL, if you don't pick the one player that gets a 2.00 rating in that first match (that doesn't really matter) you're screwed for the rest of fantasy.
This could also be a solution for the lower-ranked team players, instead of making them cost less you could keep the prices the same but make their wins mean more.
then again I like fantasy how it is mostly, just spitballin :)
At least some players making line-ups by checking others' lineup, roles and boosters. If its possible we can decide whether hide line-ups, roles and boosters or not. It can effect the future of fantasy game.
Too many comments to read if this was already mentioned.. but can you guys let us check the stats of the players after you already locked two of the same team? Right now when you choose two players of a team, you are no longer available to check the stats of the other players of the team because a huge message appears on front saying that you can only have two players of each team.. maybe reduce the size of the message and let us click on the player to flip the card and see the stats. Thanks.
make partner leagues more interesting maybe? (by creating spring, or fall season for example)?
add more asian cs fantasy?
make some boosters more worth than others (ace is more difficult than the pistol booster for example and therefore should be better rewarded)
maybe remove the awp role (too easy) while addingn new ones like (kills with pistol in game (deagle, cz, usp)
I agree with most people, which offer to add lower tier tournaments to main season. But not all of them, because it's difficult to maintain 3+ games simultaneously.
About roles: I don't agree that any of them should be removed. So the best new ones can be added, and unused ones can be adjusted. And I think that it should be more cases where -2 is triggered to avoid safe picks.
The offered values are just my opinion, the approach of change is more important.
Main AWP: 5pts - 0.3+ (or more) KPR, 2pts - 0.1 or even 0.15 KPR.
Defender - to increase value for 2pts to 1.
Support - to increase value for 2pts to 15%.
Stathunter - 5pts - 1.35, 2pts - 1.0.
HS Machine - to increase value for 2pts to 40%.
Attacker - 5pts - 1.30, 2pts - 0.95.
Entry Fragger - to increase value for 2pts to 0.75 or even 0.1.
Noob - to change value for 2pts to 1.1.
Clutch King - to change value for 5pts to 0.02. I don't think that it will help by the first adjustment, but stats can be collected with new thresholds.
Camper - to change value for 2pts to 0.7.
How about chosing a 6 man roster so you can vary each round which 5 players you line up
weapon master booster
player gets kills with 5-6 unique weapons in a map
Allow one sub after a few rounds or brackets.
Tbh swap some useless boosters like choke, knife, ace etc they dont activate that often.
Look at premier league fantasy add smt like tripple captain (example mvp booster) since we have on epl broadcast mvp player of the match would be much more fun to pick mvp than who will knife you atleast have 1/5 chance to get right unlike choke that happens very rare.
Also mabye add what roles players play in theyr team for newbie players i see lots of posts where people dont even understand what a player plays for example when you click on xyp it says anchor player (explanatiom what it is) or a poor rated player if hes igl they will know how to pick teams better.
I mean i play fantasy all 3-4 seasons i dont remember and i follow the scene since 2017. So its easy for me but would imtegrate new players if yhey understood what players do
Zywoo's price is simply too high. I am not sure what methodology you use to evaluate his price, but the problem is that picking him means you have to pick 4 low value players. On aggregate, it will always be a low value to pick Zywoo.
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287 points, mashallah
Sometimes a team has 2 matches in a row at times like 4:00am, 5:30am in my timezone, which means that I can only pick rosters for 4:00am match but not the 5:30am one.
We used to be able to pick boosters ahead of time and it was working way better
I think that system would make the fantasy more balanced for all time zones
at this point, two things come to mind:
1) hyperlink to users profile page in rankings
just like the link to the user page in comments, there should be a link to the users profile page in fdantasy.
2) better summary of points earned by fantasy teams
in hindsight its tedious to check how your lineup got to the end total of their points. this should be in a table format, split up to role / booster / pad / etc per round.
One thing that's been bugging me a little seems to be some inconsistent pricings of players in the mid-silver range. Sometimes it can seem a little random. Some of the recent EPL games come to mind: In group B Xertion, one of the best performers for Mouz was around 200k whilst more questionable players were equally or even more expensive (if I remember correctly Fallen, drop and Art were all more) . In group D also, the prices for NaVi players were also a bit off, being way cheaper than their potential. I guess this just makes it a little difficult to get creative, often skewing the fantasy teams to fit good bargins or avoid overpriced players.
The playoffs now are probably the best example of this. Heroic and G2 are fairly well priced, but players on teams such as Outsiders, Ence and Forze are very expensive whilst NaVi and Liquid seem a little all over the place.
I guess clamping the mid-silver pricings a litte closer to 195-200K could be a good idea, just to make some teams and players a little more appealing.
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