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have the best year in Counter-Strike? s1mple had 1.35 in 2021 atm ZywOo has 1.36 in 2022 (with a "bad" event at the RMR, averaging 1.19 on 4 maps)
2023-04-13 10:01
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let's hope vitality go through, things are looking tough tbh
2023-04-13 10:02
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I hope too, wouldn't be THAT surprising if they fail with that current lineup, I hope they make smart changes after the Major
2023-04-13 10:03
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only change i would make is with apex, but i bet vitality don't want to be left with 1 french dude, so maybe -duppreh
2023-04-13 10:06
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I hope for -dupreeh -apEX -zonic
2023-04-13 10:07
13 replies
I think for me it's bad idea for Vitality and also Zywoo to change IGL because its seem that that will lost an other years for zywoo so for me the better option for Zywoo its to change team and going on a good lineup like Faze because its juste zywoo who need to adapté his play style on the team and he can do it very faster. But also with CS2 coming its good time after the major to make change in Vitality so they can -apex and -dupreeh and than keep Zywoo because they will have time to train new strats with a new IGL on a new game... That my opinion and what for me should be the Best for Zywoo ! :)
2023-04-13 10:27
10 replies
yeah, keep apex so he ruins Vitality and ZywOo's career even more
2023-04-13 10:35
6 replies
Bro did you even read my comment ? x)
2023-04-13 17:10
5 replies
yes but he won't be able to leave, at least not for 20 more months
2023-04-13 18:24
4 replies
He can buyout his own transfert actually but yeah anyway I don't think he will leave Virality because he is too loyal...
2023-04-13 19:34
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he won't
2023-04-14 11:28
2 replies
Yep I know that why Im sad...
2023-04-14 15:12
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I am too :c
2023-04-15 13:25
I think vitality's biggest problem is that they have 3 good players, an IGL and a family father. you can't play 3v5 when teams like navi or heroic have 5 fraggers. go -dupreeh +bodyy (and maybe -apex too) and enjoy tournament wins
2023-04-13 15:52
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+1 I all agree but for me this should happen after the major and than they can have time to prepared new strats before the next tournament because they don't go to Dallas so the next tournament would maybe be in CS2 and also a new meta
2023-04-13 17:14
I feel as if zywoo's individual ability far surpasses anything apex can tell him in the moment at this point, it's been clear from the start that he'd play well under anyone outside of teams with a language barrier (which he's greatly improved upon since)/ legitimately bad IGLs that don't give him the space (and if we're being honest, who wouldn't?) Apex should have left ages ago alongside dupreeh, +nexa (or another IGL, I can't think of any other available names who call looser) +frozen and the team will start shooting into the stratosphere imo
2023-04-14 10:29
#70
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Ukraine gothh
why -zonic?
2023-04-13 18:57
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he wasnt part of the deal initially, but the danes wanted him so they kicked xtqzzz for him, xtqzzz is better imo, worked better with zywoo
2023-04-14 11:28
can zywoo qualify the 2 washep up bot dupreeh and apex ?
2023-04-13 10:14
propably wont get much "easier" than vs BIG, they play calculated, tactical cs, nothing crazy or a little more unknown. So unless some BIG players have lifegame I really dont see them beating vitality, even if zywoo is not playing outstanding for his standards... But its vitality, u never know who they will manage to lose to next
2023-04-13 10:30
5 replies
k1to is known for life gaming sometimes when he feels like it, maybe that fucks them up, but vitality are clear favourites
2023-04-13 10:33
4 replies
Doesn't really matter, Vitality has way better individual players, even if both k1to and tabsen have life games, there should be no way for Vita to lose a BO3 vs BIG
2023-04-13 10:38
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i think you are giving vitality too much credit, as a vitality fan, watching the games it feels like they can lose any game vs any team, it's weird
2023-04-13 10:39
guess what xDDD
2023-04-13 15:45
1 reply
First map and BIGs map pick, would not worry yet :)
2023-04-13 15:52
#2
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United States KhanQu3st
Perhaps, ZywOo usually massively improves in the second half of the year too.
2023-04-13 10:03
12 replies
True 1.50 rating average in Q3 & Q4 😎👍
2023-04-13 10:03
#71
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Monaco furzovich
but second half of the year is cs2...
2023-04-13 18:58
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#72
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United States KhanQu3st
What is that supposed to mean?
2023-04-13 18:58
9 replies
#76
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Monaco furzovich
i dont think top tier cs players will shine when we will change to cs2, its similar, but different game at the same time. niko zywoo monesy s1mple and shiro will not be the same, they will go back to extreme level, but not straight away. 2nd half of 2023 will be madness, thats why we have 1 major in 2023.
2023-04-13 19:03
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#80
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United States KhanQu3st
It's a CSGO update. And sure, players might fall off, or they might be better than ever.
2023-04-13 19:09
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#88
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Monaco furzovich
clearly you have not played cs2, different movement different shooting mechanic. Only fundamentals are the same. And even massive meta change. We will see, but top players will definitely fall off only because they are too used for cs:go mechanics. But im sure they will adapt, they always do.
2023-04-13 19:24
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#91
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United States KhanQu3st
I'm not sure why you are assuming the best players will be much worse after the update. If everyone is playing the new update, everyone is dealing with the changes. It's just about who is most adaptable.
2023-04-13 19:25
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#96
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Monaco furzovich
watch css vs cs:go transition. It was really bad for top players. I know that that was a different game, but we are not far off from that.
2023-04-13 19:27
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#97
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United States KhanQu3st
It will be equally bad for everyone. I don't know why you are suggesting players who are top players bc of their ability to adapt to new metas would notably struggle more for some reason.
2023-04-13 19:27
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#101
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Monaco furzovich
exactly man, equally bad, so top tier players will not be at the same level as in cs:go until they adapt. Look at the topic of this post. So zywoo will probably not beat 1.35 rating from s1mple in 1 year. But if he does, that will only mean that he will be the goat of cs2. But its highly unlikely
2023-04-13 19:30
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#105
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United States KhanQu3st
But if everyone else is worse, theoretically ZywOo would have similar odds to post similar numbers. Because all the players he's facing would be worse.
2023-04-13 19:32
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#109
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Monaco furzovich
i guess your right, but just looking back 10 years, that was not the case, so I dont really believe in that. We will see. Also inner s1mple fan in me wants to cement s1mple as the goat of cs:go with beast rating of all time.
2023-04-13 19:34
it's 2023 now my man but the question is whether he can keep being consistently great
2023-04-13 10:03
1 reply
sorry bro B) 2023*
2023-04-13 10:03
MY GOD!!!!😱😱😱 He's a BapEX!!!😳😳😳THE WORST IN THE GAME!!!!😎😎😎
2023-04-13 10:04
3 replies
LMAO
2023-04-13 10:05
hahahaha 8/8
2023-04-13 18:55
AAHAHAHAA
2023-04-13 19:56
#8
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United States AcE3K
Not without deep runs in tournaments, and this also makes his ratings somewhat worthless
2023-04-13 10:04
38 replies
I kinda agree on the first part, not the 2nd, not really his fault for not making playoffs
2023-04-13 10:06
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#14
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United States AcE3K
Yes but this is how hltv Top list works, deep runs in tournaments mvps trophies are important, as well as Games vs high ranked opps
2023-04-13 10:07
34 replies
high ranked opponents can be played in groupstages he has 1.25 on 10 maps atm Ax1Le and sh1ro have 1.36 & 1.83 but on only 2 maps (will change after today's match against G2) otherwise the 2nd are s1mple & xertioN with 1.14 on 16 & 9 maps
2023-04-13 10:09
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#18
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United States AcE3K
S1mple is over Zywoo right now, zywoo will not get a high ranking with a vitality that doesn’t go far in tournaments. Same with Sh1ro
2023-04-13 10:11
30 replies
Honestly, im always amazed by navis ability to perform at big tournaments. Electronic, perfecto, b1t and now apperantly npl as well (he is their highest rated player at the rmr) can just step up and help s1mple out when the pressure is on. Sure, they dont win the tournaments but they often make it far while looking pretty "bad"
2023-04-13 10:33
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#27
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United States AcE3K
Exactly. It’s simply one of the old orgs but with the big difference that they care a lot and take csgo seriously not like NIP for example or other old orgs who failed a lot. For me easily the best csgo org, G2 on second place, liquid 3rd
2023-04-13 10:35
no, right now he's not above
2023-04-13 10:34
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#28
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United States AcE3K
I already explained you how HLTV Top list works
2023-04-13 10:36
17 replies
Yes but rating matters, especially with such a gap, s1mple is at 1.21, ZywOo 1.36
2023-04-13 10:37
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#31
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United States AcE3K
Yes but this rating will go down for Zywoo because it’s his early year ranking that is a big fluke, he will more likely average 1.30 or lower later, 1.25 possibly and this will not be enough to make 1st place without winning tournament or deep runs. Hltv ignores rating btw, Tier 2 player with high ratings are ignored as well, don’t think it matters so much if he goes out in group stages
2023-04-13 10:39
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Maybe it WILL go down but FOR NOW, as we mentionned, ZywOo is above bro can't even speak english decently also, you can't know if s1mple's rating will be lower or higher, same for ZywOo HLTV doesn't ignore rating they only look at big events and important matches on LAN events groupstages matter, look at jks, being top 20 twice without winning shit you're either new or just dumb tbh
2023-04-13 10:52
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#42
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Thailand new!
Jks made major playoffs this is very important, deep runs are important, averaging 2.00 rating in groupstages is not that relevant if you cant make deepruns and keep up the good stats.
2023-04-13 15:59
13 replies
yes but didnt win shit stats matter even in groupstages you're so dumb
2023-04-13 18:24
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#49
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Thailand new!
Get off his D you delusional fuck
2023-04-13 18:31
11 replies
My god, you are braindead, aren't you? XDD Stats matter much more than achievements in the top 20.
2023-04-13 18:33
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#58
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Thailand new!
Who said anything about achievemets and trophies, the point was stats in group stage isnt that important if you cant make deep runs and drop similar ratings in playoffs. The meat riding is insane
2023-04-13 18:40
9 replies
You can get top 1 without even making semifinals if the stats are good enough
2023-04-13 18:40
8 replies
^this
2023-04-13 18:47
#73
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Thailand new!
Hahahahahahaha No.
2023-04-13 19:01
S1mple in 2017 would like a word with u
2023-04-13 21:36
5 replies
Key word: 2017
2023-04-13 21:53
4 replies
Shows that hltv also cares about deep runs in tournaments not just stats
2023-04-13 22:03
3 replies
Yes, in 2017 achievements mattered way more than they do now.
2023-04-13 22:15
2 replies
Ok bro
2023-04-13 23:35
Has hltv said that they value stats more now?
2023-04-13 23:57
What is lil bro saying? s1mple is not even close to ZywOo right now.
2023-04-13 18:35
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#175
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United States AcE3K
Delusional
2023-04-14 04:15
7 replies
Check the statistics.
2023-04-14 09:32
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#182
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United States AcE3K
1) cant take clowns seriously who say "lil bro" 2) you have no clue how hltv top list works
2023-04-14 09:54
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"Yes but this is how hltv Top list works, deep runs in tournaments mvps trophies are important, as well as Games vs high ranked opps" So you think that 2 semifinal appearances and 1.21 rating > 2 quarterfinal appearances and 1.36 rating? XD
2023-04-14 09:56
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#185
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United States AcE3K
So you think this discussion matters and Zywoo will be able to keep this rating up until the end of the year? (X) doubt + his team is worse and they will drag him down
2023-04-14 09:57
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Not sure why you bring up the rest of the year when you said that s1mple is above ZywOo right now. Do you know what right now means?
2023-04-14 09:58
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#187
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United States AcE3K
Right now i would say comparable. s1mple = better tournament runs, Zywoo higher rating Do you understand that "right now" is irrelevant? Do you know that the list is for the whole year, kid?
2023-04-14 09:59
1 reply
Not comparable whatsoever, their tournament runs are comparable, but their stats are not comparable at all. If it's irrelevant why did you bring it up?
2023-04-14 10:00
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Finland wormi
moreover, performances in playoffs and big matches matter, if he can't get to those he can't be compared directly with ppl who can :/
2023-04-14 09:33
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#183
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United States AcE3K
Exactly
2023-04-14 09:54
Surely not his fault but that's not the point. I think "group stage" rating isn't that crazy considering he plays at most one bo3 in play-offs when it matter the most.
2023-04-13 19:51
1 reply
maybe, but he still plays good teams
2023-04-14 11:28
Not with apEX as a IGL
2023-04-13 10:06
3 replies
I hope they get someone better
2023-04-13 10:07
2 replies
I really Hope apEX will be kicked after major, he's tweet after EPL loss to Ence might suggest that
2023-04-13 10:10
1 reply
+1
2023-04-13 10:34
If vitality disband after the major and he joins any other team, yes, he can
2023-04-13 15:48
doubt with how his team is performing currently. probably could, if they stopped being ass.
2023-04-13 15:50
Yes Impossible is not ZywOo
2023-04-13 15:51
#39
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Ukraine d3adLY
ofc no, no one will beat s1mple's record
2023-04-13 15:51
i doubt it but u never know
2023-04-13 17:15
#48
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North America 007DBR9
they get to play the third place quali still don't they?
2023-04-13 18:28
1 reply
Yes
2023-04-13 18:31
#51
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Russia bult0
zywoo would never
2023-04-13 18:32
Zyw0o's problem is in the majors playoffs.
2023-04-13 18:33
49 replies
ZywOo's problem is getting to playoffs in prestige events :D You say major playoffs but he barely played 4 maps there in his entire career.
2023-04-13 18:38
48 replies
That's Vitality's problem, not ZywOo's
2023-04-13 18:42
46 replies
Last major : 1.08 rating. ZywOo heavily underperforms in majors, it is a statistical fact, and that's while not even making playoffs.
2023-04-13 19:14
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hltv.org/stats?event=3884&event=3883&eve.. He is the 2nd highest-rated player at the Majors he has played though.
2023-04-13 19:19
44 replies
just admit you want to kiss his feet...
2023-04-13 19:23
16 replies
What?
2023-04-13 19:24
15 replies
i dont want to talk to you because you consider zywoo the greatest player of all time above s1mple (who is obviously the goat according to 80% of the community and like 90% of the pro players and analysts) and device (who isnt as good as s1mple nor zywoo but has so many achievements that his greatness is at a similar level
2023-04-13 19:26
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I may consider who I want as the GOAT.
2023-04-13 19:26
13 replies
yes and i may consider you stupid/baiter based on that
2023-04-13 19:29
12 replies
What's wrong with considering the highest-skilled player we've ever seen the GOAT?
2023-04-13 19:31
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1) he is not the highest-skilled in anything except for game awareness. In terms of aim, the ability to clutch while under pressure - at katowice, majors, ... and the ability to pull of insane plays that turn the course of the game around, s1mple is better at those. 2) he has 0 big team achievements the biggest being Esl pro League which who tf remembers esl pro league season 16 or 17 or whatever it was when it comes to real tournaments he has 1 kato playoff - ending in quarter finals and 2 major playoffs ending in quarter fnals, if you watched sports and appreciated true greatness you would know that noone would ever get away with zywoo´s team achievements and be called a goat no matter how good he was. When zywoo wins a major and on top of that wins like 2 more big tournaments for example blast world final and blast spring final and also gets atleast to a katowice final or semifinal then we can talk about him being a goat status contender until then he doesnt come even clear to the greatness of s1mple, dev1ce, f0rest or even coldzera. even Ch0ko has like 3 times more team achievements than zywoo
2023-04-13 19:42
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1) You can't be serious lil bro. There is no way you think that s1mple has worse game awareness than ZywOo and better aim and clutching XDDD s1mple's game awareness is so much better it's not even comparable. On the other hand s1mple doesn't even come close to ZywOo's aim or clutching. 2) Team achievements are irrelevant in the GOAT conversation in my book.
2023-04-13 19:45
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2) you are stupid then and you dont watch real sports thanks lil bro for letting me know that your opinions from now are irrelevant
2023-04-13 19:55
8 replies
Everyone can have a different perception, you know?
2023-04-13 19:58
7 replies
yes everyone has the right to their opinion and my opinion is that based on what i have heard you must be either delusional/baiting am i not allowed to have that opinion?
2023-04-13 20:00
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Of course, you can. Although It's very weird to think someone's delusional or baiting just because they have a different perception of the word "GOAT".
2023-04-13 20:02
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if you say BOAT (best of all time) then maybe we can talk but GOAT (greatest of all time) is about greatness and greatness is not getting groupped 3 out of 5 majors /closed
2023-04-13 20:03
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Greatness is being the best in the game in my book.
2023-04-13 20:04
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your book is written by some dulusional/baiting individual I dont care bro every analyst/pro player/ retired pros in sports and esports know what greatness is but superex123 changes the definition of greatness just so his favourite player can be in the goat conversation xD
2023-04-13 20:05
2 replies
ZywOo is the GOAT
2023-04-13 20:12
1 reply
say whatever you want, watch your ,,GOAT" get groupped again this year at the major or go out in quarters while my goat has 4 grand finals, 1 major win and like 3 more semifinals lol
2023-04-13 20:14
2023-04-13 19:24
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Yes, the Challengers stage is part of a Major. That filter proves my point as well.
2023-04-13 19:25
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no it doesnt, zywoo averages like 1.3 at normal tournaments and 1.2 at majors, that is a 15% dip
2023-04-13 19:26
5 replies
Every player's rating dips at the Major. Your point?
2023-04-13 19:28
4 replies
not true, prime coldzera dropping 1.3 and even 1.4 ratings in majors b1t 1.18 in majors and overall around 1.08 electronic 1.18 in majors and overall around 1.21 so just a tiny dip device 1.21 in majors and overall around 1.24 so again a much smaller dip s1mple 1.26 in majors overall around 1.30 so again a much smaller dip and i am not even talking about other older players in old nip, old fnatic,....
2023-04-13 19:32
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All these players have won at least one Major, of course, their rating is inflated by winning. Compare ZywOo's stats with someone who hasn't won it as well.
2023-04-13 19:33
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kscerato - avg around 1.19 throughout his career and 1.16 at majors, again a small dip just off the top of my head
2023-04-13 19:43
1 reply
Again, inflated by Rio where they fluked the semifinals.
2023-04-13 19:45
Challenger stage is a qualifier it is not counted in stats determining EVPS and MVPS, you're just so biased that every inch you can get statistically you take it. You rate major performances based on legend stage + champion stage, let's be serious now. Also ZywOo is 1.20 in all of majors history as stated here : hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?match.. Dude he is 1.06 against top 5 opposition in featured rating at Majors AHAHAHA you call this guy GOAT ? Cringee Stop fcking manipulating stats to give false arguments.
2023-04-13 19:28
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"Challenger stage is a qualifier it is not counted in stats determining EVPS and MVPS, you're just so biased that every inch you can get statistically you take it." hahaha, yeah right. It's just a second group stage, not a qualifier. RMR is the qualifier lil bro. "Dude he is 1.06 against top 5 opposition in featured rating at Majors AHAHAHA you call this guy GOAT ? Cringee" 8 maps, that is not the biggest of sample sizes, is it? XD
2023-04-13 19:30
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Oh so the sample size is only important when he has bad stats ? Very interesting since you're OBVIOUSLY one of the guy s*cking him off judging his 2023 stats despite having 0 sample size and only facing weaker teams. That was even stated by HLTV themselves that ZywOo's stats are irrelevant right now since he has so little maps compared to the other big performers (s1mple, ax1le, sh1ro)
2023-04-13 19:33
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Why do you keep talking out of your ass? ZywOo has more maps played than both Ax1le and sh1ro, only less than s1mple because of EPL's format. "only facing weaker teams." XDD They've played Heroic twice, ENCE, Liquid, and FaZe. Are those weaker teams?
2023-04-13 19:37
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Oh it's great that you mentioned Liquid and Ence since in the matches that mattered against those (playoffs of EPL and Katowice) he MASSIVELY dropped his performance compared to group stages. Also, he underperformed in the most important match against heroic at Katowice hltv.org/matches/2361340/heroic-vs-vital.. , a match that could have sent them directly to semi finals and not lose against LULQUID with ZywOo dropping the ball ONCE AGAIN in elite events. The only good win he has is 1 best of 3 against an underperforming Faze (2 maps) in early EPL (not an elimination match) that got their form back during the tournament but sucked hard at the beginning.
2023-04-13 19:45
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ZywOo didn't drop off massively lol hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. This map is the reason why his rating was lower in those matches - not a choke whatsoever. Also, you mention Heroic vs VIta at Kato as being the most important match while being just as relevant as Vita vs FaZe at EPL lol. "Underperforming FaZe" that won the event, yeah right XDDD
2023-04-13 19:49
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Are you seriously comparing a semi-final place match in Katowice with crowd, one of the most prestigious events in csgo to a groupstage EPL match to get to quarter finals while the event has no crowd? Get help dude. You're living in some next level delusion. Yes he's trash on overpass so what ? It's his fault work on it if you're so bad at it. Maybe he should watch some s1mple demo to understand how to play there :D
2023-04-13 19:54
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"Are you seriously comparing a semi-final place match in Katowice with crowd, one of the most prestigious events in csgo to a groupstage EPL match to get to quarter finals while the event has no crowd?" Yes, because the match was just as relevant - to skip some playoff stage. "Yes he's trash on overpass so what ? It's his fault work on it if you're so bad at it. Maybe he should watch some s1mple demo to understand how to play there :D" ZywOo has a 0.80 rating on Overpass T-side because of his completely incompetent IGL. Not his fault whatsoever. Why would he watch someone who couldn't even go positive against Astralis and 00NATION on that map XDDD
2023-04-13 19:57
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Classic cringe ZywOo fan putting his trash performances only on his teammates. 0.80 is ATROCIOUS , you can't only put the blame on the IGL for such a rating despite being the awp star player meaning being 3rd/4th in line. "positive against astralis and 00nation" 1.39 rating buddy cope harder, best player on the map by a country mile hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. s1mple's csgo GOAT status is already a lock in buddy ZywOo won't have done sh*t in csgo it's already too late, you're having nightmares of it kiddo must be hard to be you.
2023-04-13 20:20
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Of course, it's apEX's fault. Have you seen their Overpass T-sides? XD s1mple is so far the best player on that map only because of farming tier 4 like coL, NIP twice, or FORZE XD He may be the GOAT if you value team achievements above individual achievements otherwise s1mple's not close to GOATwOo.
2023-04-13 20:26
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Tell me in which fields in terms of individuality (stats, MVPS, EVPS and other personal records) is ZywOo beating s1mple mind you? because the list of things s1mple is destroying ZywOo on right now is HUGE.
2023-04-13 20:30
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MVPs, EVPs are team achievements. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. s1mple with ZywOo's level teammates is not even close to GOATwOo in terms of stats. s1mple's stats are sooo inflated by having an amazing team and teammates.
2023-04-13 20:33
7 replies
1.35 rating with Zeus and Edward in his team. Nothing more to say. ZywOo's peak was in 2019 with a very very similar overall team rating between Vita 2019 and navi 2018 without taking s1mple and ZywOo into account.(because Zeus is by far worse than anyone in 2019 Vitality and compensates for what elec brings) and zywoo was still below 2018 s1mple. His level has then dropped year after year without exception, he is starting well here but the year has barely begun and wer'e not even sure we'll have 12 months of csgo in 2023. If you look at any event ZywOo ever won he had 1 or 2 teammates playing very well. Same goes for s1mple. it's a team game no one has ever won a tier 1 event with no team mate being positive for the event. Also , of course MVPS are personal achievements what the f are you on. s1mple is unarguably the GOAT and ZywOo is not even remotely close, no csgo expert would contest that, and on the contrary I've seen a lot of people explaining why ZywOo is not even top 5 in the greatest csgo players of all time and I agree.
2023-04-13 20:42
6 replies
Na'Vi 2018 and Vitality 2019 are not comparable lol. elec and flamie >>>>> anyone on Vitality except ZywOo. Zeus was a little worse than the worst Vita player but he made up for it with his calling. 2019 was ZywOo's 2nd worst year so not sure why you comparing his 2nd worst year with s1mple's best one. Of course, that is the only way you can win events. What am I'm saying is that if ZywOo had teammates just as good as s1mple he would easily average a 1.40+ rating as their performances with similar teammates are not comparable. MVPs are impossible to obtain without a good team therefore they are a team achievement. s1mple is not close to ZywOo skillwise therefore ZywOo is the GOAT.
2023-04-13 21:01
5 replies
“s1mple is not close to ZywOo skillwise therefore ZywOo is the GOAT” This is the most ridicilous and delusional statement ever made
2023-04-13 21:30
4 replies
Prove me wrong then.
2023-04-13 21:53
3 replies
s1mple’s always been the best and has been consistently for a decade now. No matter what team, he would always show up and carry them through games meanwhile ZywOo has had experienced and greatest CS players alongside him since day 1. He gave up AWP multiple times to traditional awpers but still remained the best and at worst be the second best during some periods His pistols are insane as well, probably the best CZ player of all time The best awper of all time and you have to consider his play style as well. While other top awpers like shiro, broky, device and zywoo play passive, s1mple’s the only one who has tried and succeeded in replicating prime kennyS with all the aggression, going for noscopes, fast flick shots, close range awping He basically has all the awping and rifling styles dialed into him, he can play any role almost His rotations are insane too, especially Nuke, bunch of top tier analysts have recognized him as the best CT side player of all time His performances at majors have been godlike, Liquid one’s stand out the most and nevermind Stockholm 2021 where he sropped 1.47 to have the single Greatest Tournament performance ever with NiKo having 2nd best major individual run too with a 1.36 Haven’t seen ZywOo do it And all this barking about s1mple taking his time - he had an ESL ban which forbid him from attending 2/3 majors + he has literally played half of his career on t3/2 teams. NaVi 2017 wasn’t t1 yeah, but this all doesn’t matter because ZywOo is more humble thats why he’s the goat, right?
2023-04-13 23:33
2 replies
You destroyed him
2023-04-14 00:04
ZywOo has been the best player in the world since he came to the tier 1 scene. s1mple on the other hand wasn't even close. Only after he joined one of the best teams in the world he became 4th in 2016. Not sure what periods you talking about. ZywOo is by far the best pistol player of all time as can be seen here: hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate.. The only thing s1mple is better at than ZywOo is AWPing and game awareness. He's not even close to ZywOo in terms of rifling, pistoling, clutching, aim, etc ZywOo can also and do it even better. Yes, that's why I said that his game awareness is better than ZywOo's. hltv.org/stats/teams/players/5973/liquid.. hltv.org/stats/teams/players/5973/liquid.. Not impressive at all, he's barely the highest-rated player in his own team. His Stockholm rating is so high because Na'Vi didn't lose a single map at that Major. That heavily inflates your rating. ZywOo still hasn't had the chance to do it, he's not been lucky enough to get a team just as good as s1mple's. His fault for cheating lol It does matter but ZywOo's obviously the better player. hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. These are their stats with comparable teammates, although s1mple's teammates still have a higher average rating. If ZywOo got a team like Na'Vi 2021 around him he would easily average a 1.40+ rating.
2023-04-14 10:21
he played in 5 majors so 2/5 in playoffs
2023-04-13 19:04
they gotta make deep runs, eliminating early on hurts his year.
2023-04-13 18:37
#61
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Brazil flytw4tp
people say zywoo chokes at major but the reason is that Vitality cant keep up with zywoo he can't win 1vs9 all the time
2023-04-13 18:46
#62
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Sweden MasterHimi
No chance at all. He hasn't played the best teams yet. Will most certainly drop back to a solid 1.29
2023-04-13 18:46
2 replies
He hasn't?
2023-04-13 18:51
10 maps out of 33 against top 5 teams (1.25 rating) 15 maps against top 10 (1.34 rating) 26 & 27 maps against top 20 & top 30 (1.32 rating) bruh
2023-04-13 18:53
group stage warrior
2023-04-13 18:49
1 reply
0/8
2023-04-13 19:02
1.19 is still evp material
2023-04-13 18:53
#74
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
We shall see what CS2 does to the rest of the year. Otherwise, this is ZywOo's last chance to win a Major with apEX.
2023-04-13 19:02
3 replies
#150
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Sweden slyde123
Not super high on Vitality imo, hoping faze or g2 win it imo
2023-04-13 20:22
2 replies
G2 look better than FaZe and Vitality currently at the RMR, that's for sure.
2023-04-13 21:00
1 reply
#178
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Sweden slyde123
hopefully faze makes it... karrigan has really been slouching man
2023-04-14 09:41
#77
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Brazil Elakk
no
2023-04-13 19:03
#79
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Russia IgorSV
Niko deserves it more
2023-04-13 19:07
#81
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Italy alastt27
nope, they had a lot of matches vs t44
2023-04-13 19:11
#82
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Italy alastt27
1.32 vs top 20, while s1mple had 1.35
2023-04-13 19:11
20 replies
s1mple 1.33 vs top 10 ZywOo 1.34 vs top 10 Your point? XD
2023-04-13 19:21
19 replies
#106
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Italy alastt27
? Zywoo has 1.32 this year against top 10, s1mple in 2021 had 1.34.
2023-04-13 19:33
18 replies
What are you on? hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. 1.34 vs top 10 opponents (15 maps) hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. 1.33 vs top 10 opponents (112 maps)
2023-04-13 19:34
17 replies
16 replies
There is no way you don't know the filters.
2023-04-13 19:38
15 replies
#119
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Italy alastt27
I don't know what's exactly the difference, but what I see is the avg rating vs top 10 of the moment
2023-04-13 19:41
14 replies
Those filters in the links that you have sent me only count stats when both s1mple's or ZywOo's team is in the top 10 and their opponent is in the top 10. The featured ratings below the player's rating is only against top 10 opposition.
2023-04-13 19:42
1 reply
#127
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Italy alastt27
2023-04-13 19:49
#125
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Italy alastt27
oh, now I get it, but what about top 5, ZywOo is clearly a lot worse than s1mple against t1.
2023-04-13 19:48
11 replies
That is called team difference, all the top 5 teams are better than Vitality while Na'Vi in 2021 was the most dominant team we've ever seen so s1mple's rating is inflated.
2023-04-13 19:51
10 replies
#142
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Italy alastt27
no, that just shows that s1mple is better against t1 teams, and nothing more. 2018, he had better rating, with 2 guys below 1.00(1.28), then in 2020 with 3 guys below 1.00 rating(1.3), all vs top 5. s1mple's 3 best year vs top 5 is ZywOo's best year vs top 5. s1mple is just a lot better when it comes to play-offs vs better teams.
2023-04-13 20:11
9 replies
Na'Vi's worst years: 2019 and 2022 s1mple's rating vs top 5 in those years: 1.18 and 1.22 There is a direct correlation between having a good team and performing well vs top 5.
2023-04-13 20:16
8 replies
#146
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Italy alastt27
maybe it's the opposite? There's direct correlation between playing well against top 5 and winning tournaments.
2023-04-13 20:18
7 replies
There's not lol You can't have good stats vs top 5 if you don't have a world-class team around you.
2023-04-13 20:40
6 replies
#164
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Italy alastt27
s1mple 2020, 2018? lol
2023-04-13 21:54
5 replies
hltv.org/news/30998/top-20-players-of-20.. hltv.org/news/25848/top-20-players-of-20.. + Na'Vi was ranked the 2nd best team in both of those years.
2023-04-13 21:56
4 replies
#169
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Italy alastt27
no shit, and who is Magisk, who is dupreeh, who is Spinx. Navi in 2020 literally had 3 players below 1.00 rating, what are you even talking about, electronic had 1.14 rating, 1.12 vs top 5,and all the other below 0.98 vs top 5. s1mple in 2021 was literally putting 1.45 rating every single lan big event which is absolutely crazy.
2023-04-13 23:33
1 reply
ZywOo does have the best teammates he's ever had right now no doubt. This is why his stats look like this since Spinx joined. hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. Still, though, apEX and dupreeh are worse than anyone on Na'Vi in 2020. Na'Vi lost one match in 2021 on LAN so his rating is heavily inflated. This is s1mpe's rating in 2021 at the events they didn't come first. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?event.. 1.15 against top 5, 1.24 against top 20
2023-04-14 09:47
#171
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Italy alastt27
even tho you say you are objective, you are really delusional when it comes to s1mple and his achievements just bc you personally like ZywOo more.
2023-04-13 23:34
1 reply
Not really, it's a known fact that winning inflates your rating. Let's compare their stats when ZywOo gets a top 5 player alongside him.
2023-04-14 09:50
no, i doubt zywoo will have more than 1.32 at the end of the year
2023-04-13 19:22
2 replies
+1
2023-04-13 20:18
Even that would be far more impressive than s1mple's 2021 and 2018 considering ZywOo's terrible team.
2023-04-14 11:38
Depends on how things change with CS2
2023-04-13 19:39
#126
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Denmark Mursten
It's impossible with such a bad team. S1mple was only able to do it because he was playing in an environment where they won all their matches convincingly. That obviously boosted his stats that year. Without teammates like that I don't think even ZywOo can keep that rating up for a year
2023-04-13 19:48
1 reply
I think its possible if ZywOo somehow survived up to this point he might show up more. S1mple in 2018 did same shit. With similiar team, though after this year even if he peaks they will still have to do changes not even s1mple could've carried the team for 2 years the form will drop for next year a little bit.
2023-04-13 20:23
zywoo would never
2023-04-13 19:58
#160
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Sweden Tr1zym
cdf
2023-04-13 21:47
#161
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Albania me_donk
bi-woo 1.38 rating in big events 2023
2023-04-13 21:50
1.35 while playing Vs teams in finals >>>> 1.36 while playing Vs nip and asstralis for most of the year
2023-04-13 22:08
Anyway stats of this year would be biased cause of cs2. So S1mple the best)
2023-04-14 09:45
#199
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France LuluX
2023*
2023-04-14 10:37
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