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Pros are paid too much?
FalleN | 
Brazil fallenbiggestfan 
Back in 2020 es3tag was being paid 45k on C9 "the Colossus" and he was a average player, i cant imagine how much s1mple, Niko and Zywoo makes per month, must be close to 100k.
2023-05-25 21:10
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#1
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Wales Hi_Im_New
Still 50k and yes they're paid too much
2023-05-25 21:10
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+1 its because of this they have the lazy attitude.. 99% of all PROS.🙄🙄 theyre not motivated to win tournaments, like heck, why even bother.. u win a major, u win 500k.. u get pretty much the same by "working" a few months without winning that event, same money in the pocket...... u guys might be too young for this but ive known the times where heaton and mousesports were lil kids and they earned about 1000 to 1200 euros per month, which was SHITLOADS of money for just playin a video game back then and they were mainly happy cuz they received components and pc's from sponsors... back then it costed maybe 400-600eu to rent a place NOW, these ppl earn x50, but their costs didnt go up x50, so the ratio is SO messed up and by who?? yes, guess again, the ppl that watch and feed csgo, YOU guys.. and to add up, u guys make insane bets, which feeds gambling industry which also sponsor these orgs.. now u get the picture? :) look navi, sponsored by betting, faze, vita,....... ALL of them :)
2023-05-26 09:07
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#92
NiKo | 
Portugal Jozuh
are they wrong?! Have you seen like the prize pool of dota events compared to CS:GO? I know that tournment organisations maybe dont have enough to get a prize pool of 5M per tournment for example, but if you look at CS:GO prize pool, in majors for example: between 2013-2015 the prize pool was 250k. After that there was a big jump and the prize pool gets to 1M, but almost never change after that.
2023-05-26 09:52
4 replies
Why are u talking about prizepools? This topic is about pro’s wages bro….
2023-05-26 10:00
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#104
NiKo | 
Portugal Jozuh
So are they wrong for gaining 50k per month and not care to win the tournment?!. It has two solutions. They just receive their salaries and maybe prize money if orgs want to reward them. Or get higher Prize pools. If you receive prize by just being in the tournment it gives you no motivation, when your salary is already very high. Why do t2 teams look way more motivated in majors then t1. t1 play only for the trophy, t2 play to reach further possible, prize money for t2 players are more enticing than for t1 players because it almost no difference unless it is the win.
2023-05-26 10:48
You have a very shallow take on the issue compared to #81. The prizepools play in the attractivity of the game, but clearly they are still getting 50k/month so the game is attractive. It is not what defines the economy of CS:GO, it is a very minor topic. The most important is the way the orgs earn money through sponsorship of mostly hardware companies and betting websites. And the fans who consume that kind of crap. The orgs aren't profitable. They are not trying hard in the game itself since it is not really what define their revenues. They are just showcases for advertised products. It is better for them to have popular streamers who bring nothing to CS:GO than actual good players. It is basically an economic bubble who might burst at some point and hurt the eSport overall.
2023-05-26 10:11
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#103
NiKo | 
Portugal Jozuh
The thing is that almost all of the prize pool money is for the players and not the orgs, so the tournments itself, as you said, are not profitable in any way for orgs, so they have to look for sponsors of any field, to be profitable. For example prize money in Football is for the team(club) not the players, maybe than further the plyers/staff gets rewarded but still profitable for the club. I think thats wrong in CS, i dont know in other e-sports but maybe its the same, players are paid to represent the organisation, so the oraganization should have the prize money and if they want to reward their players they give them a prize money. You can see that many organizations are close to bankrupt, or they close operations, because its very hard to maintain a e-sports organization without the money from sponsors.
2023-05-26 10:36
c9 in 2020 is literally chelsea right now :D buying mid players for high af prices. Even the policy of ''me see player, me see he play good recently, me overpay, me surprised when the player is bad''
2023-05-25 21:11
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#51
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Egypt BomberMan_
the only bad purchase was woxic. es3tag was overpaid but when the guy had to switch roles like 3 times in the whole lifetime of that roster and was never truly bad so I think he was good. tbf to C9 they really did try to buy big names but failed(most notably were NiKo and hunter). woxic should have been the home run but he decided to ruin his career. The issue was the team just faltered under pressure constantly. Could have made it deep in a couple tournaments but either woxic decided to throw or at the finish line they consistently failed. Team was honestly not that bad and if they had more than 3 months (-1 month for woxic being shit) they could have become a decent top15 team and even more if henryg could find a awper who didnt want to tank their career
2023-05-26 01:44
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#106
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Wales Hi_Im_New
+1 that project ran into so much trouble but still was on an upwards trajectory towards the end, iirc they beat Navi at EPL and would've made playoffs had they not choked against a brazilian team, EPL being their last event before they got disbanded
2023-05-26 13:11
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#137
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Malta vibg0r
yeah would have been interesting to see them on lan they could have been a top 10 team
2023-05-27 06:19
+1 es3tag is underrated player. Even in nip he played everything and even awp when it was needed and he did decent. Just give him a proper role that sticks for more than 2 weeks and he's a great player. Such a waste by nip having him on bench and not active.
2023-05-26 16:00
+100 k with sponsors
2023-05-25 21:11
#4
Staehr | 
France Ansi
its also the answer to the ppv discussion: in the end theyre gamers, they shouldnt make that much for playing a game.
2023-05-25 21:12
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#11
cadiaN | 
Finland dvlx
you do realize not anyone can be a pro even in video games?
2023-05-25 21:32
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#19
Staehr | 
France Ansi
the best justification of one's talents is in revenues and for most orgs that are operating on loss (f.e. Faze), there is no ground for their wages
2023-05-25 21:37
Not enough evidence to support that yet in this game. Well if we are talking about average person at least. It just takes fuckton of work on most people are not willing or interested to do that. Or do you have specific qualities in mind that pro-player has to have to become pro in csgo?
2023-05-26 02:04
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#95
cadiaN | 
Finland dvlx
that's exactly what I meant there a very few people who can dedicate a greater part of their lives to just to a single video games
2023-05-26 10:01
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Okay yes, that is fair. Most start from their mothers basement, well some room at least. Same is true with most sports though. Without parents support (also financial), most can't really reach levels where they can live of their achievements. Many older sports have organisations that try to distribute money to junior work trying to make it possible to reach pro for anyone willing to put the work. Most often its still not enough.
2023-05-26 22:14
and footballers shouldnt be payed that much for just kicking a ball ? Such a stupid arguement, no matter what they're doing, not many can do it and it takes sacrifices + 1000s of hours of your life etc etc
2023-05-25 21:33
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#20
Staehr | 
France Ansi
#19 think of an org as a company. they shouldnt be allowed to operate on a loss, or else we get similar situations as with Barcelona* and it just doesnt help the game. i really dont care if you think ropz is worth 700k per year, if he doesnt bring in the revenue, he's not worth.
2023-05-25 21:39
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ofc if you're operating on a loss then its not really fungible, but then you have 3 options, cut wages, cut personel, or find a way to get more funding for the sector. It's also based on the fact is what you're doing bringing eyes ? When it comes to CSGO if you're outright the only one overpaying your players for a small viewerbase / revenue game then it makes no sense, but in a market like CSGO easily a top esport that player will find a home one way or another with a hefty wage, which makes it justifiable
2023-05-25 21:46
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#33
Staehr | 
France Ansi
there was a thread yesterday about Faze's branches (different games) and practically all of them operated on a loss. i believe Faze as a whole is losing around 650k per month. ofc you can think that getting more sponsors will fix problems, but at some point, there is either no room on the shirts or there are no eligible sponsors. Faze has hit that ceiling now. also, i dont want to dish any players efforts in reaching the pinnacle of this game, but you cant just say "he is worth x" when the team doesnt generate the income. thats part of the business plan or strategy, and if it doesnt work out, you shouldnt be looking at the viewers. at least, i dont think CSGO is worth ppv to justify monetization for a teams non performance. thats just my opinion ofc.
2023-05-25 21:53
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I mean it does seem to be so faze hitting a bit of a roadblock, but if they do these stupid signings like as of current then clearly some funds are there to expend ig, hard to say what the correct move is for them. But for players sure you can't say his value is what not, but when there's an esport standard in whatever game that may be and you as a top org underwhelm that standard, then I simply don't see why you as a player should oblige to simply staying in that team, assuming there are external options and you have the choice.
2023-05-25 21:59
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#38
Staehr | 
France Ansi
its also kind of a csgo thing. i mentioned it in another thread as well, we've seen plenty of match fixxing and cheating, i reckon its no wonder no big sponsors want to run that risk. i heard some rumors that there were already cheaters spotted in CS2 beta, and tbh if Valve doesnt step up big there, this will hold back sponsors even more. we might not like it but the truth is, csgo esports isnt exactly a clean esports. it certainly doesnt help when things like the bitcoin crash happen. sometimes its just time for the markets to reset, simply cuz expectations exceed reality too much. also, lets not forget, the prize money of events hasnt exactly increased on a similar level as the player wages in the past 10 years. and IMO this is not something you should compensate from viewers like you and me.
2023-05-25 22:18
They are not allowed to operate on a loss really, the ones that do have investor backing who will only allow it as long as they believe in esports ballooning into the new football. And this is why orgs shut down left and right atm. Someone's absolutely paying for it. Faze is also funnily enough turning a profit if we are to believe that video that was linked here on hltv a couple days ago.
2023-05-25 21:49
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#36
Staehr | 
France Ansi
oh i just said in #33 that there was a vid with a monthly loss of 650k over the whole Faze org. i really love the effort these orgs and players put in, but if it doesnt generate enough, you NEED to cut off.
2023-05-25 21:55
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#79
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Dominica FallczE
over the whole Faze org rosters*. Not the general sponsors earnings, merch&stuff + collabs. They are probably in red, but not that much people think from that vid. It was said those are esports numbers, and people took it as "Hey, Faze is losin 800k every month, how they are still operating"
2023-05-26 08:53
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#90
Staehr | 
France Ansi
yeah ofc i used Faze as example since we know a bit more about their results and also ropz' tax statement.
2023-05-26 09:28
so whats ur argument then about the amateur ppl that play soccer or csgo and have 10k hours, but are still silvers in both soccer and csgo.. they should be hired by orgs too then? and paid shitloads of money? ...based on only the amount of hours makes no sense in ur argument man
2023-05-26 09:00
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#91
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Dominica FallczE
I don't understand what you are trying to say, he said "Not many can do it" they put 1000s of hours into it so they are good & are able to represent some1 who has sponsors to show & make money. What you said, are the people who put 1000s of hours for fun or even with the 1000s of hours they didn't make it. a.k.a you proved his point.
2023-05-26 09:33
That shows how difficult it is. If there are people who put in 10000 hours into cs and didnt even make it semi pro, then it just shows not everyone can make it, need I say more?
2023-05-26 15:48
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Ye i get it bro i misread it. All good <33
2023-05-27 17:41
L take
2023-05-25 21:33
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#21
Staehr | 
France Ansi
cant argue with someone that doesnt even present arguments. get lost kiddo.
2023-05-25 21:39
#50
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Asia ambasing
you want them to stop getting paid that much? stop watching their games athletes and entertainers including esports players are paid because of the ad revenue they generated classic frenchie... always complain
2023-05-26 01:40
4 replies
hes just misinformed and his brain hasnt developed properly
2023-05-26 01:54
#60
Staehr | 
France Ansi
the moment you try to change the subject towards me is the moment you lost this discussion. most likely you didnt read previous comments and you dont have any arguments. clearly you are not able to talk with grownups so pls get lost kiddo.
2023-05-26 06:17
+1 #81 ppl watch AND complain :D u guys make these fuckers rich... plus the gamblin industry tho, which is also... u never gonna guess it, sponsored by kids and mad bettors...... and the circle is closed
2023-05-26 09:01
It's interesting to see a person talk so confidently without being right You think ad revenue is covering pro wages? Maybe for some of the big players like S1mple he privately makes decent money from Donations/Ad revenue but that's not in his wage. Almost all e-sports money is from venture capital and sponsorships.
2023-05-27 02:53
I'm sure you know the players' worth more than their orgs
2023-05-26 07:05
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#68
Staehr | 
France Ansi
its not about value, its about operating costs vs revenues. in the end its business, if you cant sustain, youre out.
2023-05-26 07:12
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I'm sure you know about the orgs expenses and revenue more than the orgs
2023-05-26 08:30
Value is relative compared to cap. The best player will be payed the most but messi is being paid 100 mil per year and simple 1 million.
2023-05-27 00:05
I love how many people are triggered by what you said, because it's worth keeping in mind they probably think one day they'll be a pro and want to make the same money lol. It's undisputable that pro players are paid way more than they're worth.
2023-05-26 08:56
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#89
Staehr | 
France Ansi
its a good topic to discuss in a thread tho, but you can expect certain comments from the kids section of HLTV users LMAO
2023-05-26 09:26
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yeah exactly, their world view and understanding of economy is narrow minded. I understand because when I was young I would dream of making big money too, doing my dream job and it would be sad to see people trying to change that so people don't make the money you want to make. Reality works differently than that though, the wages can't possibly be sustainable.
2023-05-26 13:28
Well, your first comment made it seem like you were hating on these players that get a lot of money for “just” playing a game… If your comment was like #19 or #20 you wouldn’t have gotten these responses
2023-05-27 11:58
#5
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Brazil sprk1
way too much
2023-05-25 21:12
#6
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Costa Rica YeAreGods
They should earn more
2023-05-25 21:14
#7
CYPHER | 
Sweden 7emod
It is absurd that you can make that money
2023-05-25 21:21
i love when support role players are scapegoated and called mid :D
2023-05-25 21:22
#9
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Lebanon Dogman69
yes, but salary has stagnated last 2.3 years
2023-05-25 21:27
#10
cadiaN | 
Finland dvlx
they are paid adequately t1 cs is no joke they have to work crazy hours
2023-05-25 21:31
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#12
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Spain Litva2k
at least it's an enjoyable job or i hope so
2023-05-25 21:33
5 replies
nah playing a game for 12 hours in a structured manner is not fun dude come on. I mean you can see how different players play when playing pugs vs playing officials you play CS for the balls to the wall fuck the opponent's mindset. You don't get to do that in professional CS
2023-05-26 06:45
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#88
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Belgium ouwedouwe
most pros enjoy playing lol, thats why they keep playing after they retired
2023-05-26 09:13
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They retire from competition Not the game Ofc they love the game when they can play their own style without worrying about economy or stats or saving with the pressure of winning a tournament
2023-05-26 10:19
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#112
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Belgium ouwedouwe
many former tier 1 pros still play in tier 2 and 3 teams even though they have more than enough money because they love competing
2023-05-26 18:45
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How many pros could you say this is true for? Most of those pros you are probably thinking of played in the early days of pro counter-strike where the amount of money was very limited. Some of them dont even have any education, this is their only form of income. Sure 100-500k might look like a lot now but if it's supposed to cover the next 5+ years maybe not. When a player like KennyS played in Falcons it was probably not just because he hungered for competition but because it's his brand, he has to keep himself relevant.
2023-05-27 03:01
#17
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Wales Hi_Im_New
They are paid more money than they generate so no they aren't paid adequately
2023-05-25 21:36
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#39
cadiaN | 
Finland dvlx
they generate billions of dollars just not for their org rather for valve do you really think cs would anywhere near this popular if not for pro scene
2023-05-25 22:25
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#42
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Wales Hi_Im_New
Valve doesn't pay them though, the orgs do. And they do not generate enough money for their employer to justify that salary
2023-05-25 22:29
Amount of hours has nothing to do with it, plenty of people with dead end jobs working 70h+ a week just to feed their family, I guarantee you they're working harder than any CS pro
2023-05-25 22:28
yea booting up csgo such a hard task
2023-05-26 08:52
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#93
cadiaN | 
Finland dvlx
yeah, why aren't you a pro dumbass?
2023-05-26 09:58
1 reply
no need
2023-05-26 10:15
If anyone is paid to much, it's football players. No one should even be compared here
2023-05-25 21:33
1 reply
Apperently football clubs are generating profit.
2023-05-27 00:06
everyone in entertainment is getting paid too much but theya rent. we are paying them
2023-05-25 21:33
Depends. If orgs can just afford it, it's not a problem. If they are winning tournaments often, no problem. Problems shows up when org must be sold or bankrupt. On the other hand, this "job" is really enjoyable, I bet if somebody come to you and say that he will pay you 1.5k euro but you have to play your fav game for 10h everybody would say yes.
2023-05-25 21:36
#22
KEi | 
Poland ad3m93
minimum 5k$ max 10k$
2023-05-25 21:40
1 reply
bruh tier 2 players get paid more than what you're suggesting
2023-05-26 06:45
NA known to pay cs players well but HenryG was big failure with his vision and project. Only good thing to come from it was mezii, best NA players dipped to valorant
2023-05-25 21:42
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#25
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United States KhanQu3st
Xeppaa was better than Mezii, but he left us, sadness
2023-05-25 21:43
6 replies
yeah, he did well in vlr at start with ex-chaos dude (forgot his name). Not followed them since, I wonder how they doing? would be insane if these guys came back for cs2
2023-05-25 21:47
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#34
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United States KhanQu3st
Leaf (the ex-Chaos dude) is probably the best NA player this season, and Xeppaa is the 2nd best player on C9. They were the top seed in the Americas League, but I believe they lost to EG in the 2nd round of playoffs, they are in the lower bracket rn I think.
2023-05-25 21:54
4 replies
yeah leaf but another guy was igl
2023-05-25 21:54
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#46
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Switzerland Imodeode
Vanity? Steel? I don't really follow Valorant but maybe one of them?
2023-05-25 22:41
2 replies
vanity! thats the one!
2023-05-25 23:08
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#49
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United States KhanQu3st
He’s not on C9 anymore, they cut him just before the season started to save money unfortunately
2023-05-26 00:48
#24
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United States KhanQu3st
I hope they make as much as possible. What do I care?
2023-05-25 21:43
i love when 1-3lvl faceit compere support players to zywoo or s1mple, they are noone without "mid players".
2023-05-25 21:44
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but yeah, give salary by raiting or opinion on hltv. so Hooxi or dexter will earn 100euro per year.
2023-05-25 21:49
only 30-40 pros get paid quite a lot of money, the rest of the teams e.g. from hltv with top 40-100 get maybe slightly more money than the national average
2023-05-25 21:48
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not really, maybe in small organizations like sangal or sinners yes, but on the other hand you have 1win or aurora that are managed by companies/millionaires and probably earn similar money as e.g. gamerlegion or og
2023-05-25 21:53
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it has to be the other way around no? from what I know russian/CIS orgs usually pay much less and orgs like Sangal & SINNERS pay quite decently
2023-05-25 22:39
salaries in 1win is about 5k$, ofc they probably get some other sources of income ,322 or media things. Good money but not comparable to top tier1 players
2023-05-26 02:07
Do I detect a hint of jealousy mr. fallenzera?
2023-05-25 22:29
#43
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Hungary szia
but that is a big org like c9 didnt degster or yekindar or someone say that team spirit players were paid 3k/month?
2023-05-25 22:33
Yes far too much. Exception for players with big marketing value as niko and s1mple or even a KennyS
2023-05-25 22:37
esetag was just overpriced
2023-05-25 23:16
#52
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Egypt BomberMan_
The orgs are paying too much for players they put themselves in this position and give players a lot of power with them having very minimal sponsor obligations as well.
2023-05-26 01:45
Honestly they should pay to be pro, instead of getting paid
2023-05-26 01:54
Let's be honest you and me would love to get paid that much but reality is those salaries aren't sustainable and will be bad for esports in the coming decades.
2023-05-26 01:59
You can never make more money than what you are worth to be paid. Why would any employer, investor, sponsor etc pay you MORE than they think youre worth?
2023-05-26 02:03
Way too much. Anything more than 20k/month is insane
2023-05-26 02:09
Yeah nothing is going to go wrong giving young gamers (not professional athletes) with no life experience that kind of money /s, it says a lot about the quality of people within the scene and orgs who thought this would be a good idea. If I was FaZe G2 and a few other teams I would be demanding a shit load more out of their players, they are losing to teams that are probably paid 10 times less than them, fuck some players probably get paid more than an entire roster, it's actually embarrassing. Remember in eSports the players aren't professionals nor are the people at the orgs, it's a giant pool of non professional idiots.
2023-05-26 06:31
Their salaries should be at the higher end, like traditional sportspeople. They are pursuing a volatile career that you'd be lucky to still be competing in past the age of 30, dumping hours of their lives into the game at the expense of university, other industry certifications and having an active resume. Because of that, they'd struggle to even find entry level employment after stopping. They don't have the long-term financial security that is offered in "normal" jobs, that's why they get paid so much in the short term.
2023-05-26 06:35
they should be paid a base salary up to 5k a month with extra bonuses based on performance
2023-05-26 06:41
es3tag's price came as a result of how well he played on Astralis- so much so that xyp had to come out of his break after Astralis won EPL S12
2023-05-26 06:47
They should but there's no regulations, this is just like a business functioning on offer & demand. If an investor can still make a profit by paying players 50k he will go for it. I think anything above 5k for a t1 player is absolutely crazy considering most jobs are atleast as hard if not more, paid 10/50 times less and are actually more valuable to human beings. It's not only in esport but overall the whole entertainment industry that need to be regulated but it seems impossible to regulate without a worldwide government.
2023-05-26 07:32
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The solution sounds like a pure nightmare
2023-05-26 10:12
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The solution is simple, we just need a worldwide government for economics regulation in entertainment industry. Difficult to see it happen but not impossible
2023-05-26 23:53
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I mean, yes. On paper it is true. But on practice, don't you think that such authority would have the ultimate power of controlling the mind of people, since entertainment is literally what we do the most nowadays ? One world regulator that choose what people can see, do and what they can't and don't ? It sounds like creating a golem that might fight back against us. But I guess at some point it is needed and will happen.
2023-05-27 02:36
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They won't control the mind of people esp if they're just used to regulate economy of entertainment, it's like saying our government is controlling mind of people lol... It can influence people but that's it. It's not about controlling what people can see but about regulating how we manage investments and money in entertainment
2023-05-27 03:05
the career is so short lived, if reduce pay people simply won't play
2023-05-26 07:37
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That's simply not true lmao there will always be people to play at a high level even if salaries were halfed cut or even lower
2023-05-27 03:18
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And then after they finish playing? They spend the rest of their life leeching off government benefits because nobody wants to hire someone with a 10 year gap in their resume and zero career certifications.
2023-05-27 09:16
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Only in australia cause in Europe you can find a bunch of work with no certifications or specific skills you just need motivation
2023-05-27 20:17
Yes. No real ambitions for winning or doing anything
2023-05-26 07:39
Lucaozy was bought from Sharks Esports by Fluxo for €325K according to the Dust2 Brasil website.
2023-05-26 07:58
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#73
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Spain VIKTORAL
lucaozy is insane
2023-05-26 08:22
#74
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New Zealand Chicken_RD
I just don't see how any pro is generating 50k/month or more for their org. Where does the money come from to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a month to have a csgo team? That's a lot of sponsors and jersey sales.
2023-05-26 08:26
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#87
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Serbia Ljannister
T1 teams got sponsors, probably to launder money, others do 322 or accept 2k $
2023-05-26 09:11
Most e-sports money is from venture capital and therefore making money here and now is not the primary goal How can evil genius afford to pay 30k USD every month for a player like Brehze? Because Wolverhampton is funding the project and to them the interest isn't in making a profitable business (for now) but to own a double partenered team so that if e-sports become valuable in the future they have a good entry point. It's not too unrealistic for e-sports to become profitable but unlikely in the near future.
2023-05-27 03:04
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But how would it make more money in the future? Unless csgo goes ppv while still maintaining a good chunk of its audience or valve decides to invest more into the pro scene i just don't see where that money would come from. And for orgs like OG and EG who can't even make the major, they must be bleeding a lot of money speculating on the long term.
2023-05-27 06:12
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I know the owner of 100thieves wanted to enter csgo but it didn't make financial sense. I don't see what's different about other teams.
2023-05-27 06:29
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100thieves are a different kind of e-sports org. Most noticeable that they aren't really only an e-sports org anymore. Most of their focus is on content creation and being a "lifestyle brand". You can see the difference by just opening the 100thieves website. You are greeted not by e-sports news or their players but instead by clothes they want you to buy. Compare this to Astralis, Vitality, G2 etc. and you get a sence of how they are different You know what other organization is a lot like them? Faze clan. An "E-sports organization" that mostly focuses on content creation. Their website is also the same as 100thieves. I also haven't heard anything about 100t coming to CS:GO again. From what i know CS:GO is one of the more sustainable E-sports (Which says a lot) and considering 100thieves own a LCS team it's not like profit is the focus. I think the real reason why they aren't interest and don't consider it sustainable is that they don't have a partner position and can't get one. Even C9 can't get one. And if one should come on the market C9 is 100% gonna get it.
2023-05-27 11:52
Ppv is obviously the only way for it to make money. All sports make money from ppv. Shirt sales, personal sponsors, prize pools etc. etc. that's just a nice bonus. PPV is where the really money is It's unrealistic for CS:GO to go ppv today but who knows what the space is like in just 5 years. CS:GO has a lot of advantages that traditionals sports dont have though. Namely that CS:GO is owned by someone, Valve can quite literally make it illegal to stream CSGO if they wanted to because they own the game. They can control the streaming rights, who get's to play in pro circuits and who doesn't. No one owns football, basketball, baseball etc. instead they buy into corporations that claim to host the best tournaments. That's also why something like the super league was such a big deal. That quite literally can't happen in CS:GO if Valve decides so. As a viewer it's kind of scary but as an investor it's a very good thing. The idea of buying into an exclusively owned sport with restrictive partnership systems would make any investor salivate. For these venture capital groups the losses are big in percentages but small in comparison to the general business. Sure EG are loosing a lot of money, maybe half a million a year but half a million is peanuts to Wolverhampton. They get 150+ million from PPV in the PL.
2023-05-27 11:41
A lot less than you think.
2023-05-26 08:28
they are paying them from their own pockets so?
2023-05-26 08:44
u guys might be too young for this but ive known the times where heaton and mousesports were lil kids and they earned about 1000 to 1200 euros per month, which was SHITLOADS of money for just playin a video game back then and they were mainly happy cuz they received components and pc's from sponsors... back then it costed maybe 400-600eu to rent a place NOW, these ppl earn x50, but their costs didnt go up x50, so the ratio is SO messed up and by who?? yes, guess again, the ppl that watch and feed csgo, YOU guys.. and to add up, u guys make insane bets, which feeds gambling industry which also pays orgs look navi, sponsored by betting, faze, vita,....... ALL of them :)
2023-05-26 09:06
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It's true but I don't agree with you poiting economic responsabilities on the viewers/fans. I think the sponsors, teams and governments are responsible for this situation
2023-05-26 23:57
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Bro if they didnt have 1 mil viewers but only 10k, sponsors and private investers would drop off right away
2023-05-27 17:40
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Yes but it's not a reason to blame fans for it, it's like blaming women for her r*pe because she was wearing light clothes
2023-05-27 20:19
#85
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Serbia Ljannister
They are overpaid. Orgs going bankrupt while they take 1mil per year + stickers is really unsustainable business model. No one played football for similar money until in developed as a sport, same should be applied in Esport.
2023-05-26 09:09
#86
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Other frypaan
Hltv users judging pay scale of others while themselves doing nothing productive. Hilarious!! FYI. the orgs have much more informed personnel to judge the salaries. So, please leave it to the professionals
2023-05-26 09:09
I would say football and basketball are next level on this. Think if even half of all that money was spent on something actually meaningful. Then again peasants have always needed Bread and circuses.
2023-05-26 10:25
#101
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United States Mosney
404 inc
2023-05-26 10:30
It's a big bubble
2023-05-26 10:30
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#113
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United States Mosney
nope economy going strong sponsors have so much
2023-05-26 18:52
Care to make a point?
2023-05-26 13:08
#108
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Japan Inlivino
T1 esport organizer just shooting the price when signing pro. Esport organizer in general is just burning investor money faster then funding startup, with kids demanding 5 figure monthly paycheck. but again there's tier 2/3 team that got paid on minimum wages.
2023-05-26 13:34
I wonder which country's players have the most unfavorable conditions for paying taxes on their salaries? I heard maybe Estonia or something. i remember some rumor about ropz
2023-05-26 16:27
These esports companies can’t rely on easy investor funding anymore, it was fine when we had 0% interest rates but with rate hikes it’s not feasible which is why you see so many orgs shutting down. Also esports orgs as a whole are burning cash like MOFOs, don’t know how much longer they can sustain this without any changes
2023-05-26 23:22
#116
ANa | 
United States Mosney
not paid enough
2023-05-26 23:23
I mean they have to try hard unless they feel like getting benched
2023-05-26 23:26
they need the money
2023-05-26 23:33
#119
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Russia Rufles$s
ferGOD's salary for SK was like 45k$ or 40k$ per/month
2023-05-26 23:41
1 reply
try 50
2023-05-27 03:39
You're not paying them so what's your problem? If it's so easy money in your mind you go do it.
2023-05-26 23:56
why would that be "too much"? sounds about right, natural and normal, and more highly coveted assets will get more lucrative contracts. Just how life works, not just economy
2023-05-27 00:03
#126
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Denmark ReSalty
Yes
2023-05-27 00:31
NA orgs pay too much, jame ask yekindar that on a video its censured but he was winning like 4 times jame won on VP
2023-05-27 02:43
#135
ANa | 
United States Mosney
in football basketball soccer yes csgo and valorant no. but soon
2023-05-27 04:50
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