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Its too much dude, he tries to make superstar from 16 y.o academy player. Just send him back to academy, bring z0ntix or r1nkle to NaVi
B1ad3 really thinks he can just spawn top20 player from every academy player. Let Npl improve in academy dude, not everybody is meant to be good at the beginning. Look at Roej, he is 28 y.o and destroyed G2 yesterday
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why you bully me, everyone askin
they do that to everyone, look at sdy, bro has the time and form of his life since he left those shiters behinde.
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its a shame, if they coud fix that they coud be unstopable
just a truth
-s1mple +academy player
s1mple is washed and toxic remove him asap
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Don't you have a clip maybe ? or don't you know what round it was ?
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I know it was on overpass, he got knifed on his way down to B site and then naded and s1mple gave him the awp. Then lost the round he was the only one alive with 1hp, he died close to conector with 1hp. Just check his reaction right when he dies after looking at his teammates.
Not sure about the round, but should be easy for you to look for it now i guess
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I will try to find it, thank you for the info
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It took me a while, it's definitely not at the end of round 5/6. But a good start nonetheless, It's at the end of round 12 of 30, timestamp is 9:38:33 This will show you the reply. However, as I saw in the earlier stream before and now again, Simple was doing good with the AWP in the rounds before, and also looking very comfortable. IDK maybe he was not happy with the decision to drop the AWP, but the round was clearly lost due to the knife attack, as NaVi had to adjust to this and swap places. However, the knife attack was not shown in the reply :(
"npl was the only player keeping Na'vi alive on Anubis."
what about other maps lol
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When you lose 2 maps and you go to a map3.
You're not thinking about who did bad or good in previous maps, the 3rd map is THE map you need to win to qualify.
That's all that matters, he played good last map and people can't take it all on him, especially when he's playing under such pressure.
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"When you lose 2 maps and you go to a map3."
if he wasnt underperforming there would be no need to go to map 3, if he want underperforming Navi wouldnt play in 2-2
"he played good last map and people can't take it all on him"
am i? i said "what about other maps"
"especially when he's playing under such pressure."
everyone is playing under pressure
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Nah bro, under s1mple pressure.
You clearly missing out on some clips.
Happened the same to SDY but he didn't care, but npl clearly reacts to it and you can see his face after and during some rounds.
S1mple went missing on last map, why are we blaming the rookie, as always? Come on, do better.
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no questions that simple is a mor*n for acting like that
i complained about him when sdy was playing for navi (and before, but he wasnt raging much when boombla was in the team)
and blade is a moron for not stopping him, i remember him saying something like "i let them show their emotions and bla bla bla", back than i thought "are u ret***d, blade?", but i believe it was the same in Flipside, if we judge it based on old clips, blade never could ask simple to stfu
and electronic is a bad igl if he allows it to happen during the game, didnt happen when zeus was in the team, they would argue, simple would stfu and tilt till the end of the game, but at least he wouldnt tilt anyone else but himself
there is so many problems in navi, but lets be honest, npl is not the guy for navi, at least imo
sdy wasnt the problem, he wasnt properly utilized, but npl is not a tier 1 player yet (again, imo)
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+1
Underperforms on overpass, NaVi win. Underperforms on mirage along with all his teammates, NaVi lose, Performs well on Anubis while s1mple and b1t underperform, NaVi lose. Don't think it's his fault it went to map 3, or that NaVi were 2-2 considering no one performed against Liquid or Monte, but i guess you've gotta scapegoat someone.
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a chain is only as strong as its weakest link
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and that weak link is s1mple
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no, there are many more weak links:
1) npl's performance
2) simple's performance on majors
3) simple constantly raging and tilting the whole team
4) electronic and blade not being able to tell simple to stfu
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I replied to that in my previous replies here in details, but to make it short:
1) im not blaming him - im blaming navi management for bringing some one who is not ready
2) navi should get simple a psychologist just for him, his behavior is inappropriate
3) blade and electronic should take their tongues out of their asses
Sure blame the young kid who is under much more pressure. From his teammates, the situation (its a major) and being a newest on the lineup.
You want the other maps?
S1mple 0.77 rating on mirage, 1.00 rating on anubis. This is the guy people call the "goat" but cant even perform when he needs to. Never has been performing, statpadding like I've said for years.
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if "the young kid" is under pressure and cannot perform - he should not compete on a major
bad on navi for bringing someone who is not ready, terrible management
"the young kid" b1t won the major under the same pressure, stop using it as an excuse
and why would you bring simple in? did i say that he did good? everyone knows that he always underperforms, this is common knowledge
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Your arguments can be used towards the others aswell, like mentioned s1mple. And as you say, its common knowledge he cant perform during important matches. So why would they keep the veteran over the young kid who has many years ahead of him and if his team cant help him then I guess its much better for him to find a different team. He wasn't the problem.
Sure b1t did well on his rookie year, but not everyone does that. But why is that an excuse for navi to bully npl? He's the newest, young. Lets go knife him, yell at him make him really unconfortable on our team. Sure thats a great way to help your team win!
I brought in s1mple because you kept blaming npl for not stepping up, I gave you the veteran who is supposed to help/carry/support the young players. But instead he underperformed hugely and did exactly the opposite of what he's supposed to.
Also I didn't use his age as an excuse, just to let you know that it's always "the young kid" who gets the blame, no matter what happens. He could have carried everything with a 3.0 rating, but if navi still loses that match he would still be to blamed. Because he's "the young kid"
Thats what I've seen on hltv so many times, always the young player taking the fall when its not their fault. Or like now where they're getting bullied by their teammates
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a lot of what you mentioned does not represent my position on Navi, you can read my #81 where i mentioned some of those topics
"so why would they keep the veteran over the young kid"
because this young kid did not prove that he can bring more to the team than simple, and simple won hltv's #1s for a reason. navi should not remove him, especially for nipl, they could've moved him to a rifler position for a young awper like monesy or headtrick, but to completely remove him - absolutely not. what they should do, is to hire a sports psychologist/mental coach just for simple, to work out his anger issues and underperformance under pressure, as well as electronic and blade should learn how to shut simple's mouth instead of letting him flame everyone. this is what an igl and coach must know how to do. being a star player does not give simple a right to act the way he acts - it does not help the team but makes it worse
"why is that an excuse for navi to bully npl"
never said that. to make it clear, im not blaming him, im blaming navi's management for bringing him to the major, he is not ready yet, bit was ready, but bit was one of a kind, and now they think that they can just take any academy player and he will perform great on tier 1. stupid.
nipl is not a tier 1 player yet and he is not ready for major yet. the stress of this major may significantly impact nipl's future and navi is to blame for that, there is a chance that they just ruined a great upcoming talent by putting to much on his shoulders before he is ready - poor management who does not care about players if its not simple
"I brought in s1mple because you kept blaming npl for not stepping up"
i did not blame him, i stated the fact that he did not perform well, and i never said that he is to blame for that
Sure if npl played good navi would beat faze in mirage kekw
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did watch mirage, im talking in general, all games and all tournaments where navi played with nipl
npl was great at getting NAVI to 15 rounds, after that he disappeared off the face of the earth - big contribution to FaZe being able to pull it back
i'm not saying that because a 17yo who got promoted from the academy participating in his first major with a team with as high expectations as NAVI he should be benched immediately for feeling pressure, but it's undeniable that his disappearance at the end of regulation and in OT allowed FaZe an avenue back in - some of the kills he conceded were kills he would've gotten earlier in the game
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What you said in the first part is what happens ( not literally but you can see s1mple's reactions and how npl adjusts based on that ).
As i said in #72, there are players that don't care about s1mple pressure and s1mple throwing them under the bus like he did with SDY during Cologne and there are players that get affected by that which is npl case.
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yeah, because players like elec, perf and b1t have won a lot already and they know they are good players, meanwhile guys like npl are begining their road on t1 and without this success they feel scared. Sdy had same problem because he was kicked or left both spirit and mad lions due to conflicts in team and org prefered other players and he got not his roles in navi and that's all affected him. If navi players supported him more, maybe he would play better. But there is another side. Navi before sdy were top1-2 team in cs world and their ambitions were too high.
+1 s1mple has been making everyone more stressed. Just look how SDY has flourished again without him.
have the clip?
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NPL is literally 0.63 rating bro stop being defensive. Its not acceptable
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when s1mple is missing shots that even Junior would hit, you can`t blame kid that is playing whatever he is asked to.
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I didnt see s1mple missing shots
he was just executed by grenades and trades
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cause observer doesn`t show you when s1mple whiffs...
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Sdy is igl and on the playoffs and has higher rating than all of navi players on major
S1mple plays dogshit and tanks everyone's confidence and makes team overall worse
More like s1mple harrassing his teammates is the problem
how is npl the one to blame ? literally carried navi in anubis
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yeah its crazy right? 1 good map out of 5 others
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Buddy if that was the reason Vitality and Liquid wouldn't survive having apex and Nitro on the team.
Nor would faze with karrigan
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nitro isn't even IGL anymore, lmao.
Liquid still has "top tier awper" in osee
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His rating is 1.07 and ONLY because he farmed ITB and 9ine, versus navi and heroic he was awful, with 0.93 rating
hltv.org/stats/players/7687/nitr0?event=..
kindly look at eliges rating too. 0.91, liquid still passed through comfortably.
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+1 lol
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im not NaVi fan
I expected someone like Hobbit instead of sdy. Not some academy bot
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>even npl can play well
1 out of 10 maps and its the problem. Yes whole team its not the same anymore. But making very close game against FaZe its already good result, no? They need to start from the beginning, and npl shouldnt be there
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If you forced to play eco every round and galil ar every round so lord s1mple plays hero ak you are not the blame
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you are not, and sdy proved that
the atmosphere is toxic in the team and b1ad3 is not making it an easier with his after match comments about his opinion on how the players played that no one asked
I've never seen an interview where the interviewer would ask how did one or another player played. It is always how are you feeling about the team overall, but that dude goes out of his way and starts trash talking his players.
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The other 4 are in the team for ages, and are used to s1mple. And still, let's be honest, they are also affected. B1t proved before what he outputs when the atmosphere in the team is ok.
s1mple is really good, but I've to quote woro2k. Same goes for b1ad3, the dude thinks he is playing football manager or something. Too much ego.
Still, there were moments captured where s1mple was trash talking in pause, and b1ad3 went into kane mode.
At the end of the day, it is just my opinion. I'm not a pro player nor a trainer. Just sharing what I see during the streams of tournaments.
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At this point s1mple should probably leave because he's being "toxic" almost every game, he clearly doesn't feel good playing with these players and he makes the other guys uncomfortable too...
Just go to a different team and let these guys / NaVi find their next star
Also this NaVi squad is in a terrible situation (kinda like Astralis) where every new 5th player will get blamed even if electronic/Perfecto/b1t are underperforming too so adding "r1nkle" won't save them
If anything they need one last ride with a proper IGL and if it doesn't work just disband
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Same thing happened with the old LG core
Hard to get good players when you only want new players to be coming from Ukraine and refuse to pick up Russians because just having been born in Russia means you're a Putin soldier to the Na'Vi management, org deserves failure.
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I wouldnt go so far, i understand why navi did this. At the end of the day its still a ukranian org, can you immagine the backlage.
This said, these are the results.
Electronic has been ruined. Bit is lost. Perfecto is the only one still putting up his part. Nps is just not a navi caliber player and wont be for long. And simple, i ve never seen somebody become this toxic. He was such a nice guy with boomach. Now he is ready to explode every round.
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he is toxic too when with boomich but boomich can handle s1mple and bring the team full focus. i remember when they lost 12:3 on train they made a comeback and win the map. ngl they need real IGL and easygoing person who can cheer up the team
>Best coach
>No igl is fine
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no IGL team that almost won against FaZe? Ok.
Electronic calling its not that bad
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No IGL team that manages to destroy top 5 rifler, that has the top 1 player, the 2nd best support and top 9 rookie of 2021.
Sure, sure. "Almost beating faze" is enough for a team with that immense amount of firepower.
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b1t right now is mediocre player. You're just stuck in 2021 if you're thinking otherwise.
dont even start about s1mple. Dude cant do shit without AWP in his hands nowadays
Meanwhile "GOAT" IGL karrygan tryharding with 4 top20 players against NaVi and BNE
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Oh yeah, totally the lack of IGL doesn't affect the players, electronic didn't also slumped after becoming IGL and b1t's best performance was in boombl4 last tournament in 2022, but i am stuck in 2021.
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Hmm sure, i forgot they didn't lose to monte yesterday. And its not like they didn't beat faze 2-0 in the RMR, right?
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As much as how BNE ALMOST beat faze. It means absolutely nothing to almost beat faze, dude. Its not like they're not struggling with every opponent.
You are the one deflecting their other poor results. Don't just ignore their monte BO3 defeat, they aren't good and it shows. Their good results were on the back of getting strong start in groups, but the only tier 1 team they actually defeated since EPL was heroic. Very overrated team.
They are on a downwards spiral since electronic became IGL. You can't deny reality. Can't deny that becoming IGL hurt electronic, can't deny that s1mple's performance and b1t's performance got worse after changing IGL, can't deny that they simply cannot fit in a 5th player. Their problem isn't individual, its on the team, because they fucking need an igl.
Also its quite funny you say "major 2022" mvp because thats about it for rain. Navi conveniently has a bunch of weak links but faze hasn't, sure.
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I'm not arguing about Navi's performance. I'm explicitly saying Faze is playing like shit. I don't disagree that Navi is terrible right now, but don't you see how bad that makes Faze look? Going into double overtime against a washed up team with no IGL and a 0.75 rated player is shameful.
Near losses actually say A LOT about a team. It gives a good scale as to how good the team is playing currently. Liquid absolutely destroyed Navi and then they also showed up against Heroic which shows they're in form right now. Monte did fairly well against a strong Vitality but still lost and then went on to destroy Navi the next day. Faze almost got eliminated by a T2 team and then went on to go 2-1 and double OT against Navi. You're blind if you can't see the implications.
I originally responded because you steelmaned Navi #16 and made it out to be like they shouldn't even be losing games right now. You basically implied that Navi not winning against Faze means Navi is weak. I'm saying it's a sign of weakness Faze didn't destroy Navi harder when they're in such a weak state.
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Nope, what i did is emphasize navi's steady decline since leaving out IGL. Of course i don't think b1t and s1mple are top 1 right now, but besides the obvious Electronic slump because being IGLing, these two also suffer from the lack of it. Teams need coordination, b1t didn't disappear out of nowhere.
My point is that navi by forfeiting IGL ruined at least two players (b1t and electronic) who were absolutely essential to their team's sucess and featured in the top 10. Every thing else you say is missing the point.
The same criticism can be applied to Faze, for different reasons, be it rain inconsistency, twistzz bad phase, and horrendous chokes. Which were always a problem with karrigan teams anyway.
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Lmao b1t is playing avg af since navi is not winning everything and s1mple is tilted %99 tims
Problem is that they don't realise they have a really toxic environment, starting with simple. If we can clearly see it just from the players cams imagine the living hell it must be to be inside and share 80% of your wake time with angry frustrated people who refuse to be accountable for their own emotions instead of facing them, and whose only coping mechanism is projecting that rage onto their most vulnerable teammates
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That too, but i'd say the problem is more about mentality than the players themselves as individuals. Might need to change players to restore a healthy environment but imo it's more about healing their team culture. Imagine the pressure npl/sdy had to face and also i imagine elec/simple/bit/perf have been stressed af and unhappy for a long time now.
Also the situation with the war adds a lot and i kinda feel it's understandable that they fell into this spiral, but they need to stop thinking about winning majors for now, and start rebuilding the joy of playing and their relationships, 'cause this isn't working
sorry, it's s1mple issue..
s1mple keeps blaming everyone in the team even when he makes mistakes.
He doesn't take responsibility for his mistakes.
and you can see him raging at NPL and others, everyone who played with him confirmed this.
I'll be tilted if I play with someone who keep blaming us for not covering him or every time he dies.
dont ruin r1nkle , r1nkle to FaZe or Liquid
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If he joins the team instead of s1mple, he wont be "ruined". We all know thy SDY and npl are underperforming ...
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Blad3, just stop. Find an IGL and let players decide how to play. This macro way of control everything does not work.
Navi fans, plz stop, the fifth player is not the problem in Navi.
I just hope npl goes to Spirit and beat them like sdy did. At this point, their structure, their map pool and their igl suck.
-npl
+woro2k
-elec
+demQQ
-Perfect
+sdy
Make Navi great again
I guess they are trying to promote and sell him
you cant keep shuffling the players expecting them be good from get go. Perfecto and bit were lucky finds yes. But here for npl you gotta let him grow within the team. You gotta educate him.
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-blade
+johnta
reply to the thread, not to you
best ukrainian rifler outside of NaVi
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He said it in an interview and way he said it I think he disagrees with the call, NaVi won't get any Russian players and that cost them the perfect squad because you cannot make it without pieces that fit.
Not buying from the biggest CS nation in the world will shrink your market by quite a bit.
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and now the 28 yo got destroyed by 20 yo ed sheeran
A change in leadership is evidently required.
s1mple is getting washed, if b1ad4 dont make all other navi players support s1mple, he would be under 1.0 rating, s1mple is getting worse each tournament NaVi participates.
"electronic is a better IGL than boombl4" kkkkkkkkkk
big boom would've NEVER let navi bottle on anubis
Reality is not every kid is like b1t lmao.
when navi managment will realise that they need a fucking igl?
the same situation happened after zeus kick
400 IQ man, say it to Blade please.
Blade and simple are toxic shitter NAVI needs to kick them asap
B1ad3 need to stop with this dumb gambling, dumb electronic igl's project and ruin young guy career (npl). get a proper IGL, find a stable AWPer if s1mple wants to leave/move to valerente
-npl
+ sdy
-npl
+sdy
sdy IGL, electronic back to star rifler.
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Why would sdy downgrade just to enter a toxic work enviroment?
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