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No crowd in Challengers and Legends stage despite huge and important games, ESL Rio Major showed how this is done and Blast did a step back, why? Terrible presentation, allegedly this major is in Paris but we see nothing of it, no pretty videos, no crowd just nothing. Even the stream name is just “Blast.tv Major” not Blast.tv Paris Major. Terrible.
Then the teams, tier 1 teams almost all of them sucking in legends stage, disappointing, having weak mental such as Navi against Monte. Ence, Navi, G2, Furia, they all sucked, in the case of Furia they even played like a Tier 3 team, what the fuck? G2 picking their worst map instead of Nuke against Fnatic and failing, it’s well known NiKo and M0nesy can’t play this map. I knew after 5 seconds that this will be a problem way before the map started I knew this is bad, when I saw it is Vertigo. Ence with Snappi the big mouth saying he’s the best igl despite 0 achievements. Maybe stfu next time and learn to be a bit more modest, modesty is gold and bragging is dogshit.
Furia, changing their system and playing tier 4 cs. You’re not Europeans, don’t try to copy something which isn’t yours. Terrible. This is not how life works. And then maybe it takes 6 months to copy the European style, not a few weeks. If it works at all.
FaZe is just terrible, they only made it through because other teams are trash as well. Navi had a clear path to qualify but couldn’t play against Monte. S1mple cursing himself with his fight against woro2K, etc. then they play against FaZe and we have 2 broken and washed up teams against each other.
So now, if NiP loses against Apeks we will have 4 Tier 2 teams in the playoffs. Who wants that? Nobody knows these teams and players. It’s not attractive, it’s boring and many people will not watch it. Congrats to the Tier 1 team for literally being mentally trash right when it counts, at the Major. How come G2 and Ence had great mental in the challengers and then fell down a cliff? Same could be said with Navi, when they played against Liquid and Monte, terrible games. Fell down a cliff.
As always major is the test of the strongest mentality aside from all the other factors. And tier 1 teams disappointed again. But I’m also disappointed in the boring presentation of the major. This is a major? Looks like some average EPL lan to me. Boring. Nice regression Blast, well done.
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The writer expresses dissatisfaction with the recent ESL Rio Major and Blast tournament. They criticize the lack of crowd and poor presentation, claiming that the major in Paris was not adequately showcased. They further criticize tier 1 teams like Navi, G2, Furia, and Ence for underperforming in the Legends stage, suggesting they had weak mentalities. Specific instances are mentioned, such as G2 picking their worst map and Ence's Snappi boasting despite no achievements. The writer disapproves of Furia attempting to imitate European playstyle and labels them as a tier 4 team. FaZe is also criticized for their poor performance, with the writer suggesting they only advanced due to other weak teams. The writer expresses concern about the possibility of having four tier 2 teams in the playoffs, deeming it uninteresting and believes that few people would watch it. They conclude by stating disappointment with the major's overall presentation, comparing it unfavorably to an average EPL lan event and criticizing Blast for regressing.
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lul good one
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maybe your fav team should put more effort and work before their matches instead of being so confident against a lower tier team that they lose the matches.
i would rather watch a team playing better cs than watching a t1 org playing bad cs. My fav player is kennyS but i would honestly not want his team to qualify for play offs because how bad falcons play
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i dont think anyone said that here,its tier 1 is considered tier 1 for a reason,if you put them in these same qualifiers and tourneys these tier 2 teams play in they will most time play way better,theres just something about the major now that these teams can just overperform like crazy,and the big names are underperfoming
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Can’t agree on the “Majors are bad when big teams fail” part.
But no Playoffs in Legends is indeed a big downgrade compared to Rio, although me must remember that it wasn’t the standard before either
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Can’t wait for the sick viewership for the gamerlegion cs monte game!
oh wait
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Wait and see
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agreed with the production stuff
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agree with u on the first take. No arena in Challenger/Legend stage is a shame for Blast, it looks like Blast want to save their money and this thing created condition to increase the amount of fluke teams because we all know these ones can't stand under pressure from big stage and crowd
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true partially
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"So now, if NiP loses against Apeks we will have 4 Tier 2 teams in the playoffs. Who wants that? Nobody knows these teams and players. It’s not attractive, it’s boring and many people will not watch it."
I somewhat disagree with this point but I can see why people wouldn't like it. Imo, we've went long past the point where some of these teams have "fluked their way over here". If they're here, they're here. If tier1 teams sucked thus far, this has no blame whatsoever on them for actually capitalizing on it and playing well enough to make through. This creates upsets and an unholy amount of dark horses, which I personally find fitting for the last CSGO Major somehow, though some would enjoy seeing these big teams (who are in shambles form-wise rn) in front of a crowd.
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A few tier 2 teams in the playoffs are fine, 3-4 is too much and just shows the tier 1 teams fell off a cliff when it mattered. No these tier 2 teams aren’t better, they just performed better in one stage
There’s maybe 2 tier 2 teams that are really good and that’s Monte and GamerLegion, the others are just not that great. So you want unknown teams in the biggest stage of CS? Enjoy the library then, cause nobody cares about them. Nobody bought tickets to watch them play .
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people DID complain about Rio being a library when FURIA isn't playing, right? then might as well take it to the face when the fan-favorites just fell off a cliff by themselves. this looks like a fun playoff stage to watch based off of curiosity alone - what kind of form will these teams show in front of a crowd on a major playoff? none of them got to this point already. will they upset someone? just fall flat? what are the looks?
shame it'll be a library, but personally speaking I don't really care. for you, it might be a horrible major, but I'm all for breaking the mold and not having the same heads clashing every single time. it gets old after a while.
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No the Rio Major had a crowd that only cared about Furia or Brazilian teams. Europeans care about a lot of teams, but usually it’s tier 1 teams, but that’s not 1 teams that’s at least 5 teams. So if it’s a library it’s because too many tier 2 teams are in playoffs, not because nobody cares like in Brazil. You can’t expect people to care for unknown tier 2 teams and unknown players
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you can't expect brs fans to care about teams that aren't even from their continent, correct? so if the hypocrites who complained about that want to be the first ones to not care about the playoffs because their favorite team isn't there, they're welcome to do that.
these major playoffs might (or more likely than that, might not) shape the way stuff looks when it comes to the next events and might force a few roster changes. for the good or not, these elite-tier teams shouldn't be dropping the ball as they did. get better and don't fluff it next major, wherever and whenever it might be.
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I cant? That makes no sense. European teams are literally the heart and soul of cs. So if they don’t care there shouldn’t be any tournaments there. Problem solved. I bet Asian people aren’t half as ignorant as Brazilians are. I also heard about the great crowd in AU. How’s this possible if regionals only care about regional teams? Seems to not be the case then
"Europeans care about a lot of teams"
Jame and Cadian gave interviews saying that they have never had fans like Rio, the championships in Europe have fans because most of the teams are European. You can take any game that is not of a European team from the last majors and you will see that the fans are silent
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Just to wrap up our conversation about the non-favorite teams in the playoffs, I hope this becomes common and that folks enjoy watching anyway, because the tendency is for a lot of teams to sink into CS2 and a lot of new talent to show up. It's nice to see "legendary" players and orgs, but CS gets more and more competitive and teams and players don't always keep up
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People hate Tier 2 teams because they don't draw big fanbases. But the only way to draw bigger fanbases is to win events like the major. It's a catch-22 for TO's and the same mentality that brings shit like the European Super League, everyone caring about profits and views for advertisers instead of competition.
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That’s the upside and downside of cs. The openness allows nobody’s to qualify for the biggest stage. That’s not even possible in League or Valorant for example. Literally these teams never achieved anything, qualified for the major and now they’re upsetting bigger teams.
But it’s just that, the bigger teams play without their fans because this major has no crowd besides the playoffs. So it’s made easier for tier 2 teams to withstand the pressure, essentially taking away the advantage tier 1 teams have over them.
u can also draw big fanbases by upsets vs big names, thats why ppl ve seen every match of ence back in the day or if u create good narrative around those teams, but ye, major talent didnt care about it at all this major, we know literally nothing about those teams(expect monte), no good content with them, so why would we even care
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good take
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If you have 2 arguments. And you spent 1 minute talking about one of them, and 59 minutes talking about the other one. You cant say 50% of what you said was the first argument
"what you said" is the whole damn text
and a % is what portion of that text is [put in variable]
Its quite simple really
I understand US education is quite sad these days, but these simple math question should be doable i would hope
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Feel like its kinda known at that time that most tier 2 teams arent in the tier 1 tournaments because of the immense gate keeping. You usually have like 80% partner teams and the rest gets through ridiculous qualifing events and maybe 1 open qualifier. Paired with sub par performances you get 3 favourites in the 0-2 spot. I guess a lot of the teams are really overthinking the major with weird punishing picks or new strats, when they probably could just played their usual game.
But I fully agree that blast organization has been really bad. You cant blame them for the missing big teams in the playoffs, but why not sell tickets for the legends or challenger stage. I am pretty sure quite a few people would have watched the Faze Navi match today. Could have also helped with hyping up the big teams considering how Furia made it to the playoffs in Rio, but maybe thats just Copium.
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Yeah Riot is worse with that, but they apparently also provide a much more streamlined experience. Meanwhile in CS you have huge tournaments like Cologne or Katowice and then comes the major with these insane upsets that don't mean anything because these teams become completely irrelevant afterwards. This make the majors less entertaining to watch, because you can only rely on 1-2 teams making it into the arena at this point. But its also hard to fix that.
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This is about entertainment, and I simply don’t care about tier 2 teams. I don’t. So Riot is doing it right, Valve, just doesn’t care. If they would care they would make it differently. They just don’t care about it
The CSGO circuit is pure Chaos, Chaos isn’t high quality, it’s whatever
Two whole stages behind closed door so 3/4 teams go home even before the crowd is braindead. Isnt major supposed to be the biggest event in the year?
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I agree with you with BLAST not producing any content whatsoever. It's like they barely care
I'm gonna ignore the stuff about the teams because that's just how it is in sports but when it comes to Blast I agree and disagree at the same time.
What I disagree with is that you should not expect a crowd in legends. It was always meant to be a one-time thing for Rio because ESL wanted to "pander" to brazil to an extent and because they wanted to get a large foothole into that region as a potential expansion point. It was amazing to have, but shouldn't be expected and I am pretty sure that ESL operated that crowd setting at a net loss. They also have more money to burn now and Blast does not have that kind of money, they're barely staying afloat as is right now.
What I am agreeing with is that the presentation is awful, no shoulder content, no storyline videos, they keep recycling the same 5 counterstrikle videos over and over again.
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Then Blast shouldn’t make these tournaments and Valve should do it themselves. Or give Blast more money to do it for them. There’s no excuse, go compare this to MSI, LEC Worlds in League. LEC is comparable to EPL and has a crowd. MSI is a step behind the importance of a major and has a big crowd. Your mistake is that you’ve accepted the mediocre and you’re not comparing it with other games where it’s done properly.
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No, that's not my mistake. What you're describing comes at a massive cost of having the game dev be a dictatorship doing as they please.
I rather have the hands off approach of Valve and a free marketplace than to have the approach Riot is doing. And Riot is also doing what they're doing at a loss, they just have an infinite money glitch so they can afford to.
I'd much rather have the esports scene be sustainable in itself than to desperately need the game developer to bail out TOs and esports orgs.
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Valve also has the infinite money glitch, no wait, actually only Valve has it, they didn’t need to sell themselves to a Chinese investor as well AND still have way more money. Steam > anything Riot ever did.
Nah, I want entertainment, it’s more important, high quality entertainment is more important than a “more open circuit”. These endless amounts of teams are just meaningless, it’s just mass not quality
Quality > mass
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You don't have to trust me, you could just say that you disagree or smth. But saying that I have no argument or whatever and hammering down on sources just comes across as if you were practicing for debate club.
And I don't think that I've been toxic to you, if you outright deny a conversation because there is toxic people in this forum I don't understand why you instigated discussion in the first place
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Agree that the production is lackluster and they somehow managed to make the games feel less intense than Blast Groups lol.
And yeah you'd forget the major even is in Paris if not for the branding, because there's no mention of it and no personality.
Also disappointed with the perfomance of T1 teams but T2 is not at fault for winning and neither is BLAST/Valve for the open-circuit format. It is what it is.
Probably not even going to watch play-offs since there are no teams that I care about left in the major.
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+1
Niko, a CSGO legend without a major trophy missed the last csgo major trophy. N0ko
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CS2 will be like a fresh start for all teams especially when you account for the way smokes work now.
Niko is a CSGO legend, and like a few other deserving players he missed out on he last CSGO major trophy.
The LAST CSGO Major trophy is a big deal to a lot of these guys and when you see some of these favorites lose and head to the airport you can see that realization hit that they missed out on probably one of the most important Majors of CSGO.
It's a big deal man.
And it's shocking to see the very last major without some of the teams you would expect to make it.
Clearly some lower tier teams prepared for this Major because even for them it's a big deal to win this major and show case their team before CS2
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I mean, I am a nerd I guess.
But something like this does matter to some of the favorites and "top tier players".
I could only imagine how important this trophy was to Niko.
For Dupreeh it's his shot at a 5th major victory.
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Let's hope he makes it to CS2 man, Niko looked rough after that Fnatic loss.
It won't be a huge leap yeah, but I think CS2 is gonna shake up a lot of teams, and this major we may see some benches haha.
But I hold this last major as a big deal for the scene all together while others might not.
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Depends on the final. If it’s a bunch of tier 2 teams it’s pretty forgettable, worse fluke than Outsiders. If a tier 1 team wins it it’s fine
Not because they don’t deserve it btw, no, it’s just boring and I know they will disappear again after it. This should be the Major of Zywoo, if he doesn’t win this, could be he never wins a major - in no game
Touch grass
So now my conclusion of the Major after the playoffs are finally behind us:
- watching tier 2 teams play in the playoffs was not bad, it was not as great perhaps as seeing teams like G2 and Navi that I like more, but it was okay, better than expected
- the final, which I said earlier is important to decide if the tournament is good or not, was good. Perhaps not great, but good enough
- fact of matter still is, a lot of Tier 1 teams disappointed this time. Last time they reached playoffs and disappointed in playoffs, depending on who you wanted to win of course, this time they disappointed before it and partially in playoffs, Liquid was a disaster and shadow of themselves in the playoffs, but was good in legends, bizarre enough. G2 crapped the bed once reaching legends which is also weird. Navi only played well in bo1 and was trash in bo3 which shows that the team is dysfunctional. Npl didn’t pay off so far and electronic is not a tier 1 igl in my opinion. Furia was utterly bad, the reasons were already explained here. NIP disappointed as well, the team simply underperforms too often, but this can be due to role clash with Brollan and K0nfig. Headtr1ck is also inexperienced but he was funny enough the best player of them. Cloud 9 didn’t even reach the major, this is a mentality problem but probably more because of a igl that is not good enough. With 2 of the best players of the world this is pretty bad. Finally, Ence also disappointed once hitting the legends stage, same as G2, something fell apart in them. Out of 10 top 10 teams, which I consider tier 1, 6 disappointed or didn’t even reach the Major itself. The 7th, Liquid, played very bad in the playoffs, that’s basically 7 of 10 tier 1 teams crapping the bed. Since Rio, tier 1 teams seem to have problems reaching their peak at the major. Why, I don’t know, maybe because of changes that didn’t benefit them or no changes in teams that are simply not good enough. This includes the downfall of Mouz and Fnatic who didn’t reach the playoffs this time.
All in all, the Major was good, not great but also not bad.
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