none of the games are enough hype
Can't be serious all the time, my guess is that their intensity will increase with the latter stages of the tournament
I think they should be bringing in pros more often tbh., I really enjoyed for example when HooXi joined them, or cadiaN/xertioN/karrigan, it was great.
Because they wanted to test a summit-like casting style, less serious with a chill vibe
Imo thats ok it's EPL who cares anyway
im suprised a guy named "pewpewinyaface" wants a more serious casting.
Like so many things in life, they are doing their job to earn more money, you arent the target audience anymore. Deal with it.
+1 Compare this casting to 2014-2017
mute them and play an audio book or a lecture in the background. you might actually learn something while you watch CS
Because it's EPL group stage, it's more serious in playoffs/more meaningful events
It's been like this for about 2 years now
True, theyre shit. I get what theyre trying to do but they need to understand WHEN they can do it. Many times a lot is happening in game and they just totally ignore it and be like "oh lol something happened" and go back to proper casting. Its all over the place right now and some topics are super boring / cringe.
Group stage games aren't as hype as playoff games with an audience. Plus, they have been doing this for like 3 weeks.
Its a group stage so most of the matches dont really mean anything or the skill disparity between teams is massive. You can't really analyse these games because the better team will likely not use the majority of their stratbook and will resort to simply out aiming the other team. You'll see a major change in casting for the NaVi vs Spirit game because its a qualification match involving 'top' teams who need to win. Also its the 4th week of groups and they're probably getting bored of casting unimportant games.
It should be proper casting in playoffs though without a doubt.
EPL isnt serious if u lose a game u still have 10 chances to go thro
As someone who watches 500+ hours/year of tier 1 CS (last year had 400+ hr watchtime on Twitch and I watch a lot on Youtube streams as well) I really don't mind that the casting is very chill and not super focused on the game especially in these unimportant groupstage matches where the teams will still have more chances to get to playoffs or the elimination matches where it's lower tier teams playing against each other.
This is a more laid back and relaxed cast, which is what Spunj wanted for EPL. It's silly sometimes but at least they take some chances and learn a few things along the way.
I hope that this type of casting is something they only use in this tournament and not for Katowice, Cologne, blast events or iem event etc
They are doing it on purpose this event, "trying to bring the fun back" as talked about on the Talking Counter podcast. Works sometimes but the caster personalities sometimes are so uninteresting that it really doesn't hit like it should (talking anders, maui, harry)
they think they are like cs summit but it's just castrated family friendly safespace version of that
It's the concept, the group stage was more of cs summit than anything
Honestly I enjoy this casting more than pretending they get hyped over t3 team
It seems like they think they're far more interesting than they're and they have far too much job safety for how unimpressive most of them are.
They spend way too much time talking about their personal lives and non CS related topics. Do we really need to know their tinder strategies?
I think this was a deliberate attempt to make it seem more exciting, but it’s way too much.
Casting has been more enjoyable and laidback.
+1 this should be pinned at the top of the fórum, we know they are bored, but WHO cares, do your job or leave it for someone hungry
This EPL has taken a lot of inspiration from BTS, with more relaxed casting that is more focused on the personality of the talent, rather then the games. I personally like this a lot, especially when it is one with so many matches, and some that are a lot less important then others. When it gets to the play-offs the casting is going to be more professionel.
Because this EPL is kinda shit. Half the teams have a stand in, only G2 and heroic are looking somewhat good. The 2 best teams in group D are ence and forze and the most exciting is rare atoms. You can't cast a 2023 astralis like a 2019 astralis, especially when they're currently 1-1 vs ATK
EPL has gone with a whole other vibe and I love it. This used to be my least favorite event, but now its much better. They have gone with a much more chill, laidback and fun vibe for the groups, and for the playoffs I assume they will get much more serious and hyped. This really reminds me of cs summit, which I have really missed
will be differenty in playofffs
I'd rather have the chill casting they got going on right now than have the fake hype for a group stage EPL game
because epl is laid back
just listen to talking counter episode with niko and spunj explains
i dont think they are bad but i agree with you when you say they talk a lot about other stuff outside of the game, sometimes its too much random stuff with no context and not funny at all.
i understand that casting like 9 hours a day can be exausting and boring sometimes and they need to let off some steam but they are also professionals doing their job so they should know to balance fun and serious during the game which they dont.
idk I kinda like when they talk about inside stuffs about teams and themselves. It's more of a chill vibe. Ofc they are casting the game when there is action going on but when there's stalemate and there's nothing else to comment about the situation casters do generally talk about something else to let the audience kept engaged
I just love this style of casting, casters are way too funny to not give them freedom to wonder away from the game sometimes
agreed, absolutely terrible. always loved the more casual events but this is 90% random bs + soundcloud rap and 10% csgo, even during the actual matches.
Imagine getting paid for talking nonsense while watching a videogame
Actually the best casting I've seen.
They are Caster, not Commentators. It makes the streams more fun and entertaining when the casters are just goofing around.
Also, it's the group stage of EPL, also known as the most boring tier-1 tournament in CSGO. The system is boring, and they are making it into the most enjoyable tournament in years.
Makes all of these tier 2/3 games way more enjoyable. Whenever the t1 games come the casters all step it up. This EPL casting is some of the best CS has ever seen. A storied cast of top shelf casters who don't really care about being too formal. It's a lot of fun and they're serious when they need to be.
I agree with this post
I love when casters spice it up a little and talk about random things which isn't always connected to the events or even CS, but it feels that the whole event up until now is just casters talking about random ass things and the real casters are the guest pro players who come to the panel
1) double elimination means half the games are actually meaningless
2) teams play worse, no one really cares to win EPL except maybe Faze and Vitality, one cause of Grand Slam, other cause that's the only thing they may win when no one else cares.
3) What the hell do you talk about on force buy and then an eco, then a timeout - that's 5 minutes of nothing in game.
this is one of the most fun casting ive seen.... with the exception of anders, he only ruins the whole show. most boring fake hype, small vocab caster
Because this is the concept of this EPL. Have good cs but still a fun and chill atmosphere with some silly stuff. I dont mind it at all tbh
Like many others have already explained that you OP haven't really acknowledged , the EPL this time around is based on how Summit events got castes which is the laid back style which imo suits the EPL since it's full of 5 week boredom and serious casting every game makes it a snoozefest.
This non serious attitude is the only reason why I have tuned into the event this time around.
CS is full of Tier 1 events happening all the time , you can skip this one tournament if you don't like how it goes but it's the first time EPL has been worth watching in a long time and this way of casting is only for this event. We will be serious again from the next .
i noticed same thing. feels like cs_summit
Imagine casting EPL season 17 and still caring....
tbh i've started watching muted. the casters all too often miss important bits because they're chatting shit about something no one cares about
ye they even worse than usual. too many bad games could be one reason
Who cars I like it, if you gonna have a month long tournament you might as well have some fun.
Yeah it's too out of limits now. They've tried to sort of "ENTERTAIN" us but it feels weird tbh. The off game stuff is fine but during a match even if it is ATK vs RARE ATOM, they should've done justice to their roles.
I really like it, they give 0 fucks about the game, in the 'desk' too, that's really awesome, makes it so much more fun to watch.
I dont have any problem with it. I have eyes so I can see whats happening, I dont need someone to tell me that.
Bro stopped watching with casters after 2019… was the last year of true talent out there. Now gotv>
Now, u got lads like machien spunj harry hugo that think theyre casters lmfao speaking of their own hobbies and real life issues while they are esl puppets and nothinMore
I noticed that on Russian streams casters speak 75% of time about CS and situations in rounds and 25% about various stories and spam. When I go to the English stream it is completely opposite there - casters are yelling some nonsense that has nothing to do with the game and I leave in a minute, it's good that I have a choice
It's EPL group stage. When have you ever seen this kind of production aside from summit? Good cheerful group stage broadcast which is quite nice. Don't pretend like you would sit there and listen to them break down that exciting match roosters v, grayhound.... Playoffs will off course be up scaled
I mean I only watched the elimination match, this is how boring group stage for me. And the casters will go super serious in the play offs ofc thats a no brainer
the CS community isn't thankful enough for having the greatest casters in the history of esport
whoever is calling them bad I Invite you to try watching few mins of other esports like LEC or VCT lol
lol i thought it was just me. This Machine guy is probably the most obnoxious narcissist i've heard/seen in casting both dota and cs. He seems unbearable to be around. Completely ruined navi-astralis game spouting cringe shit. He's like Tobiwan of CS but worse.
Cuz thats the point of EPL
It's annoying but apparently the broader mass wants the "streamer" kind of vibe while watching sports. I want them the focus on the game. That's also why I think it's annoying to listen to pros in the cast talking like it's an interview simultaneously.
Bur ofc ESL have.said to the casters in groups that they need to be casual and talk about random shit
Blast with Scrawny and Lau is so much better!
Everyone missing the point of this event. Whats the point of trying to hype up a triple elim group stage, its a chill cast
Come on, not every event needs to be super serious, especially not one which has a group stage that goes on for like 500 weeks with triple elimination.
Let EPL (group stage) have this goofy vibe and lesve the super serious casts to Cologne, Kato, the Majors, etc.
This is the Thing they wanted to try in this epl. To loosen it up a bit. Because epl is not that important of a tournament. I love it
It started during the lockdown, when few casters had to do this almost 24/7 due to covid restrictions and other reasons
That was when Spunj and Alex became a casting duo, even though one was a host and the other an on-desk analyst at the time
People enjoyed them so much that they quickly became the most beloved duo out their
Other casters coming through tried to copy what they thought was the winning concept of the duo
So that's one of the reasons, the other is the oversaturated part of the games. We see the same match-ups way too often so the casters, who are too few IMO, just keep saying the same things over and over again, and therefore have to talk about other things (mainly due to them not being the best casters out there, but still getting the biggest gigs).
The formats are also not entertaining and the casters and on-air talent don't really invest time and effort into conveying the significants of the formats, the series, the rounds, etc.
The CSGO pro scene is in heavy decline, but if anyone on air would say that they'd lose audience, so they try to hide it by not even talking about the shit games
Im sure they could make it a lot more interesting analyzing the rounds (but analyzing them well) instead of talking about shit
Them not taking this tournament as serious as others makes it worth watching, summit is gone and this event takes a WHOLE MONTH and instead of skipping matches I'd never watch I actually watched 2 full groups because of how chill it is + watched matches I wouldn't because of a pro casting. If they didn't do this you would 10000000000000000000000000% make a post talking about how boring Pro League is.
This EPL feels like cs_summit tourney. Just tryna be chill and funny
I don't mind this honestly
it's good - you're the nerd in chat that demands the ECO gets commentary
cause its group stage, stakes are low, this happens often in group stages idk why u are surprised anyways, its chill af to watch it as well
bro doesnt matter if its not playoffs or important matches idgaf if theyre dead when commentating some tier 3 v tier 3
EPL is intentionally laid bad and its hard to find things to talk about when a team is goating stomped
Yeah just look at teams such as Ence and ATK putting up mastermind tactics or Astralis masterful Nuke CT
You expect them to be excited when they are in a moldy room in Malta? This is the problem with EPL
Triple elim, 4 week group stage. They actually got creative with it. I think this is one of the best things they could have done for such a long, drawn-out format. It was thoroughly entertaining.
Part of what made the CS scene good pre-COVID was the fact you had different tournaments that took different approaches (BTS is a perfect example - even more relaxed than this). EPL group stages have been horrifically repetitive and boring in the last couple years, and not very entertaining. It needed a fresh take and this was a step in the right direction.
As evidenced by the vast number of commenters here who enjoyed this group stage approach, many fans disagree with you. As a business, ESL is wise to vary their production strategy throughout the tournament season to appeal to different types of viewers. Was it perfect? No, and there were times when casters *could* have been more focused on the game; but there's so. much. CS. all. year. Give them two EPL group stages each year to have some fun, try stuff, improvise a bit, etc. I think the scene will benefit massively as a result even if it means a few matches have some unfocused casting.
Can guarantee the playoffs will be more focused, as they should be.
Summit-like style is great. I'm playing this game for nearly 12 years. I don't need this serious casting with strats explanations. This is bullshit, i just wanna have some fun.
I mean in Groups they are always very chill but I love the analysts and their little shows, makes it all seem less serious and more personal
I dont get it, why would anyone wants a personal show about the casters, when its about a game called counterstrike, I think laid back and chilled casting and commenting is great and ofc its "just" group stage, but why does it have to be off-topic to be laid back and chill? Why cant casters talk about game related stuff in a chill and laidback style?
This is better casting than before
bro the level of cs on this EPL is low af
It's because the whole format of the EPL groups is a chill atmosphere, so what they do is they take that to the cast as well. Its a super long tournament, with quite a few games.
Kind of refreshing to have some more chilled out commentary here and there, I think.
The addition of players on cast was great, for example, the questions to them and their insights not only on the current game were super fun.
Tbf they are getting shot at
bcoz it’s group stage game no#500 and it’s full eco. The environment will change now it’s playoffs
I think they are experimenting with their style of casting. And it's more common in e-sport to have that kind of a streamer vibe than in classic sports (football etc). I'm usually entertained by it as long as it doesn't get too ridiculous
They don't consider it a serious event apparently which is weird because they seem to treat the big events like shit too considering what they're dressed like for them
I really liked the way this tournament was casted
Im watching and playing cs since 2004 and I love the laid back style as I stated multiple times, but I enjoy cs and not some personal sope opera shit from the casters about their boring ass life... simple as that... not so hard to understand :)