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Not reaching the play-offs.
Sorry for the spoiler, but that's even good for them because -dupreeh will happen (maybe -apex as well).
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S1mple loves to disappear in big games? No, I think u are just hating or don't watch cs at all
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"the so called "2nd best player ever" that loves to disappear in big games."
Idk, what ru talking about?
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Implying? Seriously, do you watch cs or Ru just a fanboy?
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Greatest =/= best, no one can deny S1mple as the goat for his skill, achievements and long career, but everyone with eyes can see zywoo is the best to ever touch the game and he has every meaningful individual statistic to prove this
I mean, u can try to debate that, but u won't succeed
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Exactly, most MVPs and titles because of longevity, most MVPs in one year because of an actual good team (again, linked to the long career)
Ofc he's insanely skilled and I don't wanna take anything from him but yeah, zywoo better. Just check rating in playoffs, check the greatest highlights ever, number of aces, pistol rating, the greatest carry performances in finals ever, open rating, rating against full buy rounds, there's so many fuckin metrics that the woo leads it's ridiculous
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"check the greatest highlights ever"
literally s1mple has a graffiti and zywoo doesnt
"Just check rating in playoffs"
try to check ratings in majors, when it actually matters most, remember s1mple in stockholm? 1.47 RATING, there has never been anything like it
rest of your points are just made up nonsense or fanboy points, only thing zywoo has that s1mple doesn't is his pistol skills, thats literally it.
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Ok, check the stats and then you'll see if it's nonsense
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bro ex coach of s1mple even said that he is jealous of how good zywoo is xdddd, zywoo is clear when it comes to skill
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12yo spotted
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"s1mple > zywoo"
12yo spotted
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You already said that. But sure lets repeat ourselves.
bro ex coach of s1mple even said that he is jealous of how good zywoo is xdddd, zywoo is clear when it comes to skill
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I think ex-coach of s1mple knows more than you lil bro
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all analysts and experts of cs consider s1mple as the goat, in every tournament videos from blast and esl when they ask who the best is, they always mentioned s1mple
so analysts,experts and pros don't matter because you heard some nonsense of "s1mples ex coach"
source btw? not that it matters because its 1v100
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not gonna read all that tbh but zywoo is clear, just like s1mples ex-coach said, and s1mple knows it too thats why he is jealous
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yeah analysts thinking something = facts xdddd no those are also only feelings, the only fact I know is that s1mple is jealous of zywoo, which literally proves zywoo is miles better. Cryyyyyy
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Imagine thinking s1mple is better when even he himself is jealous of zywoo lmaoooo cryyyy
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cryyyyy
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Sup boi
This debate is funny im reading it while pooping
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I'm so happy I started this
you are distorting s1mple's statistics basing only off of majors. which is not miles ahead of zywoo except when v top 5 (majors), but if zywoo had played as many majors as s1mple, then zywoos statistics would be better, because that's literally what's prevalent when comparing their stats.
if you were to put v top 5 in big events, there is absolutely no difference. so if s1mple is better, why is there no difference between the two statistics wise even though he's the "goat" and has many many more years of experience in big events?
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by that logic you punish s1mple for being in the game longer than zywoo, that's completely braindead.
the facts are he has better major stats, more individual awards, a major + major mvp and they have the same overall all time stats on big events.
s1mple clears and there is nothing you can do about it.
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my gangster, i don't think you understand what i mean when i bring up that s1mple been playing longer. that means he is BOUND TO WIN MORE ACHIEVEMENTS because HE HAS BEEN IN THE SCENE LONGER. if you can't acknowledge that then you genuinely win the argument just because your skull is too thick.
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You are just re*arded if you seriously think S1mple is better than Zywoo atm.
Please mate just leave HLTV
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Unfortunately neither can I, the tweet has been deleted and I can't really look for some archived version right now. Some guy did the math and posted it. But since it's gone, I'll retract that from my statement, fuck it. Don't need it.
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Isnt this it? twitter.com/vooCSGO/status/1595335622918..
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It was another tweet but y that's it ty
,,rating in playoffs"
-S1mple: the best rating ever detected in a single cologne playoffs 1.53 in 2021)
the best rating ever detected in a single katowice playoff (1.51 in 2020)
the best rating ever detected in a single major playoff (1.55 in 2021)
,,check the greatest highlights ever"
-bruh, nice a highlight from IEM Beijing online, good for him, but s1mple made a much sicker play in a fricking major semifinal thats also why he has 1 graffiti and zywoo has 0
,,number of aces"
-i dont know who has more aces in total in their career s1mple or zywoo but s1mple has the most ACEs at a single S tier tournament (4 aces at a motherfricking cologne in 2021), so i give this point to s1mple
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Like I said, I don't care to argue anymore, especially since you're not getting my point. I said from the beginning, s1mple is the goat, second best player in terms of skill, I just put zywoo ahead in skill, achievements are beyond comparison.
Regarding all those stats, I'm talking about overall, not here and there highlights which both players have and the 2016 graffiti was in a semi final
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*i noticed my mistake regarding the grafitti and corrected it already*
-i just dont think that zywoo is better, i think he has highet potential but maybe if apex gave him better diapers then i could say that he is better but i just cant say it when I see his major/kato playoff elimination games performances
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Yes and u don't mention cologne since he has an MVP there and all the other events where he shredded in front of a massive crowd don't matter, only Kato/majors since he didn't have glory there
No offense but u sound like the zywoo fans who bring up the S1mple major finals vs LG and Astralis or his game against furia
Big fuckin deal he had some bad games lol
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,,only Kato/majors since he didn't have glory there" i am not mentiontioning kato and major because he shit his pants there but because major is the #1 event of the year and katowice is the #2 event of the year (you can make the argument that cologne is as big as katowice, ok i dont argue about that)
-yes he played well in cologne in 2019 i am not denying that
-he played well in cologne 2020 as well but be honest, you dont remember anything from that event because it was online and just noone really cared so the pressure was not enough for him to shit his pants
S1mple finals against EG and Astralis are a completely different thing, those games were against the best eras of the modern counter strike (its like losing to navi in the second half of 2021, you cant blame people for that)
zywoo elimination major games:
katowice 2019 Vitality vs Nip, zywoo 1.13 rating (not that bad but still underperforming considering what he should be doing as #1 player of the year)
Berlin 2019 Vitality vs Avangar, one of the worst teams in the bracket, he had 1.19 which is not that bad but still Avangar at the time is a team he should have farmed against
Stockholm 2021 Vitality vs Navi, I dont blame him navi was unbeatable
Antwerp 2022 Vitality vs Heroic, zywoo 1.07 rating
Rio 2022 Vitality vs Ence, zywoo 0.94 rating
Its not just a few games, its basically every signle elimination game at a major when his team is in 2-2 position or in playoff.
+You cant compare playing against prime LG or prime Astralis to playing against Ence in 2022 or Nip in 2019
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*finals against LG not EG*
Yeah I didn't compare lol, thanks for the read
It sounds a lot like 'zywoo didn't hard carry and they got rekt"
Wtf else is gonna happen? His team sucks. Literally only one of those games he goes negative and they lost them all. I even remember against ence he had that fuckin sick deagle 4k
Sorry but idgaf about 5 games when he didn't even play bad overall and had many other games that were huge and he carried
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1) ,,had many other games that were huge and he carried" none of them were major/kato elimination games, thats just convenient, eh?
2) his team sucks because he plays in vitality, and why? oh yeah he´s too scared to leave his home
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1) we're going in circles now
2) xd
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2) its a fact, he enjoys sitting at home getting massive paycheck, he doesnt care that he will probably retire without a major (if vitality dont make any huge change)
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I think he's shitting himself against sh1ro rn
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yeah he is playing this map well, but still not even topfraging
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Cmon man, u can see from his reaction and post match interview he cares a lot about winning, and u could certainly see from his 5 clutches in a deciding map on a semi final in front of a fuckin mad crowd that he doesn't shit himself when the pressure is on
U can think S1mple is better, idgaf, but don't disrespect the woo like this
s1mple rating
in katowice 2020 final: 1.52
in cologne 2018 final 1.25
in cologne 2021 final 1.37
in cologne 2022 final 1.10
in stockholm 2021 major final 1.51
in antwerp 2022 MAJOR SEMIFINAL 1.76
ofc you are now gonna send some bad s1mple grand final games like cologne 2016 or antwerp 2022 or whatever you want to send
but the reality is that S tier events (katowice, cologne, major) are the biggest events of the year and in every single one of these events s1mple had superb grand finals (katowice 1.52 rating, cologne 1.37 rating, major 1.51 rating)
and if you dont want to talk only about grand finals, s1mple had 1.76 rating in a MAJOR SEMIFINAL - one of the best major semifinal performances of the modern counter strike (since 2017)
the best zywoo performance in an S tier grand final is 1.10 rating in cologne , the best s1mple performance in an S tier grand final at katowice 1.52.
Call me up when zywoo gets above 1.25 rating in a major playoff match ok? I dont care if he wins/loses the game but just call me up ok?
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Ok bro I'll call u up
Farming 1.69 rating in a game where Ur team destroys the other is not a big achievement. Leading Ur team with insane clutches to comeback from a 2-0 deficit against fuckin navi and S1mple himself is.
Also, S tier events for u aren't what counts as S tier events for everyone else. Zywoo has won plenty of those and broke the record for frags in a bo5 final last time he did that
Again, not taking anything away from S1mple. He is the goat, like Ur post alludes to, he has insane achievements over the years. But in terms of pure individual skill zywoo is better
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,,Farming 1.69 rating in a game where Ur team destroys the other is not a big achievement. Leading Ur team with insane clutches to comeback from a 2-0 deficit against fuckin navi and S1mple himself is." iem beijing online 2020 is not an S tier event, noone remembers anything from that event except for the grand final, when it comes to cologne or majors people remember even the semis and other stuff
,,Also, S tier events for u aren't what counts as S tier events for everyone else. Zywoo has won plenty of those and broke the record for frags in a bo5 final last" if you compare tournaments zywoo has won (crowdless) ESL pro league, CS_summir, online IEM Beijing, online blast fall final, some mediocre tournaments in 2019 to tournaments like cologne/kato/major then that alone tells me that you are just delusional trying to make excuses for zywoo´s underperformance in major elimination games
if you cant do these numbers in a major playoff game then i dont care, and the fact that its because of his team is utter bullshit because if he can do it with the same team at some bullshit event like IEM beijing or IEM winter or even that crowdless ESL pro league then why cant he do it at the major? oh yeah i forgot, he first needs diaper change
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It's simple, he has played 6 majors over 4 years. If he can barely carry his dog shit team over dozens of events, just apply the same winrate to the major and you get why doesn't have any success.
Also, you can call him bad at majors all u wantes still the third highest rated player ever there, so if anything, he's below average for his own standards, but far from bad.
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,,still the third highest rated player ever there" yeah but not in fucking playoffs, lol i never said he is bad in majors but just stated the fact that he has never had 1.20 rating + major elimination game
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Again, unluko and not related to his individual skill. U can say he chokes in the absolute biggest moments (major playoffs) and sure, until he has a great performance there I can't really counter it. But he's shined in many other moments with pressure on so, I doubt it.
Anyway, enjoy the games, I've argued enough about this
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like the only time he got to kato playoff (2023) and was even overperformed by magisk, again his stats dipped like 20%, just as always at kato/major
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Yes, s1mple has performed better at majors than zywoo so far, even with subpar teams
That liquid lineup was pretty good tho, better than some Navi lineups S1mple played, especially for 2016. Nitro and hiko were really fuckin good then, elige was great, JDM was pretty average
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I know a lot of plebs share that opinion lately, but no one that matters does. They're the most prestigious tournaments. But there's many other S tier lans of almost the same value.
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Vitality is just having a bad day + C9 have no pressure in this game
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That's the best thing that could happen to them, but zywoo and spinx are good enough to carry them through groups
I hope changes anyway
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Actually i don't think so, unless they'll get snappi or make Magisk an IGL.
If we won't count apex's braindead decisions during the matches (as a player), he still makes a good calls and have a decent read of the games pretty often. But even if he'll make the right call he'll still fuck up the whole round by just some random jumping and shooting because why the fuck not lul.
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+1 he's the classic braindead individually coz trying to IGL too hard
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wow what a bold prediction it's not like everyone knows they're trash except their fanbase
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it should've been 2:0 for BIG but sadly crowd wasn't on our side
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cya in the paris major, oh wait
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Faze fan xDDDDD
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Faze_1_Major_1_Grand_Slam_BUG_Clan
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but bug clan 1 roobet cup tho? XDDD
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TRUUEEEEE, GJ for BUG clan winning online tournaments. Someday they can win big LAN championships.
G2 not making it too
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Yes.
They will win the IEM; as they did for the EPL and then will fall off in the legend stage.
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