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Retiring soon.
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name doesnt check out
130 ping can happen
Your only relevant player is basically American.
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what about rain
also hallzerk still Norwegian.
WTF is "basically American"?
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lmao so they are practicing with on eu servers from NA???
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They would have wasted time practicing against NA teams either way.
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any team besides col is a waste of time haha
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Even coL is kind of a waste. All of their CT rounds open with some sort of gimmick play.
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Yeah but if you ever watch the col/liquid games, they are always close because of familiarity with each other. It is not the best form of practice but it def makes it challenging for both of them and causes them to make different decisions and read into the game more. If TL just scrims against EG or ATK they would not get much out of it. Col has at least proven recently they are capable of playing at a higher level. in my opinion of course, but i see what you are saying
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Elige I can agree on, he has not performed to the level that is expected of him. nitr0 no, hes a good IGL, and has showed some decent fragging capability.
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Well who ever choose to practic with 130 Ping is ruinning the team, Anyway elige is an issue
I always thought Liquid was an org that could easily afford 1 week bootcamp in EU.
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1 week bootcamp in EU =/= living in EU
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They were going to fly there anyway.
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They shouldn't have attended ESL at all then?
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Maybe they should think about which events they play in more then or either leave CS or get an EU team because when NA turned it's back on CS for Valorant it killed their scene entirely so they should probably weigh their options now because it seems like a wasted slot just having these teams that play on high ping
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Jame post a video talking with yekindar like a monte ago when kato was on group stage, he literally asked how much is he winning on TL ofc its censored but jame said ITS A LOT. Team can pay for that, just 0iq org
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They literally have a European HQ in the Netherlands or some shit.
Some player didnt want to stay in eu
They’re in a tough spot with having a European player but I think they will have better prep for an important tournament (the Major)
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its a louvre agreement
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That is not a part of the agreement since 2023.
I mean not surprised by this, the cs scene has become way too euro centric. Not saying that this is a good excuse it’s just a fact.
We used to have tier 1 or 2 tournaments regularly in NA which also brought big and small teams for local practice it’s a real shame.
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There will be 2 NA tournaments
well the problem is that the gap got bigger between NA and EU below the top 2-3 teams maybe, so praccing against some NA teams that are not in the big NA tournaments is propably just a waste of time, they would propably just run over them. I can see them playing a pracc or two before their games to gain infinte amounts of confidence.
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It’s a chicke and egg type of thing tho. You need good practice to get good teams. Covid just crushed the region.
And the even bigger systemic problem with this regionalization is most of the time the good teams we do have are playing we can even watch anymore. I haven’t been able to see liquid once at EPL.
Wouldn’t be a problem but every tournament feels this way now.
Problem is Lack of NA teams you have one tier1 Team Liquid 14 t3 teams (EG White, Black, Green, Orange, Dark Pink etc.) and a few t4 teams, that has their Talent taken by 48 different EG squads, no progress no interest in development Na used to be a hub for young talent and Twist is an example of what Na players can do in EU environment, your work place culture seems to be way off EU
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I’m not sure pro cs is an example of NA work place culture.
Lol
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We're talking about CS not retail and that's what I'm referencing. It all came up with the stewie drama how out of balance everything seems to be in NA CS
Liquid is not even a real team, YEKINDAR and NAF would leave to Europe if they have a chance
I know it sucks having to spend a big part of the year in EU when your home is in NA, but it's the sacrifice you gotta make if you wanna become the best team and have success.
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Not sure if true, but #70 said it's not part of the agreement anymore.
It's kind of even beyond that. I understand nitr0's reasoning because he has a real family, but his occupation is finite relative to most. While not entirely comparable, military families often sacrifice far more time with their families under considerably more stressful situations, and less pay, just to provide. It's a symptom of expectation, but there are plenty of people who make far less with worse work/life balances. Sacrifices should be considered in any occupation, but there's a strange expectation of freedom steming from the pro-gamer crowd.
I don't want this to sound like I don't understand the mental/physical toll enacted by the occupation, but in context there is definitely an issue some players have with being 100%. I don't know anyone on Liquid, I can't speak for them or their motivation, but it's hard not to be critical of a team that has routinely gone on record saying they took extended breaks and always suffer after.
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Yeah, I feel like they should realize how privileged they are being able to do what they love as their work and being paid in 2-3 months what most people earn in a year. I do understand it must be hard, but then again, e-sport player's career is not long and people retire from competing before mid thirties so it's not even supposed to be only "fun and games". Their career is pretty short so they should make the most out of it and strive to doing their absolute best even if it means less comfort and more time outside their homes.
They are getting paid handsomely to do their best and taking longer breaks and sacrificing less by not being in EU when everyone knows in CS you have to be in EU to get good practice doesn't sound like "doing their best" to me.
If a NA or SA team want to succeed they need to learn how to spend long periods of time away from their loved ones. I know its hard for their mental heath, but it is what it is. NA scene sucks, its impossible to develop your game if you practice just in NA, so you have to go to Europe.
NAF and Elije are the most consistent players that dont live in europe. I think they were able to find the right balance that is good for their mental health and for their individual skill. The problem is that if they want to compete for tier S titles again they need to go harder, at least for this year. If they make the sacrifice I think it will be worth it.
But I dont get it, Liquid have an office in Ulrecht, why not just bootcamp there?
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They praccing vs eu teams from na
Wtf louvre had to do
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Blame Navi
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NaVi management are also idiots for putting politics in the way of a good transfer. With Yekindar they could probably have more concrete roles and more firepower and better comms. They thought if they buy yekindar they will get canceled but liquid didn’t even face any real criticism for paying outsiders indirectly. (he “bought himself out” but who believes this)
I mean its a good move for him, he earns a shit ton of money, is able to 2nd call more, build a gamestyle for liquid and improve in different roles if he wants to. He is young and talented, many EU/ CIS teams would propably want to pick him up if he leaves liquid (depends on contract and buyout ofc)
Have you heard of the louvere agreement
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This isn't relative though. The team wasn't in NA scrimming NA teams. They were split between EU/NA and scrimming EU teams.
okay but still doesn't explain how you just got buttfucked by an Asian team who would have had the same problems as you guys if not worse
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Nah, if you want to be succesful you have to spend most time of the year praccing and playing in europe, not NA. Cant win tournaments if you spend half the year or more in NA so why should yekidnar move
It’s difficult for liquid, because according to the rules they have to spend a majority of the time practicing in NA (in order to flourish the region). Otherwise, they’d have to move and fully commit to EU (which would mean EU RMRs and qualifiers). Which I don’t see happening with the majority of the roster wanting to stay in NA (EliGE, Nitr0, oSee).
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That is not a rule anymore.
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Check my latest thread
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The problem with Liquid was always lack of practice.
They’re lazy and they don’t want to move to Europe, so they won’t win shit.
First of all, top CS now is euro-centric, if you wanna win trophies you have to either live on Europe and practice there everyday or you have to be extended periods of time there. Liquid in the other hand travels to Europe and then go back home between events. Like WTF? While on NA they don’t practice at all, how they expect to be successful putting so little work? Brazilian teams are used to live abroad to chase their dream, why FURIA can live on Europe and come back to Brazil like 2 times per year and Liquid don’t? This is lack of work ethic if you ask me.
Second of all, even while bootcamping, they practice like 6 hours per day.
I used to follow TL a lot while FalleN was playing there, and he posted about their routines on social media. It’s ridiculous.
You don’t have enough practice at home and when you bootcamp you scrim only 6 hours? Dude there’s people on this thread that plays more than 6 hours of CS daily just for fun 😂
They make a lot of money and decided to work just a half-day job.
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Maybe you’re talking about the players association?
Because the Louvre Agreement don’t restrict players practice: pro.eslgaming.com/csgo/proleague/wp-cont..
yekindar back to EU soon
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