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0 skill here, run and gun bodyshot. Bare minimum would be inaccurate noscopes, slower ads, slower bolt reload, slower movement.
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AK needs nerf too... one shot to the head even through kevlar and it's automatic... OP as fuck bro...
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No hs needed when abusing the awp, thats the difference
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Also much more money needed and if u miss u dead lmao
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If you miss you are dead? Maybe on lvl 4 ...good player choose position where he can easily fall back...you can play 3 pixel positions and somebody will walk into your crosshair for 100% at least once
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Good player - walk into your crosshair... If you hold pixel gaps all the opponent needs to do isbkbow how to peek common angles
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It's the same as saying "just use utility bro"...you can't wide peek every angle and if you jiggle peek the sniper holding pixel gap will kill you
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Well not if its offangles and ur going to take space on your won but usually awpers play the same angles evry game. Ofc ull die to an awper here and there but u can minimise ur deaths to awp if you have good peeks and map awareness, also timing is important. Inferno long for example, against the avg faceit lvl 10 "me play long awp" its actually not that hard to win ur duels or at least survive them. As someone who sucks with awp I can assure you that bad awpers gonna miss a ton if you peek properly. And against good awpers you can also win, just dont expect to win every duel, its same against rifle... If a good rifler peeks you well and has good crosshairplacement you could complain about how op ak is as well since ur gonna lose oit on the duel with m4 quite often.
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also, flashbangs
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Ofc flashbangs, smokes, mollies... But when taking map Control solo like on banana inferno u often dont have 5 flashbangs available:D
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yeah fair, although i tend to find my games 4 banana and me alone defaulting aps or mid every round xD
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I mean if you can go 4 banana without getting punished u win tside in pugs
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true, but if CTs have good util it quickly turns to losing T side pugs
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Yep, good banana players on both sides = inferno win (unless you have some god awful "me peek mid and die fast every round" players on ur team
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link faceit
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Yes but u need a teammate to throw u a proper flashbang, also if they do retake u need to reclear, sometimes u want to just walk up without giving away that u are coming etc.
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there is two groups of people i think...
people who support liquid mouz and teams like this with lets say not the best awpers so they asking for nerf awp...
and people who support teams with godlike awpers like zywoo, sh1ro, monesy, device ... so they are fine with how strong awp is.
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And why exactly are there so little great awpers? Maybe its not that easy to awp on pro level/t1-t2 level after all. If you see zywoo rifle you gotta call for rifle nerfs as well. Imagine they would nerf awp, the avg and bad awpers would be the worst players on their team then statwise
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If you asked me a year ago if the Awp was op I would of said yes.
But as for now I think the mag clip reduction made things more fair, if not making the awp underwhelming.
The one change I would like have reverted is the scoped movement speed (Kenny's) nerf.
I don't like the current support & save meta, it leads to more boring/less skillfull gameplay.
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Awp with old movement speed would be wayyy ro broken, you could peek like a rifler but 1 shot in body^^
I think support awp meta is just right because now going agressive is a risk, one reason why awping on pro level is hard, u just get rekt by good riflers/awpers holding an angle actually
i'm a Mouz fan, but I dont think the AWP should be nerfed.
your statement is heavily flawed. it's not ''groups of people who support x'' it's ''groups of people who can play AWP and those who permanently die against it like bots''*
Why do they only use one awp if its so op? if its easy to use and op they should all buy it when they have the money for it right?
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They will never have enough money to buy 5 apps because the AWP costs more than she win bonus. Even in 16k overtime, if you run 5 apps and lose one per round, in no time you will be broke.
You win max 3250 and have to spend 7k for a full load out awper. Do the maths.
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Ok give me ur faceit and we end this argument. No pro has ever claimed awp is op atm. And i have only heard it from ppl who are bad at the game. so go ahead
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I didn't say the AWP is OP, schizo. You made a garbage argument and got debunked. Full AWP setup is impossible because of the economy, dont need to be a defensive little bitch.
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haha ok lv 3 as i assumed dont worry you will understand the game one day. have a good one
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You are fucking dumb. There is no face it in Brazil, genius.
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They just fucking arrived here in 2023 with FPL that nobody plays and I can't even connect to the servers. the private league for players in Brazil is gamers club.
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Buddy face it only properly arrived in SA just now twitter.com/FACEITBrasil/status/15885638..
Before it, it was a fringe league with little to nobody playing. I can't connect to the servers because they send me to EU, Asia...
Still face it league is just starting here. GC is still the main one.
yes there is but u are probably gold nova so no point in switching
also check this youtube.com/watch?v=a-ZokFxYXVA
This is skill issue for blameF. He should 100% kill him here
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no, its awp op i saw many top tier players dies like that vs awps
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If you cant see that he should kill him before he jumps behind default then you are low elo.
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BlameF hit him 3 times, broky just jumped away. Don't delude yourself you can kill bhopping opponents easily
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"run and gun bodyshots"
That's exactly why he missed the 1st shot...
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don't worry about it, this same guy posted the last awp nerf thread :D
beeeeg skill issue
love when silver noobs cry about awp beeing op
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How exactly do you counter the second peek? This is the most bullshit part of the AWP, how you can just random peek body shot someone.
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You counter the second peek by not missing 15 shots with the ak. Also he didnt randomly peek he obv knew he was out long. Also on second peek broky was oneshot in the body aswell but he was faster than blamef.
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It doesn't matter, with a rifle that peek would be 50/50. He wasn't faster, blameF shot first but missed because his weapon doesn't have a big scope and he didn't knew how much damage he did.
The situation in specific doesn't change the fact that this play has no counter. Every awper does this nowadays and they win when they don't miss the shot.
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Thats not a 50/50 duel. He is swingign an awp without a flash or refrag. He should 100% die. But since broky misses blame should take the kill. And also yes he should know how low he is cus anyone over mg can tell how many times they hit them.
And also broky does a left peek after missing and blamef gets right peek. Not only does blame not have to scope before firieing witch gives him an advantage he also has right peek advantage. ( "but missed because his weapon doesn't have a big scope" if you need a scope to hit someone on that range you are the worst player in history )
So if what you take away from this that the awp is op and not that blamef just messed up you dont know much about cs.
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which makes it his fault for dying
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sounds like a skill issue to me
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would be unfair to the other pros if i went pro
Nobody has 50% accuracy with a rifle in pro level. If it's skill issue, go teach the professionals how to do it.
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i try they don't respond
That peek was just as "unfair" or not counterable as someone wide swinging and hitting the first bullet to the head with AK or Deagle. It takes a lot of skill to hit a quick scope like that which is why you don't see pros do those that often especially in positions like Broky was there where if he missed he would surely die.
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Nope, hitting the headshot is far more difficult because it's far harder to hit and a wide peek can be countered by shoot-crouch to avoid headshot.
Every tier 1 awper does this today an they often succeed. Only osee level of awpers aren't reliable for that.
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How high level player are you? I would say hitting the first bullet to head with AK wide swinging (when you know where the enemy is) is easier than hitting a quick scope like that. If quick scopes like that were easy then we would see far more awpers being more aggressive and clearing angles without being scoped in. Sure the best awpers can do it, but not many are as good and consistent with those close range combat quick scopes as Broky.
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Buddy how is it easier if the enemy can simply crouch? You are not peeking prefire bots, and blameF was also moving.
I say it's easy because I do it frequently on matchmaking, it's a fairly simple flick. Swing crouch shoot.
The reason why awpers aren't doing that all the time is simply the risk of being traded, if the awper knows it's 1v1, he will swing.
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If you see an enemy your first instinct isn't to crouch (unless you are a low lvl player), you first counterstrafe and try to shoot the enemy as fast as possible so your crouch theory doesn't work.
Non pressure low lvl matchmaking is completely different from a game against professionals. Everyone also has way better aim when they play dm and hit faster quick scopes and one taps with AK because there is no pressure and you can go for those plays without consequences.
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Watch every pro player ever. As soon as they see someone they crouch, it's actually a bad habit for them. You can can crouch and counter strafe at the same time you know.
You just cannot say that hitting a heafshot on a moving opponent is easier than hitting a body shot AWP flick. This just isn't a thing.
The same argument about pressure can be applied to you "strafe insta hs" that is supposedly easier.
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You say they all crouch when they see an enemy, but you can see from that clip that Blamef saw Broky twice and both times he counter-strafed instead of crouching? Broky also counter-strafed instead of crouching before he shot, because that's faster.
Since you didn't answer, what is your rank/elo? Because if you are just some basic Gold Nova or whatever, then I can't really take your takes about CS mechanics seriously.
Like I said, if it was easy and consistent we would see way more awpers quick scope and do aggro plays, but it's not as easy when enemies are good with good positioning, movement and fast at punishing you. It's ofc different in some MM when people's movement is way worse, they position themselves poorly and you have more time to shoot before getting shot.
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Because crouching vs an AWP is bad, you are slowing down you movement speed.
It isn't faster, you can both crouch and counter strafe at the same time, it's all about choice, if you think the opponent is pre aiming the head, you crouch peek.
I'm supreme, but notice how you are changing the goal post. You said it was easier to headshot someone whole moving instead of hitting that AWP flick to the body. Yet you provided 0 reasons for that.
And again, I already said it. Awpers are going to be less or more aggressive depending on trade potential, if they have a clear 1v1, they will hunt it. Awpers won't take 1v1 brainlessly because if they get traded, it's bad.
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So everyone's instinct is to crouch when they see an enemy unless they know it's an AWP (meaning the instinct to crouch isn't an instinct and rather a conscious decision)?
Btw if you didn't know, counter strafing is a faster way to stop yourself moving and you are faster more accurate than when you crouch. The time it takes to go down to crouch from standing takes more time than stopping yourself from moving with counter strafing meaning it makes your shooting inaccurate for a longer time too. Guess you didn't know that about the mechanics.
So you are low lvl (Supreme is nothing in 2023) in the game, which probably explains why I've seen so many stupid/uneducated opinions and takes from you relating to CSGO. I still stand behind what I said, I think it's easier to hit the head than do a proper quick scope where you only scope so the gun is more accurate, not so you can do tiny adjustments to your crosshair. Ofc depends how good you are with rifle compared to AWP, but I find it easier to hit the headshot than have my (not visible) AWP crosshair pointing at the exact right spot and quick scope. I find it easier with a rifle, because I can constantly see the crosshair unlike with AWP.
Broky does take those 1v1's brainlessly quite often because he has such great skills in close combat quick scoping. Faze didn't have info where one of the 3 Astralis players (device) were in that moment Broky went for that 1v1 which you can also see from his instant reaction to fall back and throw a defensive smoke after getting the kill.
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Btw if you didn't know, you can counter strafe and simultaneously crouch, this is your "mechanic of the day" Mr high level. Ther is no face it here in Brazil, it's gamers club, and I don't play it. I don't need your approval to talk about anything and quite honestly you can go fuck yourself with your arrogance.
"I do find it easier" you're not in a pressure situation of pro level to pull of this plays, so your opinions on the matter on pug games is irrelevant. See how two can play the same game?
As much as you don't need to move the rifle crosshair much, you also need to hit a much smaller hitbox (the head) which is moving.
If you think this is easier than flicking to the stomach of a big opponent. You're delusional, Mr high level.
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Yes, but you still need to first counter strafe and then crouch and not crouch first because you are accurate faster when counter strafing. You obviously can't do both at the exact same time and also it's way more difficult to move sideways, quickly tap the opposite way to stop your movement and at the same time press and hold your crouch key.
Just saying that if you are not even good and experienced at the game how can you say what pros and others should do and what is easy to do and what is not?
Like I said, I think it's easier because to be able to do an actual quick scope like Broky did there you need to have your AWP crosshair at the right position without being able to see the crosshair, because you don't adjust your scope crosshair at all before shooting. Having your non visible AWP crosshair on your enemy that is moving is not easy either. I'm not talking about semi-quick scope, where you do little adjustment to hit the shot.
Did I say it's easier for everyone? Just in my opinion it's easier and I think for most (good players) it's easier in for example the situation Broky was there to have an AK and go for the headshot than hitting that quick scope.
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Because of economy. Buff the economy or put the awp at 3k price i can guarantee you will see 3/4 awp just like in silver.
If you lose now on ct with 2 awp and dont save a gun you are broke for 2 rounds, giving free economy to the t side. Its just too costly.
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How are you going to headshot someone bunny hopping?
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you have time to hit 4 bullets before they land
How is a bunny hopping awp going to hit you?
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That's not my question.
Miss easy shot -> hide behind impenetrable wall (thank Valve for career) -> repeek without even fully counter strafing and still being 100% accurate because the game is bad and even crabwalk speed gives you full accuracy
AWP abusers have you thanked Valve today for making this game easy for you?
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Btw it's called counter strafing, he wasn't running when he shot.
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But on the enemy screen it looks like he is still running which is a terrible game design or how to call this bs
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I did not,too cartoony
AWP should have never been nerfed in 2014 even.
It is OP in the right hands as all weapons are. Nerf deagle because pros abuse the headshots too much1111111
I can see in MM where a great awper can dominate but it will just force the playerbase to play smarter or that awper will go up in rankings. Force ppl to think through their flash and nade usage to fuck over the awp and kill him or trade him out.
In that clip he dry peeked an awper, got lucky broky missed and couldnt capitalize. Then stayed out in the open in a terrible position where he has to guess where broky will peek and be faster than an awp. He got info and damage just run away and reset the situation.
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the same awper will go 2/all the moment that he plays against players who actually know how to jiggle well, use utility properly, preaim/fire common AWPing angles, etc, it really isn't rocket science
kudos to blameF for playing that situation exactly like how a gold nova would, so it summoned a whole army of them
He can't run away, he was in long, where is the scape route? It doesnt exist.
Why nerf it? If its noskill and so OP just wait until teams will buy 3-4 awps per round with 99% winrate
(It will never happen and u are r****ed)
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The awp nerfs in the past are even less relevant especially since the one in 2022 barely even nerfed it in pro play.
I think it's valid that the awp isn't considered OP unless it's viable to buy lots of them in a single round. The awp is better than the ak/m4 in a lot of situations but there are also situations where it's worse so it adds variety to the game.
ofc they didnt, because they would lose every game with gameplan like this
therefore awp is balanced, strongest weapon in the game but with a lot of disadvantages
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ok
classic gold nova master OP AWOOPE thread
if awp is that powerfull why dont we have 5 awp setups?
AWP should be better because x2.5 ak price. It is not that hard to punish awpers tho. This is why awpers shine more when they play good since its harder thing to do. Otherwise everyone would be an awper .
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m249 is a bad weapon design. I'd expect form the weapon more if it costs more since it is that much more damaging economically after all.
Why can't you do it then?
I think the AWP is in a perfect spot now.. it's already had its movement speed nerfed & now with the 5 bullet per mag, its good.. if you cry about dying to awp you are a low level player with 0 iq... learn util & learn where awps usually play to avoid dying like a bot.
Valve took years to make awp 5 bullets
they will never nerf this gun, this company is dogshit. AWP has been OP since CSGO was created in 2012,players are already used to the fact that the weapon is OP and they think it's normal a $4750 gun that can hitkills everyone, allows you to reposition easily, have quickscope and so on...
a change is difficult to happen, even more when we have a dogshit company running the game
If you want to play a game that cares about players and constantly updates their game, you need to play Valorant.
BTW, Operator is 1000x more balanced than AWP, anyone who has played Valorant knows
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I agree awp should be nerfed but you gave the worst example ever XD
If you make awp no longer able to one shot to the body, people will start using the scout because why bother paying for something that does the exact same thing but slower and more expensive. The only thing valve can do to fix the awp is to increase the cost of it or even remove kill reward from it so it’s no longer economically friendly and making the risk and reward more balanced.
It was a great shot by broky, that if he missed the 2nd one he was dead.
As an certified ak lover, no the awp is perfectly fine.
Blamef just can't kill someone if their directly in front of him, he has to bait/lurk.
It's not like blame even took the proper patching to clear site ( hugging left wall to clear dice and optimus first, and being covered by cash truck by bank, then close swing bank).
He didn't even use his smoke to block of any of the angels on site. Then proceded to miss a quarter of his magazine.
Any way you look at this Blamef is the one who miss played and got punished for it.
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Because they were fast rotating to A , if blameF announced his presence, the CTS at be would rotate before they arrive. This is why blameF walked in without util.
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Niko's problem is because he thinks he can be an awper with no effort needed. Every role you need to put in effort to be comfortable with.
"Why me who played 3k hours with a rifle can't be good AWP instantly?" Self answering question.
cringe
hltv #12 2022 whiffing an easy shot? incredible
i am a gold nova. i am not very good
I still do not think the awp is overpowered, i know how to bait out a shot (or my teammates)
you seem to hate the awp, for no reason
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the last time i played call of duty black ops 2 it had balanced snipers, well balanced, also paper thin walls
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lol i hope u read all the replies on this thread
clips.twitch.tv/SuaveLitigiousClamNonono..
surely this is balanced
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clips.twitch.tv/IcyCogentSrirachaBlargNa..
Balanced right?
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that snippet was so incredibly boring and average
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Either require 0% movement speed (or be crouched) to be accurate or prevent awpers from jumping after taking a shot.
Aggressive awper is cancer.
clips.twitch.tv/CallousUninterestedMomBa..
Holy shit this is unreal, how can awp abusers still defend this?
AWP is pay to win, remove now. You should have to watch a 30sec ad to get AWP.
if you miss an awp shot against a competent rifle... youre gonna die
have you tried clicking harder? or maybe aim better?
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First its impossible to miss with an awp
2nd if you miss, you dont get punished about 95% of the time, just watch any game
clips.twitch.tv/TriangularBreakableBaboo..
Perfectly balanced, all skill.
"aim better"
If awp abusers dont have to aim, why riflers have to sweat the fuck out for every kill?
It's not needed at all.
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Csgo is rigged, not gonna happen, the day goat riflers like elige and krimz transition onto awping role, players like m0nesy and zywho will have to retire.
Havu already showed us how powerful 5 awp setups are.
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