Forum thread: VP has 2 majors now?

Personally i don't think so It is more historic that a "Orgless team" won a major.

2023-03-28 16:22

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they were never orgless

2023-03-28 16:30

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They probably still got payed by VP and are still under-contract by VP but the rules didn't work the same for them as they did for the other teams. Whether or not we call them "orgless" is another debate. The entire purpose was to make a statement about not wanting teams to be involved with Russian Oligarchs. If they walked back on their decision it would be counteractive

2023-03-28 16:35

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What do you mean "if"? They already did by reinstating VP. There was nothing that changed about VP in the time between their rebranding as Outsiders for ESL/Blast events and their reinstatement, it was entirely an issue of ESL and Blast. Meanwhile, let's not forget ForZe is allowed to openly compete with a Lukoil sponsorship plastered on their jerseys and even in their in-game names for some online events. If the line is supposed to be "stamp out connections with Russian oligarchs at every possible opportunity" ESL and Blast have failed the most basic of eye-tests in that regard and cannot be taken seriously.

2023-03-28 16:38

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Didn't VP literally sell their entire company in September 2022 for 2.8 million USD??? They used to be owned by ESForce who allegedly has connections to Russian Oligarchs. I believe the delay in name change was because of verifaction issues. Basically they worried that the armenian who know owns VP was basically just a stand-in to make it look like VP didn't get oligarch money. And that's a completely fair criticism now first off Forze hasn't participated in any Blast events (except the major qualifier which they don't control in the first place) And i can't tell you why that is. They made a statement with VP and gambit and in both instances it worked. Both Gambit and VP ended up selling their team or entire org because of the sanctions. Now why is Forze allowed to play? Idk, maybe because not enough people cared. Maybe (though unlikely) Forze somehow was able to argue their way out of it. Or perhaps the rules are different for owners and sponsors.

2023-03-29 00:38

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That's not new. Richard Lewis, correct as he seemingly always is when given any amount of time, had already stated what had happened last year with the sale of the org. Unsurprisingly his sources were 100% correct. Why the delay for ESL and Blast, enormous orgs with guaranteed equal if not better sources and connections as RL? Spirit is another team that comes to mind where there is 0 transparency, and apparently people don't even ask. Where does their money come from? Where does their prize money go? We'll never know, and ESL and Blast don't even seem to care enough to ask. ESL and Blast are frauds. They held VP to absurd standards, and gave free passes to everyone else.

2023-03-29 18:40

VP were sold to some armenians, thats what changed

2023-03-29 05:52

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#16

2023-03-29 18:25

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#94

2023-03-29 18:27

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Releasing a financial report is not vital when the key component, transfer of the org, was known. What do you think ESL was waiting for? The specific amount of money transferred in something as specific as a financial report? Why? You think they weren't aware of ownership transfer prior to that?

2023-03-29 18:54

VP was with this new owner since april last year, nothing changed since that time.

2023-03-28 16:41

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The previous owner (VK) released their financial report a few weeks ago, showing that they actually sold VP, that's what changed.

2023-03-29 18:25

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oh ok

2023-03-29 18:25

2023-03-29 15:25

"historic ?" nobody remembers this major appart from having the most toxic crowd and the winner to be a complete fluke with 5 nonamers

2023-03-28 18:18

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+6millionfourhoundredfiftythousand

2023-03-28 18:22

*4 nonamers

2023-03-29 01:26

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Yeah true but Jame is still kinda irrelevant

2023-03-29 14:56

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Hes not taking about Jame hes talking about god N0rb3r7

2023-03-29 15:21

2023-03-29 05:08

The crowd was great, one of the most epic crowds any esports tournament has ever witnessed, but we weren't cheering for your team :) And it's not our fault S1mple couldn't handle it lol

2023-03-29 15:06

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so great you disappeared completely while your team were not playin, great crowd indeed

2023-03-29 15:09

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We'll see if the french are going to cheer for brazilian teams when EU teams are not playing then. I really doubt it

2023-03-29 15:11

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France will cheer for any team in the final and actually show up to watch them pick up the trophy

2023-03-29 15:22

yes they will. look up antwerp major, golden honerts, the whole arena will be like that, for every matches

2023-03-29 15:28

for brazilians idk but for any team that attend the final yes

2023-03-29 19:01

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I was not in the final, not because there were no brazilian teams playing, its because I had to fly back to my home town cuz I had to work on monday :( I'd definetly cheer for outsiders cuz JAAAAAME TIME

2023-03-29 19:08

Have you never watched a major CS event in Europe in the last 10 years or something? Every Cologne, regardless of German teams/players, the crowd shows up and cheers. Every Katowice, regardless of Polish players and teams, the crowd shows up and cheers. Every Malmo, Jonkoping, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Lisbon, Antwerp, Kiev, London, Odense, Krakow, Bucharest, Leipzig, Belgrade... the list is fucking endless, and crowds are always present to cheer for whoever is playing the game and playing it well. Not comically biased only cheering for teams of their nationality. Because, this might seem crazy, but most esports fans are not like soccer/football fans. Emptying the arena after the home favourite has lost is not normal. Booing the away team is not normal. Spitting on pros is not normal. SK won Cologne 2016. Did the German crowd just stop cheering at the final with NA and BR team? No.

2023-03-31 18:48

crowd was awfull, this is not a football crowd to chant shit all the time and trashtalk + spit on the players, get humble

2023-03-29 15:31

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Oh man I wish we could have been like football crowd, lighting flares and making that arena fucking shake

2023-03-29 19:10

middle fingers and spitting is indeed very epic

2023-03-29 19:01

5 no namers? - NaVi uses James meta now (most T1 teams do), - FL1T was NaVi’s dream support player (perf3cto was the second option), - fame and N0rb3rt maybe no name but fame was already being recognized by the best riflers such as elec and hobbit - Qikert well known player and major finalist Keep coping

2023-03-29 15:37

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sure sure sure sure "Keep coping" I wouldve replied to each of your statement if it wasnt for this "keep c*ping" used by retards who have no vocabulary other than twitter expressions...

2023-03-29 19:00

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No one wants your reply, respect players who made two major finals clown.

2023-03-29 20:04

They were not orgless and it was not historic /closed

2023-03-29 11:41

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They were not orgless, but I personally think it was historical, they kinda created this "saving" meta. It's really boring to watch, but it ended up being the most efficient way to play the game at this point in time and still is.

2023-03-29 15:03

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It's the efficient but not the most successful

2023-03-29 18:07

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I'd say winning a major is pretty successful

2023-03-29 18:10

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Winning a fluke major is not only through their tactics, it's more luck involved. They are a tier 1, no doubt. But the major was fluke and one of the most boring finals I've seen. Hell, i would say it was one of the most boring majors except the crowd in only BR team matches (typical BR crowd)

2023-03-29 18:29

they weren't orgless, vp still payed them, they just weren't allowed to represet their org until just now

2023-03-29 18:13

Nothing in the vp org has changed from IEM rio to now, they were an armenian-owned org back then and still are. The players were paid by them, they just couldn't represent themselves as the org for no reason anymore. The trophy was sent to vp.

2023-03-29 19:06

More like censored

2023-03-29 21:37

they didn't win it, Outsiders did.

2023-03-28 16:22

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what has changed in ownership since major win?

2023-03-28 16:29

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bro I was don't know this details. All I know is that Outsiders was and are the winners of IEM Rio major, it just what it says

2023-03-28 18:15

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They went to VP HQ to celebrate dude

2023-03-29 15:08

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And? Show me where it says that the organization Virtus.Pro won the Rio Major. It says Outsiders In game and out of game.

2023-03-29 19:01

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enter in the virtuspro instagram and watch the manager of VIRTUSPRO opening the package with the trophy and putting it on their trophy stand

2023-03-29 19:02

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Why would I go to virtus pro instagram when Outsiders won the major?

2023-03-29 19:45

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go to outsiders instagram, then. Oh yeah, there is no outsiders instagram, cuz they are VirtusPro :P

2023-03-29 19:48

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if Outsiders is Virtus Pro, How come its says that Outsiders won the IEM Rio major? The players are the same, but Virtus pro did not represent them at IEM Rio.

2023-03-29 21:27

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I don't think you have the right amount of IQ needed to understand this. But its not only the players that are the same, is their contractors, their staff, their coach, their psychologist, their sponsors, their location and such... And in the end, the org counts as nothing, what remains is the players who actually won. Here in Brazil for example, Fallen and team won 2 majors with two different tags, the legacy that remains is that they are still major champions, and no one cares about Luminosity or SK, the important are the players :)

2023-03-29 21:33

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I aren't reading all that, The fact remains that the players won the iem Rio Major under the Outsiders Banner.

2023-03-29 21:41

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I'm not saying you are wrong by stating that. But the title of the topic is "VP has 2 majors now?" And there are TWO major trophies in VirtusPro HQ Plus, there is no Outsiders banner or name on the trophy itself, it just says "INTEL EXTREME MASTERS RIO 2022" and the ESL logo underneath. Bye

2023-03-29 21:51

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Ok, VP has only won 1 major. They may own two trophies, but the Rio one was awarded to Outsiders

2023-03-29 22:23

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Finally you agreed they have two majors Congratulations

2023-03-30 13:22

VP also have the trophy hehe

2023-03-28 16:23

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unless the players refused to give the people that pay them the trophy of course they do

2023-03-29 18:14

No, Outsiders logo should be eternal. Long live the purple.

2023-03-28 16:23

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i love it too <3

2023-03-29 00:47

twitter.com/luismmira/status/16385356641..

2023-03-28 16:23

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2023-03-28 16:27

That clears it up, nice

2023-03-28 16:35

twitter.com/LO5T4/status/163853610274204..

2023-03-28 16:37

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facts

2023-03-28 18:27

truth

2023-03-28 22:50

+1 VP=Outsiders

2023-03-29 01:11

No, they weren't representing VP

2023-03-28 16:23

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vp paid their salaries

2023-03-29 00:45

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what logo was on the jerseys when they were on stage? /closed

2023-03-29 00:47

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Lets all pretend for eternity they werent vp because they wore black shirts while under vp contract When simple wear not navi shirt is he orgless player?

2023-03-29 00:49

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u are braindead sorry. They were playing under the team outsiders. simple as that brother no way around it.

2023-03-29 00:50

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No they were playing for VP but forced to not show the name

2023-03-29 00:51

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What was the name on the roster during the event? why argue with me? nomatter what you say, my opinion nor how esl, valve , or blast see it, it was outsiders.

2023-03-29 00:52

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If a man wears a cat mask hes not a cat Hes a man wearing a cat mask If VP wears black shirt theyre not outsiders Theyre VP wearing black shirts

2023-03-29 00:56

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Youre a moron im done speaking to someone who cant comprehend a basic concept

2023-03-29 00:58

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well, it was not a separate entity/org it was essentially the same org, under a neutral tag

2023-03-29 01:12

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the tag was outsiders, that was the team 5 players were registered under. the 5 players registered under outsiders won. /closed once again

2023-03-29 01:20

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liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Outsiders as I said in 41, same org, same entity, same thing :)

2023-03-29 11:38

Hahah nice one

2023-03-29 01:31

You can say whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact the the "Outsiders" trophy is in VirtusPro HQ And they went there to celebrate And during the time they were "Outsiders" they were still posting pictures and videos with VP jerseys on instagram ESL may have banned the tag, but they never stopped being part of VirtusPro

2023-03-29 15:17

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outsiders major + ratio fallen fan

2023-03-29 15:25

they were representing VP, actually

2023-03-29 15:12

they were, just weren't allowed to have the logo or team name because TO's are racist and only care about money

2023-03-29 18:15

2023-03-28 16:25

obviously no

2023-03-28 16:33

We all know it is, but officially the Major win will still be attributed to 'Outsiders'

2023-03-28 16:43

Vp no.

2023-03-28 18:17

Yes, 2 and 3rd incoming

2023-03-29 00:38

Just give vp the major ffs Not a single person on that roster has anything to do with the war

2023-03-29 00:47

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You literally just explained why there is no reason to give the major to vp

2023-03-29 05:09

who cares about fluke majors?

2023-03-29 00:49

Yes

2023-03-29 00:53

yes, vp and outsiders are essentially the same org

2023-03-29 01:13

Still doesn't change the FACT THAT JAME IS THE BIGGEST FLUKE MAJOR WINNER OF ALL TIME

2023-03-29 04:44

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2023-03-29 05:07

2023-03-29 11:44

flag

2023-03-29 14:58

no n0rber7 is worse

2023-03-29 18:15

+100

2023-03-29 18:25

+1 IEM Rio major didn't happen in my book

2023-03-31 18:49

outsiders = vp

2023-03-29 04:46

we all know it was the same guys smurfing kind of makes cs and the prestige of the major look shit if an orgless team can come along and win it, major does not hold the same value if orgless outsiders is one of the victors looks better for cs go image and the "major" if its a vp win

2023-03-29 04:55

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even if they weren't allowed to technically represent vp they still got payed and accomidated by the org

2023-03-29 18:16

So i can make a team called outsiders and said my org won a major?

2023-03-29 05:01

I mean vp has the trophy and paid the players

2023-03-29 05:06

Someone should make an actual org called outsiders. Cool colors cool logo and already has more fans than some teams.

2023-03-29 05:16

VP never won Rio Major, Outsiders did. No matter who paid their salaries! + you can't even say that Outsiders won, Rio Major shouldn't have even exist. Toxic & cheating crowd.

2023-03-29 11:51

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2023-03-29 11:53

2/8

2023-03-29 14:57

both trophies are in their office if you like it or not

2023-03-29 14:59

Of course they do, VP won the Rio Major

2023-03-29 15:00

ofc, they always did

2023-03-29 15:15

ESL databases and such won't be changed, there it will be Outsiders that won and this will probably forever stay so but it's up to you how you interpret the situation if Outsiders = VP, same team, same location etc are the same so org anyway. It impacts the owner sponsorship stuff and such perhaps but yea it's more of a symbological sanction in the sense it will be "Outsiders" will remain as the winner in any official databases.

2023-03-29 15:17

+1 yep

2023-03-29 15:30

why would it? the players when under outsiders not virtus pro some of the players had never even played under vp before outsiders.

2023-03-29 15:35

Definitely not, the whole point of banning them in the first place is gone if you just give them the accolades anyways

2023-03-29 18:25

No and they won’t get it as they did the Major under another banner. No conversions.

2023-03-29 21:36

At Virtus.pro website they were there whole the time as players for them, it was their players, VP put a money on them, let them prac, pay the, salaries, help them everything. So they were behind the team, but sadly Outsiders won the Major.

2023-03-29 21:44

no no chance

2023-03-30 05:58

Rio wasnt real major

2023-03-31 18:49