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should I go to college / university in the US or EU, what do you guys think?
doing aerospace engineering
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US for superior resources / alumni network / education / campus / salaries.
EU is cheaper, except if it’s in the UK. And even then you’re in debt due to housing. And that doesn’t really matter if you’re doing aerospace engineering and getting a good salary or going in-state.
US seems obvious. Aerospace engineer salaries in the EU are like $50k as well.
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Damn thats one wrong Point after the other ^^
First ofc EU is way cheaper.. Even if you go to Munich for example (besides maybe UK the best Uni for Engineering) the rent will be between 500-1000€ a month (depends if u get into university funded housing or not)
If you want good education EU is like 100% better.. networking is way better in US. Campus: ok if you only want to stay on campus US is 3000% better -> EU University require you to Go to parks or other popular Sites to experience „Uni Life“
Salary before taxes are also the Same … after taxes u ofc get more in the US… but you wont have to sell your House and your whole family if you get ill.
Though working for us companys is way nicer then working for german/eu companys…
Engineering it’s Kinda equal but espacially all the IT Companys from EU are way worse then US based. All of my Friends studying IT subjects always say it’s best working for an US Company, But it must be from inside of the EU!
All the benefits of the US combined with the benefits of the EU
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You just wrote an extremely long Euro-cope post while typing in the most obnoxiously ignorant way possible.
I said EU is cheaper… literally the second sentence in my comment. No, higher education in the EU is not better. Not by any metric I’ve seen such as research and productivity. “One wrong point after another” …
Did you seriously, unironically claim that EU and USA salaries are the same? How are you a real person? USA salaries are significantly higher and the taxes are lower. This is all easily looked up with the power of Google.
Stop seething, what a load of cringe and ego-fueled desperation to defend “muh region.” The irony is palpable.
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Notice how he presented his points calmy and without unnecessary buzzwords/insults.
While you immediately go on a rant, because unironically, he hurt YOUR ego by comparing EU with NA and not subscribing to your deranged NA-centrism.
It really makes you look like an even bigger clown than you already are.
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bro while the us guy is coping and an idiot but the euro guy doesn't know shit. Actually bringing up healthcare when the guy is talking about being an aero engi makes him look like someone who knows nothing about the US and it's because he doesn't and top tier American unis will always have the best professors.
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1st of all what #95 said...
2nd. just look up by what metrics these Uni scores are made.. its way easier for Unis in UK or US to score good just cause everythings in english.
I dont want to take away that these unis are bad.. and for engineering the MIT is maybe the best Uni to go to. But the TUM in Munich will be very close. Its main focus is engineering while also being located next to the Headquarters of BMW (and arguable Audi).
Im working for Microsoft in munich and before taxes I earn the same then my Colleges from the US.
I studyed in Germany and the US. So about the education this is 100% the personal experience of me and my friends. And while it was very nice in the US, there is just way less pressure then in germany and everything is explained slower leading to you not being able to get through as much Stuff as you get to learn in germany.
So as u put it in your own words: Stop seething, what a load of cringe and ego-fueled desperation to defend “muh region.” The irony is palpable.
have a nice day
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Amerikanski got destroyed, your original comment was fair to both sides... Meanwhile this guy sounds like he did not even read all of your comment and just went on kneejerk reaction to defend Muhrica land of the free land of the brave
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asia
My advise is that you do not take advises from hltv regarding your future
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haha
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fair enough
well i am a little biased towards eu for a few reasons, starting with gun laws ending with some other things that will get me banned on this beautiful website
but I guess for you it should be other way around
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let me kiss you in that hot mouth
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no
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Begone
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kiss mine instead
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Sounds like a deal
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Hey I meant my mouth not ass
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I think you should do it in EU because money
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"because money" what?
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6 figures tuition in USA for crap education if you are not enrolled on ivy league
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There's plenty of good unis that aren't ivy league
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When I google Ivy League it says there are 8 universities. When yall refer as Ivy League are you referring to those 8?
I have seen this name on lot of places so I feel like it's more than those 8 universities. I am not sure.
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There are 8 official Ivy League schools in the US. It's somewhat meaningless in terms of the actual education. You can get a strong education and have access to a helpful alumni network at hundreds of schools in the US. Ivy League looks amazing on resume and the alumni are generally more helpful when it comes to working for prestigious companies
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I see. Thanks!
Because in my admittedly limited understanding European (German) Universities generally have no or low tuition fees while US Universities cost a lot of money to attend
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+1 I pay no tuition and only 300-400€ fee during semester for stuff like bus/train ticket, "verwaltungsgebühren" etc.
I just looked up the tuition cost for the good USA unis, and its like fucking 50k+ for Standford, Penn, Havard per year
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1.500€ fee for non-EU students per semester...but this is part-time job territory and not live-savings of a middle-high class family/studium
Yeah I also enrolled in University after Abitur to snatch some Kindergeld, only paid 250 something Euros per semester
Tbh it's worth it if you can get in. You'll be on the A track for life.
damn, guess I'm gonna move to Germany
yes
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USA IS bad
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3rd highest median income per person and makes up a quarter of the world's economy
Why are euroids so ignorant?
Infinity budget is US have you seen those campus in big university it's fucking crazy you can't compete with any university. But if don't have that much money going to EU is probably the best, you will have a good education and probably won't go bankrupt because of a student debt.
US has better quality in that field and more opportunities, but EU has better value. The downside to US is competition. even though there are more jobs in that area, it's still a crowded field full of 'imports' that are given 'special considerations' despite having low performance records.
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come to supaero 😎
(You prob wont pass the test anyway xd)
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well if you're good enough to do these
concours-centrale-supelec.fr/CentraleSup..
You can do everything xd
Anyway if you have the money stay in the US
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Good luck
Glad im out of all this shit
US
Especially for your major
You should do this, if you have the grades...
kth.se/en/studies/master/aerospace-engin..
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>doing aerospace engineering
You will be swimming in money, women and respect. Almost no one will be able to take your job and you will be needed everywhere. Good argument?
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It literally means "Yes, go for it".
There's not enough smart people to become engineers in aerospace branch. I am retarded, for example.
And the ladies will like to bed a young stud like you, right? Go for it, study hard and then relax until you die
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still didn't answer question
you actually think engineers pull girls lol
dont do it, massive waste of time
just more indoctrination to become a good wage slave
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bro we are one and the same
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Its true and i realized that a bit later even tho i had a great school and top tier company
All of this could satisfy some people "hey look at me i work for a famous company and i studied this im so cool"
but you're just another number that will stay in front of a computer
citizenship is important for aerospace, if you american citizen, go to a good american university and defense companies will hire you if u have a pulse
A friend of mine studied about the same as you, and he chose to go to Caltech over staying at Copenhagen University.
He also happened to meet his future wife (Chinese/Canadian) there. Now they live and work in England.
(Another friend went to study phd in Ulm, Germany. He met his italian future wife there. They now live in Denmark. Ulm is a really nice place to study, right in the center of Europe. The wife thing seems to be mandatory.)
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I think their shared academic/intellectual mindset was a stronger factor than nationality etc in both cases. They were really well matched and prepared to give their partner the space to stay connected with their family and culture.
Also, once you´re openminded enough to study abroad, then maybe you´re more prepared to meet someone from another country and also to settle in another country. That was the point I was trying to make.
university isnt really about education. its about memorizing things and then forget them after u are graduated ^^
speaking if it were me.. id recommend do USA if u can, unless you have a personal connection somewhere in europe, you will probably open more doors for yourself in your homeland than abroad. once u get into the right door out of uni you can take it anywhere in the world u want to later, with a lot more control and freedom over your situation
US, go top tier or in state. take out loans if you gotta, you're worth it. a US degree is worth its weight in gold. EU degrees are fine but their universities just aren't quite robust enough for it to be worth paying the foreigner tuition premium.
Just go to a good state school. Don't overthink. Simplest answer is sometimes the best. Unless you really have your heart set on something else for emotional (not financial) reasons.
yes
University only plays a part of your life. The people network in your grad time is way more important than the name of your University, unless your study area is direct bond to some University names that are very influent.
If I was you I would to EU, meet new people from very different cultures in the 4 or 5 years there learn 1 or 2 new language you don't speak and enjoy your life without regrets.
EU unless you want to be illiterate after graduating
If you can get in then Delft Uni of Tech in Netherlands is one of the best schools for aerospace engineering in the world
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+1, I have friends studying at TU Delft majoring in Computing Science and I've generally heard very positive things about the university and the teaching methods, especially the Aerospace Engineering degree.
But honestly I don't know any other Aerospace engineering degree in Europe aside from Delft and UK which offer courses in English, so I don't know if it's worth making this step since he mentioned he can get a scholarship in his state (unless you want to travel more in Europe, of course, which is worth it in my opinion).
Toulouse is a great place for aerospace en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospace_Valley
If you have money or don't want discover new culture stay in the US tho
As an Engineer fully sold on anything in the EU, I recommend the US. If you want to do aerospace, that's where the real shit's at.
come to germany aachen they have a good university for you
My friend works for Roy's Royce aeroplane engine facility as a constructor. You might easly get the job with european diploma, but you will get more money in the US obviously.
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"The university intellectuals also play an important role in carrying out the System's trick. Though they like to fancy themselves independent thinkers, the intellectuals are (allowing for individual exceptions) the most oversocialized, the most conformist, the tamest and most domesticated, the most pampered, dependent, and spineless group in America today..."
Become a plumber or something, you'll make more money and you won't get brainwashed.
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do you have many for US universities
idk how expensive is for americans to study in EU but probably cheaper and theres really good universities in EU
if its expensive then no, if cheap or free than yea
Consider the fact people come from all over the world to US/Canada for schooling, and then ask yourself again if you should go abroad
So this is the thing, since aerospace engineering is basically just really advanced rocket science, the US doesnt allow foreigners to work in aerospace engineering related jobs, I believe this is true for other countries as well for safety issues. Since caltech has the best aerospace engineering plan in the world I think the answer is a no brainer
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