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1. Sh1ro
2. ZywOo
3. monesy
4. Degster / Device / Broky / Wonderfull
5. Simple (honestly he is not that great rn)
6. Sunpayus / or wonderfull here?
7. Jame
8. oSee / Torzsi / Nicodoz / hallzerk
what do you think?
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simple under degster device and wonderful is braindead
simple is so good that people go to desperate measures to make him look bad
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not really degster outduels zywoo even. at the very least they might go head to head evenly. but thats only at the individual specific head to head. zywoo does better against all other opposition compared to degster.
wonderful is silently doing great in spirit both have more impact and consistency then simple. he pops off rarely and thats simple only ace. his losing duels a lot.
since cs2 announcement he did get some fire lit up under his ass though so this ranking of mine might not age well. broky also having more impact with the awp then simple.
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1. nicoodoz
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Lul
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2023-01..
s1mple 1.20 rating 5th place
lowest you can put him is 4th
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check epl playoffs
and you think wonderful has more impact than s1mple?
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hahaha, arguing with that clown is a mistake, he is so delusional
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hltv.org/stats/players/18053/broky?event..
broky pops off one tournament and you spread your legs I get it. but thats not how it works. he needs to do it again to be able say that his form has improved.
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hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?event..
this is pretty much what degster and wonderful average. And don't use he takes much more space argument because first of all degster also takes a lot of space and everyone is awper so they also take a lot of space. S1mple also made semis at kato.
1.24 rating at epl and again semis
S1mple is definitely at least 4th. You can make a case for him above m0nesy but eye test wise m0nesy was much better at kato and s1mple was just slightly better than m0nesy at epl
can't say much about dev1ce because he didn't play kato and his team is in rebuilding phase
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wtf actual respectful discussion on hltv forums??
thank you for having a good discussion with me :)
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how is monesy above s1mple
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still worse than monesy ??
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insane how s1mple with way better statistics is worse than monesy
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Stop embarrassing yourself, please.
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star..
m0nesy is not even close to s1mple despite having a better team.
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"head to head duels, game impact per round win/loss for his team. consistency. with the awp." And where can I see this?
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it seems all it took was to create a ranking list for you to take offense. this is a forum discussion I proposed a list and asked for input to discuss and form a more accurate rankings together.
not for a stats only beta to blabbler about trying to win an argument. it seems you completely missed the point by taking offense.
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When that list is factually wrong and the one who made it can't even accept that it's wrong then of course I get offended lmao.
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but your facts are only half facts because stats capture their form only for 50% so we talk about the rest which I asked for and you take offense to that opinion and question.
Okay.
also I never said i cant accept the list to be wrong. would be a bit strange wouldnt it if I asked for input? :D
no what I cant accept is a ranking list only based on stats. thats true
because thats half baked for players who dont have an trained eye.
and at that point you might as well mot watch the games for questions like these and just present a boring stats page.
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Stats tell us all we need to know.
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it's pretty hard to compare them anyway because s1mple has been staying away from playing the AWP on t sides a lot recently. Look at the kill distribution in the two links, s1mple has less than 40% AWP kills, m0nesy has more than 56%, that's a gigantic gap in terms of AWP usage, s1mple has almost twice as many AK kills compared to m0nesy.
It's even harder with ZywOo who has less AWP kills than AK kills right now, i would not even call him a dedicated AWPer in this season.
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Only top 3 maters. As there aren't many great awpers so you are forced to put someone like osee in top 10.
For me it's 1. Zywoo 2. Sh1ro 3. M0nesy rn
hahaha, in what world is sh1ro above ZywOo?
Also, s1mple top 3.
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hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start..
Their stats aren't even close though
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Well, prove that sh1ro is a better AWPer than ZywOo then if a 0.15 rating difference isn't enough lol
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stil hanging on to your precious stats are we? so everything else that happens doesnt matter?
stats only tell half the story at best. depending how many stats you have and factors to measure and base those stats from is max half the story at best.
stats always miss quite a lot. I take it you are quite young. lets say in the real world how about laws? and measuring if those laws arent broken? stats capture everything?
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What are you blabbering about?
Prove that sh1ro is a better AWPer.
You didn't post one objective thing in this whole thread, only your biased irrelevant opinion.
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I debunked your conviction about stats being 100% and absolute displaying 100% of the story. cant take the arguement? not my fault you went hard in.
that is the objective fact. stats paint half the story at best. the rest of the thread is for the discussion this is a forum afterall. I never claimed my list was the factfual rankings. in fact I displayed doubt and asked for input on a forum. its fun to discuss about and perhaps together we can come closer to accurately displaying the current awp rankings.
its only you that went this hard in the discussion I respond with the same treatment that you give others.
so what are you blabbering about?
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You clearly can't accept the facts and you are not willing to change your biased opinion even though I provided the facts. Waste of time arguing with you.
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the world doesnt revolve around stats. it seems you simply cant accept that fact.
you have much too learn. again this list was my opinion I never claimed otherwise.
listen we all watch and have passion for this game dont we? so use your eyes and talk here discuss why you think x or y is a better awper and should be higher on the list.
stats only paint half the story people get it and know where to find the stats button okay we dont need you for that.
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Well, I proved that ZywOo is a much better AWPer than sh1ro using statistics. Meanwhile, all you've done is talk about some irrelevant categories that don't make sense.
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if stats capture only 50% youve proven for 50% that zywoo is a better awper then shiro while being unable to capture the other 50% we can try too by discussing on here.
but if that doesnt matter to you than youll always fail to capture current form or fail to see who would be most likely to win in head to head duel. who would be able to most likely compliment his team to tournament wins. this list of what stats miss goes on.
so for example in your world lets say device has lower stats then simple but in a tournament wins 80% of head to head duels against simple and device team wins the tournament. then your brain would go error 404 cant compute. “but by stats simple was the better awper”? how come he didnt pwn device and help his team win the tournament? error error
do you still not accept that stats are great but tell half the story?
so youve proven not much. same as me. but you talk a lot of shit taking offense to a opinionated list while I asked to talk and improve its accuracy together specially what stats cant show. seeing we all love the game and watch it. whats the point otherwise?
if that doesnt make sense then im sorry for you and advise to either becoming alpha or check for autism.
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Head-to-head is completely irrelevant. Also, if an AWPer wins a tournament that doesn't mean that that AWPer was more impactful than all the other AWPers in the tournament lol
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clearly you dont know what all matters and how important the awp role is in a round and therefor in a head to head duel potentially and in a match and in a tournament.
also I gave you an example. have some balls and reply to that context of that example not inventing your own to derail the crap again.
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Lil bro a clear head-to-head rarely happens between AWPers in a game and at a tier 1 event the AWPer who is holding the angle will win the fight 99% of the time.
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we dont know how much it happens lil bro I said potentially.
and thats just it. it can happen medium, low or a lot during a final.
also even if it happens less it economy impact when it does happen can have quite the ripple effect. listen you already proven to me anything beyond stats is hard for you.
and thats just one of the factors. how well someone whois wielding the awp is not losing against rifles+utility also counts to the awp rankings something stats dont show neither.
also did you ever see zywoo peak into an awper already holding an angle?
for everyone whois not zywoo theres utility?
do I need to go on?
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hell even karrigan mentioned shiro got robbed off #1 position overall not just awp last year. so your going to ask karrigan for stats too?
again dude unless your braindead “stats paint half the story at best”
we are trying to do better here then only robotic stats. wheres your passion for the game?
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that would be quite hard to do we would need to go video by video.
rather I have us just talk about it and give reasons to what youve seen for example zywoos ability to peak into an apwer that was already holding that angle but that awper still loses the awp duel vs zywoo.
basically everything stats dont capture we can talk about to improve the list together.
hej it wont ever be perfect but a more accurate display of the top awpers in the world right now than a basic stats sheet would be great :)
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That basic stats sheet is way more accurate than us talking about who can kill who when he peeks into him lmao
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actually no by default stat sheets are around 50% accurate. but for arguements sake lets start there “rankings by stats order” and build upon it as a community within this thread. the collective mind isnt always right. infact I dont like sheep behavior but this is passion of a game we are talking about. together we should be able to put the other half more accurately together than a blank sheet half.
its more fun anyway
we should be able to get a 70% accurate list opposed to a 50% accurate stats sheet.
seems like a reasonable goal ?
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A stats sheet is 100% accurate.
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nope then you wont have to watch the games. simply look at the stats place your bet and youd always be right.
stats arent 100% accurate of current form. (eventho you didnt mention towards “current form” we are discussing that context)
dude just stop stats are great. I dont fault you for siding with science first I would the same. but upholding it as if its absolute… actually borderlines “delusion”what you insulted me with earlier.
funny how human behavior works. when people give insult without much knowledge about the other or yourself, tends to count more for the person saying it then the one receiving it.
xD
As someone that doesn't like either of them, therefore not biased, Zywoo is better
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devve top 5, watch him rn v c9, plays glass cannon awp on ct and 0 deaths
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are you serious about oSee or it's just a joke?
This list isn’t good
#1 M0nesy
#2 Sh1ro
#3 s1mple
#4 broky
Right now, I could go further with this list but it’s based on recent achievements / performance not my gusto or personal bias (or else I would put s1mple on 1). Zywoo is more like a rifler right now and also didn’t make deep runs in tournaments.
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Based on what?
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We will see, coming from a heroic fan this is more than comical
FaZe won’t win anything as well, their team is purely based on individual skill and motivation and it’s over now that they have won IGS, they will go back to being unreliable like last year. So who’s better than G2? Heroic? Hahahaha, Navi? No. Nobody can stop G2, maybe Cloud9 has a small chance and that’s it everyone else just too unreliable
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ENCE, Vitality, Na'Vi, Cloud9, FaZe all much better than G2
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G2's fluke is undoubtedly over. They'll barely scrape through the RMR and then lose in the Challengers stage.
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It clearly was a fluke. Did you see their performance at EPL? Got destroyed by ENCE and C9 and even lost their Nuke streak to fnatic 16-4 XD They rely solely on individual skill.
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Too bad that EPL isn’t that important and that’s why HLTV didn’t care about it and didn’t even subtract one point from their ranking
Too bad that NiKo said they had bad communication
Too bad you still don’t know what “fluke” means , being great for months and weeks isn’t a “fluke” being rank 1 for weeks isn’t a fluke
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"Too bad that EPL isn’t that important and that’s why HLTV didn’t care about it and didn’t even subtract one point from their ranking" Who cares?
"Too bad that NiKo said they had bad communication" Nice excuse.
"Too bad you still don’t know what “fluke” means , being great for months and weeks isn’t a “fluke” being rank 1 for weeks isn’t a fluke" It clearly was a fluke when they couldn't even make top 8 at EPL lol
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lol man this guy. one advise stop thinking in black and white. discard erverything else for a min I believe this is your main problem and dont feel ashamed you are defiantly not alone by a longshot.
this black or white reasoning can be solved with some effort and conditioning to see more options and nuances to your thoughts. unless someone is autistic then it cant be helped.
hope it helps.
the top dogs are G2, Vitality and Faze.
G2 defiantly wasnt a fluke.
none of those are clearly beter then the other. thats the great thing about the current competitive field.
Ence seeing they started clicking can defiantly become the next top team in the same lines as the ones mentioned above.
c9 could maintain as well but imo they are inconsistent to be considered in the same line.
heroic is in the same line as c9 with a lower skill ceiling but more consistent. best current team synergy out of all the teams.
navi no sorry. same line perhaps as c9 and heroic.
so monesy is better than shiro because
hooxi > nafany
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shiro still way better than monesy what does
c9 and g2 riflers have to do with anything here
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then why is he above broky
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above in your list lmao
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1. zywoo
2. sh1ro
3. broky
4. s1mple
5. chequestealer
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cadian above sunpayus easily wtf
watch how good he played in katowice and he did decent in epl
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yeah im fine with that. i might give sunpayus too much credit because of what he did before. seeing ence roster just recently started to click this might be the case. id be too soon with that. your right cadian above sunpayus as in current form (past couple of tournaments). seeing a form is not defined by one tournament alone and not by what someone did prior to that.
good feedback +1
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i do think sunpayus has more potential than cadian
ZywOo is #1 no doubt
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1 s1mpel
2.zywoo
3.shiro
4.broky
5.m0nesy
6.degster
7.device
8.jame
9.ssunpayus
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not all too bad list. broky and simple should defiantly be lower because they showed good form only for one tournament. hm I see we should define current form.
lets say most recent 3 tournaments ? if team didnt play in said tournament current form doesnt stretch further then past 3 months? something like this.
degster better than device..... Lul bro. U fanny br0
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1. junior
2. smooya
3. kennys/m0nesy
ArtFr0st
hyped
PANIX
hltv.org/stats?startDate=2023-01-01&endD..
top 3 player in the world with the most amount of maps played ( he played 4 series againts G2 and lost all of them ) still his rating is top 3, even with a bad form the GOAT still is higher then wonderful, broky or whatever passive awper.
The only player that plays aggro with the AWP and is not afraid of dying just to keep his "stats" good.
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"The only player that plays aggro with the AWP and is not afraid of dying just to keep his "stats" good."
hahaha, 0/8. This guy is the biggest stats player I've ever seen (after apEX)
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hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star..
hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/18053/broky?start..
out of all top 5 awpers he has the highest DRP which means he doesn t care if he dies too much, he goes for the round when the team needs him is not afraid of dying which prove my point.
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It's because he is the biggest eco-hunter out of those and he always goes for exit frags.
How dare you disrespect the North American awper and put him next to inconsistent bots like oSee, torzsi, and niccodoz
oSee? Wtfff
How can you even say oSee, he has been the worst performing AWPer for Liquid since they arrived in Counter-Strike...
i can understand that you have sh1ro above zywoo based on awp only(because zywoo doesnt rly play with awp that much nowadays) even tho that i still think that zywoo is just better and more complete awper overall...
op stop drinking. why would you put nicodoz and osee there, are you okay?
Sh1ro is good, but nowhere near S1mple or ZywOo
They literally only play washed / tier 2 teams
Dogster overrated
stopped reading when I saw flair
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