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Terrible major match ups
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Cape Verde rationale 
Why Heroic v Faze and Monte v GamerLegion? Who decided this crap? It means one of the underdogs will advance and one of the best teams will be eliminated. WTF?
2023-05-17 08:31
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Seeding
2023-05-17 08:31
61 replies
Was it random?
2023-05-17 08:32
60 replies
1st seed plays 8th seed 2nd seed plays 7th seed 3rd seed plays 6th seed 4th seed plays 5th seed faze fucked up in 0-2 and hence are the 8th seed because ITB beat them. This is also why there's the Vitality ITB matchup insteaf of Vitality Faze
2023-05-17 08:34
38 replies
I get it but it's still stupid.
2023-05-17 08:35
37 replies
#31
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Ukraine dashbug
Losing to tier-3 teams was stupid. It's not seedling's fault, it's faze's fault
2023-05-17 08:38
25 replies
So faze fucking up means the whole major playoffs are significantly less exciting. Sounds like a great system
2023-05-17 09:46
24 replies
#57
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Lithuania hi_im_nsk
I think you’re forgetting how lucky faze is to get this far saying they came from LCQ after failing RMR.
2023-05-17 10:02
1 reply
#107
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Mongolia zywh032
lucky? They did what they had to do there is no luck involved
2023-05-17 11:34
At least it's fair
2023-05-17 10:34
Yes wtf? It's a competitive tournament, where teams have equal chances to advance and win. If someone fucks up then it's fair they get punished. What kind of mindset do you have? Do you even understand how tournaments work? or did you just find out? Are you rich? Have you been served everything on a sliver platter your whole life? Do you know about setbacks and shortcomings? Have you ever NOT gotten what you want? What is wrong with you? It's a fair system that exists in EVERY SPORT. So if Monte plays Heroic in the Grand final, should Heroic get more chances to win becuase they are the better team? I-I don't get you...did you not know about this? I am completely baffled
2023-05-17 10:52
8 replies
damn bro I get the first paragraph you wrote, but the second was completely unnecessary. Why would you attack them so hard personally?
2023-05-17 10:53
4 replies
I am curious, I was serious there. I mean...I don't get it...how can you complain about a system that has existed for centuries in all sports in the whole world. That being "if you lose/fuck up, you will be out/in a worse position than the one that won". It's fundamental to all sports, right? So I am fully interested and curious about HOW someone cannot understand that that is fair. Maybe I was to hard on the "What is wrong with you", but the rest are honest questions.
2023-05-17 11:05
3 replies
I understand, you're probably right too, because "the whole playoffs are significantly less exciting" is actually only because faze plays heroic in the quarters instead of the semis, which is faze's own fault.
2023-05-17 11:14
2 replies
Yes, and it's C9s, G2s, Ences and VPs fault they are not there too. I mean, play better and you deserve to be in the playoffs. In the games that mattered they played bad. I agree that it could've been more exciting teams in the playoffs but now it will be fun to see if it will be Heroic vs Vitality in the Grand Final or will there be some other obscure team.
2023-05-17 13:59
1 reply
for sure, especially for G2 they should have won against fnatic but they crumbled. You could blame the bo1s they lost to even get there in the first place, but the fact that they lost to fnatic in a bo3 says enough I think... I hope it's Faze/Heroic vs Vita in the finals!
2023-05-17 14:13
not reading all that lol happy for you tho or sorry that happened
2023-05-17 12:03
1 reply
good luck with that
2023-05-17 14:00
Bro... 💀💀💀
2023-05-17 23:17
fucking yeah, obviously? what do u expect? Play good - play worse team qualified,
2023-05-17 22:21
5 replies
english?
2023-05-17 23:06
4 replies
i literally dumbed it down for monkeys like you and u still dont get it
2023-05-18 00:27
3 replies
"Play good - play worse team qualified," xDDDD reminds me of a 2 year old trying to speak
2023-05-18 03:49
2 replies
you really didnt get the "dumbed down" part, did ya?
2023-05-18 21:15
1 reply
sorry you're gonna have to rephrase in english
2023-05-19 00:01
ah yes because valve should just have teams which are famous play in the major. that will totally not kill the pro scene at all
2023-05-18 01:02
5 replies
Omega brain unable to grasp the concept that seeding the teams properly =/= banning tier 2 teams from attending kek
2023-05-18 03:50
4 replies
i can just tell u got dropped as a child by the way you write but the seeding was done properly tho? its not valves fault yoir favourite team is shit and cant win games
2023-05-18 11:55
3 replies
Made a thread 2 days ago about how garbage faze are but im a faze fan lmao flag checks out as usual
2023-05-18 19:32
2 replies
sorry i couldnt care less about your threads
2023-05-18 21:44
1 reply
cope
2023-05-19 00:01
it makes sense in the aspect that the 1st seed should get the privilege of playing the weaker 8th seed but nobody can predict shit like Faze would fuck up so hard that they would play the 2-2- game. Ideally, Faze should be 3-1 at most..maybe the 4th seed or 5th or something. G2 and NaVi should be here but G2 bottles it to Fnatic who get dumpstered by ITB on Vertigo and NaVi couldn't be trusted to close out a T side on the most T sided map in the pool
2023-05-17 08:39
7 replies
Thanks.
2023-05-17 08:40
5 replies
the seeding is fine in concept but luck plays a massive role that's the only pain point here
2023-05-17 08:42
4 replies
#49
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Denmark LeCerveau
Win - eliminate luck.
2023-05-17 09:25
2 replies
nah not quite but I like what ITB Thomas said yesterday if we don't play the CS that we always play we are always going to lose to the top teams because we simple can't replcate tier 1 CS
2023-05-17 09:31
1 reply
#70
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Bahamas Barakudas
No he said need to do something else causw if they do same they are too predictable and those tier 1 teams being having such playstyles for long time so they are better at it
2023-05-17 10:40
#67
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Bahamas Barakudas
Like in any sport esport or game loool
2023-05-17 10:39
I would rather play Faze than GL or ITB lol Their tactics are a menace
2023-05-17 11:01
How is it stupid lol...
2023-05-17 08:42
#47
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Dominica FallczE
It's literally the only fair solution. The best get rewarded by the tournaments's stage worst.
2023-05-17 08:59
its faze's fault but u could argue that its unfair for heroic cz they were the first seed but unlucky anyways vitality will win the whole thing anyways so doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things
2023-05-18 00:29
#14
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El Salvador Bredalow
No its based of bucholz score and 3-0 teams will face lowest bucholz seed 3-2 teams. Highest 3-2 team will face highest 3-1 team and other 3-1 teams face eachother. Has been for many majors now
2023-05-17 08:35
18 replies
Couldn't they throw away the prior matches and results and just match the teams logically?
2023-05-17 08:36
17 replies
#26
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El Salvador Bredalow
No, that would be unfair. Since this is the implemented major format. If they wanted to change it they should have done so b4 the major
2023-05-17 08:37
1 reply
Got it, thanks
2023-05-17 08:37
so you mean, fix matches for the big orgs? lol
2023-05-17 08:37
6 replies
Not "fix", give everyone an equal chance.
2023-05-17 08:38
5 replies
How is giving big orgs easiest opponents just like that for no reason at all equal chance? You can't be serious lmao...
2023-05-17 08:44
4 replies
#74
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Bahamas Barakudas
R u thT dumb? It was their fault for losing before
2023-05-17 10:41
3 replies
Wrong reply...?
2023-05-17 10:43
2 replies
#102
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Bahamas Barakudas
Ye i meant to reply to rationale
2023-05-17 11:20
1 reply
Yea I thought so...:)
2023-05-17 11:25
whomst the fuck is supposed to decide what is "logically"? you?
2023-05-17 08:38
7 replies
BO1's are fluky as hell. That's what I'm saying. Faze totally proved they are not a lower ranked T2 team.
2023-05-17 08:39
6 replies
that still doesnt answer my question. who or what would be to decide the matchups?
2023-05-17 09:13
4 replies
People
2023-05-17 09:42
3 replies
xDDDDDDDDDDDDD I'm speechless
2023-05-17 10:37
#66
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Finland Owava
ok, I decide this current system is fair, and there is probably a lot of people (excluding FaZe fans) who would agree, so... the matchups will be the same :)
2023-05-17 10:39
1 reply
#111
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Romania Iosif
Nope, FaZe fan here, still thinking the current system is fair.
2023-05-17 12:13
Bo1 fluky as hell? Monte destroyed navi in a bo3 and itb destroy fnati on overpass and vertigo If navi won vs Monte, was a higher chance to have faze navi and nip on play off
2023-05-17 10:36
No
2023-05-17 08:35
1 reply
nvm
2023-05-17 08:38
insane to think that monte or gamerlegion can make it all the way to semis, even apeks is in the possibility, xd
2023-05-17 08:32
7 replies
This is pure idiocy.
2023-05-17 08:33
5 replies
#69
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Finland Owava
no, this is CS:GO, this is not "buy-my-way-to-victory"; Win games, get better seeds, simple as that...
2023-05-17 10:40
3 replies
#125
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Iran Iran_No1
Its boring af is what it is. Remember how boring 2018 WC final was? Croatia got the easiest path to finals and then obviously shat the bed. Compare that with the 2022 final. One's a classic, the other was a snoozefest
2023-05-17 23:09
1 reply
#135
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Finland Owava
Football is always snoozefest, so bad argument there :D
2023-05-18 08:02
#130
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Seychelles ibre
+1 They deserved to be where they are now. its not like teams like NAVI or G2 didnt have their chances and didnt get screwed by the so called "fluke" teams.
2023-05-18 01:14
skill issue lol No more rich orgs saving them rn Top 20 HLTV got exposed hard
2023-05-17 11:00
#9
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Ukraine BlimBlomBom
we'll see who will make it to the final
2023-05-17 08:33
#4
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Greenland Eqalussuaq
They decided themselves by losing matches.
2023-05-17 08:32
9 replies
#8
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Saudi Arabia Arthur_Dent
+1
2023-05-17 08:33
But couldn't the organizer easily change matches?
2023-05-17 08:33
7 replies
It would be unsportsmanlike to change something that has already been determined before the event begins.
2023-05-17 08:36
2 replies
Darn :-(
2023-05-17 08:36
#77
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Bahamas Barakudas
Not sure if rationale if he baiting, is 12 years old or a complete brainfart
2023-05-17 10:44
why? the seed is based on results. and its deserved. "best teams" when strugglig hard in every stage since lcq..
2023-05-17 08:37
#68
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Korea xiwon
yeah man would be really lovely for Monte or GL who put in the effort to upset bigger teams just to get fucked over because viewers think it's boring
2023-05-17 10:40
1 reply
#78
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Bahamas Barakudas
I bet these same idiots cried when astralis dominated or was still too young to onow cs xD
2023-05-17 10:45
no, valve decides major format and whole tournament is decided by seeding
2023-05-17 11:21
Lower ranked teams classifiying before favorites
2023-05-17 08:33
#7
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United States KhanQu3st
Seeding based on prior matches.
2023-05-17 08:33
7 replies
This is stupid. I mean I understand it but the net result is underdogs getting a chance of winning the major and then forever be irrelevant just like Cloud 9, Gambit and Outsiders.
2023-05-17 08:37
6 replies
#18
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United States KhanQu3st
Top teams should have performed better in the earlier stages. It's their own fault.
2023-05-17 08:36
Bro ignored outsiders. Gambit actually had a good roster and a great igl. Cloud9 always had pretty gooed individuals and they all popped off with crowd buff
2023-05-17 08:37
3 replies
#79
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Bahamas Barakudas
Ye also daze choked so one again loser can only blane thsnselves
2023-05-17 10:46
2 replies
Yes and the underdogs are actually playing pretty good cs. Winning bo3 against top teams should not happen if those teams are that much better.
2023-05-17 18:06
1 reply
#121
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Bahamas Barakudas
Exactly these kids and manchilds and delusional fanboys have 0 common sense and make any excuses to make their own team look less embarrassing but makes themselves look like clowns
2023-05-17 22:14
Sounds like skill issue for the "top" teams Can't have closed circuit franchise paying TOs save them from good counter strikes lol
2023-05-17 10:59
#12
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Netherlands Dutch69
Yeah ITB vs vitality fml
2023-05-17 08:34
7 replies
Coughing baby Vs hydrogen bomb
2023-05-17 08:36
1 reply
#55
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South Africa Criticle
Poor Vitality. No chance against cruc1al really.
2023-05-17 09:51
#21
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United States KhanQu3st
I mean, realistically they would have likely played 1 of Vitality, FaZe, or Heroic regardless.
2023-05-17 08:36
2 replies
#37
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Netherlands Dutch69
already beat faze once, why not twice
2023-05-17 08:40
1 reply
#38
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United States KhanQu3st
I'm not saying they can't win against them, just that it was likely they would face a "top team" in quarters.
2023-05-17 08:41
I agree, Vitality got no chance
2023-05-17 10:58
1 reply
#112
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Netherlands Dutch69
+1
2023-05-17 12:13
#23
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Malaysia AtPdTrZ
we could have navi , nip and faze in playoff if the match up was better .
2023-05-17 08:36
8 replies
If they won their matches.
2023-05-17 08:37
all navi had to do was win against monte, they're only a tier 2 team after all
2023-05-17 08:41
3 replies
#54
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Malaysia AtPdTrZ
s1mple played bad that game
2023-05-17 09:47
2 replies
your point being?
2023-05-17 10:28
S1mple = shit Navi = shit Shit teams = no champion stage Comprende?
2023-05-17 10:58
#72
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Finland Owava
We could have NaVi, NIP and G2 in the playoffs, if they won 3 matches in the groups... they didn't, get over it... If you want to see free passes for big orgs, go watch every other tournament
2023-05-17 10:41
#80
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Bahamas Barakudas
Navi and nip is trash rn they lose for a reason. Which is good
2023-05-17 10:48
Why would you want three trash teams? One's already hard enough
2023-05-17 10:57
Idk
2023-05-17 08:44
#44
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France Guilsz_
people complaining about match ups I invite you to see how hard "T1 teams" threw games aginst "T2 teams"
2023-05-17 08:45
Some T2 teams are showing up a bit. Some T1 teams are getting shittier. Times are changing. It's a natural course. Also, FaZe fakd it up.
2023-05-17 08:45
1 reply
+1 respect, well said
2023-05-17 10:57
#46
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Dominica FallczE
Once again, people just seem not to understanding seeding and thinks organizers just put whoever they want into the bracket.
2023-05-17 08:58
no underdog will make it to finals
2023-05-17 09:44
Who decided this crap? The shown form
2023-05-17 09:54
faze is worst team in playoffs lol wdym
2023-05-17 10:05
#60
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Germany Booya
You guys should finally stop to watch on the Names and start to watch the Games ... Underdog Teams heavily deserves where they are and the Seeding System is flawless, they won for their Seeding Place.
2023-05-17 10:31
1 reply
Well put! People here don't seem to enjoy the game. They just want to see their idols win. The idea of a competition doesn't make sense to them. The irony though, that this thread was started by a guy calling himself 'rationale'. :)
2023-05-17 10:41
Guys, please respect the effort the smaller teams put to get here. GL had to play a closed qualifier, RMR, Challenger stage, Legend stage. ITB had to play an open qualifier (where you need to top a couple of hundreds of teams), closed qualifier, RMR, Legend stage. Not all the big orgs could survive an open qualifier. They all started from RMRs with top seeds. What happened after that, it's purely the result of what they played on the servers. This is one of the most interesting majors, in my opinion. It's getting boring to get the same teams competing over and over again (and there are a few tournaments where you can see just that if you want). Tier 2 teams finally reaped the rewards of constantly grinding on countless online tournaments. Again, this bracket is just the result of what happened on the servers. Let there be counter-strike! GL & HF!
2023-05-17 10:38
worst major ever
2023-05-17 10:38
3 replies
#73
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France bjjthibz
name and flair check out. 0,62 ...
2023-05-17 10:41
#81
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Bahamas Barakudas
Cry delusional there is more then s1mple
2023-05-17 10:49
S1mple washed
2023-05-17 10:56
#76
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Finland Owava
Honestly, crying about match-ups when it's all according to the tournament results so far, AS IT SHOULD BE, just shows how ignorant big org fans are of the CS:GO scene currently, which is tighter than ever, and that's the reason there are so called T2 teams in the major playoffs. They played better than the teams who are partnered and invited straight to playoffs in every other tournament, and that's because they actually prepared and didn't think it was free easy games :)
2023-05-17 10:43
1 reply
#83
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Bahamas Barakudas
Well said
2023-05-17 10:51
3iq kiddo
2023-05-17 10:50
clearly not one of the best teams faze got through last change qual, made it 0-2 in legends etc. Heroic deservers an easy first matchup. Have you not watched the major.
2023-05-17 10:54
Faze = one of the worse teams this major Heroic = one of the best team this major What issue? Let's not torture Heroic with Demqq at the first round lol
2023-05-17 10:56
well those underdogs played better than the "best" teams, so
2023-05-17 10:55
Daddy can't buy guaranteed play off spot for the rich roster anymore, eh? LMAO
2023-05-17 11:02
The only time gamerlegion has faced a tier 1 team this tournament was against a bad navi and they lost. what a joke lmao
2023-05-17 11:08
2 replies
They beat OG twice (once on RMR and once on the Challengers'), Mouz, Fnatic. Do you guys even watch the competition?
2023-05-17 11:12
#106
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Argentina utu
GL stands for good luck.
2023-05-17 11:33
Keep crying, your beloved partner teams couldn't beat t2 teams kewk
2023-05-17 11:21
Oh no my favourite pay2win team lost(((((
2023-05-17 20:30
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