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Perfect time to enable PPV for CS:GO and see, where our landscape stands
(Probably they will still allow those for BIG brands, but grassroots tournament organizers welcome to YouTube)
dumb it down for me i dont get this what classifies as an ad and wtf does burned in mean
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Lmao at Loba
Based humble ignorant making the questions I wanted to make
Valve needs to make big events and majors payperview, have major on steam broadcast, make it profitable for once
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good idea if you want 14 people watching. if they do that many will just watch an illegal stream. this isn't as popular as boxing of UFC.
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escharts.com/games/csgo
mmahive.com/ufc-viewership-statistics/
csgo has more viewers than ufc and boxing, plus valve can give you shit for paying like pickems and sprays and souvenir cases.
For a couple bucks it is always profitable to buy viewership pass to major, because in 1-2 years your souvenir case is worth more than $5. The only problem with ppv is that 7 year olds cant watch major but boohoo csgo is rated m
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you're missing the point. and your stats are flawed. nowhere near as many people would watch CSGO if they had to pay to watch. Many CSGO fans are young and will not pay. And idk if you really looked through that data (or read that link at all) but it in now way shows that CSGO has more viewers than UFC.
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“We need more children for our gambling, vodka, and us army ads!”
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i don't understand the point you're trying to make here
Valve events are more than profitable, they do a shitton of money through major stickers.
Btw, I don't understand all this ppv thing that users sells like it's the way to fix the scene. Twitch has ads and some people pay to get no ads during the game, so directly or indirectly everyone is paying to see the games and other streamers like gaules pay like 5 digits or more money to get rights so...
If the esports are not sustainable is because braindead investors expected to be into 1 billion industry by now.
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That money goes to Twitch and the tournament organizers (PGL, BLAST, etc. (its why Blast always throws ads for their website to watch, it lets them cut out Twitch as the middle-man)), neither of which deserve the money, it should be redirected into the scene either to Valve or players/team organizations.
The issue with profitability in esports is that the money isnt reaching the orgs or players enough, so further monetization seems like a easy solution which is why many people agree with it.
The issue is not investors, stop coping.
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Players in T1 gets 10-40k per month easily and that's one of the main problems, don't know why you want more money for them, when the ones having problems are the orgs not the players.
Twitch is the middleman that gets money because they do all the broadcast/server thing, so it's obvious you have to pay them, another thing is that they have a monopoly and take more share than they should, but the rest of the money goes to the channel.
Bte, you can see it here how people complaints about ad blocks on twitch when you can rid of the ads by paying, but they don't.
Small streamers that gets 1-5k people makes enough money to pay for event rights and have average salary, maybe they should hire less people and do less flashy lights if they are not sustainable, but I'm sure that blast, pgl...are sustainable enough
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Players do not get 40k a month easily. Stopped reading at that.
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Best orgs can pay 40 and "worst" pay 10k while the rest pay inbetween don't know how hard to get is that and why do you guys want more money for players who gets those, plus big part of stickers and events money and they have flights, hotels and expenses paid...
I don't know who baits harder if you or the swedish guy
10-40 for the average tier 1 player is completely wrong. The average team is not Cloud9.
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Its not bait you’re just uneducated, literally just google it, plenty of pro salaries are public information you dumbass. No idea what you think you’re doing making up random number and assuming most tier 1 pros make 120k a year lmao, guessing you’ve never been employed?
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i would support this if the money went into the prize pool, but knowing valve they wouldnt do that so no thanks
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Isnt dota functioning that way? Starcraft2 had war chests where 50% went to pools and even that 70x.smaller community, raised like 1 mil.
Imho its good idea. If they include 2% market fee and 50% bundles prize pool will be huge. Stickers can go to teams so they can survive and everyone are happy. Even Volvo wouldnt lose a lot profits
Bad idea.
Maybe 360p for free and 360-1080p for Coin holders
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Audio-only - free
bronze coin - 360p
silver coin - 720p
gold coin - 1080p
diamond coin - 4k 60fps
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of course ads are failing in twitch, what were they thinking when they decided playing 2 unskippable 30s ads? everyone is dodging them with adb0cks and brave browser
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2 would be very generous from Twitch. Every time I've gotten ads on Twitch, I've had 9-13 unskippable 30 second ads. Absolutely fucking unbelievable.
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jesus, that should be a crime, like i said use adb0ck or brave browser
adbl0k you got to constantly update it thats the reason im using brave just for twitch, dont want the hastle of changing everything to a new browser
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I only use Twitch to watch CS:GO games (unless there is a YouTube stream) and I do use adblockers, though they don't work 100% of the time. But yeah, the amount of ads is just fucking unreal.
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use brave for twitch, trust me, i know i sound like a broken record but i despise ads and you get none with brave
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Yeah I'll give it a try, thanks for the suggestion!
since they take like 50% of subscriptions for a streamer it was quiet a ripoff already
I could understand 10%. Maybe 20% if u wanna be generous
crazy how twitch is becoming a worse platform yet every day and there are no better alternatives cause kick is basically owned by stake and currently weirdos stream on it
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kick is still better even if its a website for degenerates. i can go on kick with no adblockers and never see a single ad, and the streams run perfectly at 1080p 60fps. meanwhile i have 3 adblockers specifically for twitch and still sometimes get ads, and streams struggle to run at 720p 60fps.
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i just gave up on ad block. on my browser I can pop up the small muted screen they put when ads are playing and unmute the audio from it when ads are playing, otherwise I just leave or come back later
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Better have 10000 real fans spending real money than 2 mill plastic fans who want everything for free and burn the sponsors. We could have real good events and conversations then. I dont care about a 14 year old zoomer spaming twitch chat baits on hltv forums and never spend a dime on cs eco system besides gambling and skins.
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bro no offense but u are absolutely clueless if u really think that anyone would prefer that and that it would work out
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you argue under the premise that the cs eco system should stay this way and implying only bigger and more expansive is the way to go?
I think it would work, just scaled down.
Western economics inject in us from the childhood that only bigger and constant growth at all costs is what success means.
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Accessibility = exposure = attractiveness for sponsors for advertisement and faster growing community
CS is not profitable right now and like that it would immediately die
A business based on sport events is not comparable to economics of service or production companies.
To be absolutely honest Valve should invest more money in esport since they earn an insane amount of money with the case gambling and that should be more than enough to sustain a great experience without relying on betting or other sponsors that much
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I think they should propose some Premium content + some other things for people who wants more/wants to support the industry. but imo the redline is having to pay to see the game, I don't think it's a good model.
People will just go on pirate stream like we all do for traditionnal sports, viewership will be terrible
They can try something like this
Free stream > basic/no commentary & basic hud Hud
Ppv > top production stuff(including crowd reaction etc) + prem commentary + a pin or something.
You have 10$ in-game item, every Major bought by many just because it has pickems - it's doable if done right.
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That bring new viewership, good luck finding new viewer for a product that isn't so popular compare to traditionnal sports if you have to pay to see it. And it still bring money.
I think we can fin a middle ground where people pay for some premium content/features (and more things that I can't think of) but watching the game should stay free
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yeah that is the only kinda acceptable way if the free stream has similar quality to what it is already
Everything else economic suicide and damage to their image
Thats good CCT in shambles then and all will go on YT which is better than twitch anyway
i get annoyed bcs they get around 2 adblocks somehow and very often now i just get 4 ads in a row or some shit every 15 mins
i couldnt really care less whether some streamer can put his own ads on top of that are not. fuck ads, its a dumbass sales strategy of the past.
advertising causes need of therapy, system of a down sang about that 20 years ago
All the streamers cash cow gamble money in shambles.
Good but also bad for twitch. Who cares the big channels are garbage and the smaller good ones dont make living.
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lmao watching ads in 2023 lmaoo
i hope twitch dies and everybody switches to youtube.
f twitch tbh.
seems youtube get a lot of new viewers and streamers
But youtube Chat needs an update
Absolutely noone cares about those ads when Twitch has like 15 ads in a row 60 seconds each, such a dumb fucking management
couldn't care less
dang give them a finger and they want the whole hand
Twitchs own Ads are already minimizing the screen to 2 cm for several minutes sometimes, but god forbid a creator wants to make some money.
Smooya needs his nuggs mens
Lol I love how people are like hahaha look at Twitter making people play for a premium mark. meanwhile twitch, amazon, is literally doing everything it can to get money back from this shit product. It's a shame Mixr didn't hold in there I feel like this would have been the time to just decapitate twitch then again Youtube could easily do that with a few changes.
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sure I don't mind pirating ppv
Until YouTube gets a proper "theater mode" that brings chat + video feed into a compact well thought view for livestreaming (as big video feed vs as big chat feed vs no extra unnecessary bullshit space around it) there's sadly no better option. Twitch has perfected the theather mode view, also often allows multiple streams in the same window through squadstream for conveniency that I often use as well.
zach bussey, what a name lol
People crying about something that they think are owed by default lmfao. It's their site. You pay nothing to use it and you want all benefits.
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yes it's their site to do whatever they want but their competitors offer better environment for creators and their sites are also free to use. Let's see what happens with time to twitch.
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Twitch is the biggest streaming site for gamers and YouTube has a similar policy so. They’re basically flexing their position with little competition to prevent them from operating as such.
Look at YouTube. People slowly moving to Rumble or alternate sites but it’s so established it’s not really creating an issue for them.
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