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Faze clan csgo division looses -62k each month by Faze Rain
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rip faze
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who the hell says faze is best?
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Where is the Q?
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oh boi read again that's not the only issue :D
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appreciate the analphabetism support <3
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anyone who donates to a for-profit company is a dumbass
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lmfao become astralis and strongarm the players into a paycut 👍👍
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or they could just force the players to stream FPL a couple hours a day in their contract with the money going to the org and they would bring in a ton of revenue and even more fans and sponsorships. I've always thought it was ridiculous that pros don't stream. a lot of them still play faceit, they're just leaving a lot of money on the table by not streaming. even if they only get 800 viewers, they could make thousands per months in sponsorships and subs with 2-3 hours of streaming a day.
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Honestly I dont think you even have to take that money away from players just having that shitty little banner with all the sponsors showing through a fpl stream would recoup that 62k if you get each player on like 10h a month of streaming. tho I am pulling it outta my ass I dont think players would stream 'for free' (as in they dont get direct revenue from stream even if they make 40k/m+).
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I remember s1mple having like 90k viewers for FPL game lmao
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I feel like pros have the capabilities to farm more viewers if they actually wanted that and worked on that. Ofc they won't get thousands immediately cuz they usually stream like once in half a year if they stream at all. S1mple used to get consistent 30-40k when he was streaming a bit regularly
There is a good chance, but I think you underestimate the value these guys put on competition.
I mean 90% of the reason why s1mple was so toxic was just his will to win and not accepting how shit some of his teammates were. Money and streaming is great, but I dont think these are the guys that value money over competition.
I mean prime example is Get_Right. The dude put 100% in until the end and only started streaming after there was nothing left to do on the server.
Even if csgo esports fell apart I dont think the streaming option will ever disappear (especially for s1mple he has the best streaming clips of all the csgo pros imo).
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Im not saying they should be doing for their sake, i'm saying they should be doing it for the orgs sake since the orgs are losing money. it should be in the orgs contract with the players. or like you're saying, if the players don't really care about money, they'll have no problem taking smaller salaries in the future when the orgs run out of money.
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oh you meant doing it while they were playing mb mb.
the thing is orgs dont put the hours into these players contract and I imagine players refuse to do so (I mean remember when stewie just played a muted stream of mibr practicing to I guess fill stream hours).
I think its should be something for mutual benefit to both parties. Sponsors pay premium rates or being in the streams (or just pay for the extra exposure) and the players understand the importance and value of it, and maybe the org has to give like a 10% kick back to the players from the increased sponsor income.
The issue with player salary is that orgs started to outbid themselves (Prime examples of what Envy did with the french lineup, what I imagine TSM did with the Danes, etc etc) and it never stopped only the increase if VC money burning. I imagine tho sooner or later the salaries will drop unless the new Saudi ESL starts doing some amazing rev share for no apparent reason. Doesnt help that there is no real tournament org competition outside PGL doing Majors and the shitty blast events/major.
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here is the big problem with streaming and csgo:
some dude on the other team who is not streaming will beat you
the way csgo works, you put in work into practice then you gotta chill and not play csgo ( to avoid burnout ) then practice again. the team who puts in more serious work gets rewarded the most in events and has deep major runs
the game has high skill ceiling and the grind needs to be constant, this aint valornt or fortnite
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maybe these gamers wouldn't have "burnout" if they weren't so unhealthy with their diets and worked out for atleast 30 minutes a day. imagine complaining about burnout from playing a video game. try using that excuse with your boss at mcdonalds, cowboy. "hey boss, I'm flipping too many burgers and it's giving me burnout, if you gave me one more day off a week, I could flip more burgers per hour on my days on." lmaooo... fricken communists and their excuses.
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Some people are built different.
That said, the burnout rate is like 5x faster when it's a job. 20k hours or whatever it's only really the hours since he went pro that count towards burnout.
Even then it's not that bad for him yet, everything about being a CS:GO pro is still new and fresh and exciting for him, it might last but it might not. We'll see.
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burnout is all about motivation and mental toughness. if your goal was just to be a pro, you're gonna lose motivation and interest once you reach that goal. if your goal is to be one of the best pros and win tournaments then you'll keep your motivation a lot longer. and just because you lose motivation, doesn't mean you have to stop playing/grinding/improving, that's just a poor work ethic.
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You aren't wrong. Burnout in csgo is a fucking scam. I work 5 days a week 10 hours minimum every day with split days off and guess what? I'm completely fine. The idea that a kid playing a video game gets "burn out" is such a fucking scam that only the current generation of soy filled pussies would complain about.
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no my friend, burnout in esports is serious and proven science
think about it as not just gaming but more as an activity involving lots of attention and focus
even if you try hard for 10 hours a day for n days in a row then on day n+1 you will feel the burnout, its just biology
does not matter if the activity is gaming / anything else
Of course diet and exercise can help prevent burnout, but to compare it to something like a job at McDonalds isn't really fair.
CSGO is a highly competitive sport that requires countless hours of work and dedication to stay relevant. And if you wanna be the best of the best, your life has to revolve around CS. Even a slight decrease in performance will have severe consequences for you and your team.
Now I'm not saying that players shouldn't do any work outside of playing CS to help their org. But It's also not so simple as to just "stream a couple hours a day"
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your life doesn't have to revolve around CS as in playing 12 hours a day 365 days a year. 50 hour work weeks should be more than enough. if it's not enough time, then the players are not using the time efficiently as they could/should be. in a 50 hour work week, there's plenty of time for a pro to stream a 30 minute warmup/dm and a couple faceit pugs before or after scrims/teamwork
i work maintenance at a sawmill and sometimes that 8 hour day is grueling as fuck physically. it's never mentally bad. flipping a burger can never be physically or mentally bad. on the other hand csgo exerts a crazy kind of mental pressure, because you've got to have 100% focus doing small stuff like precision movements. you fail and you lose immediately. no second chances usually. if you do that for a minimum of 40 hours a week it's gonna get tough really quickly.
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Its real even as non pro (id call myself semi pro) when i played csgo too much i would start playing shit and lose interest and skill even tho normally i drop 20-40 bombs a game then id be dropping 5 in whole match at times because in csgo is same like in life u need a healthy balanced diet u get tired from looking into screen for long everyday u need. Workout. Eat good. Stretch. Socialise then u perform on server way better and considtently its true whoever says all u have to do is ply game all day is wrong as ur brain eyes and etc are still busy especially for those who are pssionate and emotional playing and watching cs like me. Ofc its easier phisically then football but mentally it can drain you out dont forget its different playing at highest level then just regular casual mm from time to time.
damn I thought they were losing 'only' 62k a month?
I would have imagined they lose more than a million a year, but I guess there is more money in csgo than I thought. Stickers doing heavy lifting I imagine but yeah cool.
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I mean I dont think FaZe are some amazing business men I imagine most other NA orgs have the same type of Revenue-Cost like FaZe.
I think the most important factor is marketability and sponsors compared to success (unless you become EG lol but you gotta do that on purpose more than anything).
Like G2 taking that scummy csgoroll money probably means they may even be profitable right now in the csgo division.
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after the csgoroll sponsorship I think there is a good chance the CSGO division of g2 may be profitable.
overall I doubt it.
carlos said a while back that they were profitable from the content they do, unsure if that's still true (or ever was) but it seemed reasonable
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valorant losing them 300k a month is wild
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why is blud wearing a hat indoors does he not have heating
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that he can at least afford heating this is a simple requirement for a human being
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i don't understand, if he has heating indoors there should be no need
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maybe his hair is in a bad state and its an easy way to hide it
wait until you hear about this guy called Thoorin
this guy talks way too fast
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Im a huge support of rain, but watching iM on the major. Them that change will be amazing
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FaZe Up
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Clearly spending of almost $600k a month is not sustainable. There has to be a balance. Looks at some T2 orgs - they self-sustain themselves with price money, stickers etc. BNE, Monte etc. Heck even C9 farming big online events.
I understand that most price money goes to players but maybe we should get back to players orgs.
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broky and his gambling issues...
BaDumTssss
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I don’t even understand how they’re spending 100k on them. Surely they’re not on like 15k/m?
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5 players 1 coach 1 assistant coach / analyst 1 manager 1 reserve player (6th man) / support staff (hours with sports psychologist, etc) should be minimum salary, i am sure minimum net salaries is 60k
bootcamp / jersey / travel and other cost its a lot
i always thought atleast 100k a month for running a decent tier 1 team is minimum budget
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are the faze fe team tier 1 like that? do you really need an assistant coach/analyst, sports psych etc when the best course of action would just be the players getting better? Like CS FE scene is basically who has the best individuals?
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the thing is even if your team is not tier 1 amazing you need to build a program that is tier 1 especially if you want to maintain the reputation among other similar programs in the same industry
in this case the industry would be female valorant space
especially if you are faze clan / liquid / c9 type orgs.
you have to pay top dollar to attract mid-top talent and build some reputation you cannot be frugal and pick and choose like a shopping cart and min max your investment
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true, just doesn’t seem worth it at all imo esp with female sports always bringing in way less revenue.
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why is he imitating rain he doesnt even have glasses slick hair norwegian accent and more bad games than good ones
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Their salaries are also less and less support staff I guess. I don't think tier 2 orgs can lose 62k a month lol
faze is insanly overpaid xd. rain and karrigan earn more than for example zywoo or niko. Imagine they pay for the players normal salary(50-60k), easy 200k$ profit.
thats actually insane
actually not that bad when you consider the other games, if the salaries weren't so absurd they could easily profit
if the players loved the game and were driven by passion they will gladly take a paycut
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Or just dont pay at all and watch for free as Im not paying 100 quid for a ppv when half the fights are dog anyway
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Didnt he bring up ppv as a revenue stream for TOs, since they dont make any money either? I havent heard him advocate about paying bums 60k, actually he does quite the opposite.
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ohh now the groupies have arrived. you "cretin" didnt even read what i was talking about. i only brought RL because he called esports enjoyers parasites etc. so ef you, useless dog. your brain is literally your name.
and i swear, if ppv would come, YOU would be the last one to pay, basementdweller
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No worries, they will establish a gamble site Xd
To be fair 62k/ Month isn't really that bad. And the Number probably doesn't include the brand revenue FaZe CS brings in.
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yeah, its much much much better than -300k from valulrant
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for sure.
Look at valorant -$200k a month lmfao, surely they have to disband their team because it leaking money.
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200k? Its 314k from only valulrant kekw. -224k male team and -94k female team. A third of their total losses are from valulrant
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crazy but vlr in its early days, maybe why they are happy to continue
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early days? And its good to be -3mln every year? So next year they magically earn 6 mln$ to be at least on 0. Thats how garbage management works.
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well org is gonna run out of money soon unless they get new investors/takeover
I never heard of a company operating in debt before lol
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I thought the sarcasm was implied
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FaZe players should consider streaming
i really dont understand the amount they paid for csgo team for a month? 5xx k so average salary is 100k per player? insane
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they dont usually on the bootcamp and the renting free really tiny compared to that amount of the costs. if im not wrong there are one psychologyst, one headcoach( and some gameplay analysts) and one manager behind to support the players. i dont think they earn that much
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i just dont seem that the orgs can make money on their csgo teams, Are the player wages to high on the top team?
Who would have guessed that players getting paid 20k+ a month isn't profitable
it's not my money and im not ceo so not my problem, but I don't think paying 20k to 5 persons every month even when they are not winning is good idea.
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Still getting paid a lot for playing veedio game.
I wish I can play computer game for money
they are probably paying olof 10k/month just to play pugs with his friends with faze logo onscreen, good investment guys
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