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Master’s Degree?
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United States PunishedEagle 
Let’s say hypothetically you attend a top world university in computer science. Like MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, Harvard, etc. If you had the opportunity to upgrade from a bachelor’s to a master’s degree by staying an extra year (5-year master’s degree in computer science) would you do it? Normally it takes 2 years. You can get another internship and work while finishing your master’s. So basically a master’s degree in computer science from a top university in only 5 years (1 extra year). Worth it and get internships and stuff? Or immediately work post-graduation?
2023-06-08 00:28
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Explain your decision too pls.
2023-06-08 00:28
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very risky.. who knows if this internet and computer stuff is still a thing in 5 years. people might just lose interest and go back to using typewriters and writing letters.
2023-06-08 22:13
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AI creates new jobs, it doesn’t just destroy You need computer researchers to control AI
2023-06-08 22:41
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nice try AI ..but we know what you're really up to
2023-06-08 23:15
ai will destroy wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more job than its going to create man.
2023-06-09 16:21
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United States Authentico
nah pay off student loans asap
2023-06-08 00:29
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No loans or debt
2023-06-08 00:30
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United States Authentico
don't participate in fan fics
2023-06-08 00:30
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If you are low income you graduate with no or little debt basically
2023-06-08 00:36
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Belgium Toesj
Why is that? Do you get scholarships if you're from lower income family?
2023-06-08 00:52
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If you are low income in certain states, you get full funding and money for university. Many people get scholarships as well. Universities like Princeton give free tuition to students from families making under $100k/year.!
2023-06-08 00:54
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wtf being poor is truly a choice
2023-06-08 00:58
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it is. had to test it myself
2023-06-08 00:59
People in America immediately go to a private university for 4 years because they want the dorm movie experience lol, then they complain about debt with a terrible degree like psychology. I know countless people who go to community college, transfer to top university for cheap or free, make 6 figures in STEM.
2023-06-08 01:01
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degree in fishology + infinite debt is well worth 4 years of "clout" in "prestige" university
2023-06-08 01:42
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Median salary of almost $200k within 10 years and $10k debt at graduation nice try though
2023-06-08 01:45
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fishology students make $200k a year? NOWAY
2023-06-08 01:48
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stay fish
2023-06-08 07:31
are you dissing fishology? are you serious man? i probably make more than you ever will!!!
2023-06-08 15:16
why poor?
2023-06-08 15:33
Or study outside of US :) But i guess for a lot of things its best to study in top US universities
2023-06-08 01:02
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why zinedinezywoo?
2023-06-08 15:16
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What?
2023-06-08 17:27
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Russia lindywalker
I’d drop out and work manual labor
2023-06-08 00:29
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Down to the Countryside Movement?
2023-06-08 00:31
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Russia lindywalker
Not sure what that is
2023-06-08 00:31
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France naveJ
Do it, masters degree is way way better than a bachelor’s, idk about USA but in france a master is probably the most worth it degree u can get, but in france it’s free idk i saw a comment that said pay your student loan WTF ? U have to loan money to STUDY ?
2023-06-08 00:31
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France naveJ
I know some ppl pay a private school in france but they don’t loan money they work 2 days a week in a company and they pay their degree (if it’s not the top 3 then LMFAO they are pigeons)
2023-06-08 00:32
Yes. Countries with actual good universities not in France like the USA, UK, Canada, etc. all have paid universities. In the US, you can go to community college for free if low income or cheap, transfer to a world class in state school, graduate with a degree in STEM and 10-20k in debt, pay it off and make 100k+ forever.
2023-06-08 00:33
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First of all, France has a very big amount of top unis and I believe most of them are free or very cheap compared to the US Second of all, every single top "uni" that you have is a scam and I can get exactly the same degree somewhere in Switzerland, the Netherlands, France, Germany or even Denmark/Sweden for literally free and even get paid for that.
2023-06-08 00:59
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Bro you have to understand how universities work. Do you think that I don’t know that universities have the same knowledge? This is why US (and UK) universities are ranked highly while EU ones are lowly ranked: -more expensive so more funding for clubs, resources, etc, -famous faculty and researchers like nobel prize winners -working around smarter competitive people and building alumni network with successful people -prestige and opportunity -liberal arts method produces stronger more rounded workers It’s undeniable.
2023-06-08 01:05
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Okay, but you know that Yale is ranked lower than ETH Zurich, right? And Berkeley < Universite PSL (France, that you said had no good unis lol) So once again, you are completely wrong unless we are talking about .01% of people who gonna attend to Harvard, Cambridge, Stanford, Oxford. I can get a degree for almost free and earn as much as you, easily. You think i won't get a 100k+ job after finishing my studies in Zurich? You really think so? XD Especially in Switzerland that has much higher salaries than you lol.
2023-06-08 01:14
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University rankings are subjective, but an amalgamation is usually something like: 1. MIT/Stanford/Harvard 4. Oxford / Berkeley 6. Cambridge Rest are random ivy leagues
2023-06-08 01:20
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its actually 1. Harvard/Oxford 2. Stanford/Cambridge/MIT but whatever. yeah. just like The United States is called America and located in the center of the map. and you just basically ignored the fact that I can go to a top-10 uni in the world for almost free, get the same education as you and work in Switzerland that has 16k$ higher GDP per capita than the US and higher salaries in general.
2023-06-08 01:36
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1. “Top 10 uni” no lmao 2. “Same education” no lmao And if you’re going to specifically bring up Switzerland, which is 1/30th the population of the US, I can easily bring up rich areas in the US with way more people where I make way more. And no, USA had the highest median disposable income in the world.
2023-06-08 01:43
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god bless America then I mean, the fact that you ranked Oxford, the uni that is usually tied with Harvard in pretty much any ranking as 4th, says a lot about your unbiased opinion based on nothing XD Just look at you, the only country that you could name was Canada only because its your neighbour. But their unis are nowhere close the swiss ones and tied with french at best. XD
2023-06-08 01:49
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Imagine obsessing over the most prestigious country rankings like it’s an “own.” Stanford MIT Oxford are all basically equal who cares The university you said is “top 10 and free” isn’t close lol. Lul Europeans only knowing European geography and raging when Americans don’t care.
2023-06-08 02:00
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As I said earlier, the UK is in Europe and yes, this tech uni located in Zurich is top-10 uni in the world with a tiny fee of 800 bucks per semester. top-10 uni in the world in x10 times better country that has higher salaries than yours. Yeah, I will definitely consider moving to the US to attend Harvard which fees range from 40-50 to 80k per year XD to have a job that will MAYBE pay me as much as in Switzerland
2023-06-08 02:07
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That is what the most educated students in the world do, stop coping lmao. Everyone with a brain knows that graduating with 10-20k in debt to make $200k in 10 years is insanely worth it and better than anything in the majority of Europe And you’re still acting like 8 mil population Switzerland almost having salaries as good as 330 mil population USA is an own lmfao, stop it
2023-06-08 02:51
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the point still stands, I can get a nice degree for free and work in Switzerland that is 10 times richer and nicer than the US. Attending top-10 uni in the world would be more than enough to make over 10k per month in Switzerland, thats not even a really huge salary for their standards. and its also the best country in the world that offers x10 better quality of life along with the same salary as you mentioned.
2023-06-08 03:00
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“10 times nicer and richer” Just not true and you know you’re coping. If you don’t think there’s a massive demand to live in New York / Miami / Boston / Napa Valley / etc. then you are being bad faith. And again, Switzerland has like 1/40th America’s population, there are areas with almost 200mil people that are richer.
2023-06-08 03:50
you're wasting your time, he spends his days trolling here under about thirty different accounts. he has no life, and between us, he wouldn't be able to pass a "competition" for a top 20 school in France or even in the rest of Europe lol
2023-06-08 15:19
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Another alt pronouns? Go away
2023-06-08 16:20
Ayo why are you sleeping on the Harvard of the Midwest (Washington University in St. Louis)???
2023-06-08 06:26
btw the UK is located in Europe, brexit means nothing. Norway, Switzerland are not in EU either but you would still call them like that.
2023-06-08 01:16
I would argue that US system sucks, education should be free or almost free for anyone, no matter what people can pay. Different story for private unis ofc
2023-06-08 01:03
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Only poor people don’t pay, that’s it.
2023-06-08 01:06
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But avg US citizen isnt necessarily rich. Also if you want to study in fields you wont make a lot of money in is more unattractive that way..
2023-06-08 07:30
almost 80k$ per year in Harvard :)))
2023-06-08 00:38
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Harvard usually gives a lot of scholarship from my understanding
2023-06-08 00:49
1. Average debt at graduation is $10k-$15k at Harvard, there is a plethora of financial aid and scholarships. 2. You can easily pay a debt of 20k off by paying 10k per year for 2 years frugally or in one year by living with parents. 3. Median Harvard salary within 10 years is $170k…
2023-06-08 00:51
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so you will basically study before and during your time in Harvard, then paying off the debt to maybe get a good slave salary? ok anyway, most of the students come from very wealthy families so it doesnt really matter if the median salary is big or not, most of them are set for life anyway.
2023-06-08 01:06
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>$200k+/year >”slave salary” Trying too hard lil bro
2023-06-08 01:11
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first you mentioned 100k+ then median 170k in Harvard now 200k+ yes, its still a slave job and you will study and pay your debts your whole life just to sit and wait for your salary every single month like a kid. the only reason why I'm studying is because it's free in tier-1 countries like Sweden, I'm not aiming for any 200k+ salary because I never had any plans to work for a salary aka someone else my whole life
2023-06-08 01:23
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>$10-15k debt at graduation >$200k salary in 10 years >”slave paying debt until death” Please stop dude holy shit Also you realize that you work for someone no matter what unless you’re a CEO, and that making more money like me lets you retire decades EARLIER lmaoooo
2023-06-08 01:48
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exactly, retire. so you will basically spend your whole life studying and working for someone just to be able to retire in your what? 40-50s? old ass man xD please dont tell me anything about the retirement, I live in a country that has x10 much more comfort than yours where I can study for free, make money, much less working hours and 25 paid days off (0 in the US). even I wanted to get an average slave job with a good salary and work for someone until retirement, I would still have a much better and happier life
2023-06-08 01:58
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>study for free Pay 50% in taxes for worse universities and incomes* Yes you get 0 days off in the US, totally You are making less money, experiencing less things, and working decades longer than me.
2023-06-08 02:02
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top-21 country by Human Development Index talking? you know that only the richest swedes pay 50%, right? and compared to the US, I live for free in this country whiile you need a 100k+ salary in NYC just to survive so yeah, even a tiny 3k after taxes in Sweden is much better than 6k in the US (but your avg salary is barely 4k after taxes but ye, huge difference mate) "Expierencing less things" says the guy who barely knows 4 countries in this world XD
2023-06-08 02:20
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Too many uneducated statements in a single statement. HDI lmao Nope “Free” aka 50% taxes and lower disposable income sigh Bringing up the most expensive and desirable city to live in the world as an “own” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_house.. Done responding
2023-06-08 02:54
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Harvard 200k/year dreamer doesnt know what progressive tax is, unlucky. Yes, HDI. The US is not even in the top20. Very few states like Massachusetts can be compared to Europe and its still USA where you pay for everything. Thats why I said 100k+ which is basically x2 more than an average american has. Its overpriced as hell just like any decent american city. 0 paid days off, tuition fees, healthcare, parental leave, working hours. Also, would you mind linking us the income of mid class americans? Because everyone from low to mid class earns less than in most european countries. So you are basically bragging abou the stats that have nothing to do with you and most americans who earn as much or less than mid class europeans but also pay for every little thing. You are nowhere close in anything related to quality of life or happines for a reason. Y'all will keep bragging about those 1% of americans till your death lol
2023-06-08 03:16
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Well said. " Y'all will keep bragging about those 1% of americans till your death lol" +1 It's always some kid who has no clue what real life is, bragging about others achievements. Also I like how you are actually speaking like a mature person while that guy is calling you names and desperately asking you to stop. haha
2023-06-08 06:07
Smartest user
2023-06-08 15:05
so everyone is a founder in sweden ? 🤣🤣🤣
2023-06-08 15:43
I don't regret getting my Master's
2023-06-08 00:31
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nobody cares about your masters in hltv baiting.....apart from me
2023-06-08 00:37
In the UK integrated masters (you do 4 years of uni then come out with a master's) are very common, I went to a top 10 uni (Imperial college London) and everyone was doing an integrated master's
2023-06-08 00:32
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That’s just a bachelor’s here lol, in the US you add 2 years on for a master’s. This program is special because I can get a master’s upgrade in only 1 year.
2023-06-08 00:35
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Finland Jupe_
NA problems, masters pretty much automatic here
2023-06-08 00:38
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Your “master’s” is equivalent to a 4 year bachelor’s degree here. Higher education is more competitive, well funded, and more rigorous in the USA compared to Europe. That’s why the universities are higher ranked. It’s even a thing at my university to take a break and study abroad at an easier university anywhere in Europe / Asia.
2023-06-08 00:46
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Finland Jupe_
Like I said, NA problems
2023-06-08 00:50
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You said “masters is automatic here” Automatic? Your Master’s degree is equivalent to a bachelor’s here. Kek
2023-06-08 00:52
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What does that even mean? 90% of people who go through universities end up working in their own country in jobs that require specific university education. If that degree is called masters or bachelors is pretty irrelevant in that context. Spending one year less in university is in my opinion worth more than whatever you learn more in that extra year. And for jobs that really need it, there is always option to spend more time studying.
2023-06-08 02:47
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France HippzZ
Based
2023-06-08 22:11
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Finland Jupe_
Why would you compare your masters to ours?
2023-06-08 07:15
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That’s what he is doing
2023-06-08 22:06
Believe it or not they are close to the same if not identical, my lecturer had worked in California, Texas, and Netherlands; when he got to the UK he stated he had pretty much taught the same modules at the same level. However the US has a lot more job opportunities compared to other European countries which inflates the salary incomes of graduates.
2023-06-08 21:47
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Denmark LJSI
more competetive and well funded - yes - but that is not the reason they are ranked higher. And no, a master here is not always equal to a 4 year bachelor in the US. In fact, from my own experience i know that at least within mechanical engineering the educations are similar if not on higher levels in Europe
2023-06-08 00:53
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Engineering absolutely not. The universities and programs have way more funding, research labs, famous faculty, etc. The US undoubtedly has the best programs with the smartest people. US universities are ranked high (like Oxford) due to a plethora of factors.
2023-06-08 00:56
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Denmark LJSI
What are you even on about lmao. Yes the US has several highly ranked universities - however only a small fraction of students in the US actually attend these schools, meaning that the average student in the US gets an equal or even worse education compared to western Europe
2023-06-08 01:05
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Higher education across all US universities is pretty much better. Even in state schools. Look at this campus of just an absolutely random 50% acceptance rate US university: d.newsweek.com/en/full/283045/baylor.jpg More funding, higher incomes, more amenities and resources, etc.
2023-06-08 01:09
as someone with STEM masters: it's worth it to learn cool stuff for work it's probably easier to find a job in the US but in France companies are gonna ask you to have 5 years of professional experience after graduation so not that worth it unless you enjoy office tools
2023-06-08 00:50
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Israel RoyBenji
Why not it's just one year, some jobs just give extra pay if you have a masters for the same exact job and it might open new opportunities. I think I. Computer science it's less important but for degrees like economics you have to have a masters if you want to make a decent pay
2023-06-08 00:52
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Yeah
2023-06-08 00:56
Work, gain experience. Then get your company to pay for your masters.
2023-06-08 00:53
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Chad shit
2023-06-08 00:56
I study law dude idk a fucking thing about computers
2023-06-08 00:55
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United States Wrinkl
i was in a similar boat for civil engineering. my college offers a similar program, but now the company i am interning with said that they could potentially pay for my masters school while i work there. unless you have a company paying for your education, i would do the 5th year for your masters to save money, and it also stands out on a resume and shows that you have the work ethic and grit to complete more advanced courses
2023-06-08 00:57
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Yeah so true. I can do so much with another year too. Internship, company pays for it, study abroad, more courses, etc.
2023-06-08 00:59
doesn't everyone have a masters these days? I got a phd, don't do that.
2023-06-08 00:58
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Nah master’s makes you stand out
2023-06-08 00:59
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Definetly depending on the field. In science (especially biology, where i got my masters), at least due to my experiences, a masters isnt that uncommon. If you really want to pursue an academic career, a PhD is almost mandatory. And also in the industry, while a masters is good enough, a PhD certainly does not hurt (not only moneywise but in general)
2023-06-08 14:37
I really couldn't care less about a piece of paper but if you care then the decision is a nobrainer, you should stay an extra year and get your masters degree.
2023-06-08 00:58
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Yeah just one year
2023-06-08 00:59
yes
2023-06-08 00:59
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Libya Planum
If you're willing to do another year, absolutely go for it. Myself personally, I'm getting my bachelor's in criminology currently, but the thought of doing 2 more years for a master's degree makes me ill
2023-06-08 01:01
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Yeh
2023-06-08 01:12
No degree in the world will make you stand out in the top tier jobs, only skills and contacts with the right people. :) If you want a standart 100-200k/yr job, yes a above average degree might help.
2023-06-08 01:09
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France HippzZ
And what is top tier job?
2023-06-08 22:14
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CS:GO pro
2023-06-08 22:53
Idk about comp sci. I have masters in econ, if I had only bachelors I would have to spend my days peddling investment products to old people. But because I got my masters I became a chairwarmer at a FX company making twice as much money.
2023-06-08 01:11
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Noice
2023-06-08 01:20
Do it, try to get an Assistantship and get your name on a paper or two. Will boost you so far above others.
2023-06-08 01:24
Yes, definitely
2023-06-08 01:27
i've done bba hons + MBA both xD
2023-06-08 01:31
Depends on 1)what the market wants most in your intrested field of your bachelor 2)More money? In Belgium the goverments demands that corporations have to give a certain persentage more depending on how high their degree is (highschool < graduating < masters < doctor degree) 3)Most importantly, what do you want to do with your life and what is possible now? Id say, enjoy another year school, after that it is 40 to 50 years of working
2023-06-08 01:35
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
depends if you want to or not, that's it
2023-06-08 01:43
Only reason why I’m on a masters is bcs im too lazy to work full time and want to keep spamming internships
2023-06-08 02:00
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Lol
2023-06-08 02:02
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
most work is so much easier than studying so doesnt make sense
2023-06-08 02:08
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But I don’t even study I just fail all grades but it’s fine cause I’m enrolled
2023-06-08 05:37
Man the only reason I didn't get my bachelor's degree was simply because I saw work as more profitable (I was already working at the time) with experience only here. There was still 1 year before I graduated but decided to focus on work and still don't regret it. If there was such a sweet deal to get master's degree for 1 extra year while working and no loan, I'd 100% go for it, the difference between bachelor's and master's is HUGE
2023-06-08 02:15
For most educations I would say yes, especially if its only one year instead of two years. In here masters takes 5 years and bachelors takes 3 years, but lets just ignore that fact for whatever that means. Cutting one year from education sounds pretty weird, is there so much air in there. For computer science specifically I wouldn't take the extra year and especially not extra two years, unless you have something specific what you wanna be working after graduation. Its not hard to find work in that sector in current day world. And in many cases you can continue working towards your masters while working which is always nice.
2023-06-08 02:34
Pronouns baiting people on yet another thread about universities, I wonder, which arguments will I see this time...Crazy. But seriously, well done, you baited so many people, you are starting to get good at it. What will the topic of your next thread, another NA vs EU comparison or something more "exotic"?
2023-06-08 02:38
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What part of this post is bait? What NA EU comparison? I literally only asked a premise to hear people’s advice. Be better
2023-06-08 02:55
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Come on, we know how this works. You go on a rant if somebody even dares to disagree with you on US universities. Even that gradually develops into you just shittalking EU again, because you seem to not have anything more exciting going on. Doesn´t making new accounts just to bait and insult people get pretty boring after a while? How many have you had? It must be like 10+ at this moment...
2023-06-08 14:24
Its just a way to feel better "hey guys im in top school in X fields wbu? I best im smart!!!!"
2023-06-08 15:12
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Dude stop raging in every thread I make now lol
2023-06-08 16:23
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Im not wrong tho
2023-06-08 16:27
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Germany Germen
In this case it's a valid question though and an interesting topic to discuss
2023-06-08 15:34
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Israel Aaron_btc
bachelors is enough in computer science
2023-06-08 03:08
Is this teamblind.com
2023-06-08 05:39
Depends what the Master's is in. In your hypothetical with comp sci, yes. It's a pretty competitive field nowadays, and even most entry level jobs either require a Master's or have many applicants with Master's. The school your degree is from matters a bit for job applications, but not that much imo. A person with a BA + Master's from a state school is more competitive than a person with just a BA from a top comp sci program.
2023-06-08 06:14
I hate school, so I would never go back after getting my piece of paper.
2023-06-08 06:18
Idk about us but just take it if you have the opportunity and passion for it
2023-06-08 06:23
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Germany who|cars
you can easily spot english master degree on htlv forums
2023-06-08 07:42
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Comp sci
2023-06-08 07:43
worth it, if can get internship while studying its even better. But also if can get a good job after graduating with a bachelors then it might not matter too much
2023-06-08 14:50
Thats what i did 2 years in preparatory class which were the hardest years of my life and 3 years in top tier school in a sandwich course (worked for Thales) Until i realize i dont want to live to work, but work to live.
2023-06-08 15:11
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Indonesia songokong
if u wanna work in programming it probably isn't worth it
2023-06-08 15:18
It depends on your financial situation tbh. My family is middle income, but since uni here in Brazil is free (the public/good ones at least) I dont really spend and live with my parents. I`m 21 and just started my masters this semeste, the shitty thing is you cant really work while on masters/phd program, so if I had loans or a less stable situation I would most likely work after uni
2023-06-08 15:19
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Czech Republic LidoOP
Yeah, bachelor's alone is useless
2023-06-08 15:20
I did 7 years at university. Loved every second of it. So yeah why not adding 1 more year if it means you have a top notch diploma.
2023-06-08 15:22
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+1
2023-06-08 16:23
If no debt, then it is 100% worth it. The people that complain about MScs being useless are the ones that make nothing out of it. I'm doing my MSc in engineering at uni (albeit, a much worse one) and while half the stuff I learned in BSc were fucking useless, every second of the master's was sp far worth it. Plus, companies will often employ you as an actual part-time engineer after BSc, so no need to dick around with internships. EDIT: There are guys at my company that comolain about the master's being useless. Then they proceed to tell anecdotes about how they deliberatly picked classes that overlapped with their Bachelor's material so they have to make as little effort as possible...
2023-06-08 15:25
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+1 master’s gigachad
2023-06-08 21:28
uni is a scam
2023-06-08 15:23
yes, go for it. Its about the name of the institution rather than the paper at this point.
2023-06-08 15:27
in programming is useless imo they will look at your exp, portfolio and then test what you know, anyone with some decent IQ know that's it's just piece of paper, which you can buy or cheat to get
2023-06-08 15:30
I feel like rushing masters is a mistake, get some work experience after bachelor's and figure out which direction you want to pursue and then when you are sure what you like then do masters to improve your knowledge and education level
2023-06-08 15:31
I don't know the laws in your country. But in Belgium, having a master's degree will give you more money. It levels over time most of the time but for one year, that's a win for sure. Especially if you have an internship at the same time. Personally, I didn't do it because I failed too many times and also because you only do it for the certificate, you learn nothing by doing the master (still talking about my specific case).
2023-06-08 15:38
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"you learn nothing by doing the master" dont you do master thesises? you get paid from it here in sweden, and 6 months in the industry... also there is project work atleast here in the first half of the 5th year that is also paid, and also 6 months in the industry, 4th year was amazing as well, since you can finally apply all the acquired knowledge for quite advanced courses, atleast at my uni like finally finding real applications of chernoff bounds and control/signal theory for example feels extremely rewarding imo, like you no longer have just an answer you calculated with no meaning but you actually understand what you have done and see how it can be applied etc...
2023-06-08 22:14
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The parenthesis was the key: talking about my specific case. In Wallonia, the uni is pretty inefficient when it comes to Computer science. Few friends did the master degree and ended up learning things that are not relevant at all for their work. I've been to a school former known as "INPRES", the master degree related to that is given by the same teachers to Industrial engineers. They told us right away: the lessons don't go further that what we learnt. So the sole reason why we would do that is having a master degree. However they are useful for the industrial engineers that started their studies in that specific school. Three years ago, they started a real master degree that goes further than my own studies, I checked it out and it looks really interesting! But being 35 y/o, living now 35m away from the city, having a house with a field to take care of, it looks unlikely that I'll do it someday. Unfortunately, in Belgium, you won't get paid during your studies whatsoever. Maybe if I received money, I would have done more
2023-06-09 09:44
2 replies
yea i just explained the swedish system, was curious about yours ;D i saw it was different thanks for taking the time to explain :) but yeah that sounds to suck really hard, masters is not that important though, a bachelor is with no doubt sufficient :)
2023-06-11 10:45
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oh.. Sorry for my tone then mate! Belgian system is not great for several reasons but it's rather cheap if we compare it to most countries around the world. A part of me really wants to have a master degree, for my ego only, considering that, in my family, I'm the only one of my cousins without one. Even though I know it may sound stupid, maybe it'll trigger smth someday. But first, finish renovating our farm, and take care of the field, think of switching my career in 10 years, and at that time maybe taking a class again to get a master degree will be the answer
2023-06-11 21:52
get that degree if u like studies
2023-06-08 15:47
#128
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Israel Runtz
Bro I can't pass my first 3 CS + Math classes, and youre talking about doing ~12 classes more
2023-06-08 15:56
1 reply
It’s a semester system, only 8-9 more classes (4-5 each sem)
2023-06-08 16:08
If you have a good job offer, you take it. If you are asking this question, seems like you don't. So studying for one more year to improve skills may be good.
2023-06-08 16:04
yes, go for it. I think Bachelor Degree today is not enough to find a good playing job. Currently, I work as a gameDev , and the company I work for actually found me during my MSc studies. :)
2023-06-08 16:19
2 replies
Sheesh
2023-06-08 21:27
Definately not the same here in scandinavia, people who finish bachelor get insta work here :O strange that its so different in hungary, ofcourse the company has to invest slightly more in a bachelor grad than a masters grad but its still quite expensive either way...
2023-06-08 22:05
obviosuly go for it. 1 year is nothing, and it is 1 year of lower salary but the benefits will be much greater. only reason not to is if you really hate the academic and just want to work in the real world. you know, to the point that you´'re having mental breakdown over staying at univeristy
2023-06-08 16:28
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My plan is during the 1 year of research: Internship and work get paid to finish master’s degree
2023-06-08 21:27
#137
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Czech Republic potruss
Depends if you can get a good job without university. School system works differently in my country. If I went to university an stayed there for 5 years (to get engineer degree) I wouldnt be able to work for those 5 years. I wouldnt make money and I wouldnt be able to progress up through the workplace. No brainer for me, since I hate school to my core. But lets say I will make 3 mil czk in those 5 years, while most of the money comes after 3 years in a job getting better pay and being promoted. When will you make the same money after university? When will you equalize me and surpass me with the money made in your life? Add students loan to it in some dumb countries and it becomes an interesting comparison. Also, I just got an offer for a very well paid job (for a very hard work tho). If I went to uni this offer wouldnt ever come to me.
2023-06-08 16:31
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"Also, I just got an offer for a very well paid job (for a very hard work tho). If I went to uni this offer wouldnt ever come to me." you sound smart, uni would not make you dumber, who knows maybe you would have gotten even better offers :D jkjk but good for you! its always the performance, connections and experience that is the most important, this is true for all scientific and finance jobs, how one gets there is different for everyone :)
2023-06-08 22:02
my god i should not have read the replies from this guy. Delusional about American way of life from start to finnish
2023-06-08 17:32
3 replies
Bruh lol no I’m not
2023-06-08 21:26
#165
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Finland samsepi
+1
2023-06-08 22:35
+1
2023-06-09 17:07
Don't know about the US. In Europe it's a no-brainer.
2023-06-08 17:37
4 replies
Damn
2023-06-08 21:26
3 replies
Why settle for a bachelors degree when a masters degree gets you higher pay instantly? That's the case in Belgium at least, don't know about the US. Probably some capitalistic stuff going on there that is beyond comprehension of how it got there in the first place
2023-06-08 21:29
2 replies
Yeah, my current plan may be: Stay 2 extra semesters for master’s degree Get extra internship in summer and get paid by company to finish my master’s Graduate with a master’s in comp sci before 23.
2023-06-08 21:31
1 reply
If internships are a necessity then sure, sounds like a plan to me
2023-06-08 21:36
if it is an option I would work a year or two then go back, if your goal is to maximize salary
2023-06-08 21:48
absolutely
2023-06-08 21:49
Only top university is USP, Brasil first!
2023-06-08 21:50
i think they did the maths in sweden, takes 13 years for the masters degree to pay off compared to bachelor (taking account the loans and starting to work later, a 2 year experience from bachelor is a lot more useful for a company than a masters straight out of uni), but after that it pays off well so yeah for sure masters pays off always in europe, its instant higher pay, and the people with no degrees or bachelors are the first to go given that the three perform equally
2023-06-08 21:57
Although one year is not that bad. But overall, a masters is useless. You have to pay for the extra years. You have you stay for the extra years. In the end of the day, it doesn't increase your salary. So if it isn't a MBA, in which you plan on using it, then no, it's useless.
2023-06-08 22:08
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imagine having to pay for tuition XD "In the end of the day, it doesn't increase your salary." complete opposite here in europe, its extremely more expensive for a company to educate an ASIC developer that has a bachelors degree compared to a candidate with a masters for example, but from what Ive heard its completely different in NA, you are actually good at selling software XD here our companies/products are generally more hardware focused i think, software doesnt pay as much since no one really knows how to sell it, and there is an abundance of people who can code but not do much else, so computer science majors are a lot more attractive than software developer bachelors for example... also most people here do (paid) internships in the summers and part time work in related fields after school, and since no tuition its kind of a nobrainer
2023-06-08 22:52
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No one with a brain would go to a “free” Swedish university over a paid USA university.
2023-06-08 23:12
It's the complete opposite in the US. Going into hardware is not even close to the pay of software. On average, I'd say probably 2/3.
2023-06-08 23:45
#160
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Ukraine Amosimus
Guys, I might be dumb as a rock, but I will never understand the obsession around university degrees, I can't even finish 2 year bachelor, most of the classes are boring or useless, peers always on their phones, and you also have to write a 60 pages paper, while researching some arbitrary shit at the end of 3rd year, doesn't it sound daunting to you? I'm literally considering dropping out, maybe there may be better options than this
2023-06-08 22:12
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It's like that today, young students especially want to join big schools for the one and only reason that these schools are "known" and have "partnerships" with certain companies, and coming from a known school is also synonymous with "getting a good job" Unfortunately many, many students are like this and don't know much. For my part, I met a lot of people (especially in paying schools) where these guys were real morons, and other schools that are accessible ONLY by competition (after a preparatory school in France) where I met true geniuses.
2023-06-09 17:03
#163
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Ukraine garen
Gotta finish bachelor here and then illegaly cross the border & study in smth like Czech to get Master's
2023-06-08 22:15
I'm currently pursuing computer science as well. If you have a genuine passion for the field and aspire to make significant strides in your career, opting for a master's degree can lead to rewarding outcomes. In the realm of computer science, numerous advanced positions and leadership roles often require a master's degree. By obtaining this advanced degree, you broaden your career prospects and enhance your likelihood of securing higher-level positions. These positions typically come with increased responsibilities, challenges, and often offer more competitive salaries. With a master's degree, you position yourself for accelerated professional growth and unlock exciting career opportunities. I have recently completed my bachelor's degree and will be embarking on a master's program in applied and computational mathematics in the upcoming autumn. My intention is to specialize in financial mathematics, with the hope of establishing a solid foundation and gaining advanced skills in finance. This specialization will hopefully make me highly sought after in the job market, providing excellent prospects for my future career.
2023-06-08 22:23
2 replies
If you wanted to do finanace, you shouldve done finanace. I did a solid Mathematics degree and then to get into finance, nearly every single decent company wanted me to have a degree in finanace or do a 1 year course on finance. The biggest mistake teachers and tutors make its telling kids to do vauge degrees like english, maths, physics, computer science ect. When realistically, if you want a good job the second you leave university, you do Law, Finance, Doctor ect Even a nurse will typically earn more and be more employable than someone with a maths or computer science degree, the day after finishing their degree. It sucks tbh.
2023-06-09 16:24
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I totally agree. To provide some background, I am currently studying a double major in business and economics alongside my studies in computer science. I enrolled on this path during my second year, with the intention of graduating both degrees simultaneously (BSc + MSc computer science and BSc economics) While I have yet to complete all the necessary courses for my economics degree, I hope that I will be able to accomplish this goal by the time of my graduation. I believe that these degrees will harmonize effectively, complementing each other in a meaningful way. We are picking specializations after Christmas, probably going for finance and accounting
2023-06-09 22:44
I did master but my government payed me to do it
2023-06-09 09:45
do you have good internships already? any return offers? if not I would do masters
2023-06-09 09:51
3 replies
Do apply for the master’s in the first place you need internships, research, 3.5 min gpa
2023-06-09 16:15
2 replies
well then if you dont get any good offers just do masters
2023-06-09 19:44
1 reply
Yeh
2023-06-09 21:52
#175
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Hungary jadyn_x
I'm too lazy to study so no I wouldnt I barely studied in high school and barely studied for my last & most important exams But wish you luck
2023-06-09 11:53
Yes, A masters is worth 5 years. A bacholors is worth 0 years. This is coming from someone who has a masters.
2023-06-09 16:22
Yes fk work I'd rather be in school for another year
2023-06-09 16:22
1 reply
It’s not really fun school, it’s like research + 100 page paper + some random classes I can pick
2023-06-09 16:55
obv do it masters is good for resume yes but mostly for knowledge.
2023-06-09 17:13
if you want to get into AI&ML then go with masters
2023-06-09 17:14
Depends on what you wanna have a masters in - what do you wanna choose as your speciality? In Denmark we typically have 3 yrs bachelor and 2 yrs masters, whereas i'm choosing to specialise in the physics related nanotechnological civil engineer route, but couldve chosen 3 others. I don't know if computer science just is a master with no specialisation? Remember you can criss-cross scientific fields aswell, later and now.
2023-06-09 20:05
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For this master’s program in comp sci the specializations can be: Physics, biology, business, law, public policy, etc. Yeah it is interdisciplinary. Just one year of a master’s thesis / some research while taking grad courses
2023-06-09 21:55
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