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Who do you think is better?
m0nesy seems to have hype going around him but brocoli also appears at the top of Faze games most of the time.
Also, who is more important to G2 - NiKo or m0NESY?
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You are exaggerating the difference. Some might say midky is better than m0nesy
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He really isn't, M0nesy on his rookie year was 1 behind broky and only because of Faze's achievements, cuz they destroyed that year. He had bigger impact & rating + Broky was 7th in awp kills/round & M0nesy 3rd. Exactly what #5 said. Mediocre AWPer, he got destroyed by 17 year old.
Broky's first MVP: 21yo
M0nesy's: 17yo
So to sum it up, M0nesy in his rookie year was on the same level as Broky's peak years.
Broky transition from 2022 to 2023 - 1.16 -> 1.15 rating, 1,08 -> 0.99 impact
M0nesy's: 1.17 -> 1.20rating, 1.16 -> 1.18 impact
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m0nesy is the better player but comparing age here is irrelevant. Compare the roster broky was on the last 3 years and then look at the roster m0nesy joined. Go get mvps your team needs to be relatively good or else you will never have deep runs.
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Karrigan or Rain will get kicked first
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+1. Even if not the best awper, dude is clearly above your "average pro" as an awper, and often makes big plays and carry FAZE with the _A_W_P_. No one average can do that as often as he does.
Just last year he was #6 and had .36 awp kills per round which was #7 overall.
"Average awper" my ass
Salty kids needs to go over the board to make a point.
you're on the fast track to overtaking DougBuck as the worst baiter
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as for me, it's better to play good vs every team than make insane stats against t2/1,5 teams and then suck vs top5/10 (I don't mean that m0nesy suck vs top teams, I mean that broky is really good player. For example, osee makes good stats vs top20/30 teams, but hten he meats reall t1 and he is useless
M0nesy is overall a better player, but FaZe wouldn't have won this many finals without broky, he's a big game player unlike m0nesy and entire g2, who tend to choke a lot in the important stages
one is a baiter. hint: not monesy
m0nesy is one of the 4 AWPers that's just on another level entirely
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Man you are right he’s on another level. Holy shit take a look that’s crazy .
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/18053/bro..
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Thats what I was talking about when I said m0nesy has hype going for him from his fans but actually they both are very close in performance
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Let’s See what happens and the end of this year maybe he will have way higher stats then. But as for last year that were pretty on par. He is super young so he’s got that going for him, he may or may not be way fucking better by the time he’s broky s age
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Yeah, feels like m0nesy has/would surpass broky eventually
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A whole year of gameplay is irrelevant in proving whether or not M0nesy is on another plain vs broky. If you say so. And sure look at 2023 .05 rating difference doesn’t scream another level dip shit
fluke year. FaZe was much better than G2. Its natural that his stats would be much higher than usual. m0nesy still managed to outperform him
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“Fluke” year lol winning tournament after tournament into a major into a grand slam. Shit I’ll take that kind of fluke any day
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Well, they have only won 4 out of 11 but yeah, still a great year from them
Still not that impressive after NaVI 2021 who won 8 out of 13
xd you think we wouldnt notice you put it on 2022, switch to 2023 and you just rekt urself
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Was on 2022 on purpose dingleberry. We get to see a whole year of how monesy was on another level. And even if I did switch it to 2023 he’s still not on a whole level above or anything, .05 rating difference and .12 impact difference which is a lot more but… a whole nother level is Shiro zywoo simple not this kid. Not yet at least
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.05 is a massive difference
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It is but not like look at zywoo Jesus Christ lmao that’s another level what’s he at this year
nobody mentioned 2022, we are talking about this year ofc. m0nesy >>> brosky
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/18053/bro..
Why don't you put it on the current year instead of m0nesy's rookie year and the best year of broky's lame career
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No that’s fine because 2023 shows he’s on the same level. The only people as of right now on another level are clear, Shiro zywoo simple. Maybe he will be by the end of this year or maybe next year we shall see
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Broky m0nesy who’s the other 2?
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bro hes not talking about Broky - probably talking about s1mple,zywoo,sh1ro and obviously m0nesy
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Oh…really!!
Thank you for informing me mr.realxmichael
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In order for m0nesy to count in that group he still needs to prove it. He just doesn’t get placed in there without doing it first. Shiro zywoo and simple put up the same numbers m0nesy did in Navi junior but in tier 1. while he hasn’t done that yet
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Bro ik that i was just trolling:))
But you right he has a long way to go
allu and Niko
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m0nesy has better stats this year than s1mple
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How are m0nesy's comms better :D? Just for debate here, broky 2nd calls, m0nesy doesn't. And G2 / NiKo say they want m0nesy to be more vocal in what he sees as an AWPer / player, don't see anything about that about broky ? I don't care if you wanna argue smthn else but better individual comms / better teamate is just a lie
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true, m0nesy might be more skilled, younger and not even at his peak but broky has more expierence and good understanding of the game and teamwork, he is like a very light version of ZywOo who reads the game well.
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by that logic zywoo>Cadian>broky>s1mple>sh1ro>m0nesy>acor>osee>nawkk>woro>sunpayus>saffeheadtrick>crucial>hyped>degster>torszi>jame>gxx>hades>zorte......
ez just rank them by their team ranking omegalul
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thats just wrong, by that logic, vitality has 5 best players in the world for each position, same goes for heroic but they have second best players in the world for each position.
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but they do
m0nesy better than broky, broky is more often than not very out of position and not being helpful/making weird plays/missing shots
NiKo is more important to G2, its very hard to find someone who can find as much impact as niko
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Broky is playing in FaZe (on tier-1 scene) since 2019
never won or achieved anything big until 2022 with a very sick lineup.
2 mvps, 4 evps. top-6 hltv in 3.5, almost 4 years.
m0nesy outperformed broky in his debute year.
Won : BLAST PRO and IEM KATO
Took his first MVP, 2 EVPS and top-7 hltv at the age of 17
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hltv.org/news/35334/top-20-players-of-20..
Here's basically what m0nesy has achieved within a year. Outperformed broky during his peak year and FaZe year. There is no way broky will ever be that close to m0nesy when FaZe aint winning everything for him lol.
He has won 2 very big S-tier events and got the mvp and 2 evps in his debute year. Stop being delusional only because he's russian. He has currently achieved more than ZywOo at his age.
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hahagahagagsfGaj
meanwhile zywoo in his debute year:
hltv.org/news/28877/top-20-players-of-20..
im sorry but zywoo was studying at school at the age 17, while monesy was playing cs 24/7 since he was 6th grade and didnt attend lessons. As i said age has nothing to do with throphies
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Learn how to read, arrogant mad russia hater. I said "at his age"
sorry, but m0nesy graduated from high school so try to spread your lies to someone else.
As I said, broky was never a star player and couldnt achieve anything for 3 years.
m0nesy outperformed him in his debute year when FaZe was at their peak.
But yeah, broky is better ;(( and dev1ce is better than ZywOo, look at the trophies and mvps.
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yeah he graduated with money. Envy wanted to sign zywoo when he was 16, but he declined offer to finish school, he hasnt been playing in seroius team at the age of m0nesy so how can you compare them by age lmao. Broky is overall better player cause he achieved much more, m0nesy has better raw skill
/closed and dont answer me delusional monesy fan
edit: broky is worlds #6 player in 2022, even at hltv ranking he's better than monesy lmao
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obivously m0nesy, at least he has a much higher skill ceiling than broky
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In the last 6 months Monesy has been better than broky. But broky is a better awper whenever faze is performing like a team and not an EU FPL mixteam. Even though he misses every sitter, he compensates for it by posting consistently average numbers, finding himself at correct site to defend, and doesn't completely disappear in big matches. Does whatever he's told to do and does the job well.
Monesy's individual mechanics are way better than broky. And that's enough to convince most casual viewers that he's the better awper overall. But when faze is on point broky can go toe to toe with any awper in the world (except zywoo) by abusing his rotations and gamesense. In that sense broky trumps over monesy. Biased opinion ofcourse.
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Good Analysis despite the flair
Broky sometimes misses sitters but he is super-consistent and reliable most of the time especially in big games
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Broky does infact miss sitters, but I think it would be fair to look at the other side of the board and say m0nesy does too. If you watch his gameplay they equally miss a roughly even amount of sitters imo, just people don't care about m0nesy cause he compensates with cool flicks that are unnecessary in the way he does it, just my opinion.
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True, m0nesy also misses sitter sometimes
broky clears
m0nesy is tearing shit up at 18
when broky entered tier 1 in 2019 w/ Faze, he was also 18 in 2019. But broky was 1.07 in his starting year as AWPer
the answer is clear as day
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So, by this logic zywoo > s1mple
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yes..and that's why this argument makes sense at the end of their careers. m0nesy won kato at 17. Broky did so at 21 (i think). But Broky won the IGS when he was 22. m0nesy doesn't have the IGS but the point is he is 18 and has a hell of a long road to complete
I genuinely don't see a point in comparing people who are still competing at a high level and having impact. I just wrote #39 because this is how HLTV likes to argue
Say in the future, s1mple god forbid continues his horrid form and doesn't win anything till the end of his career. Zywoo wins another major and a few more tourneys and has his strong form till say 24 y/o and drops off after that, objectively zywoo is better than simple.
Stats are a way to gauge individual performance but at the end of the day you remember the guy who won more
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Agreed!
I would also love your opinion on 2nd question between NiKo and m0nesy because I saw you defending NiKo in evening today.
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Personally, the comparison makes no sense because the roles are different. And the comparison can't be made at the end of their careers as well. NIko is an entry fragger and monesy is an awper.
You can maybe just gauge the better guy by who plays their role better, instead of gauging their overall impact in a game. Only with this metric, Niko is the better person. And this is just due to experience. m0nesy, for his starting phase in tier 1 is objectively better than many AWPers of his age. And unfortunately, stats aren't the parameter you can look at if you want the answer. Cause perfecto has massive impact as anchor even though he has a poor impact rating. Players like xyp, even in Astralis 2018 didn't have impressive ratings. BUT Xyp's clutch potential and his anchor capabilities helped Astralis immensely
Niko may not always gain entries but that's the problem with any entry fragger. You get naded, get double-peeked, and your pre-aim needs to be 100% correct all the time, which is not possible.
But m0nesy's trade potential is massive. As an AWPer, there's nothing more you want than someone who can almost 100% guarantee you a 1-for-1 trade at a bare
minimum.
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Fair enough, I feel like m0nesy can be replaced by many players but NiKo is one of a kind player and hence more important
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Niko on a hot day can win you maps on his own. This was G2s story in 2021 when they were dogshit. Hunter waayyy too inconsistent, Nexa probably the biggest user of 'Niko, go kill', amanek poor guy made to awp and jackz was honestly bad...like seriously. What Niko did in 2021, no other rifler can do the same ever in the history, or the foreseeable future of the game
G2 needed a young awper who they can feed off of for many years without needing a replacement.Basically what NaVi did with s1mple. In that regard, there's no awper as good as monesy in his age group, hence he's irreplaceable to the team. AWPers are easy to come by anyone can move the mouse and click M1 but there are hardly 5-6 AWPers in the scene who can give you massive impact.
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Yes exactly
there are too many parameters to keep in mind to make this comparision even remotely easy to make. #46 for more info
+1,
But also a lot of factors, I do think m0nesy kicking off his debut showed more potential than broky, and was a better player, but m0nesy was also nurtured more and got to play in a SOMEWHAT stable roster, while broky had some rollercoasters 2019-2020 till they finally stabalized. I also believe m0nesy got more individual help from others but besides the point. M0nesy > broky's debut, but broky > m0nesy atm imo
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yeah, he can get the highlights if he plays by the book like s1mple and zywoo, the meta for the awpers is to be passive, no need for stupid agression or every time you have a good spawn doing a stupid peek or anything, device settled this meta back on the astralis prime days, you can just hold angles and get a sh*tload of frags and carry a game, if he adjusts to that he will be very good
M0nesy is more gifted mechanically, but I feel he lacks in experience in his decision making, this is where I think broky excells, and especially lately, he's found his groove in aggression where he needs to. Broky 2nd calls for his team whereas m0nesy doesn't, broky in playoffs / big matches is almost always 2x the player m0nesy is, I'd also argue m0nesy gets set up more for success whereas broky is a more supportive player, specifically on T side. M0nesy ofc has his positives too but that's just my thought on the matter, I can understand m0nesy > broky, but I don't see it.
M0nesy is clearly more talented than Broky, but HooXie isn't using him properly. HooXie should learn from Na'Vi and send M0nesy to the other side of the map after every kill he gets.
As of now, I think they are equally valuable because M0nesy lacks experience and leadership compared to Broky in FaZe, but his raw skill pulls him back up to the same level.
NiKo is playing support for G2 at the moment and still puts up stats that are around equal to M0nesy (lower rating, higher impact), so I'd go for NiKo being more valuable to G2. An AWPer should have a bigger statistical lead on the rest of their team, though I don't think you can blame M0nesy for only being equal to one of the best and most experienced riflers in the world.
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I agree because before Hooxi they weren't really doing anything with monesy and he was forced to play different. After hooxi he has more freedom to play his way and it shows
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Maybe, your point is true, a very experienced, well self managed player will give you an incredible performance when let off the leash, but if he lacks experience then he's prone to make stupid plays given the fact he's given the space to. I agree but you also need a good IGL to manage the AWP well
M0nesy will surpass Broky easy and many other awpers if he keeps going and growing.
At first I was skeptical but that kid is really fucking fast with the awp.
U can't even compare, m0nesy's mechanics are on another lvl
monesy is like kennys, hard time to handle pressure and miss most crucial shots , he is not a awper you can trust in a team as he will make you loose rounds he shouldn t by beeing destroyed even by riffles cause he couldn t hit his first bullet on rounds that make you loose the game.. it s classic monesy
Broky is less flashy and might be a bit more trusty to play with in a team
m0nesy > broky
I personally would keep NiKo over m0nesy, I can find good awpers easier than truly great riflers
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Pretty easy to realize if youre looking objectively, m0nesy cant solo carry a game, broky can. m0nesy isnt as consistent as broky is, m0nesy fails to hit the same height that broky does. That may change but as of now broky is better than m0nesy. Most of the hate toward broky is due to him being on faze, put him on any other team and people would call him top3 awper. He plays similar to shiro except he takes more risks.
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The way Karrigan likes to call is very chaotic and didn't help the players post high ratings, even if they were the best team by far the last year. Broky would definitely deliver in a better way if he is placed in a team with a more consistent system like Vitality, Heroic, Cloud9, or Na`Vi. He can be the next device.
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Broky 1 major champion meanwhile m0nesy 0 major playoffs /closed
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You just settled the debate ☠️
Age is a number, experience make it better
i.imgur.com/rlFaysc.png the only answer that matters
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lmao
Although I'm a big fan of G2, right now broky is better.
He's just more consistent and trustworthy, he's not as flashy but who cares, highlights don't win the game. He's way more passive but he's less likely to miss a shot. Whereas m0NESY often does, he may hit some beautiful shots but I saw him missing the easier ones, not trusted sniper is not a good one, he needs more consistency in his shots fired/hit ratio, he's got the better mechanics but it sometimes lets him down, gotta go slow sometimes
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im a broky fan and id say m0nesy has more impact than broky this year and such he is a better player
Ofc monesy is the better awper but broky is not mid by any means
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broky 1 major, monesy 0 major
1 > 0 mens))
Broky is more relevant when team needs him, when g2 play bad monesy doesn't show up.
Broky is the boy who i'd like to have with me when games matter any day of the week, look at the differences in 2-2 games at major: g2-fnatic, monesy played like a dog on map 2 and 3, 0 impact and doing nothing to help his team; same stage Navi-Faze, with faze losing 15-9 broky endend with 40-23 carrying his team to the major playoffs.
Don't look only at the stats, just analize the games and how a player can impact on a team not only putting 'numbers'
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