Salaries in the USA along with disposable income are the highest in the world and significantly higher than in Europe. No clue why high rents in our most expensive cities are surprising or dystopian… unless of course the users in this thread didn’t consider this difference in income…

Move in with roommates or live in parents basement

Stay in sami hut in Lapland.

Generally not true. Earnings are higher in metropolitan areas, at least in the US. $3k studios in Boston are going to be generally very nice apartments. Someone making $15/hr in Boston won't be living in a nice apartment. $15/hr in rural America, however, is enough to have a decent apartment. Also worth noting that low earners often live with family, or with other people at least, which is often more cost effective. Renting studios or 1-bed apts is probably the least cost-effective way to live. I make around $35/hr and I still have a roommate. Cost of living in America is a problem though, no doubt.

Roommates or live at home

Commute 3h / day

it's more of an option for a couple, low inc single has to rent a room in a bigger apartment

Its more economical to find roommates for a bigger apartment than to live in a studio by yourself. If you can find a few people to live with then you only end up paying like 600-700 per person rather than 1500.

roommates, parents, significant others. Like you said, its impossible for a low wage worker to live on their own.

There are cheaper places in ghetto areas of cities. They probably live there or they commute from outside of the city. The average household makes over 130k so the average family can afford housing

Bro people who work in McDonald’s don’t and aren’t supposed to live in city center or in high end neighbourhoods anyway

Massachusetts's min wage is 15 an hour right now and they're planning on raising it. but yah cities are expensive to even be near...

been that way since the pandemic unfortunately

A growing city in Upstate NY. It definitely depends on your location, but the demand for housing is still outpacing the supply. The higher interest rates aren't really a deterrent when the needs of housing persist.

There are cheaper places with smaller spaces, worst case scenario you get a roommate

Also us and European suburbs are different, it can take only 15 minutes to be outside of the city center

If you want to live in the most expensive city in the country working fast food you need a few roommates. Doesn't seem too crazy to me. Of course we have issues with housing in this country and it would be better if we removed more restrictions to building but I don't think it's impossible to get by.

I wouldnt wanna go full USA but just lean more towards that then this shit, lower class have it better here but its hurting the middle class a little bit and upper class

Your pension system is bound to collapse sooner rather than later, also the fact unproductive workers cant be easily replaced creates a stagnant job market with a pool of workers that will remain unemployed for a long period of time. What you see as pros are negatives in the long run. Like in many countries the welfare system is flawed, it leaves behind large sways of the population, in japan, if you don't have an address you wont be eligible for any kind of assistance, no matter the gravity of your situation. The reality is that this noble view of the state providing a safety net is quickly disappearing across most western countries, where it remains it only serves to fuel immense inequalities, the poverty rate in italy, the country i live in, is much higher for the youth rather than for the seniors. National healthcare also serves as an invisible subsidy for the pensioners, as if they needed even more government help.

I think he means the "trash" will just form ghettos or something

They can move to the poor areas if they decide to work those jobs city is for people who can afford it

We have very little social housing in the US, it's almost all owned by individuals and companies. This means rent here is almost entirely just however expensive it can be to maximize profit. I think your system sounds more humane.

1/3rd if your salary What the fuck lmfao, is it normal in finland to make 2400 a month?

No this is in NYC and the worse thing is that this isn't even in the popular / good parts of the city

Bro recommending people to go to equally or more expensive countries and pay 50% income tax lmfao

The solution is to lobby politicians to change zoning laws It doesn't have to be this way

Which is why I said based off of my experience where I am. So basically they did have a car for you, good thing you didn't teach yourself how to drive it on your own in a traffic dense city as that wouldn't be so easy (or legal). If I was an ac tech here earning that, a literal half of that salary you mentioned would go towards rent, my friend who's a diesel tech earns slightly more than that and got a second job just to pay off his car because you don't accumulate enough extra money earning that. When I was 18 I was in college for computer science as well as working 40+ hours a week, biggest mechanical things I did was rebuild a couple of our family's honda engines so that we don't have to spend a minimum $10k on a used car that doesn't have an unreasonable amount of miles or problems. Look at me I'm cool I did work on a car I deserve to have the opinion that other people who don't have a car from their parents are just lazy and don't want to work. Took some years of all that for me to get to a place where I can have some extra money for not just life's necessities. Again this is based on where I am, but I can tell it's going to be even harder for future generations as an insane amount of parents I see have absolutely no idea how to raise kids. But that's just job security I guess.

Also I just looked up ac tech job listings, "A HS Diploma or Technical degree graduate with 3-6 years' experience in biotechnology/laboratory facilities maintenance." How tf are you supposed to get that experience when those also require experience, california sucks

you should head over to the horse track and start handicapping. you can go far if you learn how to pick 'em. this is awful advice by the way, but it's a good time. you can drink while you gamble.

Ungoogle it rn

People in USA can't even afford suicide unlucky

Me too, frankly. Anyway, as the CEO of Child Eaters Inc, let me be the first to tell you how delicious child meat is, and healthy and nutritious too.

Sorry for the late reply homie but I'm more than happy to break it down for you, this is a long reply though TL;DR at the bottom. Firstly, we live in a renters economy where a large part of our population cannot subsidize homes due to income inequality let alone find affordable housing to rent, be it socio economic factors or a lack thereof of generational based wealth. This is especially difficult in Urban areas where real estate companies have been practicing something called real estate speculation for decades now. They buy large amounts of properties and don't fill the rooms. (Example) apartment complex's & homes to artificially inflate the demand for housing. All while slumlords are continuingly raising rent prices actively nationally. Post covid rent has gone up tremendously everywhere coupled with inflation and all the government has done is make it illegal to evict people when covid was at its worst if they could not pay rent. 0 initiative to combat this corruption & chokehold on housing. Meanwhile, compared to let's say. Norway for example, where the general taxation is set to give or take 60% I believe. But in return you receive opportunity for subsidized housing, opportunity to earn education, universal healthcare, and a wide scope of social welfare initiative allowing you the comfortability to have a balanced lifestyle & pursue meaningful work without having to worry about how you will go bankrupt/homeless if you break your foot or become sick. Here we pay 43% roughly federally (depends on the state since we pay state tax as well) And we receive borderline absolutely NOTHING in comparison to most first world countries. Our military budget is immensely bloated with wasteful & meaningless spending, our republican party have been overtaken by new wave christian evangelist fascist ideology so we are hardly passing any meaningful legislation anymore. All the while, our middle class is disappearing as our job industry is continuously outsourced to countries like China. No hate towards them, don't hate the players hate the game. tl;dr Rent to high, rent getting higher, government letting landlords do it while the US government f%cks the economy & inflates our dollar & accomplishes nothing we pay them to do. Couple inflation with no social welfare & lack of good paying jobs people are now forced to work 2 jobs to just to survive in most urban areas. I am blessed to make $21/hr & have a good family, I could be anyone else and be much worse off.

I am aware of all of this, and I agree. I was to young to vote for Bernie when he ran if I remember correctly, but I would have & will if he runs again. America is a capitalist sh%thole that is just endlessly printing money until we crash at this point lol. It will not last forever.

Trump did not cause the svb crash. The fed increased interest rates and svb were invested in fixed rate bonds. Trump was wrong about a lot of things but in general removing red tape was one of the better things that he proposed.

i live in a town of 3,000 people dickhead im not from the city. you can walk everywhere. if you wanna go do sum really cool you just drive 30 min. not that bad. but there's literally nice apartments available in my town for like 6 hundo a month bc the boomer landlords are stuck in the 90s (lol but very nais)

I don't know where that came from but I guess it's true :D

Dude, 2000 is already "friendly-low". I could easly take 2700 for it. edit: its not like I take entire 2k for me. I have to pay electricity, water, internet, fees cleaning of the building, garbage disposal and more. I have basicly 0 profit from this apartment.