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what are your thoughts on joining the military or being a soldier in general?
just another career path. It was on my top3 list after HS and really considered it but went other way.
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why?
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- depends on your country (Poland 6 years ago military was shit now its getting better because of russia)
- depends on your situation
In my case i just went with my top1 thing which is physiotheraphy and so far iam supper happy with decision i like the job i finish uni in 1 month and start profesional career in this field in 4 months.
I can tell you now go not after money but after what you are interested in. If being a soldier something you are interested in over other things just go for it. You always can pivot
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Well It's really common to go to countries like Germany, Netherlands or Belgium for eastern europians as the minimal salary in Belgium is almost 2000€ what is more than double the AVERAGE salary in Slovakia what is around 1000€(Realistically maybe around 950 tho).
And I'm only talking about the minimal salary in Belgium, not what people mostly get when going to work there from my country.
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Haha, many people really appreciate it!
It's good that other countries create opportunities like this, but at the same time It's so sad, that some people need to work abroad to feed their family in their home country.
Unfortunely in Slovakia the politicians are terrible, so we will propably stay poor forever. :D
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Mby unite with czechia again
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Why did you even separate, i dont remember
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As a Slovakian, I can tell you that It was Czechia first then Slovakia... All government investment poured into Prague and major czech cities whilst Slovakia got nothing. This unfair distribution was very frustrating as still min. 1/3rd of Tax payers were Slovak but received very little in terms of reinvestment... Vetom probably does not understand but reuniting with Czechia would be terrible.
Mby unite with czechia again
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why would you want to join another countries armed forces?
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so you would join the military of an irrelevant country, to not go to war?
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to get citizenship faster
mate he means depends which country u are from not joining the military of another country
it's for people with no life skills whatsoever.
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0/8 bait.
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nah bro
if you have any marketable skill, literally anything, working as a civilian is 100x better than career military.
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0/8 bait again.
In Denmark the army officer school, gives you one of the most respected and sought after education, you can get leader wise.
And unless you work in the medical field or anywhere else, that likewise the military actually contributes to society, you should be keeping your mouth shut.
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take a look at his flag
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None, but at least he´s not hiding behind EU flag.
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+1 you also can learn great stuff in the army, i knew some people that took classes to learn mechanics, electronics, electrical stuff etc.
Then after their military contract they can work in pretty cool and chill stuff.
Hes right in his first sentence even tho it's badly expressed, but you have a lot of... who join the army precisely because they have nothing and have difficulties at school.
But I don't think that's a reason to insult these people anyway!
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Yes their are many opportunities actually.
Maybe i see it differently, because the majority of people i have served with has been well educated, but just wanted to serve anyway, whether it was for a short or longer time. Probably also is different depending on country.
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Yes i have noticed this, it's sad. Yeah i'm currently active duty thx man, danes don't give a shit about the military, they're so self centered.
Did you serve as well?
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sure it does
still if you have any life skill you'll be much better off working as a civilian in literally any carreer other than military
that's a true fact
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I get what your saying, but i guess it depends on what you value in life, and obviously you don't have to be in the same career all your life, you can switch when you want.
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irrelevant but ok
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so, like I said, irrelevant but ok
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me: "if you have any marketable skills"
you: BUT WHAT IF YOU ARE a 7ELEVEN SHELF STOCKER
if you have any marketable skills, you don't stock shelves at 7eleven you absolute baboon
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And these people with skills would be better off working a civilian job.
The only people who actually gain anything from joining the military are the people who, by enlistment age, have 0 marketable skills
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how long is forced military service in finland?
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Greenland doesnt have military
/end of thread
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i will defend my home to my last breath
my sharks will steal your navy
my frogs will rob your army
and my flying fish will wreck your air force
i dare you to invade greenland
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thank you, <3
French army in a nutshell
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Especially in WW2
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Best white flag waving record too
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And yet what is France most known for when it comes to wars? The white flag
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+1 Napoleon 🐐
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What are your thoughts on George Washington my dear fellow?
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Polish guy trash talking WW2 as if they didn't fold in like an afternoon or something
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man from country so irrelevant that it stayed neutral the whole time, pipes up like his opinion matters.
Well, "neutral", they still allowed the nazis to use their railways to transport troops because it's a country full of beta cucks
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Did you hear that frenchie?? not learned your history did ya? Poland with less resources and getting attacked from both Germany and USSR and "folded" in a month, while you couldnt last a couple weeks.
Edit: spelling
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I'm sorry I can't udnerstand you over the sound of all the shit coming out of your mouth
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Aww sensitive frewnchie gnna cwy :(((
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lmao in order to make me cry, first you'd have to matter
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You know what didnt matter, french defenses on 10th of may XDD
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again, you don't get to trash talk when you country failed about just as hard
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You mean defended from 2 Super Powers while getting attacked on vast plains without geographical protection of borders, while having half the resource of france... yh sure.
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all I hear is excuses, but in the end, still fail
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I take pride in that, good luck taking pride in the french performace in ww2 XD laughing stock on all fronts
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I mean sure, you can take pride in failure that would be the polish way
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Very ignorant take kiddo, take a nap
What will you do? Throw seal spears at him?
thats not even a real country LULE
Nah, never
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i really admire special forces but i wouldn't fight for any country
Imo it’s mainly for losers and <80 IQ patriots
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steady income and benefits early in your adult life
i think anybody who doesnt want to go to university should do it
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How much do you get as a freshman?
We have to make a destinction between american military and for example Swedish military, very different situations. The people i know in the swedish military are mostly humble, smart, well educated and (most notably) NOT NATIONALISTS. People join the swedish military for very different reasons than the american military.
I'll be honest with you then.
At 18 years old in Denmark we have enlistments. Not everyone has to go the military, but there is a chance.
I honestly think this idea is horrific and really stupid, It seems like the thing you would do during world war 2, to make sure you had an army in case we got invaded.
In Denmark it works in a way where if you pull the number to go to the military, you can just wait it out until your done with your education. (Also meaning university and such).
Problem with having to do this, is that when you then complete your education you have to go to another place to get "another kind of education" (military training), and in the end you might forget some of the things you learned in uni.
When your done in the military you all of the sudden have to find a job that fits your education, which can overall be super hard if you lost your on fire streak from when you were done with uni.
TLDR; I think it depends on which country you are in, but personally I wouldnt like it, since im more of a Nerd. I also believe it should be up the one self if you want to be a soldier, and not a random number.
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i am quite strongly against mandatory military conscription however your story isn't entirely true or missing important information. So i guess ill defend the military a little
It is true that you pull a number and you will be told 3 colours. Red, you are out, Yellow is maybe and green is in. However Green numbers are often taken up by volunteers, in the last 10+ years no one has pulled a green number. Even if you technically draw a green number you have the right to become a conscientious objector and instead you will be doing paid community service for 4 months.
For a lot of people going to the military can teach them a lot of valuable life lessons like how to keep in shape, eating healthy, how to clean/cook/take care of yourself, you get decent pay which can help you etc. etc.
Im also a bit confused. Why would you go to the military after uni? The vast majority of danes go to the military after high school. Most danes take 1 or 2 gap years between Uni and high school anyway.
Now you can have some very real criticism of how the enlistment process is just a display of power and the unethical nature of war. However i thought id throw in a stupid story of when i had to get enlisted that shows some obvious issues. I had to go to the mandatory enlistment which was 1 hour away from where i live, i then had a 5 hour day of presentations/tests/medical check ups and other boring stuff with people you don't know. When i was finally done, i went to draw a number along with a conversation with whoever was in charge at the place. Curveball however turns out i didn't need to draw a number cause apparently i had gotten Asthma medication when i was a child and was thus automatically scrapped. Idk why they didn't bother to tell me that before i showed up or idk maybe before i wasted 7 hours at something i couldn't even participate in.
nt officer
In Brazil there is a meme here that the army only serves to paint curbs and cut grass... i.imgur.com/PFQt1yC.png
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but being a cadet and future officer might be cool but i wouldn't want that for my life
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No soldiers, no war.
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That is most stupid think I have ever heard.
If you're passionate about the military and feel a need to join, you should. Most volunteer military's have a preliminary contract (3 to 4 years). So if it's not your cup of tea, you don't re-sign and move on in life.
I joined the armed forces after I finished college because I had a huge desire to give it a go, and I don't regret doing it for a second. I did 8 years in the Canadian Military and got a lot of good experience and life skill from it. But I knew I didn't want to do it for 25 years and moved on.
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Get another Job. When you join the military try and join a trade that gives you skills. Straight up infantry doesn't translate that well to the real world, so pick something like combat engineer, Communications, Supply and logistics. That way you have experience that can translate to the real world.
I think it is a perfect idea
In Poland, if you study towards it and you're planning to make a solid career, then it's great. Great living, early retirement. If you like military in general, you're interested in it and you see yourself in it, then it's an amazing idea.
But if you are planning to join the military to become a solider, and never rise through the ranks then you're quite a loser. Right now, they offer you almost 2 times the minimum wage straight away so it's very appealing for young men who don't want to go to college, or think of anything different.
Personally, I wouldn't join the military as there are definitely better options. It's not the worst idea in the world tho.
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Not for me. In my case the army was full of retarted people who act like 16 yo kids.
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Well there were many small moments that convinced me to leave.
First all low level staffers were horrible, and didint have any respect for anyone., most of my roommates were the same. People wanted so much to drink alcohol that they started to drink shampoo's that had some % in it.
The true issue was that i didint want to be there in first place. You should not force people to join army in peace time. These thibg would have been fine if i had motivation
If you are dumb as a brick and you have no skills what so ever military can be considered, else it is just a shit career path in all ways possible
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haha saw a couple of days ago that they have 1 ship on a lake and it looks abandoned
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yeah
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Really good stuff!
Interesting to see more of the Slavic world
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hopefully this shit is over soon
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I really hope people stop to die for nothing ;(
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Ready to board the other ship with their horses
someone did a documentary on the Mongolian navy where they interviewed some of the “active” personnel
i am against it, i am a pacifist.
military service in israel is mandatory, i myself served as a combat soldier. while i think it's important that we enlist and serve, my country doesn't take orthodox jews and some other religions unless they volunteer, which is unfortunate.
i think that if someone doesn't want to serve in the army, he should at least serve the country in other ways- we have something that's called "a service to the nation" which is spending 2 years at hospitals, mda (basically our red cross) and places like that, but this is not a default thing like serving in the army yet.
im going to join the military academy when i finish highschool. hopefully ill be an officer in the croatian army.
Surprised Anton hasn't replied already (or I'm blind)
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Speak of the devil...
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Ngl, complete coincidence. Just looking at HLTV before I sleep
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but when you go to the military, you have to be ready to go kill people, right? how can u go to the military and expect a 0% chance to kill someone? maybe for sweden before joining the NATO that was the case, but for countries that are part of NATO (+ some other countries), possibility of killing people exists
good for y'all poor clowns go in there and die for us the rich
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Doing military services was the worst period of my life du tue how blatanly racist the Swedes in försvarsmakten were. Although now afterwards im super proud of myself for doing that but I could never join the military. I don't have the same beliefs as we have in sweden nor do i want to fight the americans war.
Dont become a soldier, its social suicide.
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I have a completely differnet view, i ,ofcourse, have not done lumpen, but am in military-youth and there are no more rascists here than back in school. But maybe you served in the south? And ive never meet so many interesting people before joining, it actually saved my social life, not the opposite.
But always fun to hear peoples stories.
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I was an officer a few years ago, it’s cool if you’re slotted into an operational battalion, but other than that civilian life is 100x better. I make much more money and I’m much more free
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Wait, what? No, as an officer I was making 8x minimum wage here, which as like 2k dollars/month , it doesn’t seems too much but our currency is devaluated now, and the cost of living is very low here for dollars standards so you can live comfortably as upper middle class being a low rank officer as I was.
Soldiers get paid more than minimum wage and Sargeants were paid like 3-4x minimum wage so definitely it isn’t bad.
My point is, I’m a specialist doctor now, earning around 10k dollars monthly so No point in going back to the army, even the doors being open for a return.
many people say "depending on your country", while it is somewhat true if we re talking about poor and under developed countries but in other case, it depends way more on your personality rather than the country you're serving in.
here are some examples :
not many talk about that, whether you take the normal path or the officer path. that is very important for military career.
whether you can stay motivated for long; a lot of jobs in the military are repetitive, just like civil jobs but they might be harder and more dangerous ( for example civilian mechanic and navy mechanic, both do pretty much the same job on paper, only navy mechanic dives down to unimaginary places in the ship which is way harder) , sometimes as a civilian you can change your job tomorrow but in case of military its way harder and you might be stuck in a position you dont like for way longer than you can imagine. there are a lot more to it than just 2 of these examples.
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just for context in the second example what i meant is that most of the times you dont have the right to choose.
as a civilian you can choose whether you want to be a ship mechanic or a car mechanic, but in the army its usually "ah you have somewhat of a background in mechanics (whether you played lego or fixed bikes), we will throw you in a shit place nobody wants, without asking you"
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Joined the marines at 18 straight out of high school and its just another job. I'm only an aircraft mechanic so its much different than someone in infantry. Im also not even that big on politics, I just see it as a way for me to gain experience for after I get out.
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Both of my grandfathrs and my dad, all of my uncles on both sides of my family served in the RAF/Army.
With the current state of this country/EU/USA mess there is not a chance I would sign up and neither would both of my brothers.
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It's actually pretty much the same for me.
I didn't see any point potentially killing people on the other side of the planet even tho I was supposed to sign a 12 year contract to become an officer.
If the country has to be protected I'm there but if not hell no
nope, never
we should be talking about demilitarization instead, it's 2023
Don't really have an option to say no. But I think its good here. Obviously its mandatory service so not exactly like "joining". Will be going there soon and I'm really excited. Good way to get more fit while you get to do some cool and once in a lifetime stuff. I think being a soldier would be pretty good especially if you don't really know what to do with your life yet.
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what a low testosterone post, flag checks out
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yes, brotherhood is high t
not like a citizen of a fake country would understand that
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not even american lmao, keep seething
belgium is a fake country
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Not a fan of the idea of becoming a sacrificial pawn. To be a good soldier, you need to have disposition towards it, which I certainly am not. I dislike violence, I hate taking risks. And I do not like following someone's else's orders. All of that work, all of that risk, to fight for something else than things that I myself personally care about. Someone has to do it, but I'm not the piece that fits.
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I guess i qualify to answer this question as i'm currently active duty. You got 2 options.
1 - Join if you want to, you will not regret it and if you do it wasn't for you, and you can just go civilian again, but remember it will not be easy, but the hard work pays off.
2 - Don't join, but make sure that you are absolutely 100% certain that it isn't for you, because if you wake up as a 30+, 40+ or 50+ year old, and suddenly feel regret that you never served, then it is too late, so you should make up your mind while you are young.
You can always watch videos, and speak to people who have done or are doing it, and maybe that will help make up your mind. But honestly i've served with many, that thought it was what they wanted, but they ended up finding out it wasn't for them anyway, but one thing they all have in common, is that i never heard a single soldier saying he/she regretted it, you will always have something good to take away from it all.
I'm not a girl to join the military
Also we already have one MilitaryGirl why should I go
I always thought about it as a good backup plan. If u've failed to get good education and decent job, u can always join the military and become successful social unit.
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Not nowadays apparently, but during safe times should be good of course
i would never, unless i was somehow extremely desperate
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I'm not dying for an oil company
I served in the army for almost 10 years. I was enlisted first, then commissioned.
i think the military is an excellent way to transition into an adult. my parents taught me to do the right thing, they taught me the value of a dollar, and they instilled good school/work habits.
but there's nothing like the military. you do things their way, which is the only way. they teach structure, discipline, teamwork, leadership, and patience. everything they teach you has a purpose, which is to accomplish the mission and keep your people safe.
i jumped out of planes and helicopters, i used high explosives, shot thousands and thousands of rounds of ammo, i've been in armored vehicles, lead soldiers, and administered an incredible amount of training. there's no other profession like the military. you get paid (quite well) to play with all those awesome gadgets and toys. plus... you're in the best shape of your life.
however, you go where they tell you..... family life can be very, very difficult. you might be at one base for 3-5 years, then they'll ship you off across the country for another 3-5 years. your kids get uprooted from school, your wife needs to change jobs and social groups... it can be very stressful
i've been out for 5 years. i think about it all the time.... if you're single and looking for something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than what you have now, i think it's absolutely worth it.
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i'd think not.
the older you get, the more you're set in your ways. that sharp of an attitude change probably wouldn't go well.
youth gives you drive and focus
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Lets put it this way; I think its very important that working in army is respectable career option for everyone. If not, it could easily become the place for everyone incapable to do anything else. I wouldn't want such people to be the only kind of people to be in charge of everyone else / protect everyone else if its ever necessary. Having all kinds of people in there also prevents the army from becoming political piece of most kinds.
There are good and bad things working in military. Generally both the job and payment is quaranteed. Risk going to war is pretty much zero (unless total war), unless you want it yourself. Not for me, but nothing to be ashamed of.
Was my plan b although it would've just been for getting paid for fitness, firing guns in a shooting range, driving a tank... All the training stuff. As I think I have a pretty realistic imagination of being in a war, I gotta admit that I might not have the guts.
Could be different if it came to defending ourselves, but I wouldn't want to go abroad, risking my life for the business of someone else.
If I will not succed in my job or I will not like anything I will do, I will go military. Military rn is really good, atleast in Poland. You have elastic hours, they will give you food and money. They will teach you discipline and provide physical fitness, and in Poland you can retire very early. And there are bunch of bonuses for you. It's good in poland, idk about ur country
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Is that good in israel?
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less than a fifth of the minimum wage, so no
imagine going to war to die because some politicians fucked something up lol
Considering educating myself in the military, tech stuff
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i wonder who do you expect to defend you if sometime your country gets attacked
Hell no,,
what's your rank?
TURKEY MILITARY STRONGEST MILITARY IN NATO !
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I don't like shooting, apart from video games. I've shot a gun and it feels wired. Imagine you can hurt little and nice things in a blink of an eye. Does not suit me well. Neither the other 99900 possible injury types you can inflict on yourself and others. War is for the enslaved or sadomasochists. I don't go much close no either of these. For a fkn 33 years I've been solving problems, big and small only with the power of reasoning and mutual understanding. Conflict is for hunter-gatherer lifestyle, or abstract entertainment/recreation, please keep it there.
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i would like to see you trying to talk some sense into artillery shells
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I'll not be interested to position myself in such environment, unless there are no other options. If you point at any of the various military world conflicts, civilians usually have "years" of "hints" to "what is coming". Not being prepared is either very bad luck or lack of self-preservation. The latter one can influence, aka gtfo asap when tshtf.
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so you would cower and hide while your homeland gets destroyed?
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Change is inevitable, what I or you would do in such scenario is up to us, but sometimes whatever we do, the inevitable change will come. In my own view it is not cower out of fear to lose something personal. as we all already play on the losing sides while a conflict is established, but tactical maneuver with specific consequences. There is nothing wrong with standing to fight, but I find other solutions much more adequate, considering the current fighting ways. So yes, in short I will cower and run away, unless something very vital is threatened, without options to discuss it out, or find a way out of it w/o force (for example my immediate health or someone's else being in danger).
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More like, I have a respect for it. A reverence.
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what did you do ?
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unluko, did u do any jail time?
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i thought switzerland was antimilitary
joining the military because you want to protect your country? nah, join because you want to ki--
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Can be good, can be bad, depending on your country.
In Germany it can be a great choice if you want to study either despite bad grades or if you’re can afford it on your own.
I’m thinking about joining for basic training in three years when I’ve finished my Emergency medic training
I look forward to it. Got accepted into a good job in the army that will give me a lot of career paths in the future.
Also I think that the army is what makes kids men , and it also makes you meet people you wouldn't otherwise, which is good
Depends on where you're from and your values.
idk it's a career like any other
Doing it in brazil is only worth it if you go to school to become a CO though, otherwise it's basically gonna involve a salary that cant afford anything and getting treated like shit even if you make it to NCO and there's gonna be no action
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