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What are your Unpopular Opinions / Hottest Takes? Can be about everything, let's just have a fun topic! with controversial opinions.
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Hello Mental_Case
when teams like Astralis are levels above everybody and the skill gap between teams is too high people say "It's not fun to watch, no competition" and then when every team can beat each other you're saying the same thing? I don't understand your expectations
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im not everyone so relax. Navi, G2, Faze, Heroic, VIT, C9, Liquid, Furia, NIP, Astralis, VP all your main stream teams are struggling and you dont know how each team will play from day to day G2 best team in the world one day and look like the worst team the next and that goes for most of the teams i listed. if that is fun to watch for you guys then idk. the games are over for most matches at the half.
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Well those teams just have good momentum and less good momentum so any T1 team can beat any other T1 team, doesn't mean that they are worst than before, that just mean that the overall level is toe-to-toe and the gaps are less visible.
Imo that's more fun because I see more crybabies loosing their money and saying that matches are rigged
He said unpopular or hot takes, not just completely wrong ones
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Most of the previous years were worse, actually just the fact that this year t1 team are losing to t2 proves that its closer than ever.
If for you better competition = prime Astralis winning 12 events in a row idk what to tell you lmao
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all top 20 teams
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my bad, even top 40 teams might win against them
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I think I might also have a chance at beating them with my 4k elo friends
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bait used to be better
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flag checks out
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fav player checks out🤡
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wondering if you'd say this to my face
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I would. You're not the tough guy you think you are.
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it's not about being tough,
it's more about getting smacked in the face for the shit you spit through your mouth. respect won't ever get you in trouble :)
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Wonder if you will still be able to talk shit from the hospital bed if you ever pull up🥱
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a dane talking shit LMFAO
haha acting like a tough guy online shows youre a huge loser
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Just find a rope
I'd say right now it's most competitive, the fact that literally any team in top 10 can win a tournament just shows how competitive it is, while when astralis was owning everyone and just not losing was obviously not very competitive, if it was competitive they wouldn't have had such a long era
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Or the game had gotten pushed to it's absolute limits so no team can realistically push it any further, and the 2013 is just a joke... People in tier 1 2015-2016 were playing as part time pros while having full time jobs or studying
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You kinda using competitive wrong which is why there is a lot of confusion, being "competitive" doesn't mean a high level of competition it means you are relatively close in competition to others. Talking about level of competition, you should say that instead of competitive.
So basically this - Astralis was the highest level of competition, and because they were that good, they were not competitive with most teams.
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I think 2014 was also definitely worse than this year as far as top competition goes. A lot of teams still didn't quite adjust their lineups and fnatic was only starting on the 2nd half of the year. NaVi still had starix, nip was playing with fiff, dig had fetish, LDLC had uzzziii, there were a few more that weren't that skilled (relatively speaking), and these teams were top5 mid year.
If you think about overall competition, meaning tier2 and tier3, then 2023 is likely the highest level we had in these lower tiers, the player pool has grown considerably and there is a lot of upcoming talent and veterans coming together. 2018 had a higher skill peak though that much is clear, probably a few more other years too over 2023.
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2014 is for sure one of the 2 years(other for me is 2020 only due to it being online) i had in mind could be worse than 2023 thats why it is a hot take, the problem with 2014 is that the first half of the year was kinda mediocre, vp winning then going avg, titan being good then bringing kennys who was insane but somehow they still couldnt win, but the second half after fnc changes they became that fnc and thats what is carrying 2014 for me if 2023 would end like it is right now i would put 2014 over it, but if we see 1 of the top teams right now massively improving i can see it happen, the problem with 2023 is that the cs2 is coming out the the level competition will just be lower because of that
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Vita came into the Major right after winning Rio. They are also consistently one of the biggest favorites going into every single T1 event. What kinda logic do you have to call it a fluke exactly?
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yes paris wasnt the fluke in terms of team winning it, since vitality were indeed a favourite, but it was a fluke with all other teams, or are we going act like every single team that played in paris showed us exactly what they were capable as a team?
anyway my point is not even about major flukes, its about level of competition, what 1 tournament out of many in the year has to do with that?
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Prime Astralis would.have lost to most of modern tier 1 teams
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yes they would, but u dont compare teams/players from different time lines to each other because u cant do that, they would never play each other and would never be in the same meta, but u can compare them to the other players/teams they had to play.
Let me give u example is this ropz a better individual player than coldzera?
yes he is, would he demolish the scene if he was put in 2016? yes he would
but did he accomplish the same thing in any year he played what coldzera did in his time? no he didnt, he simply wasnt good enough
did any team this year played near perfect cs relative to their meta as astralis did back in 2018? we have 6 months still, but we dont have to lie to each other, it wont happen
there is no team this year which is at their individual peak and tactical peak, so why level of competition is higher then?
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Not one team is quite at that peak, that is correct. However, we are talking about the state of CSGO pro scene as a whole, not about one team, and the average skill level is way higher today than it was in 2018. And the closeness in skill level is also the reason why not one team can get such a dominant run anymore, because there is too much pressure from the other teams and you can't afford even small slip-ups anymore.
Astralis were absolutely dominant in their era, but they did have their ups and downs - they were not just robotically perfect all the time, no matter what delusional Astralis fans like to say. It's just that there was no one good enough to even challenge them at their worst most of the time. Nowadays, though? A single mistake is often the difference between reaching a tournament final and getting dropped out. Back then, there was 1 clear favorite to win, maybe 2-3 teams that could challenge them a bit if they got luck on their side. Nowadays, any of the top 10-15 teams could win a top-tier tournament, and the next 30-40 teams would still make the final challenging for them. Tier 1 isn't the top 3-5 anymore, but more like Top 20-30.
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i think so we disagree what higher level of competition mean for both of us. For u obviously like u said its more of higher avg level of skill, which is true due to there being more teams who could put up a fight, but for me it is the peak of best teams in that year and in 2023. There is no team which is close to being being as good as astralis for example, either in terms of skill or tactics. We could argue that g2 had their moment at the start of the year in terms of individual skill or heroic through the entire year with their tactics since all teams try to play like them, but astralis was at peak in both of these. Thats what makes this year for me lower level of competition for sure than 2018. There is no team that lives to their expectation even for 2 months and astralis could do that for almost the entire year.
That said i think its prefference if u either take a peak or avg level.
No.
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No offense, but I think you're mistaken about what "competitiveness" means.
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The teams are 10x better than they were back then, way more tactical with higher skill gap + have time to play way more... But yes even if they were worse, you're still thinking of competitiveness in the wrong way
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yes time doesnt exist, players dont become worse, what even is that point? with that logic if u were to create 10 best teams of all time, u would put present hltv top 10 ranking. Is ur eye test just that bad or did u not watch the teams i mentioned? either way u are embarassing urself even more
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Considering Device just got highest rating just in last event, dupreeh and magisk are doing well in vitality and xyp9x could've been replaced, so why the fuck was Astralis so dogshit before selling device, magisk and dupreeh + their coach? If they were so good and not a single team caught to them tactically, why were they struggling so hard with 3 solid star players and the "tactical mind" behind the team that was so ahead of every other igl
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They didn't magically just get worse, and then better... Its about how you utilize them correctly that they don't get countered so hard, which is a result of advancing in tactics and other stuff that has evolved over time, it has evolved so much from that 2018 astralis, literally every team is running similar nade setups from that time but just better versions of them with even more tactical depth. 2018 Astralis was just a blueprint for what the game has become today. I genuinely don't know if you even ever watched Astralis or you are just basing this off of just the hype that they used to have
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All that text and you read none of it, in shorter version their skill level didn't get worse, they just didn't keep up with the meta and didn't evolve with it like the others as we can see with device literally topping the last event in stats and magisk + dupreeh both playing quite decent
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thats not how it works lol, just because u follow or dont follow the meta it doesnt affect ur individual skill level as a player, yes it affects results of ur team, but simple eye test will tell u that all these players played worse individually in 2020 than in 2018, xyp9x not winning every clutch is meta? dupreeh not being best entry after niko in the world is meta? gla1ve not being fragging igl is meta? magisk not being the doppelganger of prime krimz is meta?
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Its not just meta, its that everything else just evolved around them, players got better and things got more competitive, its not that they got worse its that others got better. Its really not a hard thing to understand
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So a guy who hasn't watched a pro CS:GO match since 2013 and doesn't understand what the word "competitive" means is angry about not understanding a simple idea, gg wp
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So we have been posting stuff for multiple hours and you haven't read a single thing I've said... Why even start a conversation in the first place if you're just gonna blatantly ignore literally everything I say
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Ok sorry, I didn't realize you were baiting til now
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Astralis era was not competitive, it was just Astralis winning everything
Level of teams over time has gone up on average, pro interviews confirm this, individual player skill confirms this. Its also easy to see from the outside. No one who came before s1mple was as good as him. Zywoo was better than everyone before him except s1mple. B1t, m0nesy, sh1ro had debut years in tier1 well into the top10 players of that year, Zywoo debuted at #1. That sort of talent pipeline was never seen before. It would’ve been unheard-of for a random tier2 team to power up and have a player go head-to-head with players like Niko and Zywoo (iM, GamerLegion).
More players over time = more better players, and statistically probably higher peaking players. This is not arguable.
You can claim that tactics have never been as good as they were during Astralis era. On the other hand, utility has been basically revolutionized for every team, since they could see Astralis. Sure, the peak may not have been as high, but now teams like ENCE and Heroic have built new tactical styles including a lot of what Astralis did, the average tactical capability of the top10 is much higher, because before basically only Astralis had that high level.
Competition depends on the overall level of teams, and their level compared to each other. The average level of teams has undoubtedly increased, and you yourself have admitted that teams are much closer now. Most people would agree that it makes for more interesting competition, and you’ve not really countered that in any part yet
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"Astralis era was not competitive"
astralis era was so competitive, it pushed so many teams and players to change the meta in attempt to beat them, one of the most competitive mindsets the scene ever had at that time, liquid became a team who would run over all teams in 2023 and they couldnt win vs astralis, was that era not competitive if they pushed a team like liquid to became that good at that time?
"Level of teams over time has gone up on average" maybe for t2 teams, for t1 teams players, analysts, etc say it became worse
"No one who came before s1mple was as good as him" overall? yes because thats how it works, overall all newer players will always be better, everything evolves, thats why in sports the world records are being beaten, but realitive to their competition? i disagree, kennys in 2014 was something which was only replicated by s1mple couple years later
"More players over time = more better players, and statistically probably higher peaking players" why was the peak of individual players in 2021?(rifle-niko, goat-s1mple)
" Sure, the peak may not have been as high, but now teams like ENCE and Heroic have built new tactical styles including a lot of what Astralis did" astralis not only was the best tactical team, they were the best individual team, when i cant say that about ence/heroic, after all they are losing to teams which are tactically worse than them.
"Most people would agree that it makes for more interesting competition", if most ppl would think that, then this major would beat the records
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You really seem to know nothing about what competitive is.
Astralis was dominating all other teams.
Now teams are closer than ever before cuz players and teams are much better than they were a few years ago.
The more we have teams winning each other just proves that the scene is more competitive than ever.
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yes thats how evolution work u do realise that, right? literally every esport, every sport works like this, but guess what u dont compare the teams and the players to each other, but to their respective competition they were in, if comparison worked like u want it to work, best top 20 players of all time would be probably the top20 list from 2021 because thats when peak of individual skill was achieved by players and ppl like cold would not even be in that top 20 then
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Bro what. Literally 2023 everyone is better than 2021.
You are so lost. "Peak" individual skill is way higher now than it was 2 yrs ago.
Competition was weak 2021 and navi was dominating -> simple had high rating.
Players play now vs much higher competition so 1.35 would be like 1.40 if we went back 2 yrs.
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"Bro what. Literally 2023 everyone is better than 2021.", eye test, analysts, players, results prove otherwise, what is right? all these things or random like u? if u say shit like this out of ur ass, when all other things are pointing that u are wrong, let me ask u a question, which team would have a chance vs 2021 navi and why, in what aspect: individual skill, tactics,
accomplishments?
"You are so lost. "Peak" individual skill is way higher now than it was 2 yrs ago."
once again the same thing, when all ppl say we had best player ever? s1mple 2021, when we had best rifler ever? niko 2021,
Prove it to me why zywoo this year had a bigger peak than s1mple and which rifler this year was even close to niko?
"Competition was weak 2021 and navi was dominating -> simple had high rating.", doesnt mean the level of competition was low, navi had a very high peak through the entire year, which team this year is even close to achieving what navi did that year? thats what i thought
"Players play now vs much higher competition so 1.35 would be like 1.40 if we went back 2 yrs." another assumptions, excuses, once again when analysts or even players say t1 teams are worse this year, why are u right? thats what i thought
jesus u pulled out 4 fuckin false points out of ur ass and u didnt even bother trying to prove them because u knew they are all false, i aint talking to u anymore, u proved that u didnt understand a single thing that i wrote and didnt even watch matches, but came back with this bullshit, cya
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Have you noticed how literally everyone disagrees with you?
You are the one making claims such as 2k21 was more competitive / players were better back then while you have literally zero things to back it up.
The average rating per player on top 20 teams is higher than it has ever been. The tactics and teamplay are at its peak. Its literally down to individuals having good or bad day that decides the outcome of matches.
Find me these analysts saying the competition or players are worse. Oh right, you cant.
Teams are more equal than ever, basically every team has players that can simply just take over the game and go full 1v5 when they are feeling themselves.
New players like m0nesy peak performing, old players like device reaching new heights.
Navi was dominating on a year without any competition, faze was shambles, g2 was not performing, vitality was useless.
So before you come @ me and literally everyone else who owns half a braincell you'd better actually get your facts straight.
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In defense of this guy, the evolution of sports aren't a straight line up, it have some tops and bottoms, with tops each time higher and etc, but isn't straight
In Major Rio 2022, a lot of teams downgraded as fuck
NiP of 2021, with dev1ce, was way better than NiP of 2022
NAVI with an IGL was way better than with sdy
Furia with VINI way better than with Drop
ENCE and Spirit, without Spinx and Degster, they star-player
I disagree with him, i think that the teams are pretty good rn, waaaay better than 2022, but i also think that the evolution of competition isn't that simple
Well I have to disagree with you actually, you say that the improvement at the top is always growing (number 1 team), I would say that there is a skill ceiling that you are ignoring when you say that every top team today is better than 2018 Astralis.
If your thought process is right, you mean to say that players don't get worse but actually everyone else gets better, so coldzera isn't actually worse than 2016, but every other player that has better stats than him today is better, so 300+ players better than coldzera 2016 form is what you are implying.
I'd say it makes a heck of a lot more sense that eventually the improvements at the top are extremely small and players lose form, same as teams. There are a lot more better tier2-3 etc. teams that much is clear, but exponential growth for top1 team or player seems to be illogical.
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Ye I just cut things a bit short the way I said that. But yes what I mean is thah the top players are better now than years ago etc. We are at the peak of skill right now in a way that its almost impossible for anyone to improve over others so much that they would just dominate all other teams.
Teams are not "worse", lol. Today everybody has a chance to defeat anybody because the whole CS scene is very stuffed and competitive. Now we have a lot of super strong players in so many different teams that every single match between those team is purely unpredictable (and that's great!). Back in 2018, there was no competition: Astralis win everything, that's it (if not Astralis, than Liquid).
And ofc the level of CS have risen tremendously, so I can easily say 2023 teams >>> 2018 teams
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If we take them out current time, and place them 4-5 years back in time, YES obviously lmao.
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even if this were true (it's not), yes.
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as others have said, you don't understand what competitiveness means.
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i mean u can judge the year relative to their previous and next year based on eye test, like right now we can all see that teams in 2022 played better than this year, u can do the same thing with 2022 to 2021, etc. thats one way to do it, it is way easier to judge it that way than just simply put together year 2014 and 2023 together.
Nah, 2021 was much worse
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when niko became good, he was the only competition for navi, which was also at the end of 2021, and niko's team also wasnt that good
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not just g2, but all teams were getting better through the entire year, all were pushed by navi, thats why at the end of the year we saw the highest level of competition, because the teams very evolving all the time, meanwhile this year level from the start is literally descending thats why in my opinion this year is not competitive at all
“Competitive” and “NaVi alone” aren’t really compatible.
Competitive means that there is meaningful competition, a fight for who will win. NaVi won everything without anyone putting up much of a fight. That is the opposite of competitive. On the other hand, this year has had tons of different teams win trophies. Which means it was very competitive. Whether you think the teams are better or worse is subjective (I would argue teams in 2023 are much better than in 2021, with the exception of NaVi), but undoubtedly the level of mutual competition is WAY higher in 2023
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we're definitely in weird times but not the lowest level
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The last good year was 2021, were Navi was dominating, and to challenge them, you needed to create a hella good cs...
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Competition is a wrong word for it but I agree CS level has fallen so much, teams making so many mistakes, so many easy duels lost. I doubt anyone could defeat prime Astralis rn, they made so few mistakes, every round was close to perfect.
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Cobblestone, while not a bad map, is not nearly as great as many people make it out to be, and doesn’t necessarily need to return anytime soon if we get other good maps instead
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+1 soo many people were complaining about this map when it was in the pool.
it is still fun but in pro matches it was stale.
+1 Cobblestone has always been scuffed and doesn't need to return
me and my friend always discuss this, I didn't play much cs back then compared to him but everyone has nostalgia of that map
everyone was complaining about rotations for t's while cts could walk 2 steps and be on the other side, everyone was whining about it being unbalanced and really ct sided and all of a sudden now everyone wants it back and says it was a great map lol
+1 only reason people say it should come back is nostalgia, back when it was removed everyone always bitched about how terrible it was
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also trash map
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train is a bigass map where you have to have an awp
its also extremely ct side and the aug and kreig era made it even more cancer
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i actually do agree
train was actually a pretty puggy map and was interesting when teams like navi or astralis played it by I really don't remember seeing a train game that wasn't super one sided (except for nrg vs astralis which was a fucking banger)
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+1 cbble was fun to play, but not competitive at all.
Hot take because Cbble actually is a bad map for high level competitive play (was fun to play it as a gold nova 3 back in the day though :) )
P1mp, maniac and banks are the top 3 worst talent lineup to chose off
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most true comment in this thread
only thing hot about that take is that you didn't include Anders
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Anders is a teddy bear tho
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Sadly yes, and a (hype man) according to blast and esl
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Put him in overtime or smth, not as a hype man, or a desk host.. cuz thats the 2 places where hype is needed.. its like asking mahone to cast out of nowhere
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^^ and pimp is mediocre not worse than other people who are hired
i actually like pimp and maniac, they are quite articulate unlike some analysts *cough* mauisnake.
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nt chcimíre, go to lie down on the court room's floor
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In what way does it support it? And what would be your approach to the issue?
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By spreading society. Once these ruski bots who thinks they are fighting against russia spread the society to the extend there will be civil war they will realize it. But it will be too late, because we will all use azbuka or speak chinese.
Solution: Connect society, discuss, dont censor anything.
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Idealy yes, but reality shows it's házení hrachu na zeď, no matter how much you'll discuss these people will always be against commons sense because they lack basic logic and critical thinking skills, therefore what makes sense to you is western lies to them. In every society there is a bunch of bitter weirdos who are against everything, sure you could convince a few of them but resources spent for that would exceed the gain, hence memeing them or not won't make any difference.
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If you want to convince someone who has different opinions, you dont start with facts and insulting each other as majority of "critical thinking people" do. Its not "házení hrachu na zeď" when even black guy can convince 200+ KKK members to leave and become someone who is respected by current KKK members. It just takes time and patience.
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Ofc I wish it would be the case obviously nobody listens though insults, but in practice, how do you want to discuss with them? They don't acknowledge respectful official sources, will you hijack their demonstrations or hack their source of Moscow paid dezinfo websites? It's been so over explained by this time it's impossible not to understand unless you willingly turn the blind eye.
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Good start would be not to use labels like "frustráti, dezoláti etc." and give them more space in discussions in mainstream media. I am not surprised they are pissed off when mainstream just points fingers on them, blame them by association whilst someone like Last generation are getting much more publicity even though they block essential street for hospitals and can directly cause death of someone + there are not even 100 people on their demonstrations.
Its just unfair and they have to air it somehow.
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Oh I'm all up for that but I guess it would end up like this stream.cz/ptam-se-ja/muze-rusko-za-mrtve..
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They just lack the entirety of western propaganda and brainwashing. For sure it is of a different flavour but at least they get some truth chucked in there every so often. Repeating lies all the time has its downside too
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i get the overall thing of mainstream ideology appearing to be neutral but in reality hostile to outsiders, etc. but it's weird to me that something like green deal to you comes back to geopolitical beefs--there's a lot of degrees of separation between [right vs wrong] and ["doesnt benefit russia/china" vs "benefits russia/china"].
G2 would win Stockholm 2021 if they didn't choke Nuke (not only talking about the unlucky deagle shot)
GamerLegion has to prove that the major wasn't a fluke
CS wouldn't devolp as much without covid + NA would have a lot more players/teams without covid
G2 wouldn't win Katowice 2023 + Blast if Rain didn't miss the spray on Nuke
Rio 2022 wouldn't be a shitty torunament if Furia won the whole thing
s1mple 1v4 Kato 2019 against Ence if successful would be the best play of history + graffiti
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XDDDDDDDDDD
It was more about Mirage than Nuke but ok
Stockholm itself could shake up NaVi
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+1 even tho I'm not a big fan of NaVi and s1mple, that moment hurts and makes me overthink it as well :(
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why remind me man
1) more like a warm take
2) how is that a hot take (though they probably wont get the chance to prove themselves before some key players go to another "t1" org)
3) how is that a hot take
4) ok thats a hot take, wouldnt go that far personally
5) thats a hot take because there would still have been a lot of matches where there just was no crowd and also there was enough spitting at furias opponents as is
6) not a hot take until the graffiti part, because they still would have lost the final, astralis just was too good, and I am not sure if valve would have given them the graffiti without winning the whole thing
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1) doesnt matter if its cold, warm, beautiful or colorful
2) unpopular opinion cuz people overhype them af
6) so what that they would lose :/ it easily would have been at least top3 play of all time
Electronic and perfecto should leave Navi asap and join a Russian team and simple should join an international team.
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"blameF is the problem of Astralis"
Commonly known, not really controversial. This is why rumors suggest he's getting replaced asap with stæhr.
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blameF is rent-free in your head.
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You got cooked by Richard Lewis, absolutely embarrassing. I'd never use HLTV again if I were you.
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oh no, edgy mentally unstable man who can't shower even for a camera said something bad about me, oh no....
Is he really down bad that much? I haven't seen him since his mental health declined, it's just unpleasant to watch and his business model is kinda just throwing shit at everything and yelling how he's the smartest and everyone else is stupid....
So yeah, you assumed I care for RL? If he has something to say he can say it like a man, but he's just being edgy for views....
Also, not to anyone's surprise, you and me are not similar so no, I will keep on using this site. Edgy man saying bad things is just another day for him, can't even say good day to his own mother.
It's weird that your strat to talking is just to try to bully people into silence.... That's really the lowest level of conversations one can have..... Imagine being that level of rent free celeb worshipper to do that....
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The skill gap between tiers is almost non existent
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thats because you are making bad tier lists lil bro
The biggest difference between tier 1 and tier 2 is the amount they get payed.
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thats the reason
zywoo is the real goat
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+1 hopefully he steps up in cs2 and really shows everyone his talent
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Do you think competitive form and skill ceiling don't exist? Is s1mple in 2023 a better player than in 2018?
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Easiest way to compare players from the past is just not to compare them directly.
Lets take Get_right vs ropz.
Direct comparrison ropz is 10x better because the game has evolved.
But if you compare get_right in 2014 to krimz, byali, nbk, swag. And the other top20 players of the year
and compare ropz to ax1le, kscerato, twistzz, b1t and the other top 20 pros (2022)
You can see that gtr was a more dominate player as he was higher above his peers than ropz was to ropz' peers.
Thats the correct way to compare players from different periods. Though you are right you can just not do it
the community of valorant got extremely mad because of this guy:
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I think people really don't have to compare these games while they can play both games and have fun with friends.
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My comment got removed and I didn't even give a take lol.
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REAL unpopular/hot take opinions:
the level of cs isnt low right now, its just all the teams are at similar high levels so it seems like there isn't one team who isn't way above the rest
2019 liquid wasnt an era and were going to lose to astralis in berlin, player break or not
awping is literally easier than rifling which is why more often than not the top player in the world is an awper because its so easy to pad stats with
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>awping is literally easier than rifling which is why more often than not the top player in the world is an awper because its so easy to pad stats with
Last year there was only 6 awpers in top 20 players. So if it was easier all the awpers would stat pad but there are only a couple who can
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it's fucking boring with DRS too
I always laugh when I see casters go fucking apeshit monkey hype when they see a DRS overtake like bro, one guy has an artificial 45kph advantage and the other has absolutely no way to defend, the "overtake" was done before the braking point. It's boring as fuck.
dota2 requires most overall skill among all esports.
also csgo basically requires no skill if you know how to approach a team based game and have a good setup.
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dota requires knowleage of every hero in the game and their abilities. Skill is the second factor in the game.
Cs requires skill, because even if you are the best at team play, the other guys will just shoot you in the head because they have the skill to do so. To be good in cs you need skill and teamplay/knowleage of the game mechanics)
Yeah Dota2 is pretty hard, especially if we take into the account all the shit they added during last few years
zywoo not even top 3 in the goat conversation
this is a hottake only for zywoo delusional fans
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flair
other than device, and s1mple who would you put at third then?
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f0rest no doubt, legend of 1.6, even great in CSGO, won a major and stayed relevant even in his VERY LATE 20s
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Everything checks out
Did you just say race prejudice is not same as racism?
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math is cool
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Vitality run at major was more flukest than Outsiders / Gambit
Literally in plays-off faced 3 teams which werent even top 25 and they struggled all games
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They won Rio right before the major and beat Faze,Heroic,C9 and G2 in LAN bo3s before the major so they are capable of beating the other top ranked teams.Gambit and Outsiders didnt do pretty much anything before and after their major runs.
Though the major itself is definetly an outliar in terms of the rank of teams they played in the playoffs
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other way around
IF it wasnt for cats we'd All die of plagues and would never sail the oceans due to the shear amount of rats that used to be on the ships and eat all of the stuff on board
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Cats aren't doing it to save you, they are doing it to fill their tummies
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Sometimes for food, sometimes Just for the sake of hunting. The woman selling your bread to you does it for her pay not for the sake of you having bread. It does not matter what the motivation is as long as the transaction is mutualy benefitical
1. NaVi would've won antwerp finals easily by 2-1 if they didn't choke inferno (3rd map was ancient nad NaVi back then NEVER lost ancient)
2. Nuke is overrated and is a shit map
3. #117, except he's not even top 5
4. b1t is overrated af, all aim and 0 brain
5. apEX is a very good IGL, and is massively hated on by zywoo fans, only to make zywoo look better
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1.-3. flair
4. and 5. not hot takes
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doesn't prevent that 1-3 are very feasible possibilities. about nuke, i disliked it before I started watching cs so nothing to do with flair
p.s. flag btw
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1. is just "they would've won if they won" comment like every g2 fan has made of their choke on nuke. 2. flair to nuke because I thought you put it there because of how shit navi's nuke has been recently, but I agree it's not a good map but not overrated as many people don't actually like to play it. 3. goat status is determined by adaptability to current meta not past meta where the game was in a simpler state, that's why Diocles isn't in the goat athlete debate despite being the most well paid athlete of all time.
p.s. flag comment makes no sense, flair comment does
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1. as much as you're right, it's still kinda true, even tho its navi's fault for choking 2 map points
2. been a nuke disliker since the beginning lol
3. I elaborated my explanation in #194, it all boils down to the GOAT definition being very subjective, and it's fine to have your own definition of GOAT
p.s. I commented flag cause I guessed that you're most likely a ropz fan, hence a faze fan who maybe didn't like my first take (or I might totally be wrong here)
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yeah I think we both misunderstood each other and I came in with my own prejudices so I understand your points now.
p.s. yeah 90% of the time you're correct but estonians love nothing more than hating other estonians
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glad to know that this was discussed "peacefully", smth not so common on this website XD
damn, didn't know about hating other fellow Estonians thing XD, do you actually root for ropz tho?
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hence unpopular XD
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Wellp tbh I'll let 2 slide, because map preference is personal but 3 and 5... ZywOo isn't in goat discussion just because of the sample size and low winnings, but in his first 4 years he kept inhumane ratings, won a major, got back to back top-1 placements. Only s1mple and device can compare to him, he's definitely in top-5.
About apex, he's a decent igl for vitality, but looking at how random the team can be, how much they gamble... Imo apex is more than replaceable as an IGL, he's more important as a LEADER and face of vitality.
TLDR: 2 is a preference, 3 is objectively wrong, 5 is debatable
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about 3, GOAT debate is totally subjective, so I respectfully disagree about it being "objectively wrong". in my GOAT definition, I put a lot of emphasis on "all time", i.e. for how long can a player put up similar numbers. Sure, zywoo did great stuff since joining t1, but putting someone relevant for only 4.5 years in the GOAT debate doesn't feel right for me. i rather have dupreeh in my top 5 rn than zywoo, because apart from his enormous trophy cabinet, he has been in top 20 lots of times. right now, zywoo is 100% top 10 in my GOAT list, but I need to wait another 1-2 years to put him in top 5. But again, that's my goat definition, doesn't have to be matching with others.
about apex, he himself makes stupid moves and has a not-so-good aim I agree, but his overall calls are pretty good imo, and isn't more run-n-gun/luck oriented, smth that karrigan,hooxi,etc. like to execute very often. plus, he has been igling for like 4 years and even before 2022 he won couple of s-tier events with french rosters
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6. hobb0t needs to retire already, as a veteran he should motivate the young players and be more vocal, instead he keeps malding 75% of the time
My hottest take is: Most of the retired guys such as gr, forest, neo, etc will come out of the retriment and create teams to complete in cs2
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Yeah but there will be no success like when they tried in Dignitas
Major qualifiers should be played as a semi-virtual league where something like 64 teams all play against each other (or in two 32 team divisions maybe) once during the season (games played at other events will be counted towards the league at the teams' agreement) to determine the teams who will attend the major and a certain amount of teams who will be relegated to a closed qualifier (along with teams that got there through open qualifiers).
So place in the top24 of this league and you play in the Major, and if you are at the bottom then you have to play against the best open qualifier teams for a spot in the Major qualifying league nest season.
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So esl pro league major?
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EPL is not even a real league, just an extra-long tournament.
csgo is mad boring to watch, 70% of a pro game is a timeout, saving or just frozen. the old time based format instead of rounds would mostly fix that.
somewhat related, the economy of cs sucks. it defines cs, its always been there and will always be there, but its pointless and the game would be more fun without it
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Removing economy completely is an interesting take. It would definitely recude some game-like elements of the game and move it more towards consistency of regular sports. Not that it would necessarily make cs more interesting to watch, but certainly different.
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it would transform cs too much so it probably wouldn't even be a good change. but imo there isnt really any depth to it, no interesting mechanic. you just get a couple uneven rounds that are mostly uninteresting.
if cs were to be invented i would really hope it didnt include it.
30min match, 15min per side, whoever wins the most T rounds as a T during that time wins the game. no economy. pistols only for the first 3mins or something, then 2mins of smg/shotguns, then no limit rifles until the end. obviously values can be tweaked
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the game can be very boring to watch but good casters can make a boring game fun.
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No hate but rain looks like he aged 20 years since 2015
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why hate(((
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He still looks great, doesnt really matter but yeah he aged fast idk
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But the best pizzas are great. Still overrated tho.
valve know valorant is the superior game and so are actively copying things from riot
Being immortal would be amazing
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Women put a high value on themselves men don't. Simple as
guys like girls insanely more than girls like guys
one of the absolutely most fucked up things about our society today
girl simps don't really exist and girls will never truly be lonely
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I'm not sure a majority of women enjoy all the attention they get.
I think the disparity is mainly explained by how obsessed men are with sex, mostly young men.
And while, to some degree, it's healthy, i think that more and more men are behaving in an almost pathological way.
Good exemple would be onlyfans/bathtub streams. Those people would give money for 2 second of attention in a parasocial relationship.
Just to say that "They are loved unconditionally, but males are not." : the anormal part isn't that males aren't unconditionally loved, it's that women are because men keep hoping/expecting something in return from them.
AWP nerf was bad and it should be 10 bullets, also they should make it as powerful as it was pre-2015 just for fun
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they should bring back 2014 stats but remove double zoom
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that would actually be an interesting change, I wouldn't mind that
the current paradigm of existence of humankind is evolutionally aimed at simplifying our living which applies to every field be it technology, games, art or anything else
this development pattern will ultimately lead to degradation of mind and reversion of the evolution
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That isn't how evolution works, evolution is survival of the fittest, the most adept traits are what permeate the fastest because it allows those creatures to better survive in their environment, like a longer neck in Giraffes and Danish CS players etc. This isn't necessarily the case for humans anymore.
But society will definition stop progressing and will reach a dystopian state where there is the elite class and the peasant class with no representation and it will be due to people supporting shit like the EU, NATO, WHO etc because it gives power to people without representation and people are dumbed down and pacified to think that is a good thing.
team based competitive games are overrated as hell.ive played them for years and i wished i played 1vs1 games instead or any multiplayer game i can solo.Its easier to play in tournaments and i dont need a team or to rely on a team to succeed.if i can do it all over again i would in a heart beat.
team based games just consist of
-toxic as hell community
-teams or players really dont give you a chance at all
-the politics in cs is insane
-alot of fake people in the scene
-doesnt matter how good you are or how much knowledge of the game you have.nobody gives you a chance and your never going anywhere,
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One Piece is ass, on MyAnimeList it has a score of 8,69 and the fanbase is delusional.
I have seen all episodes, didnt see any films, didn't read manga. I am keeping up with the anime every week.
It is unfunny, boring, long, not epic at all, dumb.
Arcs ranked:
1. Whole cake 8/10 pretty nice
2. Dressrosa 6/10 Good
3. Summit War 5.5/10 Goated character dead (Bon Kurei)
4. East Blue 5/10
5. Water 7 4.5/10
6. Sky Island 4.5/10
7. Thriller Bark 4/10
8. Arabasta 3.5/10 ---- Drum Island 9/10 other 1/10
9. Wano 3/10
10. Fishman Island 1/10
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tbf on other animes one episode is like 3 manga chapters in one piece 1 episode is 1 chapter. So the anime is like 3 times longer than it needs to be lol
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Yeah I watched it at 2x speed otherwise i would die of boredom.
And actually i think it is made to watch at 2x speed because the dialogue is normal speed just more squeeky voices.
Your movie isn't doing terribly at the box office because "everyone is racist" you just made a terrible movie that no one wants to watch.
You race/gender/sexuality swapped characters because you thought all attention is good attention and you wanted to virtue signal about how progressive you are and improve your ESG score to get that sweet sweet free money (that is drying up now)
Then when everyone told you to fuck off your natural defence was to think of the thing people would hate to be called the most and called them it thinking it would guilt them into giving you money, you're a bad person.
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"unpopular"
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Eh, what's popular in the real world may not be what is popular on forums and social media.
If it were then I'd have to believe that reality mirrors leftist sites like reddit and 50% of the world just supports legalising the "MAP."
Thankfully it's not so it's always worth testing the water with a take that is reasonable to sane people but could be taken offence to by mentally ill people who find everything racist.
1. ZywOo is the undisputed GOAT (somehow an unpopular opinion)
2. elec is the one who made s1mple look good (somehow an unpopular opinion too)
3. s1mple is unable to perform in a dysfunctional team (somehow an unpopular opinion again)
4. s1mple isn't even top 3 in the GOAT debate (somehow an unpopular opinion again)
5. ZywOo is the greatest rifler of all time (somehow an unpopular opinion as well)
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Tell me you're young without telling me you're young
1. He is a strong contender but it will take at least few years to take the spot away from s1mple + it will be hard because NaVi had an era
3. 0/8
4. Who then? Cold? GTR?
5. Of all time? #291 says it all
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Nobody achieved something with hellraisers and Flipside. And he got carried by NaVi? He was the #1 when they were not even close to be the best team in the world, and playing against prime Astralis. HE was carrying NaVi, not the other way around. NaVi literally was the top 3 team just because of him
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True, nobody achieved anything because there was no GOAT players in those two teams (including s1mple, he was average compared to other good players back then). He got carried by NaVi, he didn't have any top20 placements until he joined NaVi, check it yourself, but looks like you prefer to ignore it. He had electronic in his team who is a decent player. NaVi was always a good team even without s1mple.
S1mple rent free in your head
minecraft is overrated,
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what about it ?
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what thread
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damn I didn't see the thread but I'm learning it from you...
Average day in France I guess
so what's your hot take about it ?
Till Lindemann did nothing wrong.
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Can't find a good English article. Basically women were systematically recruited to have sex with him before, during and after concerts. The women weren't told that this was the purpose of their recruitment and he allegedly often soiked their drinks. Multiple people have testified against him under oath and the Latvian police are investigating if he has actually raped someone.
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Yeah. I'm very disappointed, but not surprised at all.
Team fanboyism in couterstrike (and most esport) don't make any sense.
Most teams go through almost complete roster change every 3 or year. The only thing you're loyal to is a brand name.
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And yet Karrigan has been playing for Faze for like what, 2 years? rain is the only constant.
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EXACTLY LOL
can't stand the vitality fans in twitch chat omg
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People are not real
I refuse to believe that every face you have ever seen is conscious.
Either this is all a simulation of that god egg theory
1.6 > csgo
The US should not have anywhere close to 50 states and how many states we have causes political stagnation
feminism is a bullshit ideology
Germany could've won ww1 if they fought a defensive war in france
xantares is a top 5 rifler
junior is GOOD unironically
anubis is a top 5 map
the south should've had its borders heavily redrawn after the civil war and should've been territories of the US to rebuild for 2 decades
CSS cache is a top 3 map
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CS2 should nerf spraying and replicate 1.6 movement (no A-D spam, actually useful bhopping, slower movement)
karrigan isn't actually that great of an in-game leader, and is definitely NOT the GOAT, he's just blessed with some of the best clutchers in CSGO.
he makes so many calls that end up with broky, twistzz, ropz or rain in what should be a secure 3v1, 4v1, 2v1, but they end up winning it and break the economy, or regain momentum, etc.
When his stars don't have the insane clutches they often do, his weaknesses as a caller are really exploited because you watch them just run into meat blenders.
blast is much worse than esl
BlameF would be impactful on a better team
NATO and USA are biggest hypocrites
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I feel like its never in the convo of the best country in EU (Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Sweden) I feel like it has somewhat a status of a Eastern Europe country, sth like baltics. By life quality and just by using stats its one of the best countries to live in, great military, great leaders, well run political system, peaceful, idk I love Estonia but if there is a place that I would rather live more, then its Finland
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my friends from finland wheni send them like videos and pictures of eastern european nostalgia they relate to it much more than like rest of western eu and rest of nordics.
i feel like they have the fun and tranquility of an eastern european country whilst having the wealth of a western/northern european country.
i envy sm people born in finland, id love to move to it,. its my dream
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Group B rally were for men, WRC rally are for boys
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9z best team of entire America
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1. Hltv should not have given Zywoo #1 in 2020. It was extremely close between him and s1mple but s1mple is a better figure for being the face of the game. Zywoo has no personality and doesn't bring any interest to the game even when he has the spotlight.
2. Astralis with their boring playstyle in 2018 killed the viewership experience while s1mple did everything he could to save it.
3. Fallen was better than both kennyS and GuardiaN.
4. For the better part of 2019 and 2020 electronic was the best player in Navi.
5. Pimp made everyone feel sorry for him with the story about him selling hotdogs in stadiums. Now we have to suffer listening to him..
6. CS probably has the best casters across any game but most of the analysts are terrible. When pro players like cadiaN and xertioN joined casting in EPL you could see how much differently they looked at the game from the analysts.
I made a thread how cs PRO players and orgs are unprofessional and some people defend them. Funny as hell :)
hltv.org/forums/threads/2786376/there-is..
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