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if he goes to Liquid, I will be so happy like a girl who has been waiting for her soldier boyfriend 1 year
ive been talking bout this move literally like 1 year
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Wrong acc lilbro
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wdym? hes got a point for sure
true
I doubt they would +flameZ tho that would've been great
lets remove support awp for the most agressive overhyped awper and fuck up more roles in liquid
+ no way yekindar will give space to degster
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Stop acting like you know CS bro
talking this crap about "suPpOrT awPeR" just to justify 0.99 awper in oSee and hate on degster? I hope he will move there and drop 30 against ur favorite team
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0/8
been prob watching cs more years than you have on you
there's no logic behind adding degster for osee with their roles
+ degster requires ton of space for his dogshit animal playstyle and they already have yekindar who does that so adding him would be dogshit cuz they would have 2 agressive players 0 support players
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>no logic behind adding degster for osee
ok ignore
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"HLTV user trying to come up with an argument"-challenge: failed
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why would I waste time for this guy? he is either:
1. Baiter
2. Osee's girlfriend
3. oSee himself trying to stay in Liquid
otherwise idk how to justify this shit he s talking about
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just admit it you have 0 arguments why degster should join liquid and make 0 sense with their roles overall making this team even more dogshit
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You obviously don't interpret what I mean from that statement, you just tryna to find holes to poke at. The reason I brought it up is to infer towards what is going on with the world nowadays. Transgenderism becoming the norm, and it is extremely fake, disrespectful to yourself, and weird asf.
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wrong acc again lilbro
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Bro, idk degster personally and how he is as a person, but as an awper, degster is just a huge upgrade to fucking osee lmao. Degster also gets crowd boost.
no, he has an actual argument (that degster doesn't fit with Liquid). you just say that he should replace osee bc he is the better Awper, completely disregarding team chemistry. btw if you read correctly, he didn't even justify osee's bad performances, he just stated that Liquid need an support awper for their system
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There's absolutely 0 (zero) evidence that degster would mess up the team chemistry at liquid. I doubt there's even any chemistry there with how doo doo they are on the server (relative to individual quality).
If there is solid evidence that degster is toxic, then I understand
Learn to converse you fool
Tes liquid need better awper but bot desgter as ges selfish and dint communicate good enough and greedy in game. But u are russian fake flagger so it checks out
been watching for years and you still preach that support awp bullshit? id love to compare era teams and see which ones had support awps and which ones had awps that could actually hit an enemy
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i never said i liked this idea of a support awper , but that's how it is going on in liquid just like in og with mantuu Ofc they can change roles remove osee for all i care and bring in someone else, but the idea with degster is just dogshit, purely cuz of how his playstyle is. Degster can only play in a team which plays around him to make him shine, and the problem with that is his way 2agressive making this team useless if both yekindar and degster will try to their thing in t/ct, there's just no way this will work in tier 1, + degster has 2big of an ego to work to change his playstyle
i don't think you actually understand what a support AWPer is. has nothing to do with playing bad or good. the best team of all time (Astralis) had a support AWPer.
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that is what a supportive awper provides. A better and more recent example would be Hades or maybe also broky in early rounds. Tbf, basically any awper is a supportive awper nowadays, especially on tsides. There are only a few exceptions like degster who always like to get stuck in but thats not meta. Look at s1mple on tsides in the last few years for example because people like to refer to him as a super aggressive awper which just isnt true imo
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the term supportive AWPer was coined mostly for Skadoodle back in C9, because he used to be overly passive, while still not having overly good stats. It was used more as an excuse rather then an actual role. An AWPer which does not take much initative and also doesnt provide fragging is not really needed in a team. Thus the term support AWPer doesnt really exist when talking about good AWPers as usually they do both.
Supportive players usually play worse positions then others on the same team. That doesnt really make sense for most AWPers as they wield the most expensive gun. Playing passive still means they usually get better spots and more say in plays then other players due to being the AWPer
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Well, Awp really is a supportive role nowadays unless you are a player like degster. But usually you go for a few rather safe opening picks and after that you sit back, throw utility and help your team take space. And then in the mid and laterounds is where you usually shine on tside. But I think "support awper" as a term is usually used for awpers like hades on ence that dont really have too much space and are basically just there to make their riflers shine. But they arent bad awpers, a bad awper can be a star or just a supportive awper, doesnt matter.
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man people taking the propaganda cooked by Skadoodle and Smithzz fans too far.
supporting with the most expensive and impactful gun in the game😂
There is either a passive or aggressive awper and nowadays the line has really blurred as any elite awper can occupy both roles when required its just some have tendencies to lean one way or the other.
Hades was not supportive he was just passive cause he was trash in tier 1 and was scared. On other hand he was aggressive and fragging against tier2-3 skill issue kore then anything.
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There wasnt as much room for hades on ence and he was anything but trash, maybe look beyond the statpage :)
Ofc he wasnt as good as s1mple/zywoo but i guess that should be self explanatory...
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He was goven all the room he sucked so they place him to be passive so he wouldnt be giving free awp every round. Maybe go watch ence from start when he joined cause clearly u talking about later time when he was playing more passive. He sucked vs tier 1 opponents even esetag was better awper in tier 1 lol
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sure sure if u watched cs at least for 1 month u would know what kind of player degster is
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i never said if yekindar does his shit degster automatically is a support awper, truth is that both has the same playstyle and same ego where team has to play around them. It wont work with both of them cuz you cant have 2 stars that team has to play around you cuz there will be nobody who will do supporting (throw flashes for them), and pls degster isnt kind of player who will adapt , he has 2much ego to do it liquid has enough problems and i dont think they need one more to change whole system just for degster
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do they even have a system? yeki now IGL will probs change alot, anyway i think the team is not going to do well either way, elige is mega washed and yeki doesnt fit well with their passive playstyle i think its best for everyone if yeki leaves but he probably wont money too much on liquid. For me best case scenario for degster is on MOUZ
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honestly with yekindar igling osee has looked much better so maybe MAYBE they could fix something, we dont know maybe osee will function better with yekindar igling. We dont need to know if they have some system, logically thinking teams never had 2 stars that needed extra treatment in the squad so they can perform better, and as i said both yekindar and degster in my opinion shouldnt play together in a team if any of them cant sacrifice something to make it work, overall both of them will do their plays in a game which will cost liquid in a tier 1 games. Yekindar already is being countered in 2k23, he cant perform the way he did, besides navi game.
Dude, it's a thing. Even s1mple transitioned towards this, setting up teammates instead of always being the one to be set up.
Maybe watch some cs, and you will realize that stats aren't everything. Just look at C9 after they removed interz, and many similar scenarios.
A team does not become the best because they have the best players (astralis era a perfect example of this) but because they have the best team (work)
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is astralis rly good examle tho?
they had 2nd best awper, the best and most consistent entry, the best support, i would say top3 anchor and one of the best fragging igl at that time:D
well actually yes, the best players can make you the best team, but you need the perfect players for each position.Astralis was a godlike tactical team but they had 4 top 20 players (each of them perfect for every role), there was nobody close to that level of firepower.No matter what tactics you have, if the players can t shoot heads it s useless.
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Top 20 according to HLTV whose opinions I don't give a flying fuck about.
Almost everyone shoots heads at this kvl btw. Astralis didnt though. Tons of body hit kills, which don't matter if opponent is blind as a bat.
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Opinions are not factual and will never become such, even if 100% of people share this opinuon, that is what I am saying. itW, I am Danish, just to put this matter into perspective. But I am not a nationalist unlike most people in the west seems to be.
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I think my true point went missing. I repeat. They were not the best because of the best individual mechanics, but because they had the best teamwork. It's not for fun that everyone else focused a ton more on teamwork after this. This is prime reason their era ended, and not because astralis started to suck on their own.
I honestly never respected HLTV as an authority who is to be held on a piedestal. Especially when their mods are as active as they are deleting unwanted argumented opinions from their forums, inevitably creating a skewed version of public opinion.
On top of that, their writers mix up basic concepts, like tactics and strategy, and are way too focused on stats.
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i literally changed it to top20 as everyone does lmao
why would I count irrelevant wins against NA tier3 bots? 1.04 and 0.91 impact is lowest awper rating in top15. Deal with it
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is it good to get him tho ? Liquid has a lot of "personality" problems and all that shit, when it comes to degster the rumours are he was the reason or one of the reasons nexa left and now he was benched even if he was their best player and a good awper, which is really hard to find these days, it doesn t look good to me.
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Yekindar would never have become IGL if he wasn't smart and likable on a personal level. I refuse to believe otherwise.
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What does the u mean in lul?
It's a thing which almost all top awpers transitioned towards to some extent, even s1mple and Zywoo.
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support awp XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Yeah, the term seems odd. But nevertheless is most awp players throwing way more flashes for teammates than they used to do in the past.
So it is a thing, that you are pedantic about it is your problem in this regard as I see it. It obviously is an obstacle for your understanding.
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don't get me wrong, I'm not ripping on you but it's the most retarded 'role' I've ever heard being tossed around in pro play. the awper is quite commonly the most vital player in the team and there is 0 reason to make them play supportively. The very idea of investing 5750+ in a guy just to have him sit behind and throw flashes is utterly moronic and is generally cope for shit awpers like nosee
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Pedantic approach, not trying to understand the real intention of his post.
Fact is that AWP'ers support their riflers way more than they did in the past.
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He supports more than players used to do, that's my point, which is pretty damn clear if you didn't select which part of post to read, and which part to ignore.
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there's clash when both players tryto make a play after few seconds of the round on t or on ct with both of them playing agressive, this just wont work in tier 1, teams already are countering yekindar + who the fuck will play support and throw util for both of them XD
He is supportive AWP indeed but it doesn't change the fact he is bad AWPer. Look at Zorte, as supportive AWP he still puts numbers cuz you have no excuse having rating below 1.1 playing with the most powerful weapon in the game.
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i never said liquid shouldn't remove osee , honestly in my opinion they should, but not with degster
Again this support awp bullshit
Broky and sh1ro are the most passive awpers of the scene that spend half of the time throwing flashes but they aren't utter garbage, quite the contrary.
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Is that why s1mple throws wsy more team flashes thab he used to?
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He started flashing for teammates before this.
Fact is that in a succesfull team, everyone plays support to some extent.
Nosee support awp = cant hit easy shots
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honestly they can change him for all i care. Never said osee is a good player(awper), but adding degster wont work based only on personality of degster and what teams have to sacrifice in order to make degster comfortable in a team
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I think degster could be better in team like fnatic or creatw a whole new international in TSM
miss shots = suppport awper oh yea baby
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You can replace osee for all i give a fuck, but adding egoster is dogshit idea
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is there talking counter episode with twistzz and I just can't find it or you mean the interview with thorin?
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For anyone else that didn't find it, it's a Spotify exclusive
oh nvm I found it, it's brand new. it's such a good podcast, imma listen to it now
why?, he's been good in OG
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rumours say that his ego is unbearable
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Gigantic problem in an org which has friendship and passion as the most important aspects.
Not surprised.
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yeah thats how npc people think about degster
he is honest guy, never tries to LOOK and ACT like he is a good boy for the fans. He is confident, arrogant, doesnt try to hide it, and actually can back it up delivering big impact on the game. Better than some two faced players twerking for the fans in front of cameras
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Arrogance is dishonesty per definition. Otherwise it's called confidence and not arrogance.
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You and your word definitions.
Arrogance is having too big of an ego to realize your mistakes, this is not dishonesty. Dishonesty would be to degster KNOW he is making mistakes but pretending he isn't. Dishonesty is lie, deceit, pretending.
Arrogance is hubris, stubbornness, narcissism.
There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance as much as there is between bravery and foolishness.
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Lying on purpose or not are both lying.
I'm an insane world, it's the sane who is seen as insane.
So he is a cock who justifies being an asshole by being honest about it. But at least he is sometimes good ingame.
I was sceptical about him joining Liquid, but now I can see that he is a perfect fit.
he made 3 grammar mistakes in a single sentence, he should not be in an international team.
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if pasha was able to play cs go without knowing polish or english so
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I used to like him, but it's become obvious that he lacks humility, which I easily see being an issue, especially in an org which prioritize friendship and equality more than anything else.
Lmfao u think they will remove osee when Nitr0 is already leaving. I doubt it.
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they tried to buy m0nesy before instead of osee
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Difference is, m0nesy is an insane talent, while dexter is nothing special.
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monesy < broky
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I guess they tried m0nesy
they got osee who finally started to play better and if i was them i'd keep him, they need to look for some support player in place of Nitr0, degster is not suitable for TL
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aged well
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nah just saw the thread and i thought the same too actually
WTF
Sneaky way to tell other teams that he wants out
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too easly antistratable , i mean look at yekindar, it doesnt work that good like it worked before where he shined game after game, nowadays besides that navi game i cant remember yekindar doing as good as before, and now lets think how this will work with 2 players like that on t1
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>antistratable
FaZe was playing same Counter Strike half of year and dominated everyone
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bruv there is literally not a single person which would agree with you why degster should go to liquid, just accept you're just biased cuz ur prob fan of degster and cant think
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nevermind, russian fakeflagger
you're actually repeating yourself so much it's panful. u're acting like just because Degster is aggressive he can't physically play passive style if situation requires it. he has way better stats playing aggressive awp than oSee while baiting. YEKINDAR and Degster can choose to play aggro some rounds together, get an entry or in the worst case scenario get traded by Degster or YEKINDAR and gain info and they have mechanical skills to succeed more than 50% of the times. but they don't have to do it every round, they can play aggro very rarely.
Degster is levels ahead of oSee mechanically and he can play passively and outfrag oSee every day of the week. it's not even close. stop fanboying for that fraud and admit that he can't compete with Degster lol.
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wont even read you're 2dumb for me just accept that egoster wont get into a good team soon, teams already are getting their players off season and guess what degster isnt one of them
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only reason liquid don't drop oSee is because of "NA IDENTITY" and Degster being Russian. if you think oSee is better player than Degster as an awper then u're just delusional.
and yeah he has ego and maybe a little too toxic but you kept talking about how he wouldn't fit in Liquid because he is too aggressive, which is total bullshit because he can choose to not play aggro and get more kills than oSee lol. he can change his playstyle but oSee can't change his skills and won't start fragging anytime soon.
/closed
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if you think teams arent picking up egoster because of some dogshit excuses then you are out of your mind. No one wants him cuz he is toxic 0iq animal with his 0iq playstyle which with his personality made 2 teams that had to remove him.Tbh he would fit perfectly with yekindar, not because of his playstyle but for personality, as for roles ye yekindar patsi and degster combination is most reta*ded one i have heard for a long time. Lets remove support for agressive awper and make rainwaker (tier 3unproved bot) do supporting for 3 agressive players GREAT IDEA
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Cloud9 is a full Russian team
lmao
Tim
Naf
Elige
Yeki
Osee/Degster
I wanna see this
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Who is Tim?
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Autimatic
auti
idk what people see in him.. he's toxic and baits a lot for the kills.. what makes him popular?? If you meet him in faceit as soloQ you would straight away go to reddit after the game and cry for everyone how everyone is toxic and how faceit is terrible.. another typical russian god wanna be
The best team to join for him
But they will have to deal with his giant ego
tbf, degster was always clear about his intentions and have never hinted at any other playstyle or tried to make it look like something its not. To his teams loss obviously but atleast hes honest with wanting to be the hero of the team. I dont think liquid climb teh rankings with him, hes going to get his stats and be kicked only after someone like elige or whoever replaces nitro will.
Lol, nice reference 😂
Dogster
I can't see the tweet.. what it says?
In all honesty, where else could he feasibly go?
Liquid need an AWP'er that is putting up better numbers than oSee but then again, Liquid are practically a dying team anyway and therefore, I don't actually know if that is a good move for Degster despite looking like the best move on paper.
YEKINDAR, NAF and Degster would be on the same team at the same time... that's definitely mental in terms of the firepower output but that wouldn't automatically fix all of Liquid's problems at the same time.
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Replacing Torszi is a pretty good trade-off, as he has been underperforming or not really performing to the expected standard for a while now.
I worry that he nor MOUZ would amount to the same successes as OG or even Liquid but it's definitely possible; however that would mean that Dexter is likely to stay as tutelage for Degster.
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True but he's on EF now.
finally someone who knows CS
Liquis future depends on their motivation. Nitro was not training much because he is done and have hids, but YEKINDAR mentioned that other players hungry for winning and coming back at the top. Also, degster joining Liquid will fire the flame in their eyes, they dont need to be scared anymore that AWPer will miss ez shots
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I can see that. :)
It's up to Degster and I guess Liquid if they want to risk Degster, who has a reputation for being toxic.
Don't think they will sign a Russian
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They already did
they won't cause of 2 reasons:
1) you know why
2) his ego
Why would degster downgrade tho
Please no. If liquid signs degster, means they needa sign another NA rifler. To qualify for events they need to maintain 3 NA core players. The only reason I can see them kick osee is if they add degster and sign back stewie. But WHY TF WOULD LIQUID DO THAT. Like osee is literally the only NA awper that shown results in tier 1 and i doubt getting a new NA rifler would be good. COL aint selling grim or teams dead. There arent any NA rifler options. Faze aint selling russel. End of story
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brehze is not bad
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and NAF bro 🥵
—> Tyloo
Did you know that Liquid must have 3americans players to hold NA slots for big tournaments qualification like major.
If they +degster -oSee -nitr0, they will have to
find an NA lig omegalul
LIQUID CIS TEAM
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no
OSEE > DEGSTER
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