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Are there any examples of a player getting kicked from a T1 team and reviving his career in a T2 team?
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he only dislikes jermans not germens
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wtf?
guys i'm not resist i just don't like jermans
(the remix is epic)
navi is currently t2 so it fits
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He played for worst players after liquid and then went back to liquid and then navi
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still tier 2
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cct gamer
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Heroic semifinal at Paris major
Astralis where? cct?
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atleast they won something
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still has 0 tournaments won this year unlike astralis who has actually won something this year, is money everything to you?
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Me: won backyard csgo cup
Heroic : won nothing this year
Me> heroic.
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you are indeed right
When did he go to tier 2 though? I would say being part of an partner team (especially if it's partners with both Blast & ESL) means you are in a tier 1 team.
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We are talking about teams, not players. Just because someone is in a tier 1 team doesn't necessary make them a tier 1 player (or good enough for tier 1). There is a difference between being a tier 1 IGL and being an IGL in a tier 1 team and those who you mentioned are more IGL's in tier 1 team than tier 1 IGL's if you know what I mean.
What do you think is tier 1?
nexa is on og
I would say being part of an partner team (especially if it's partners with both Blast & ESL) means you are in a tier 1 team.
it doesnt lol
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So what do you count as tier 1 teams? Imo even if you are underperforming, your team (or org) is still tier 1 with a lot of opportunities and support staff. Like for example just because Astralis has been pretty bad for last couple of years I would still count it as a tier 1 team. Or same with NIP.
Btw there is no clear definition for what is tier 1 or tier 2 etc.
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there is huge difference between ORG and TEAM and just bcs org has money(for example EG) it doesnt mean that they have t1 team bcs EG is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from that...
for me t1 teams are contenders. teams that are threat and aspirants to win actually. not to attend bcs of orgs money.
calling teams t1 bcs of partnered spots is literally dumb lol
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i would say like 6 teams atm yea(for me).
but thats not the point tho. point is that team isnt t1 just bcs of slot...
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Mouz t1????????
Would say ence but okay.
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ever since ropz left mouz has been pretty shit ngl. Cant really consider them T1 anymore. had a good stint at the major though. Or can you tell me a T1 event that they went far in.
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they are worse but I would still say not that bad (from the beginning it was)
Cologne 22 - 5th-6th
EPL 16 - 5th-8th
Rio major - 3rd-4th
EPL 17 - 5th-8th
not that bad considering just Katowice and IEM Rio they did bad now major
but if you would say thats not t1 then you would have to say Vitality were t2 like last 2 years
thats just my opinion
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Ey disagree seeing when seeing their tournament results. Vitality looked has more deep runs getting 2nd places and everything while mouz seemed to only get playoffs barely. And only got to finals in small events. While vita won small events and got to finals in bigger events. And i think mouz 0-3 at the major was absolutely terrible.
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Also think thats the difference betweeen T1 and T2 being able to make finals/win big tournaments and just always being the favourite for the small ones. Even looking at those results apart from rio i feel like they did not beat alot of good teams.
well that t1 definition is only my point of view. if you think that play off teams should be considered as t1 im fine with it.
anyway no way that teams should be t1 just bcs they bought slot
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This is what I mean, there's no actual definition of what is tier 1. You have your opinion and I have mine. If I would take recent performances also into consideration (with resources & partner spots) then you could remove from tier 1 EG, COL, BIG and OG, but I would still consider the rest (like Astralis) tier 1.
I just separate the players from teams and just because some teams don't have enough tier 1 players (good enough for tier 1), doesn't mean they aren't a tier 1 team.
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Yes there is no official definition of tiers BUT teams actual performance should be big factor in all of them...
And not just buy a slot and voila you are t1 team
lmao look at me straight in the eyes and tell me big and eg are tier 1 cs teams lmao
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Guess I just separate players from the teams meaning just because a team doesn't have enough tier 1 players to be competitive doesn't mean it isn't tier 1.
If you want to remove the worst partner teams then sure maybe BIG, EG, COL & OG aren't tier 1 currently, but rest are.
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Not sure would Snappi count as from Heroic to c0ntact and then to ENCE
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He was in Na'Vi since early CSGO,got kicked then dissapeared in tier3,where is the comeback?
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what? kkkkkkkkk
Nah he led flipside to the major in 2018 after he got kicked or something like that.
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he didn't say T2 -> T1 ->T2
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nawwk
snappi
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+1
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Zeus is the best example
karrigan
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zeus best example, really.
kicked, no, but jks was tier 1 (renegades 2019, arguably) then 100 thieves + col (tier 2) and then faze/g2 , tier 1.
You can mention aleksib if you consider OG tier 2, which is reasonable.
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jkaem
Best example is acoR
This guy was dreadful in MOUZ
But his career revived with GamerLegion
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respect gambit, not tier 2.
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hobbit too
did great with gambit
fucking disappeared
went back to gambit and now is playing really well
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hobbit
hobbit :)
Karrigan (faze -> mouz -> faze)
HObbit (Gambit -> HellRaisers -> Gambit/C9)
NAF (OpTiC -> Renegades -> Liquid)
STYKO (mouz -> bunch of no name teams -> Apeks)
k0nfig (OpTiC -> coL -> Astralis)
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when karrigan joined mouz it for sure was no tier 1 team, when he left it had become a t1 team.
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stewie2k 2018-2019
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k1to
Jks
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He should just do it again XD
Jkaem, Hobbit
Rpk should count
snappi counts, he almost went to Mongol to prove his worth
Swedish scene is weird, but one could argue someone like Golden counts. Then again C9 always tried to be tier1 team, so I dunno
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Zeus
hobbit, iirc at some point his stats on the new gambit youngsters were even better than during his original major-winning peak.
Junior with any NA team that is not tier1 :D Was shit in Col, Furia etc, but in teams like EG black, Triumph etc, he is insane, and maybe ain't tier2 worthy, but as a player is and as an NA team also is there. Not many people you could name, so I guess Junior could be one of the more accurate ones.
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North t1?
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Ehh would say that north was never really T1 they had some good moments but 1 tournament win is nothing. Would rather say dignitas that won epicenter. With rubino was T1.
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Snappi
Hobbit, 2017 major champion then he went to hellraisers and winstrike(they were top 50 and with hobbit they reached top 24) until gambit picked him up to lead the youngsters project which he was able to go along with the team all the way from top28 to top1 for almost 3 months and 150 consecutive weeks in top30
Hobbit has the biggest comeback story ever
hobbit played in winstrike and hr after gambit major, and then made comeback to t1 in gambit youngsters
cadian
hobbit
zeus
snappi
these 4 for sure
I have a great example, which people forgets and it's allu: ENCE -> NIP/MOUZ -> ENCE -> FaZe -> Optic -> ENCE -> JANO
And you have to remember that allu joined back to ENCE March 2018, so it took like a year or so, before they started to have good playoff runs.
karrigan
K1to
dosia sex god
cadian
HObbit
cadian
SNAPPI
Adren with Avangars (tho he wasnt the player he used to be), Cadian kinda, allu with his ence stints before aleksi.
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