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2021 I'd say after device left
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oh yes i forgot about that phase...glaive and xyp went on leave and have never been the same since
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TRUE
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just because it can be done doesnt mean it will, astralis would have to somehow became top1 lec org and go to worlds multiple times to sell some1 for 1mil and some1 good would want to play for them and nowadays there is less money than 2 years ago in lol due to crypto failling, so well it sounds like they have the exact same odds to do it in cs, literally 0%
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You absolutely can develop some young talent and sell it for ton of money and it does not require the team to go top 1 in LEC. For example MAD lions scouted elyoya and developed humanoid in to a beast and they already made ton of profit with selling humanoid. They will also make ton of profit when they sell elyoya since they denied g2's offer of 800k.
LEC is also more profitable because it's more popular than csgo.
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mad lions is tier1 lec org, top4 for couple of years already, were to worlds, have awesome coaching staff and scouting staff, meanwhile astralis are bottom shitters of the league their best placing ever was this year fuckin 6 place xd, they wont go to worlds ever since their reputation of being shitters and signing toxic diamond players like promisq dont allow them to find decent rookies or players, since those players would rather dont play than play for them, there is no world in which astralis can develop a player like elyoya, unless they become good team, but they ve proven for couple of years that they dont care about being good team and they never ll be and btw even mad lions are still nowhere close to earn 1kk for any of their players, since elyoya in the next year wont even be contracted for them and probably will go for free somewhere else
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Madlions will sell him after this split or they are fucking dumb agree. Also mad lions became top tier org because of elyoya and when they lose elyoya they will be bottom shitters. Also madlions have been in lec for much longer than astralis (madlions=exsplyce).
Astralis was trolling the last seasons but now they have taken few right steps. Agree with the promisq thing. I dont know what kind of black mail material he had cuz he was the worst LEC player ever + toxic and managed to keep his spot for way too long.
But all of this doesn't change the fact that LEC is more profitable than csgo.
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blameF entry igl like arT so he can't bait so much
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Not sure if I enjoy blamef IGL, but I agree realistically device and blamef are the only players worth keeping.
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Not true really, but whatever.
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Keeping baitF is already fucked up choice if you wanna build the team that could win something at tier1.
Making him an IGL just gonna ruin the squad faster.
Though, if it was a bait then nice one.
Get rid of washed ul gla1ve and xyp9x and get good replacements. Replace gla1ve with godfromsky or TMB and replace xyp9x with es3tag/b0rup/zyphon. If blamef decides to igl again, they can just replace gla1ve with staehr.
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delusional
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I agree with -glaive but the words within the brackets are soo dumb
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Nah i agree with you
Just not entirely that's all
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But when you replace a player it's a brand new team, especially when you are changing the IGL
Karrigan may have laid the foundation stone of Astralis but it was glaive who completed it.
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bad bait mate sorry
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#65
i mean come on you're like astralis would have won more with karrigan how stupid can you be?
I refuse to believe that such stupidity is possible and hence I would like to believe you are baiting
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bro karrigan was booted out of the team because the device dupreeh and xyp core lost faith in him after n number of chokes after which he went to Faze
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they were playing together since what- 2014 or something. Karrigan got booted around 2017 or so
3 years is more than enough time. Yes Karrigan helped them go to playoffs but what about the chokes in the playoffs?
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By his responses he looks like a baiter
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Guys guys, he's a liquid fan ofc he's going to say Astralis should have kept Karrigan so they couldn't dominate Liquid like they did with Gla1ve kek.
Aleksib build the team mate. G2 success is all thanks to aleksib
That's why astralis won kato and major right after they kicked karrigan. Don't forget dupreeh, xyp and dev1ce have been playing together before karrigan joined.
By your logic aleksib created g2's system and he should be credited for all g2 success and not hooxi
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Device, dupreeh and xyp9x were fucking prime since 2013. There was nothing stopping karrigan from winning with that lineup, and quite frankly anyone that watched CS back then knows that they SHOULD'VE been winning with that lineup but they didn't. He definitely fell short with that lineup, its common knowledge.
dev1ce top 5 player for so many ages. Dupreeh and xyp also top 20 players. Karrigan really worse than slightly over average IGL. Couldn't even win with superteam faze
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what super team lmao?
You mean the same super team that couldn't win with karrigan?
Check #50
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why karrigan couldn't win with astalis with kjaerbye? They won kato and major after they dropped karrigan. Why you don't answer that?
gla1ve sure would have a lot of success in his team when they sign lucky and farlig both 1.10 rating awpers in Tier 2. It doesn't help that k0nfig literally worst star player that doesn't even follow his calls.
Reminder that faze 2021 was avg af and they had 4/5 of the same pieces. As an astralis fan, I have hope that with roles sorted and players being comfortable they will perform better. Hunden is also there to help develop buzz but truth rn is that both xyp and buzz are worse than rain and olof.
When was the last time he had a reasonable lineup? Astralis being a clusterfuck for a long time now isnt exactly his fault.
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poor guy couldn't even get nicoodoz
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Put karrigan in there and the results are not much different.
Device, xyp, dupreeh, magisk werent goats before glaive arrived. They became goats with the astralis era and you cant say glaive didnt have a part in it how they were just so much ahead of everyone else tactically speaking.
How to win trophy with star rifler who is inconsistent af and doesn't listen to your call and an awper who can't even avg 1.05 rating.
Not to mention individual problems of other players
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why you ask this? and why you don't answer why karrigan can't win with goat lineup that gla1ve had?
If you're talking about g2's results with nexa that was due to NiKo's hard carry performance. Dude was rivaling prime s1mple with a rifle. Don't forget huNter was also a top 15 player.
Same shit with Zeus and NaVi
Woah, you're giving karrigan credit for something non-existent. He had nothing to do with building the team and essentially he failed. He had the same prime players but couldnt get it working.
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Finally someone who gets it
He assembled the core. Then zonic and magisk entered.
Karrigan, zonic, dupreeh and magisk have found success after leaving but not gla1ve. I get the nostalgia of the old astralis but it's really time to move on. It's the same cope as people who still think that xyp is the "clutch minister"
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Wtf are you talking about? Device, dupreeh and xyp9x have played together since 2013 and cajunb joining shortly after. Karrigan only replaced Fetish as IGL. He joined a core that was there for years before him. Man dont talk about things you know nothing about and clearly weren't watching cs back then.
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That brings us to gla1ve, which was the topic in the beginning. What exactly has he done without them?
Look, I get it that these dudes represent you your youth and all but it's time to move on, just like in other things in life. There is absolutely no reason for gla1ve and xyp to be playing anymore.
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gla1ve first team as igl was astralis. Then after dev1ce left they kept signing shit players. Karrigan gets to choose his players most of the time or at least build the team around himself. gla1ve couldn't even fucking sign nicoodoz.
2023 astralis' pieces is still shit compared to what faze had in 2021 and faze 2021 only had few playoffs apperances.
Yeah but you're discrediting him as if he did nothing and giving karrigan credit for something that never happened.
Xyp definitely shouldnt be in astralis anymore but glaive is still debatable.
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hltv "two faced" forums. When gla1ve wins with karrigan's roster, karrigan gets all the credit but when it comes to aleksib all credit goes to hooxi?
Either give credit to gla1ve and aleksib or call both aleksib and karrigan bad.
exactly
just cause he isn't able to deliver anymore doesn't immediately nullify everything he's done in the past.
poor glaive has some incredibly stupid haters
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Give Karrigan a team with Farlig, Lucky & k0nfig see how far he gets lol. You need consistent and good players to win tournaments. Faze were dogshit before Ropz joined the team but nobody seems to remember that conveniently.
What has zonic achieved lmaooooooo? He can't achieve shit even tho he zywoo and spinx in the team.... It's literally either zywoo-spinx carry or no win. If anything, zonic is the overrated one.
-contract minister
-gla1ve
-buzz
+TMB
+Zyphon
+Staehr
birdfromsky
regali
es4tag
Swisher
Altekz
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delusional Swisher fan
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In current meta a lot of entry players prefers to 4 bullets to body instead of going for headshots
You can see Patsi or Kair0n POV-s for example. Impossible to aim for HS when you're running down you're opponent trying to expose him on off-position, you just cant place ur crosshair at HS level. (NiKo is not natural entry, he just slowly peeks default positions with crosshair placement already at hs level)
Keep Device and Blame and build around rest
washed bots wont save this team, maybe keep glave
device
blame
gla1ve (he sucks now and his calling doesnt impress me that much anymore but you have to give him benefit of doubt imo)
valde/es3/refrezh
staehr/zyphon/buzz (but i dont believe in buzz)
They shouldve gotten jabbi or roej or nicoodoz but they are dumb org
-buzz
+ any level 10 EU player
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When the Org don't want to invest in the future there will be no future.
+Magisk
+dupreeh
They've tried everything since "The Kings of Counter Strike" disbanded, haven't they ...
You HONESTLY believe that Astralis management should listen to all these hltv threads about "top teams disband" everytime they lose a match?
No one should EVER expect ANY team to achieve what Astralis 1.0 did a few years back.
They are STILL top20 despite all the trouble, so it's not "hopeless".
The question is if they have a "team" by now.
I'm not sure, but "disband" is kinda silly in my opinion.
There is nothing wrong with "try again" in ANY endeavor in life! 😎👍
(Too bad, K0nfig engaged in a bar fight. Too bad they didn't pick up Valde or es3tag when they had the chance, but WHO are we to judge that ... We hope Buzz will make some noice at tier1, and the boyz at the Academy seem to be doing well. Time will show. but "disband" is just unnecessary hltv-babble.)
Yes it is.
New astralis with 100% potential
BlameF
Device
Kraghen
Zyphon
Altekz.
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just cause glaive is unable to call today means zonic was responsible for Astralis's success in 2018-2019-2020
Wow that's some amazingly stupid stuff you've just said.
Besides, if zonic was the one calling all the shots in Astralis, why is he unable to find the same success in Vitality? and I don't want the- well Zonic won EPL what has Astralis won since then bullshit
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You are a wise man +1. Zonic in vitality made like 2 playoffs with zywol
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And afaik zonic was also a coach when karrigan was playing. Sad that karrigan couldn't abuse zonic's coaching like gla1ve
well if the talent team keep up this year, they can take over lol
Blamef is the problem. He is not going to win anything in CS.
They won't win anything with him. Guy just plays for K/D.
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Just because he is given the best roles.
Give those same roles fo buzz and he will be the top fragger for the team.
What blameF does in Astralis can be done by a high elo level 10 if given same roles and freedom in Astralis. He literally waits for all the info and then goes for lurk kills and has minimal impact on rounds. No space taken on the map as well, hence free map control for enemy team
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I think Buzz has potential, just needs more experience.
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