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I dont understand why Casters dont take their role serious anymore. They keep talking about their hobbys, freetime activitys, favourite color or what the loved to eat when they were 5 ?! Even the pros joining them are better commentators than the actual Casters, talking about insights of the game, specific tactics, roles of players and so on.
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I understand that and also that they want to keep their jobs because they get payed to do that, but its so frustrating hearing them dont give a f*ck. I wish they would step back from casting and let younger hungry other commentators cast the games so its more entertaning and thrilling again ...
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You're probably right. But its sad anyways because the matches are less exciting.
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I think i heard spunj saying that they will be like this for the group stages because there are so many games, and many of which are t2. They will step it up for playoffs as always. Like how you are going to analyse the game 24/7 when you see so many mistakes? You'll just be roasting the players 24/7 and who wants to hear that? Quality CS will come in playoffs, groups is a waste of effort if they go all in with the casting. This format makes way more sense.
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Good point but maybe peoples standarts or expectations are a little bit too high.. Not every game can be a zywoo highlight reel... Its still very good cs and even t2 is so good most people can only dream about being half as good after playing for 10+ years...
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"It's still very good CS" no lol i completely disagree. It's a clown fiesta 50% of the time. Obviously they're 100x better than your average MM player, but why would you even compare pros to random players? It's like comparing t5 soccer players to random people who play football on the weekends. Makes no sense.
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lmao because people who play average MM are calling pros "washed" or "clown fiesta", when they dont even have the understanding on what high level these players are
best matches are like tennis...
round win
round lost
this is until 14-13
I think Vitality vs BIG on Vertigo is a great example ( I think it was last cologne??) that not-perfect cs can be entertaining as fuck.
Every round of ridiculous action
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that's just your opinion, wont argue with that
i prefer high-level, disciplined, quality cs over "ridiculous action"
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Taste is different and opinions too, isnt it great that CS is so diverse ?
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yeah idm
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it was a rethoric question I know you are a ignorant little kid that just cares for his own fun :)
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you really that bored? thought we cool but you trying to start shit for no reason
people have different tastes, it always has been that way
i have nothing against it
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start shit ? Maybe its your lack of comunication skills... but you sound like you talking down to people from your high horse
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Sounds like you've got an inferiority complex. If you viewed me on a "high horse" when all I did was state my preference of CS e-sport experience, that's on you buddy.
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HAHAHA thats exactly what I meant xD
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w/e have a nice day
I understand the argument but having tuned in for some of the group stage games it's been annoying as hell, especially when they get a random player to sit in and talk over crucial rounds. They're paid to do a job. If they can't do it or don't wanna put in effort.. we are the ones that suffer. They are there for a job. A dream job. Getting money for it. Are we forgetting this?? Do you think they're paying for their flights and hotels?? They're just resting on their laurels. Again, we suffer for their lack of effort.
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"we are the ones to suffer"
it's just one of those situations, some people like it some don't.. You're talking as if you're speaking for everyone, whereas I'm seeing split opinions. Entitlement in your reply makes me cringe.
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Yea I'm aware it's free entertainment, however I've ordered from the ESL store (which is annoying since when I placed my order it wouldn't give me AUD prices only in euro lol. Don't even mention shipping) and I sub to the twitch channel. I'm aghast at the casters entitlement (the people getting paid) and you're aghast at mine (loyal supportive viewer) so which is the greater of the two evils? 🤔 At the end of the day it's the casters slacking off, not me.
it is not fully casters decision but also ESL, they want to make it more interesting for a viewer to actually watch these games and at first I was a bit skeptic if it is a good idea but now I think it is refreshing and even more entertaining to see different approach to casting. Taking players to casting is the best idea in my opinion. Just because of that I decided to watch these games.
Twists and cadian definitely added to the games they sat in on being casted.
Roosters inferno watching them blunder a 12-3 T half on ct side
Twists provided some really good insights, tips, comments and feedback 100% added value to the cast
A lot of times they'll talk random nonsense over full ecos, when a team decides to save at 1:30 into a round and the other team hasn't started hunting yet
There's a tonne of time to fill and they're just trying to keep themselves focused and involved
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I get the impression that production has decided to go for the laid back style. Hard to justify a three person cast otherwise and all the mad stuff they're doing in between the games. I get where you're coming from. My feeling is it comes from there being too much counterstrike these days and actually a lot of the rounds a bit dull
its not just the casters fault.
ive said this before, its also the event managers who are to blame. EPL wanted 4 groups 4 weeks, and its BOREDOM GALORE.
for EPL the ""talents"" needed to fill about 50% downtime, idk how many hours per day that makes. so they thought of all the dumbest things they could imagine.
we are seeing the most meaningless interviews and infantile games they could imagine.
with all respect, i like the casual setting but not for so long and with the most meaningless content ever.
summit just did it better.
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dude this is just groups only maps that even matter are those for elimination where the casters do indeed wake up
+1 the games are so boring nowadays, everyone playing for time and saving, no exciting plays
and even when there are cool highlights, the casters just brush it off and casually talk like nothing happened
it's so bad
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Csgo is repetitive game
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lol no hate at all, just sad that the games are not as exciting as when casters really do their job. Imagin football commentators only talking about their personal stuff
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its ofc just my perspective but I wish they would talk more about facts that belong to cs, I would find it also strange if I watch a cookingshow and they start talking about cs most of the time ^^
its not ATK vs Astralis, watching FaZe vs Vitality was fucking terrible, especially the first half and right from the start before FaZe even got any lead
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the anubis match was terrible. literally just a stomp on both halves. not really much to talk about
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literally could just talk about why anubis is so t sided
yes it was a stomp 3 rounds into the game, can u read what you're replying to
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it was. spunj literally called it out right at that point. maybe listen to the thing youre complaining about before complaining.
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I like the Summit casting style. That's what makes Summit tournaments so enjoyable.
Like so many things in life, they are doing their job to earn more money, you arent the target audience anymore. Deal with it.
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that era was so good. explained strats, executes, talked about players etc. there was some banter here and there but the casters were focussed on the game and knew when to switch back to casting. now theyre clueless and just talk bullshit.
You notice it especially when you switch to the B stream (when available) and Bardolph + hawwka are casting (when available). Then switch back to A stream and insta mute
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Thats sooo true!
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true true
mute them and play an audio book or a lecture in the background. you might actually learn something while you watch CS
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I get what you mean but i think its not nearly as exciting without good commentators hyping or at least the sound of the game :(
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I cant understand how people not get hyped about NAVI vs ASTRALIS in f*ckn Groupstage
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Because it's a groupstage match between Navi that has been pretty bad this year and Astralis that has been bad for 2+ years and there is nothing on the line since it's not an elimination match.
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Its still top cs, they play better than anyone commenting on hltv will ever be capable of and for the 50k people watching these games its just sad...
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The games are still unimportant especially the non elimination matches. I believe they will have more traditional casting and desk segments when the playoffs start and especially in semis and final. Also it would be different if it was for example 2019 Navi vs Astralis but both teams are simply not as interesting anymore and are currently playing really messy and mistake heavy CS compared to many other tier 1 teams.
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I wish your standarts were that high when it comes to casting xD
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I'm a player and a fan of the game first so the game being played is far more important to me than how it's presented in terms of casting and the desk segments/post-game analysis.
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Me too, whats make me wonder how good you must be talking like that about pro teams. Even Global is a completly different game than t3 pros...
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Well Global is really bad and everyone can easily get that. I'm 3,5k elo in Faceit.
+1 if you get excited about it you're only excited about old legacies
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lol t3 still better than most ppl can only dream about
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ok you gotta be baiting
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Not really. The amount of off-topics they talk during a csgo match is definitely much higher this event than before. I don't mind them chilling and not only talking about the game at hand, but I would really much expect them to talk about csgo related topics when casting a csgo game.
I don't like the casting in this event personally.
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The speak-in-ryhme cast on overpass was great though xD
True, theyre shit. I get what theyre trying to do but they need to understand WHEN they can do it. Many times a lot is happening in game and they just totally ignore it and be like "oh lol something happened" and go back to proper casting. Its all over the place right now and some topics are super boring / cringe.
Group stage games aren't as hype as playoff games with an audience. Plus, they have been doing this for like 3 weeks.
Its a group stage so most of the matches dont really mean anything or the skill disparity between teams is massive. You can't really analyse these games because the better team will likely not use the majority of their stratbook and will resort to simply out aiming the other team. You'll see a major change in casting for the NaVi vs Spirit game because its a qualification match involving 'top' teams who need to win. Also its the 4th week of groups and they're probably getting bored of casting unimportant games.
It should be proper casting in playoffs though without a doubt.
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There where many games i.e. navi vs astralis which are even in groupstage exciting... When they are bored and overworked/washed EPL needs more casters to rotate them and give them enough rest...
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Aren't they doing that anyway? I swear its a new 3 every game of the day.
It probably also doesn't help that they're allowing the desk hosts and analysts to cast the games aswell. Cause imo the matches where either Spunj, Machine, Harry or any of the actual casters are usually pretty well casted, its more the games with the talent that aren't usually casters that can devolve into more of a podcast.
EPL isnt serious if u lose a game u still have 10 chances to go thro
As someone who watches 500+ hours/year of tier 1 CS (last year had 400+ hr watchtime on Twitch and I watch a lot on Youtube streams as well) I really don't mind that the casting is very chill and not super focused on the game especially in these unimportant groupstage matches where the teams will still have more chances to get to playoffs or the elimination matches where it's lower tier teams playing against each other.
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This is a more laid back and relaxed cast, which is what Spunj wanted for EPL. It's silly sometimes but at least they take some chances and learn a few things along the way.
I hope that this type of casting is something they only use in this tournament and not for Katowice, Cologne, blast events or iem event etc
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they think they are like cs summit but it's just castrated family friendly safespace version of that
It seems like they think they're far more interesting than they're and they have far too much job safety for how unimpressive most of them are.
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This EPL has taken a lot of inspiration from BTS, with more relaxed casting that is more focused on the personality of the talent, rather then the games. I personally like this a lot, especially when it is one with so many matches, and some that are a lot less important then others. When it gets to the play-offs the casting is going to be more professionel.
Because this EPL is kinda shit. Half the teams have a stand in, only G2 and heroic are looking somewhat good. The 2 best teams in group D are ence and forze and the most exciting is rare atoms. You can't cast a 2023 astralis like a 2019 astralis, especially when they're currently 1-1 vs ATK
EPL has gone with a whole other vibe and I love it. This used to be my least favorite event, but now its much better. They have gone with a much more chill, laidback and fun vibe for the groups, and for the playoffs I assume they will get much more serious and hyped. This really reminds me of cs summit, which I have really missed
will be differenty in playofffs
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im cool with the laid back style but who cares about harrys favourite summer time activitys ?
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lol maybe then dont watch cs and follow some influencers on insta ?
i dont think they are bad but i agree with you when you say they talk a lot about other stuff outside of the game, sometimes its too much random stuff with no context and not funny at all.
i understand that casting like 9 hours a day can be exausting and boring sometimes and they need to let off some steam but they are also professionals doing their job so they should know to balance fun and serious during the game which they dont.
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idk I kinda like when they talk about inside stuffs about teams and themselves. It's more of a chill vibe. Ofc they are casting the game when there is action going on but when there's stalemate and there's nothing else to comment about the situation casters do generally talk about something else to let the audience kept engaged
I just love this style of casting, casters are way too funny to not give them freedom to wonder away from the game sometimes
Imagine getting paid for talking nonsense while watching a videogame
Actually the best casting I've seen.
They are Caster, not Commentators. It makes the streams more fun and entertaining when the casters are just goofing around.
Also, it's the group stage of EPL, also known as the most boring tier-1 tournament in CSGO. The system is boring, and they are making it into the most enjoyable tournament in years.
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it's mostly t2/3 teams battling it out somehow people don't understand this
extremely true
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Makes all of these tier 2/3 games way more enjoyable. Whenever the t1 games come the casters all step it up. This EPL casting is some of the best CS has ever seen. A storied cast of top shelf casters who don't really care about being too formal. It's a lot of fun and they're serious when they need to be.
I agree with this post
I love when casters spice it up a little and talk about random things which isn't always connected to the events or even CS, but it feels that the whole event up until now is just casters talking about random ass things and the real casters are the guest pro players who come to the panel
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1) double elimination means half the games are actually meaningless
2) teams play worse, no one really cares to win EPL except maybe Faze and Vitality, one cause of Grand Slam, other cause that's the only thing they may win when no one else cares.
3) What the hell do you talk about on force buy and then an eco, then a timeout - that's 5 minutes of nothing in game.
Because this is the concept of this EPL. Have good cs but still a fun and chill atmosphere with some silly stuff. I dont mind it at all tbh
Like many others have already explained that you OP haven't really acknowledged , the EPL this time around is based on how Summit events got castes which is the laid back style which imo suits the EPL since it's full of 5 week boredom and serious casting every game makes it a snoozefest.
This non serious attitude is the only reason why I have tuned into the event this time around.
CS is full of Tier 1 events happening all the time , you can skip this one tournament if you don't like how it goes but it's the first time EPL has been worth watching in a long time and this way of casting is only for this event. We will be serious again from the next .
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As many others already stated its not the laid back casting thats the problem, its the absolute trashtalking in some matches with absolutely zero usefull information to the game... Its still about playing CS.. Ofc not every match is as exciting as the finals but there is so little commentating on the games you could think they just stream for fun out of their home not talking on an CS game.
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Maybe for you its boring, but for many others not. They and also myself enjoy watching CS played by pro teams. "We" dont need trash commentary about something else than CS - thats WHY Im watching it... Ofc I can skip watching this CS-Tournament but shouldnt an CS-Tournament be about CS ? Maybe people like you who wants to get entertained with other stuff than CS just watch something different? Maybe some cooking show on TV
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Apparently it is boring for many others as well , as evident from the comments on this post alone but like i said in my very first comment , you havent acknowledged them.
"We" definitely do need trash commentary in events which span over a month and generally include boring matchups with no story or anything with uninteresting teams and games that dont matter in the long run. Its just one tournament out of the plethora of we get over the year and its got you twisting your knickers cause "MOM THEY ARENT CASTING REAL CS ON ONE EVENT AND ONE EVENT ONLY , I CRIIIIIIIII"
grow up mate , its just one tournament and there definitely are fans of whats happening in this one. I used to skip this tournament but not this year , i suggest you to do the same, again if it doesnt interest you.
Dont tune into ESL or Blast channels for 11 more days and you will get back your "serious" commentary with almost identical teams, cant be that hard now can it be ?
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hahaha ok kid, arguing with you is just a waste of time since you cant read. Alone in this post there are many comments that back up my complain, but stay on your imaginary high horse. Not everyone needs sensational matches with a story to enjoy them. There are many people who dont need clout to just enjoy watching CS...
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i am not the one being a kid and rather the one wasting my time here since you apparently cant read the comments already part of this thread that support the type of commentary they are pulling off for this event. Its not a high horse but rather a breath of fresh air for people who follow every Tier 1 tournament and have become bored with mundane commentary and uninteresting matchups.
Again , you can ignore the event. Thats always an option but sure , you can go ahead and complain and whine like a little baby while at it.
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again completly missed the point xD You can go back to watching fortnite streamers now
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simple simply xD
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Imagine casting EPL season 17 and still caring....
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what season is english premier league on now?
how are they still managing to talk about football all the time?
Yeah it's too out of limits now. They've tried to sort of "ENTERTAIN" us but it feels weird tbh. The off game stuff is fine but during a match even if it is ATK vs RARE ATOM, they should've done justice to their roles.
I really like it, they give 0 fucks about the game, in the 'desk' too, that's really awesome, makes it so much more fun to watch.
I dont have any problem with it. I have eyes so I can see whats happening, I dont need someone to tell me that.
Bro stopped watching with casters after 2019… was the last year of true talent out there. Now gotv>
Now, u got lads like machien spunj harry hugo that think theyre casters lmfao speaking of their own hobbies and real life issues while they are esl puppets and nothinMore
👎👎👎
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I noticed that on Russian streams casters speak 75% of time about CS and situations in rounds and 25% about various stories and spam. When I go to the English stream it is completely opposite there - casters are yelling some nonsense that has nothing to do with the game and I leave in a minute, it's good that I have a choice
It's EPL group stage. When have you ever seen this kind of production aside from summit? Good cheerful group stage broadcast which is quite nice. Don't pretend like you would sit there and listen to them break down that exciting match roosters v, grayhound.... Playoffs will off course be up scaled
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Chill vibe
It's annoying but apparently the broader mass wants the "streamer" kind of vibe while watching sports. I want them the focus on the game. That's also why I think it's annoying to listen to pros in the cast talking like it's an interview simultaneously.
Bur ofc ESL have.said to the casters in groups that they need to be casual and talk about random shit
Blast with Scrawny and Lau is so much better!
Come on, not every event needs to be super serious, especially not one which has a group stage that goes on for like 500 weeks with triple elimination.
Let EPL (group stage) have this goofy vibe and lesve the super serious casts to Cologne, Kato, the Majors, etc.
Several reasons
It started during the lockdown, when few casters had to do this almost 24/7 due to covid restrictions and other reasons
That was when Spunj and Alex became a casting duo, even though one was a host and the other an on-desk analyst at the time
People enjoyed them so much that they quickly became the most beloved duo out their
Other casters coming through tried to copy what they thought was the winning concept of the duo
So that's one of the reasons, the other is the oversaturated part of the games. We see the same match-ups way too often so the casters, who are too few IMO, just keep saying the same things over and over again, and therefore have to talk about other things (mainly due to them not being the best casters out there, but still getting the biggest gigs).
The formats are also not entertaining and the casters and on-air talent don't really invest time and effort into conveying the significants of the formats, the series, the rounds, etc.
The CSGO pro scene is in heavy decline, but if anyone on air would say that they'd lose audience, so they try to hide it by not even talking about the shit games
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That's why
youtube.com/watch?v=pRQ0qL760qc
Them not taking this tournament as serious as others makes it worth watching, summit is gone and this event takes a WHOLE MONTH and instead of skipping matches I'd never watch I actually watched 2 full groups because of how chill it is + watched matches I wouldn't because of a pro casting. If they didn't do this you would 10000000000000000000000000% make a post talking about how boring Pro League is.
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it's good - you're the nerd in chat that demands the ECO gets commentary
cause its group stage, stakes are low, this happens often in group stages idk why u are surprised anyways, its chill af to watch it as well
Triple elim, 4 week group stage. They actually got creative with it. I think this is one of the best things they could have done for such a long, drawn-out format. It was thoroughly entertaining.
Part of what made the CS scene good pre-COVID was the fact you had different tournaments that took different approaches (BTS is a perfect example - even more relaxed than this). EPL group stages have been horrifically repetitive and boring in the last couple years, and not very entertaining. It needed a fresh take and this was a step in the right direction.
As evidenced by the vast number of commenters here who enjoyed this group stage approach, many fans disagree with you. As a business, ESL is wise to vary their production strategy throughout the tournament season to appeal to different types of viewers. Was it perfect? No, and there were times when casters *could* have been more focused on the game; but there's so. much. CS. all. year. Give them two EPL group stages each year to have some fun, try stuff, improvise a bit, etc. I think the scene will benefit massively as a result even if it means a few matches have some unfocused casting.
Can guarantee the playoffs will be more focused, as they should be.
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+1 very good
Cry Is free
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Summit-like style is great. I'm playing this game for nearly 12 years. I don't need this serious casting with strats explanations. This is bullshit, i just wanna have some fun.
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average french trash talking
I dont get it, why would anyone wants a personal show about the casters, when its about a game called counterstrike, I think laid back and chilled casting and commenting is great and ofc its "just" group stage, but why does it have to be off-topic to be laid back and chill? Why cant casters talk about game related stuff in a chill and laidback style?
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says the guy that propably playes on gold 4 xD
It's because the whole format of the EPL groups is a chill atmosphere, so what they do is they take that to the cast as well. Its a super long tournament, with quite a few games.
Kind of refreshing to have some more chilled out commentary here and there, I think.
The addition of players on cast was great, for example, the questions to them and their insights not only on the current game were super fun.
bcoz it’s group stage game no#500 and it’s full eco. The environment will change now it’s playoffs
They don't consider it a serious event apparently which is weird because they seem to treat the big events like shit too considering what they're dressed like for them
Im watching and playing cs since 2004 and I love the laid back style as I stated multiple times, but I enjoy cs and not some personal sope opera shit from the casters about their boring ass life... simple as that... not so hard to understand :)
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