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Because of the nature of Ferrari peeks and sudden jiggle stops you can't gauge accurately when the model will stop moving, this is one of the reasons why peekers advantage exists (along with element of surprise, not because of ping)
I don't play valorant but from the clips Ive seen the peeks are slower and smoother movements so aim duels are much more consistent - peekers advantage is mitigated and the better aimer is more likely to win the duel. (Which is interesting on a side note because valorant I hear is much less aim reliant than cs, it gives a bit of balance between mechanics and outplay potential with abilities)
Do you think Ferrari peeks should be nerfed in cs2?
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I have 170kpm on aimbotz. Ain't pro tier but csgo doesn't reward good aim as much as I'd like
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An average aimer can outduel twistzz if he plays an off angle, etc
It's the nature of low ttk games, even a noob can get a lucky deagle hs on any pro player
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I mean it rewards good aim if you are significantly better than the opponents where you can overcome the randomness of some fights. But the higher elo or level of play you climb the less variance in aimers there are, the more you want to avoid direct aim duels.
Meanwhile in high ttk games if your tracking accuracy is just 1 or 2% better you will dominate in a pure lg duel (key word pure lg duel, ofc quake is more than just aim. The point is you are rewarded more for having better aim)
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Well if two people are good at the game of course you would want to avoid aim duels where the other guy is better positioned. While you are right about higher ttk games, many of those games don't have the recoil control needs of CS. Many players win fights with better spray control even at the pro level in CS.
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I guess thats a bigger picture perspective
But if you isolate it surely you agree some close range duels are random as fuck, right? It's simple impossible to predict if they will Ferrari crouch peek you, or double step peek, jiggle then single step peek etc
I need some perspective from valorant players on this tbh
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Yeah sure, there is always some "randomness" based on how your opponent plays any given situation, best you can do is maximize your chances of winning by playing a situation as well as you can.
I don't think that's a bad thing though, having different options on how to play gives you room for mindgames and increases the skill level
CS is way better then Valorant regarding "rewarding good aim"
Valorant is just run and gun all the time, and with "champions" (idk how they called) that run 10x faster than others its just way worse.
In CS you have the same speed as your opponent all the times, and the way the enemy peaks is definetly a decider on who wins the duel. So positioning and aim is way better "rewarding" is CS
Do you know what rng means?
Might be considered rng but I dont think that it's too much or anything like that, I dont think it ruins the game.
Sounds like a skill issue.
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If they peek slower you'll just tighten your crosshair placement and get easier kills
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So you're talking about lag? CS2 won't fix this
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Nah, 20 ping is definitely perceivable, you should play a lan to see for yourself
This could actually be what I mean
CS is a strategic shooter, it's good that aim isn't everything and that it's very important to have good positioning and game sense to win your duels
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It is good there is a lot of room to outplay your opponent with better team play/reads/setups but ultimately Id like to reduce rng when you can. I think timing introduces enough rng in rounds as it is.
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this man really said timings are rng 💀
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If a player holds an angle for half a minute and then dies the moment he pushes forward thinking it's clear you are really going to tell me it's a skill issue he didn't hold for an extra 200milliseconds?
And don't use twitterspeak on my threads lil bro (fr fr)
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but it is a skill issue for not actually clearing it before pushing? what are you even talking about lmao
also you unscoping your awp the moment someone peeks an angle you were holding isn't rng, it's just being unlucky, different stuff
rng is the accuracy your ak will have on the first shot and stuff like that, which has nothing to do with what you're talking about in the post
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I'm obviously using rng interchangeably with randomness because it's shorter and because of how it's impossible to predict where and how a Ferrari peek will end and how also #22 pointed out, animations don't update on time, you are relying more on luck than your actual skill
Reasonable people understand the premise of the thread and my use of rng, what a shitty idea for a bait if this thread was one
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that's not RNG, I specifically play of people loosing patience.
The same internal clock which tells you that it's clear and you can reload or go watch another angle or go push something tells me that you probably lost your patience by this time.
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I don't think duels are too rng. You will always have lucky shots like shooting trough a smoke, fully flashed, jump shots etc. and there's nothing you can really do about that. I think it's actually pretty good there is a little advantage for the peeker because else CT side would be op when they can just hold for the enemy push and win the duel most of the time
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I have to post a video because Im specifically talking about the sudden deceleration of the animation. It's too fucking fast. Your brain will always anticipate the player will keep Ferrari strafing so you have an extremely difficult shot to hit which is almost rng
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Every off-angle becomes prefirable angle at some point
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Peeker's advantage is way more complicated than that, and it's not necessarily true that peeker sees the other player first. The major advantage of a peeker is being a mobile target, that is very difficult to land a headshot on. Which is where ferrari peeks comes from, making an easy sweep on an sitting duck defender.
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The difference is negligible
I asked elige on this and he said it isn't that big of deal when playing on lan Vs online
Geometry affects who sees who first, the one closer to wall is visible to other first. Which gets amplified based on how slow is the peek. p.s. Also left to right side differences.
The other element is that peeker have to counter strafe and adjust aim before opening fire, while angle holder have already lined up his crosshair ready to press m1.
The other element is that the peeker still have to wait for his own ping for his shot to register anyway.
the biggest point is that the peeker is mentally aware that a fight is going to happen when they choose! the person holding an angle has to stay concentrated for way longer while the peeker can focus exactly on the moment they peek
i think u should google what rng means
Dude, Ferrari peeking is not “random”, it’s a precise skill that relies on ultra agression. Yea it’s rewarding, but it’s also super risky, as if you fail, you’re exposed out in the open (whereas you can jiggle peek or hide after a flash)
If your logic was true, xantares would be the best player of csgo history. Clearly he isn’t, so idk what you’re saying
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xantares peek =/= ferrari peek
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Look at 100ms peeker adv. in ur cringe anime shooter for kids (valorant) and then cry about how the grass is greener. If you get ferrari peeked its skill issue always.
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I said I don't even play valorant but u see that word and freak out
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Didnt read your post if i am honest
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I don't play Valorant, what's the point of this?
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felt like it
i mean there is definjtely an element of rng when you’re backstabbing someone with a usp
Yes. But I don't know how that would work technically, I don't think you can remove peeker's advantage completely without slowing down the game which most people don't like.
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I think they need to work on animations and interp like propaans pointed out
It's why so many noobs think they got running hs'd when the animations just didn't update
so you're saying ferrari peeks are too good so they should be nerfed
how are you gonna defy the laws of geometry
Simply duel in Quake instead
every FPS people always go on about aim. as much as it is important intelligence and movement are equally important if not more important.
take for example quake. you could have 100% rail accuracy and still get beat cos you never picked up any armour.
in CS you could have 100% HS accuracy and instantly kill anyone on your screen but if u get double peaked everytime you will lose.
smarts are more important that aim
Opinion rejected,
CSGO>VALORANT
(movement+shooting mechanics).
cs dm > valorant dm
workshop maps >>>
demo review >>>>>>>
VALORANT>CSGO
variety of agents makes it more complex and fun
new maps + new agents every 2 months or smth
ingame leaderboard
ranking, elo system
yes, ferrari peeks should be nerfed and already has been said 6 YEARS AGO:
twitter.com/esea/status/8995708434073108..
but every noob will tell you dont remove it, because this is the only way they get lucky in a skill based game...
i personally prefer duels in cs having played quite a bit of both games, i dont like how 99% of fights end in the first 0.5 seconds in val, whether its objectively better or worse i dont know, but something about the first shot not being an instant decider in cs feels better to me
ferrari peeks in valorant are way worse than in cs from my experience
Lil bro actually called the enemy player's decision-making process "RNG" 💀
Yes it is.
Dude wants the game to be OSU or something lol
Do you want to have more CT sided meta?
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