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People talk about the format, because the "fluke" teams won BO1's against higher ranked teams. But meanwhile Vita lost 0 maps in the whole tournament. While the BO1 map should be more common territory than the ones getting picked in a BO3.
Also GL won heroics pick without winning a pistol, Apeks won liquid's pick, apeks won NIP's pick , BNE won faze's pick, monte won navi's pick. How do you explain that?
So do you really think the BO1's are deciding or is it more a problem that having a bad first day is really deciding?
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Not 100 true tbh. IMO its the preparation gap. t2 teams watch g2, faze,vit vods and know all their tricks while those t1 teams dont really prepare for random teams as much as for other t1 teams. For example thats how 9ine dominated in the rmr, they knew G2 and vit tactics but g2 vit didn't know much about 9ine (of course 9ine players also played very well). In the major Faze clearly did their homework (plus 9ine was just playing really bad aimwise). So teams like ITB GL apeks etc will have harder time playing in next big tournament against T1.
t2 was always the place where good strats came from, it was a feed for t1 teams, but they could never perfect those strats now they did, also 't2' played better team play wise while 't1' collapsed in this field. Like heroic collapsed on inferno after it was like 5-5, you could see the team just didn't work from that point and they lost many more rounds for that reason and lost the final round for that reason as well, instead of waiting cadian tried to be the hero and pushed, and they had so much util to break into the site, like 4 seconds after 2 others arrived with 4 flashes it would be round changing for sure and maybe even game changing.
Vitality was the only team that didn't collapse that played their game, belived in their game and their IGL this is why they win, CS:GO is a game of confidence and if u lose the confidence mid game, it is close to impossible to gain it back. In your head the enemy just knows your every move i bet you also had this moment in MM like u think enemy is just cheating bcuz its impossible they can read your every move.
bo1s in combination with bad 1st day shatter the morale
but t1 also were unprepared, out of form, t2 teams were peaking at this moment. This major is just a combination of many factors. There is no 1 defined reason
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the unfortunate moment is that where can they do it? Monte have epl invite for August, others?? Maybe some will get cologne play-in invites, but the chance is really slim
Well there have been upset runs two majors in a row. I don't think it matters that much if it's the same t2 teams each time. For example G2 did well at some majors and less well in others but we still think of them as a good team
The gap between t1 and t2 nowadays is very small, almost non-existent, many resources that t1 teams have for training t2 teams also have, good aim t2 also has, the only thing that t2 is superior is in blood in the eyes, but what separates are the invites that t1 teams receive
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there is enought players itw that explain it... T1 crumble under preasure cause they ahve everyhting to loose vs tier 2... tier 2 dosen t give a shit and play like the game of their life.
heroic known as onliners with a weak mental are the perfect exemple to loose vs Gl
at this level at a major it s 75 % in the head who win a game
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Apeks kind of got lucky against NiP, since some lucky moments prevented NiP from getting 16 on ancient. You could clearly tell that NiP were better prepared and had better pieces, yet they still choked.
Otherwise the T2 teams were definitely the better teams in their respective matchups. Faze are always the underdogs vs Bne. GL, monte Apeks etc did some good prep for thier matches.
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Kind of, as I said, not all of the teams were underprepared. In some cases they were prepared but the T2 teams had just had amazing preparation. And like in NiP vs Apeks they were lucky. Some teams like Furia, ENCE or G2 seem to have underestimated everyone and just expected a playoffs spot automatically.
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The verigo game was also pretty lucky for them aswell, NiP got the entries and read them almost every round, yet they won alot of 50750s or got lucky and Jkaem survieved with 7hp etc. I think its unfair to call the t1 teams that bombed out lazy since they can and will prep alot, they just didnt since they thought they had it in the bag already.
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not sure i can agree i mean apeks had 254 kills while nip had 233 so it's not like NIP won every round with big numbers and apeks won with close clutches.
But about NIP i think they should be happy with how they did it and move on. They went further than most expect. The lose against fnatic was the tough one, not the loss against apeks imo
the fact that you can lose 2 out of 3 lives of your tournament in a B01 is kinda meh , thats why GSL or kato/cologne groups format is perfect , 2 B03s on different day if you are good you will qualify, you can have a bad day and still make it to playoffs
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B01 just increases variance , what if 2 good teams loses B01 and now playing each other in B03 for elimination
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yes you are right, even if they have to loose 2 or more bo1 for this to happen.
the best team of the major can still win it, even by loosing bo1 so in a way it s sad to see well known teams to exit early but the format is still fair.
it will happen again and again .. young players , new generation of players.. tier 1 many players are getting old
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best team will win it dont get me wrong but to reach top8 at a major your major life shouldnt depend on beating the best team in the world
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this could be a good solution as well , move 1-0 , 0-1 B01 to next day can solve this "Bad day" problem
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Well its only Majors where these tier 2 teams do anything
In properly seeded tournaments with proper formats they do fuck all
Valve's moronic major rules are to blame, although BLAST did their best too by selecting questionable talent signings, presenting a complete turd of a trophy and allowing crowd to cheat.
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You don't see them because they can't qualify
So wait, shouldn't they be able if they were good?
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because "tier1" teams wouldnt either.
hltv.org/events/7141/esl-challenger-kato..
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So they have a chance to qualify but don't.
And you say "they need to get a chance as well.."
What do you mean?
why certain teams didn't gain or lose position accurately on world rankings after the major?
itb lose 1 position, even though they vastly exceeded expectations and made playoffs.
the mongolz keep their position despite bombing out in challengers.
greyhound GAIN 1 position despite bombing out in challengers and getting 16-0'd by apeks
logic?
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The Mongolz won against GamerLegion in Bo1 so that must mean that The Mongolz are better than them, right?
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That's true, it is nice to see some other maps. Mirage still most picked. Anubis least (because quite new and risky territory) and nuke (prob because most "'unbalanced" map, so tought so start on T-side.
hltv.org/stats/maps?event=6793
It may be tough for the top elite to prepare for everything: They probably spend most of available time to prepare for the other top elite teams.
On top of the fact that T2 teams are GRINDING to a degree where normal human beings would prefer dicking ditches 12 hours a day ...
T1 teams don't necessarily "grind" that hard in all sorts of lower level tournaments and other random death matches, and T2 teams may develop interesting and "un-detected" tactics on fairly new maps added to the map pool.
In short: I LUUUUV the Bo1's!
T2 teams get a chance to battle it out against teams they normally don't play, and T1 teams REEEALLY need to stay on top of the "greatest of the latest" of fancy plays and new tactics.
This last Major showed ALL the top elite teams falling short against T2 except Vitality.
It's JUZZ TUFF up there!
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You may or may not have a point there:
Making a living from playing computer-games is of course not the worst thinkable occupation on this planet ... 😁
But it may take TEN HOURS A DAY FOR TEN YEARS to be hired by FaZe, NaVi, Vitality etc.
You juzz don't "stay up there" if you're not delivering the goods: The competition is FIERCE!
According to "Hltv confirmed" with Valde there are +30 MILLION unique cs go accounts ...
You simply can't "rest on your laurels" for very long in this game.
I don't imagine ANY of these top200 players are "relaxing" one moment, just because they receive a nice pay-check.
You have "personal pride" as a factor on top. Dupreeh may be a great example:
THE one player who's won +2 MILLION DOLLARS in prize money through a TEN YEAR career.
He knows of ALL what it means to go through hard times ... it goes up'n'down in showbizz ...
but he's ALWAYS been there, right ??!
Literally ... The only player to have attended ALL CS GO Majors.
Now FIVE Majors ...
In other words: HE has been able to go through Heaven and Hell for TEN YEARS at the very top!
Says A LOT about him as an individual!
+2 MILLION DOLLARS in prize money won and now recently also a father!
These pro's, man ...
It's HARD WORK, day in, day out.
I think it's mostly the pressure tier 1 teams have compared to tier 2 teams and also the fact that mechanically tier 2 players are just as good or even better than most tier 1 players. Combine the no pressure and great mechanical skills against pressured tier 1 players and duels go a lot more into the favour of tier 2 teams thus upsets happen.
We'll once again see when we get to the other tier 1 tournaments, that even though those always have many tier 2 teams that got there from qualifiers (EPL has like 17 non-partnered teams attending), they never do anything special and outside of partner teams we'll again see just 1-2 non partners (probably C9 being one of them) in playoffs and no one else does anything noteworthy.
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