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i really like zywoo but he isnt the goat of CSGO.
he def could be goat in cs2 if he keeps form.
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coldzera already did that 3 years before zywoo, nt
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he didnt
more successful lol. some of these did not even win single major. not to mention that zywoo probably earned more sticker money in few years from fans across the globe, compared to niko die hard fans that are so poor in yugoslavia that they really dont have much spare money to spend on some videogame textures.
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bro it even says the name of the country how can u still fuck it up
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just look at his flag, you get your answer lol
ezpop leave hltv forums a while so you can build a life for yourself
zywoo will be one of the most talented players when he's retired, if not the one, should he never win another title again. the guy knows how to juggle all dynamics of the game consistently. winning titles is team game, and the best player vs the most accomplished player is a different conversation.
as an NIP fan since 1.5, harsh truth is that in my personal view, he's the best player ever already, including your beloved s1mple.
pronax > zywoo agreed.
How the fuck can people still make such long threads / comments after a "goat" comment
True humble beast!
TURKEY_TOP1 user lmao
Not even close to FalleN.
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+1 lol, like, if he played more maps he would obviously have a higher KD diff, not only that, but he also says he's as good as 7 t1 riflers together, but for that to be true he would need to have at least 7.0 rating lol, he literally forgot that other players also get kills and their score isn't based only on KD diff
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not like zywoo plays with the rifle more than the awp...
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i would say an hybrid for this case, real top tier Awpers all have between 45 and 60% AWP kills : hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7592/devic..
hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/16920/sh1r..
and aslo ZywOo is better with a rifle than the AWP
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can he do this with a rifle? youtube.com/watch?v=k7YGV9KfGTs
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he can do that even with pistol...and actually made ace clutch vs navi :D
youtube.com/watch?v=yzFlcjYPK6A&t=1s
happened literally 3 months ago and is even better than his awp clutch for me
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"about half his kills come from the awp"
this is factually wrong lol. he has more rifle kills than awp kills this year
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32%=about half? yea that makes sense lmao
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wtf does this even means, do you know maths ? hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11893/zywo.. the stats are here easy to read
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He hasn't played more than these players though
that flair though
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Bro now you're just making up an absurd stat lol, if we look at most top AWPers.
Broky - 37%, definantly main AWP.
S1mple - 42%
Dev1ce - 46.5%
m0nesy - 55%
My question is, where do you draw the line of AWPer and not, since broky is 37%, meaning he probably uses AWP like 1-2 more rounds than zywoo per game, is he an AWPer? Or a rifler?
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Broky : hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/18053/brok..
47.3% AWP
Shiro : hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/16920/sh1r..
50% AWP
Dev1ce : 46.5% AWP
Dgester : 53% AWP hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/17306/degs..
Cadian : 47%AWP hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7964/cadia..
Jame : hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/13776/jame.. 63% AWP
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Where do you draw the line is my question though ?
And where does it state what % is required to be an AWPer, cause its all objective really. My point is ZywOo by far is vita's main AWPer, and there is no 2nd AWPer actively, and his stats show the fact he frequently uses it.
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he has on average 20% less AWPkill% than the usual AWPERs, that means that on average he uses 40% less AWP than an average T1 awpers.
So ZywOo uses close to 2times less the AWP than the Main T1 Awper, you can call him an hybrid if you want, but he is more towards rifle as i have staed and it has nothing to do with the fact that he uses the AWP the most in vita, some teams uses way less awp than others.
lmao simple so bad he is not even in the graph
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its insane how u cant read and understand a simple sentence
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whats is this means
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they excluded bait kills so simple was left out of the graph unfortunately
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its insane that u cant even read
NiKo being +164 is more impressive
he just like me fr
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awpers always bigger kd diff indeed
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#41 without the trading part
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without the trading part.
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First of all its not 50% rifle its closer to 45%.
Second the fact he rifles has most likely to do with the fact on how their eco game is played. S1mple for example has 40% awp rate which is a bit higher but not that much. This means the team is more comfertable playing without an awp some rounds. Still the awper is the person most likely playing with a route of escape. You (almost) never see awpers in a 1 and done position. If we look at the most extreme example of this(jame) we can see he got about the same amount of kd diff in 2022. Also jame has a simular amount of kills and deaths in 2022.
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Flair doesnt check out.
7% galil famas??????????????????????????????????????? where do you pull that static from? out of your ass?
also adding deagle??????????????????????????????????
Awpers just die less often than riflers.
Do you even read?
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"7% galil famas??????????????????????????????????????? where do you pull that static from? out of your ass?"
thats literally here : hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11893/zywo..
is it hard to find ? xD
ZywOo always plays M4A1S or famas on second round while Apex and Magisk play MP9. on T side he is playing with Galil While Apex / Magisk / dupreeh play MAC10.
the 7.5% other are at least 6/7% galil and Famas which makes a total of 50 rifle Kills (Without the deagle)
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How do you come to the conclusion that the 7.5% other means 6-7% galil famas?????
In the page you show you can see that he plays famas and galil for a combined total of 35 which is lower than his p250 amount. p250 amount is about 2.5%. so how exactly do you get that 7.5% other is 6-7% galil/famas??
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Still would be closer to 46% or 47% but regardless you ignored my second point about jame having the same kd diff last year. So jame last year = zywoo this year????
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Ofcourse so do you agree with the fact that this tweet is entirely pointless? And that kd diff should not be used as proof for the best player.
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hltv.org/stats/teams/players/openingkill..
i am talking about T SIDE
for the CT side he is first by FAR : hltv.org/stats/teams/players/openingkill..
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yeah, and that is still relatively a low amount if you compare it to real agressive players, who have 30%+ like YEKINDAR/XertioN and Brollan, yeah, for an awper he is pretty agressive like m0nesy and s1mple, but players like s1mple and ZywOo are not known for impact open kills on t side, that's not their job, these hltv stats are anyway useless, bc it doesn't consider if these kills were eco or full buy, I don't deny ZywOo impact, it's just that k/d diff doesn't say a shit about a player. 100x times more useful would be a stat that shows rating or k/d against 3700$+ buys for example.
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"Literally the same %attempt" Again wrong
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
ZywOo 20.6%
Simple 18.7
Monesy 15.7
Ahahahha 2% is a lot, before you say it's nothing
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" ZywOo are not known for impact open kills on t side" thats just factually wrong from both stats and eyes test. Every analyst knows and always comment on how good ZywOo opening are on the T side and always mention it + It is showed in the stats where he is 2nd of his team for the T opening attempts like i have showed you.
"bc it doesn't consider if these kills were eco or full buy"
"100x times more useful would be a stat that shows rating or k/d against 3700$+ buys for example."
well an analyst did that and guess what ? : twitter.com/vooCSGO/status/1595335622918..
in addition to having big opening attempt and sucees on T side, ZywOo also has the best BY FAR kills/round VS FULL BUY and KDA vs buys
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the shit that guy wrote is irrelevant, bc it may be biased or not, it's impossible to check, so, it's not a proof, and u want me to believe he has 0.94 k/r against full buys and 0.82 K/R overall(that year)? Absolute bullshit.
I don't care what commentators and analysts say(I never even heard it), but I watched a lot of Vitality games just as ZywOo's demos, he mostly has the same playstyle as s1mple, just less agressive on ct side, if they have the awp, they both always going last, sometimes get a hero AK and try open kill, mostly 2nd or 3rd to enter the site if has AK, both always hunt ecos, their playstyle is very similar apart from s1mple sometimes doing crazy plays and reading better which site the enemies are gonna end and ZywOo reading opponents individually better and being more impactful on pistol rounds.
You basically saying me ZywOo has 1.1 K/R vs ecos, 0.94 vs Full buy and like 0.6 K/R vs semi buys? Makes no sense.
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I dont care about what makes sense for you especially when i see how you analyse the game and how wrong this is.
First of all the stats dont lie, ZywOo having the best KDA and kill/round vs full BUYS is not a surprise especially the year mentioned where vitality was bad and had to play at least 5 eco / map. ZywOo was always finding impact on the GUN rounds the only thing keeping vitality alive and able to win pro league alone (1.42 rating over 21 maps was the best performance ever on an event)
ZywOo plays like 5/10% AWP on T side and plays 80% ak this year, yoy simply dont watchh vitality games or you would know and see how many opening kills he is getting. Last year he was so good at opening kills on T side that the only rounds vitality was winning on T side were rounds where ZywOo got the entries. This year thats thz same but he has Magisk able to frag with Him and spinx. However ZywOo playstyle didnt change, he is still going to get entry every 2 rounds with the AK and the only rounds where he will go 2nd/3rd to trade as you mentioned is when vitality are all going to execute on a specific site which doesnt happen very often.
"Both hunt ecos" i shouldnt even have taken the time to answer you before because writing this simply show that you dont watch vitality games at ALL. ZywOo might be the least hunter eco fragger, he will only get the eco frags if his team8 dies and Apex / Magisk are always the most eco fragger by a huge margin for vitality.
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"he is just as much of an eco hunter as any star player"
the guy didnt include every players in his stats or you would see that its a normal % of eco kills and that often players like Apex or Niko will rush the eco frags way more than the star "Awpers" to be confident. ZywOo for exemple has the best KDA vs eco because he is always with the M4A1s second round after they won pistol (in 2023) So 80% of the time Apex and Magish rush with MP9 to get the frags and ZywOo only comes after to clear if they die and couldnt do it, so ZywOo dies not very often vs ecos, unlike Niko for exemple that goes for the eco kills a lot, get more eco kills than ZywOo but will also die more
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if you would have watch the END of 2022 and especially ESL pro league you would know that ZywOo was winning every gun rounds for vitality. Anytime he would not get at least 1 or 2 kills on Gun rounds they would loose, and thats what happens in the 2nd part of 2022 where ZywOo was solo winning for vita
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no one gives a fuck what you did by eye. use proper demo tool for analysis or shut up?
c9win.com/demo-downloader/
there you go, check for yourself. must suck knowing your "goat" is a fraud.
also the guy who made is unbiased youtube content creator, unlike you
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how is that bias? its fucking stats taken out of his demos manually or are you that dumb?
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16VZJpoO8..
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That is complete bullshit, unexpected from you.
Woro2k 700kd difference.
woro2k > zywho
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Cherry picking data is usless if you go back to 2018 and cheery pick the "tier one riflers" compared to s1mple you can get to like 10-11 players to match hes K-D diff. Cherry picking data is completetly irelevent and makes absolutey no sence
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10 hooxi's xD
he could of added s1mple to the stat and it still would be impressive...
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It would expose that Zywoo is group stage farmer
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best doesn't mean most playoffs runs.
When you play 1 playoff per year you can boost your stats
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"When you play 1 playoff per year you can boost your stats"
in the 4 years where ZywOo is 1st playoffs rating, he also has more playoffs Runs than S1mple and Navi in 3 of them : 2019 / 2020 / and 2023. The only year where he was also first and didnt have as much playoff is runs is 2022. Nt tho
so how is he a group stage farmer? if he gets good rating in playoffs and dont go through that means the team didnt help
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Navi in every playoff the last 3 years (except the blast major)
Vitality so many events with bombing out in groupstages.
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so your just saying that my point stands? zywoo is good on groupstage and on playoffs, its some of his teammates that cant even get over a 1.0 rating
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its also on him to get into playoffs.
If he can't he is a groupstage farmer
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s1mple didnt qualify to the major playoffs, he cant even be a groupstage farmer at this point by your logic
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No, since Navi is still above 95% of the playoffs appearance.
Vitality 3 events since 2022
Navi 1 event since 2022
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and?? zero contradiction to my argument.
insane stat damn
interesting that S1mple doesn't show up even in is off-year.
S1mple played this year prob more round with rifle than with awp
Zywoo is pretty good
he will surely be in the top10 best CSGO players of all time.
zywoo is cs prodigy, and also one who decided to grind
he has the talent and mindset to be #1
I think if s1mple ditches Navi and plays more yolo like he used to play, he can take back the spot as #1 player. Right now his team is so meh that it’s probably hard for him to be the old s1mple. If he had a way better team he would be able to move around more freely without worrying about dying. When he dies his team struggles to win a round. He has to be less yolo these days
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just press mouse 1 once and you get a kill...bruv its EZ
Wow - +516?
Truly nuts.
s0mple lol
zywoo clean player >>>>>>>>>> s0mple convicted cheater
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He is the undisputed GOAT of CS
Zywoo number of teeth brushed - 0
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says the uk guy lmfao
it’s like, do people here even watch him play?
he’s godlike with any weapon. his pistols are even better than his awp, his rifling is also ridiculous. he opens with the AK t-side on nuke and crushes banana on inferno. anyone who watches baitF or sh0ro as well can see the difference.
He's the greatest of all time. Best with the pistol, great with both rifle and awp.
Don't forget the fact that ZywOo has played less matches in 2023 than most of the top tier pros still dominating the kd difference.
hmmm... why are they all riflers, no awpers envolved. Awpers save much more and take much less risks, so they die much less, some of them are the top fraggers of the their teams. Its not hard to be logical, that doesnt mean he is better than all together, it means Zywoo is really good killing and not dieying and saving his ass.
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