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Then why are you even on a csgo forum? If you can't spare a few euros on an s tier tournament with shiny lights and top tier casting then that just means you don't really care about pro cs in the first place which means you don't know how better to spend your time.
idk it's just weird people are dedicated enough to check hltv forums every day but immediately laugh at the idea of paying for something that should never have been free.
I think RL said it best, if nobody is willing to pay for this type of entertainment then maybe esports is a shitty product after all
I agree, I think that it is a little sad the the community is so hostile to it yet there is an expectation to get premium production & talent for free. TO's and organizations make content with players and it barely gets any views.
The best solution is some sort of a cooperation between valve and these TO's, like releasing an esports case / sticker capsule, where x% would go to said TO would help tremendously.
Maybe a drop system where you PPV for a low fee but you can win skins while watching the game, or other different prizes, like a mpad or a keyboard.
TO music kit would also be nice.
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I pay for HLTV Premium though
Not my problem
free healthcare and free cs:go tournament streaming
Ticket sales, adds, sponsorship.
Not to talk about the billions valve earns on valve events
wtf u on about... they earn enough, if any event isn't they are doing it wrong
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1.Ticket Sales
Doesn't even make back the money spent on running the tournament in an arena, are often sold at a loss to get people in the door and fill an arena.
2. Ads
People gravely overestimate how much money gets made from sponsorship deals, not to mention half the ads that companies get are ridiculed because they're gambling/alcohol/the US Airforce.
3.
Valve has fuck all to do with the esports scene, what Valve makes from CS does not trickle down to the players or organizations, the only thing that comes from them is sticker money, and the piss poor prize pool of a major.
There is no money in esports for the orgs or the TOs, which is why teams are failing and TOs need to resort to Saudi Arabian blood money.
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i dont car about csgo
im just here for the intellectual debates
And why do i even have to pay for it? It's the same as paying for some YouTuber video or for UCL. 0 sense to pay for watching video game.
If PPV enters eSports - i would rather to waste my money on music, alcohol, or whores than on watching this game (if i can literally play this game for free LMAO).
why would I pay? Maybe orgs should pay less to their players and build their economy so they don't need to be bankrupt or sold?
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+1
you can see whats happening with Faze:
hltv.org/forums/threads/2779853/faze-62k..
if the players earn too much money, the markets will correct themselves naturally. this means they will earn less as teams like Faze will fall over.
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i stil need to look at heroics annual reports but i agree for sure.
also, the csgo scene is dominated by betting orgs and well, throwing games is so easy to earn fast money, its just a rotten esports atm.
the bad name this game is getting holds back serious orgs for sure, and thats just sad.
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yeah like cct is made for betting games. I can't explain why 9ine would lose to sharks on their best map today after 10:5 t side.
Other thing is it would be fine for them to earn 20k$ if they would actually win something. Atleast 1 tournament every month would be fine.
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valve would shoot in their feet if they would have banned woro, radarqq for cheating or teams fixing matches. They prefer to leave them than banning because all sponsors would have go.
Yeah it's kinda funny how everyone thinks it's a terrible idea and esports will lose all it's viewers and it would overall be bad thing to do, while all other big sports (like Football, NHL, NBA, F1, Golf etc.) already have in a way PPV system in place (you have to pay somewhere to watch them). Other sports just do it in a way that it's included in the subscription of some network like ESPN, Viaplay, Sky Sports etc. that show some other additional content (like other sports) as well. I think it's just natural to think of that possibility now that esports has gotten a lot bigger since it works for other big sports too.
However I do think it wouldn't work as well as other sports because esport fans in general use less money for that esport and also it's mostly gamers who are better with computers and thus way more likely to pirate the content somewhere else. It could still be more profitable for the TO's and the industry to have some PPV, but it would probably have to be cheaper than in normal sports. With the amount of orgs going bankrupt it's obvious the scene isn't healthy, it shouldn't be that a team like Heroic that is just part of few games (CSGO, Simracing & R6) and a partner to both Blast & ESL is struggling with money while they have also had top 5 best team in the world for over a year now.
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only reason i'm watching football nhl nba and f1 is because I can easily get free pirated content from it
if cs goes ppv it better bring a lot more to the table than what TOs already do.
I want to see hitchless 4k streams with literally 0 audio issues whatsoever. I want to be able to switch to any player view in real time and replays.
I want no ads. NO ADS. Not even a small logo on the side. No sponsors on jerseys. NOTHING.
Bring me value, and I'll give you money.
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f1 in france through canal+ does the pick driver view
iihf hockey does no sponsor on jersey.
nhl tv shows no ads during intermission
4k stream is base minimum if i'm going to pay literally any amount of money. If you don't provide that, no sale
also if i'm paying, then I don't want to see ads. This is a deal breaker. You make money from my subscription, you don't need ads. If you ask me to pay and then put on ad money, then you're just greedy and I don't care, i'll pirate. If you accept ads on ppv you're a low level simp who deserves to get your money stolen.
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idk man, you're talking about being greedy in an industry where everybody involved loses money, and your demands are just completely unjustified to the scale of our industry.
It's also pretty unfair to compare a world championship with national teams to a commercialized system with teams competing who need sponsors on their jerseys to survive.
Sounds to me less that it is about being greedy and more about you being entitled
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you: the trillion dollar sports don't have what you're demanding
me: they do, here see
you: npc.jpg
>more about you being entitled
Of course i'm entitled. We're discussing an hypothetical ppv csgo thing. Which means i'm giving someone money to show me a thing. I henceforth set a bunch of things I shall consider before accepting this exchange. This is literally how paying for things work.
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You just cherry picked examples here and there, f1, football, and basically all commercialized leagues have sponsors on jerseys.
They also have ads both besides the pitch/race track and in break pauses, sometimes even as transitions between camera angles or sponsoring specific desk segments.
Again, you are demanding things that trillion dollar industries don't even offer. But what can I expect from a kid that uses NPC as an insult, yikes
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>They also have ads both besides the pitch/race track and in break pauses, sometimes even as transitions between camera angles or sponsoring specific desk segments.
And therefore, I don't pay for it.
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its amazing how much of an idiot you are
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Having standards is being an idiot I guess.
Enjoy being a cash cow for rich businesses lmao
I bet you pay for onlyfans and twitter blue.
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Like everyone is trying to tell you, these standards are completely unrealistic, particularly the 'no sponsors on jerseys'. If you applied the same set of standards to 99% of other sports, which by the way are profitable unlike cs, you wouldn't watch a damn thing. You cherry picked features within other sports that adhere to specific standards that you set, but couldn't provide one that adheres to the whole set of expectations you have on a ppv csgo system.
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cope
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144p clears
Why do you care so much about sponsors showing in broadcast? I get not wanting ad breaks, that's pretty obvious, but I don't get what seeing ads on jerseys or in the venue or wherever in the broadcast is a bad thing?
Sure you might be one of those who will pirate the content like you do with other sports, but the question is if there would be enough people paying for the PPV for it to bring more money to the industry than what having more viewers and ads does.
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If I have to pay money for content I don't want to see ads. Any ads. No exception.
This is for example why I'm not paying for youtube premium. I would, if it would take out all the ads. And it did for a while, it removed all the ads. Then youtubers started putting up raid shadowlegends, nordvpn, etc., sponsored content directly in the video and that took out the only reason I spent any money on youtube premium. So now instead of paying, I adblock + sponsorblock. I don't participate in wanton greed.
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Honestly sounds pretty entitled like Germen said. So basically if CS would go PPV you want the money from PPV to be the only source of income for the TO's and orgs, because you don't want there to be any visible sponsors?
I just don't get why does it hurt you so much to see for example ads on player jerseys? Are you so easily influenced that you always buy everything you see an ad of or what lol
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you say entitled, I say yes, of course it's entitlement lmao. that's how monetary transactions for goods and service work. I give you money for stuff and i'm entitled to the stuff. If the stuff you offer me does not interest me, I will not give you money for it. Do you spend money on things you don't want?
It doesn't hurt me to see ads, I just don't want to see any if I pay money. If you have a free, ad/sponsor supported business model, and you decide to start taking money in ppv format but keep ads and sponsors, you're not going for a different model, you're just extracting more money for the same service, and I am not interested in participating in that scheme.
If you want me to directly fund you, then I set the rules. And the rule I set is absolutely no ads whatsoever. Then and only then I'll consider paying.
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True, esports is not as big as those sports, but neither are the costs. Most (or at least very many) players in NBA and football earn more in a month than CSGO players earn in a year. The question is how big must esports be for it go for PPV which will obviously lessen the amount of new fans when the content is harder to get to, but does it already have enough fans for the PPV to cover costs?
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im fine with all the gambling or whatever sponsors if it can maintain events being free. you can't have it both ways and im fine with that
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nah screw that if ppv happens ill just watch the demos instead.
thats correct i dont care about csgo pros
Bruh. You do realise that not everyone has money they can spend on stuff like watching a csgo tournament? "A few dollars" can be a lot to someone
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better just get a job if u can't afford a few dollars
you got the wrong priorities if u can't afford a few dollars and spend hours watching cs events
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Lmao braindead take. I work full time, and would pay for it myself, but at least I can see the viewpoint of people that don't have jobs, and/or are too young to get a job
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You're the one with the braindead takes. The fuck do you think we should do about this business model other than monetize from the viewership it garners anyway?
The vast majority of people can afford to pay 5 bucks for a subscription to watch shit like spotify, youtube premium, twitch subs, etc. Also you can get a job at like 9. Just do chores and shit at home, get money from your parents. Keeping the ball rolling is waaaay more important than allowing free access to a non-essential resource like fucking esports LMFAO!
If you don't have a job, then learn a skill and get one. Don't waste your time scrounging benefits. You have priorities in life. Why the fuck should we keep this unsustainabe business model. You will still be able to see highlights, demos and results for free anyway no matter if it goes ppv or subscription based.
inb4 Dannyboy strawmans some problem only .01% of the average csgo fan has with financial issues.
+1 look at all the hypocrite freeloaders above me performing mental gymnastics
EDIT: freeloader mental gymnastic under me as well
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it's not freeloading if you're bombarded with ads that pay for the content you're watching.
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do you lose any money?
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irrelevant to the context
A freeloader provides nothing of value. I provide a set of eyeballs for them to bombard with ads at every opportunity.
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cope
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idk where that "cope" comes from because there is nothing to cope about?
you seem exceptionally mad that people don't pay to watch csgo though, maybe you're then one that has to do a little coping of your own.
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you're the narc assuming that your set of eyeballs is worth anything moron
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advertisers certainly pay a lot of money to try and make me watch their ads tho.
imagine being this fucking mad about people not paying to view free stuff lmao ain't no way someone be this passionate about this unless they pay for only fans and twitter blue
almost all s tier tournaments apart from majors are bad now anyway. people actually want to pay to watch the same 8 partner teams play the same strats against eachother over and over again?
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nah I don't watch partner tournaments, life has never been better
Because if I pay they will still do other types of monetisation (ads, etc.) and just make even more money.
Point of paying plz explain?
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I don't agree with ppv not because I myself wouldnt spare 5 bucks to watch the tournaments, but because a large portion of the audience woudln't.
In here and other related forums we are in a very commited community to the game, and we watch it frequently like a lot of people would watch football or basketball, but the reality is that a lot of the audience watches it casually and wouldnt really bother to pay the 5 bucks for most tournaments if any.
Also considering esports is still an underground thing more or less, we would be handicaping it's growth by putting behind a paywall.
Edit: Also, considering the numbers would probably drop significantly and that the sponsorships whoa re the main source of revenue come because of those numbers, long term I think it would just kill the sport as anything but a small niche
I'd pay but only for about 4 events max.
Major, IEM Katowice, ESL One Cologne and BLAST world finals.
Probably The major wouldn't be PPV tho, as Valve won't allow that, but it's the only event orgs get money from, so not really necessary.
But.. if PPV would of happen I fear I wouldnt be the only 1 paying for such and only these events.. this could be turning into a CSGO "pro circuit".. small orgs And T.Os and smaller events? What would be of them?
Just make it voluntary contribution like cam whores, a few pays and 95% of wankers watches with them.
what is this thread about
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There's more than one way to pay for a service buddy
I pay with my time. That is more worth than any money
I have no idea what you're talking about or what do you want..
yes I have too much money please take some from me
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couldn't you say that about pretty much all other sports, particularly partnership leagues like the NBA and f1? In fact, CSGO probably has the most opportunity for foreign competition thanks to regional qualifiers. You lot are never satisfied; when 't2' teams face off against 't1' opposition, no one is interested, and then you call it repetitive and uninteresting when the same teams face each other. Also, the product isn't the same shit every week if there is uncertainty involved in the results. I don't see people complaining that the NBA has had the same 30 teams for the last 15 years.
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I don't look at other sports. I follow tennis majors and look at highlights and this is perfectly fine by me. Would do the same to CS if they would start with ppv. In CS, I enjoy majors the most because it is the most open format with no partnership bullshit. They should do all group stages BO3. Give them an extra week of group stage time if they need it. Not all games have to be streamed.
I would only pay to watch SANJI in a major final
lol majority ain't gonna pay shit to watch. the result is TOs gonna lose so much viewers/audience and then advertisers gonna bail out because of the low audience the games/streams reach. you think that loss is gonna get covered by paid viewers?
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Because it's free mf
I'm not paying for shit lol
Esports is extremely difficult to monetise because the average viewer is quite tight with money. Typical esports viewer is university/college aged male, probably without a job. Most mainstream sports are subscription based to watch (sky sports for PL, F1 etc.. cost around £25 per month). Tickets for games are quite spenny, so is merch (football shirts) food and beverages at the games.
I would not pay to watch esports even though I can afford it. It's a nice thing to watch in the evening when I'm too tired to do anything else, but if I had to pay for it, I can just watch literally anything else that's free. CS isn't important enough for me to spend 10EUR/week on.
Is that relevant to HLTV?
I can't cuz i don't have euros EZ
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