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Counter-Strike > CS2 VS CSGO FPS Apparently xd
CS2 VS CSGO FPS Apparently xd
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson 
twitter.com/ThourCS/status/1666677416473.. What are your thoughts , because i remember people saying we should be expecting a fps boost with source 2 xd PC Specs in that tweet say - i5-12400f, GTX 1660TI , 16GB RAM
2023-06-08 11:26
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#1
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Brazil 0mega_
A BR youtuber already exposed Valve CS2 doesn't have better graphics than CSGO, it simply has the CSGO map textures and filters option set to Very High and then they removed this option from video settings in CS2 SHAMELESS The only thing that can save CS2 from being a shameless, lazy flop is a good anticheat. If VAC is the only AC again may God help me
2023-06-08 11:30
66 replies
#7
KSCERATO | 
Czech Republic mr_unlikeable
There are 3 types of map changes: Full overhaul maps, Upgraded maps, Touchstone maps. Dust and mirage are just Touchstone maps. counter-strike.net/cs2?l=english
2023-06-08 11:34
13 replies
#15
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Brazil 0mega_
Yeah Touchstone maps are shameless They're old maps with effects and shaders turned on Very High and option removed Company didn't want to add 128 tick because of "user's computers not handling it" then won't allow you to lower shader and effects so "new game" looks good. Shameless shameless shameless...
2023-06-08 11:41
12 replies
#60
Poland Andrew202
its not some effects and shaders, its basically upgraded lighting from source2. Getting nice and realistic lighting in games is 80% success in terms of graphics, rest are post processes and high quality textures
2023-06-08 12:26
7 replies
#61
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Brazil 0mega_
#37
2023-06-08 12:28
6 replies
#63
Poland Andrew202
yeah, all I see is better lighting, its a huge improvment how the light works and reacts with the world
2023-06-08 12:31
5 replies
#78
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Brazil 0mega_
...there are cables/lamps/stairs/details on the walls that drop FPS by quite a lot in CSGO, and now you can't lower it in CS2
2023-06-08 12:44
4 replies
#80
Poland Andrew202
you know how static objects like this adds very little overhead, basically no performance impact at all, whats killing fps in every game is lighting, shadows, fx, post processes and badly made AI, Valve made an amazing job optimizing CS2, even in early beta it works really nicely. You know how hard it had to be to make those interactive smoke grenades not ruin performance. It may not look like it but its really complicated FX with collisions, you can have like 5 of those thrown in the same time and game is still stable and doesnt have any big performance hits.
2023-06-08 12:54
3 replies
#84
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Brazil 0mega_
High effects and Very High shaders do affect performance and are directly related to some of the lightning that you're mentioning, that's why CSGO knives look way better on High shaders than Low.
2023-06-08 12:58
2 replies
#87
Poland Andrew202
how are cables/lamps/stairs/details part of the shaders?
2023-06-08 12:59
1 reply
#93
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Brazil 0mega_
They only show up with High effects Very High shaders They don't show up with High effects High shaders
2023-06-08 13:05
#154
Thomas | 
United Kingdom Legoshi
Homie does not know what hes talking about
2023-06-08 22:02
#161
World RealEssin
Till me learned a new word in English without telling me you learned a new word in English.
2023-06-09 10:53
#173
electroNic | 
Romania Jaggermeister
bro u don`t understand a damn thing kkkkkkkkkkk
2023-06-09 13:30
#181
frozen | 
Slovakia RetardedCat
clueless
2023-06-09 13:40
#13
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Germany Germen
My guy exposed something that Valve stated publicly 💀💀
2023-06-08 11:36
18 replies
#19
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Brazil 0mega_
Where did they say both the shaders and effects options would get removed and defaulted to Very High, tweet or smth?
2023-06-08 11:41
17 replies
#26
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
No, but when they basically said smokes and all those things would have no advantage or one way it means everybody has to play with same config, if not, if you lower the smoke, meaning less particles or different shader, it's impossible to be the same and can be exploited.
2023-06-08 11:46
16 replies
#37
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Brazil 0mega_
Nothing to do with what's being discussed who's talking about smokes 💀💀💀💀 Shaders and effects affect map and FPS i.imgur.com/duEnk6K.jpg In order: CSGO Low - CSGO Very High shaders/effects CS2 everything low (shaders and effects option removed and set to Very High)
2023-06-08 11:55
15 replies
#43
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
You have less geo on the first image, not just worst texture.
2023-06-08 11:59
14 replies
#50
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Brazil 0mega_
Bro...that's what High effects + Very High shaders do to the map (everything else on low)...Are you reading what I'm writing? God give me strength 🤦‍♂️
2023-06-08 12:08
13 replies
#53
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
Sure, that's why on cs2 you can't change that because it's not only affecting how shaders and textures look, it changes geo too, which can lead to an advantage, like what happens now with molos that depending on which setting you have you can see through them easily or not. In the screenshot that geo doesn't affect the gameplay, but probably it can affect in other areas.
2023-06-08 12:14
12 replies
#58
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Brazil 0mega_
Holy shit, motherfuckers just can't take an L and admit they were wrong or didn't know what they were talking about, un fucking believable Yeaaaaaaah yeahhhhhhhh bro, they totally didn't remove those options so the "new" game would look better, they did because...uh, because...you might get an advantage by...NOT HAVING A FUCKING LAMP AND A FUCKING CABLE IN YOUR MAP THAT YOU COULD ALREADY REMOVE IN 10 YEARS OF CSGO?? OMFG STFU I should get paid to read this dumb shit. WHO THE FUCK IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT MOLOTOVS, OR SMOKES? ARE YOU FFUCKING LOST? WE'VE BEEN ONLY TALKING ABOUT MAP EFFECTS AND SHADERS OPTIONS THAT DROP YOUR FPS BY 30% WHILE YOU'RE JUST RUNNING AROUND BY YOURSELF, did you forget to take your meds? WTF am I reading? If you're going to type dumb shit, don't, go do something else, be quiet
2023-06-08 12:25
11 replies
#64
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
2023-06-08 12:31
1 reply
#175
electroNic | 
Romania Jaggermeister
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2023-06-09 13:31
#72
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France Kweyy
Ain't the sharpest tool in the shed are ya?
2023-06-08 12:39
#83
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Poland CSGO_AND_HLTV_ADDICT
cry
2023-06-08 12:56
#108
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United States Gabriel955
These people are dumb as shite
2023-06-08 14:31
#113
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
you forgot your meds
2023-06-08 14:59
#117
World SynCy
Take your own advice and take the L and admit you're wrong.
2023-06-08 15:04
#134
Freya | 
Denmark rolade
average brazilian
2023-06-08 15:47
#163
World RealEssin
When 1+1 doesn’t equal 2, WRITE IN CAPS AMD YOU ARE STILL RIGHT!!
2023-06-09 10:57
#174
electroNic | 
Romania Jaggermeister
sanest brazilian
2023-06-09 13:31
#182
frozen | 
Slovakia RetardedCat
clueless
2023-06-09 13:43
#20
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
stopped reading at BR
2023-06-08 11:41
#28
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North America SK_Skay
BR youtuber? we dont care then
2023-06-08 11:49
2 replies
#52
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Brazil 0mega_
#37 cope ez 4 Santos Dumont
2023-06-08 12:09
#54
NiKo | 
Portugal lies2
+7-1
2023-06-08 12:14
#55
Latvia pRopaaNS
Sounds like bullshit.
2023-06-08 12:16
22 replies
#59
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Brazil 0mega_
#37 nope
2023-06-08 12:23
21 replies
#62
Latvia pRopaaNS
Ok, so CS2 only have texture maps and filters set on very high, there are 0 other improvements to the engine. That's all that source2 adds, Volvo so lazy.
2023-06-08 12:29
20 replies
#69
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Brazil 0mega_
"there are 0 other improvements to the engine" Where did I say that? Are you hearing voices? This is the main cause for a fucking 40% FPS drop for a game that barely changed. Or what, do I now have to debate Valve white knights that the game didn't change much visually? Is the new cope? Very High shaders and High effects drop your FPS by a lot in CSGO, and now you can't lower them. "S-Sounds like bullshit" and then when proven wrong starts strawmanning and acting ironic like a clown Give me a break, lil guy
2023-06-08 12:38
19 replies
#71
Latvia pRopaaNS
"CS2 doesn't have better graphics than CSGO, it simply has the CSGO map textures and filters option set to Very High and then they removed this option from video settings in CS2 SHAMELESS"
2023-06-08 12:39
16 replies
#73
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Brazil 0mega_
Yes, graphics. Engine = graphics?
2023-06-08 12:39
15 replies
#76
Latvia pRopaaNS
How are graphics relevant to competitive CS? What held CSGO back was always the engine. It's ridiculous that 400++fps is required to run game well, and still occasionally stutters. Back in days we played Cs 1.6 with fps_max at 100 by default just fine, and it ran smooth as butter.
2023-06-08 12:43
14 replies
#81
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Brazil 0mega_
Like...who's talking about competitive CS? Graphics are relevant to the tweet that the creator of the thread posted because the things I pointed out are directly related to the increased 20% GPU usage and 40% FPS drop that's mentioned in the tweet. Dota 2 didn't have 40% FPS drops when going to Source 2 because Valve didn't hide video options. And ofc, 1.6 ran way better with fps_max 101 than CSGO with 400 fps, but that's not the discussion.
2023-06-08 12:54
13 replies
#85
Latvia pRopaaNS
Em, what are you on about. What matters is if game runs smoothly. Average fps is no measurement for that. The things that causes microstutters and unsmooth performance is not graphics. It's all engine.
2023-06-08 12:58
12 replies
#89
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Brazil 0mega_
Because "smooth" is subjective, FPS is not. French dude mentions a 40% FPS drop, I mention the hidden options that are set to Very High. I'm the one that should be asking what are you on about.
2023-06-08 13:01
11 replies
#92
Latvia pRopaaNS
You're completely off a rail, arguing over irrelevant things. Talking about graphics being so lazy and having nothing new, you're completely off a rail there too. 1. The new shadow rendering; 2. All the new models; 3. Ray tracing being incorporated into valve hammer editor that makes much better lighting in maps; 4. The new effects; 5. Grass; etc.
2023-06-08 13:05
10 replies
#97
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Brazil 0mega_
"You're completely off a rail, arguing over irrelevant things." No way I'm reading this 💀💀💀💀 As #7 pointed out, Touchstone maps were barely even touched and already present a 40% FPS drop. FOH with fucking "shadow rendering" and "grass". I literally JUST mentioned Dota 2, which had improvement on water visuals and lightning and still didn't drop anywhere near 40% in performance. This is so cringe, gets proven wrong 10 posts ago and is still on a schizophrenic episode, my God.
2023-06-08 13:11
9 replies
#101
Latvia pRopaaNS
I thought your argument was that Valve was lazy and that source2 adds nothing new to graphics, other than locking texture maps and filtering to very high. So is your point that Source2 graphics adds nothing new, or is it that it ruins fps? And new shadows are already in. If talking just about an average fps drop, then I fail to see the relevance. Considering that fps doesn't determine how smoothly the new version of game runs. And for those with bad rigs, should have been planning ahead to upgrade ever since cs2 was announced.
2023-06-08 13:24
8 replies
#105
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Brazil 0mega_
"I thought your argument was that Valve was lazy and that source2 adds nothing new to graphics" Yes, on Touchstone maps there's pretty much nothing new, and both of the maps we had access to were Touchstone. "So is your point that Source2 graphics adds nothing new, or is it that it ruins fps". It "adds" two immutable graphic settings that already existed in CSGO and that severely decrease FPS. A 40% drop for these two settings and an Instagram filter on Touchstone maps is pathetic. "fps doesn't determine how smoothly the new version of game runs". Again, "smooth" is subjective, GPU usage and FPS are not. If you only care about "smoothness" then stop replying to me because it's worthless to debate subjective points, and this discussion was and will always be about FRAMES PER SECONDS and GRAPHICS PROCESSING UNIT usage. So, why are you making me repeat myself all over again? All 3 things I answered in this post I had already talked about before, do you just enjoy wasting my time with your useless replies?
2023-06-08 14:17
7 replies
#109
Latvia pRopaaNS
"Yes, on Touchstone maps there's pretty much nothing new, and both of the maps we had access to were Touchstone." Just false. Or a skewed interpretation of the beta, to be generous. "It "adds" two immutable graphic settings that already existed in CSGO and that severely decrease FPS. A 40% drop for these two settings and an Instagram filter on Touchstone maps is pathetic." I glaze over this point, because 1) it isn't the only thing in CS2 that affects fps; 2) if you are right on that and it's true, then valve can just add the setting back at any point they want. "Again, "smooth" is subjective, GPU usage and FPS are not." Only when talking about benchmarks. When actually playing the game, you don't keep staring at the fps number, all you notice is how smooth or laggy gameplay is.
2023-06-08 14:32
6 replies
#124
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Brazil 0mega_
"J-just false HURDURRRDURR IM RETARDED" "Touchstone Maps Classic maps with solid foundations that players can use to evaluate gameplay changes from CS:GO to Counter-Strike 2. These have improvements to lighting and character read, but otherwise haven't been changed." "then valve can just add the setting back at any point they want". They won't so the game looks better, that's the entire fucking point. And omfg no way you're talking about SMOOTHNESS FOR THE 5TH TIME WHEN I ALREADY SAID IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND WORTHLESS TO DISCUSS, MY GOD YOU'RE DUMB Holy shit is this how special ED teachers feel like? Unreal
2023-06-08 15:27
5 replies
#127
Latvia pRopaaNS
I guess you're just type of personality to make hard assumptions even on loose things, subject to change/interpretation. You're just assuming you're the one seeing the truth and that everything else is wrong. Your interpretations are easily argued against, while you can't handle people having these differing opinions. "They won't so the game looks better, that's the entire fucking point." Or maybe they force it now, so that beta looks good in any revealed footage around? How do you know if there won't be any expansion to graphics settings, that's just your assumption.
2023-06-08 15:39
4 replies
#130
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Brazil 0mega_
Suure, they intentionally hid 2 essential video settings that make the game look better (and run worse) on launch just to "test things out hehe". W/e, what a worthless discussion, and all because you got mad and for whatever reason after being corrected on #55 and started acting like a woman on her period. Goodbye
2023-06-08 15:43
3 replies
#136
Latvia pRopaaNS
You're way too hot on bashing a beta version of game. Or don't understand what beta means. Get off a hate train.
2023-06-08 15:48
2 replies
#138
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Brazil 0mega_
You're the typical "it's just a beta, stop pointing out flaws" when the whole point of a beta is to improve the game by pointing out flaws. I can't with Valve fanboys. Are you a Valve employee or something? You were talking about 1.6, so I assume you were here for the CS:GO beta. If players (even pros) didn't complain on a daily basis about how terrible the game was on beta the franchise would've died 8 years ago.
2023-06-08 15:56
1 reply
#140
Latvia pRopaaNS
Assuming your premises are true, for sake of the following argument. Valve is not stupid. They have all the data on what hardware cs players have. If any significant portion still uses outdated hardware by time CS2 is about to go live, then it will simply be to detriment for them to keep those settings under a lock.
2023-06-08 16:03
#110
dupreeh | 
Algeria he_car
those 900 fps you were getting in csgo are not gonna affect anything if it still feels like you're playing on 50 fps combined with those amazing stutters.
2023-06-08 14:34
1 reply
#114
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
true lol. i have drops to 350 fps in DM just now and it feels worse than just 100 fps in cs 1.6
2023-06-08 15:00
#107
HooXi | 
Asia R3nder
Stop reading at flag
2023-06-08 14:29
#112
tabseN | 
Switzerland m4urice
man you're always literally JUST crying on every fucking post
2023-06-08 14:42
4 replies
#125
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Brazil 0mega_
How am I not supposed to cry when I'm surrounded by retards that won't admit they're wrong when proven wrong and outmatched by my high IQ and vast knowledge.
2023-06-08 15:29
3 replies
#129
tabseN | 
Switzerland m4urice
i thought you're just a really angry dude but reading the "my high IQ and vast knowledge." made me realizing u just bait
2023-06-08 15:41
2 replies
#133
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Brazil 0mega_
Meh, only half. Bragging is cringe so that part is bait/sarcasm but I do outsmart the 2nd smartest HLTV user by at least 20 IQ points. And today people are acting extra dense and stupid for whatever reason. Actually, it's always this way with Valve white knights, they're mentally ill.
2023-06-08 15:46
1 reply
#185
frozen | 
Slovakia RetardedCat
u r in a denial and clueless af
2023-06-09 13:47
#2
device | 
Netherlands VeraDijkmans
Should still run decent enough on mid-high tier PCs
2023-06-08 11:29
11 replies
#3
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Russia DELUSIONAL_RX580_FAN
2004 graphics tho.
2023-06-08 11:31
4 replies
#4
device | 
Netherlands VeraDijkmans
It's CS not Battlefield
2023-06-08 11:32
3 replies
#5
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Russia DELUSIONAL_RX580_FAN
Exactly, that's why it should run on potato PCs too then.
2023-06-08 11:33
2 replies
#8
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Tbh, real xd
2023-06-08 11:35
#9
device | 
Netherlands VeraDijkmans
What do you know bro
2023-06-08 11:35
#6
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
But i remember people were saying that source 2 will give fps boost XD
2023-06-08 11:33
5 replies
#11
device | 
Netherlands VeraDijkmans
I do aswell
2023-06-08 11:35
#27
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
It would give some boost with same exact config in game, obviously there's better shaders, better light and fx improved so that eats the performance even it's more optimized and use more cpu/gpu than csgo
2023-06-08 11:48
#90
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Bosnia and Herzegovina finci
Wasnt it that it will limit the 1% and 0.1% lows and not entirely the max fps?
2023-06-08 13:04
#115
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
because source2 did give FPS boost in DotA2, but the game pretty much wasnt improved visually. cs2 has way better graphics now. also once they fix rendering with vulkan, you may have more fps than you have in csgo now. that is assuming they fix/add vulkan support
2023-06-08 15:02
#144
Latvia pingZx
Well, I only expected Source 2 engine to better utilize all of the components, which in turn would possibly enhance performance in certain situation. Yet it is still CPU heavy, whilst not even utilizing the it fully. LMAO.
2023-06-08 17:54
#10
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Germany Germen
It's a beta, performance related issues will be solved over time. Also there is so many things you can fiddle around with settings and having different system specs, one guy showing a single screenshot doesn't mean shit
2023-06-08 11:35
4 replies
#18
hades | 
Fiji barushehe
+1
2023-06-08 11:41
#23
Finland KaljaMaha
+1
2023-06-08 11:45
#160
kobruh | 
British Virgin Islands Vitamin_Protein
Copium overdose. CS2 is CSGO with fancy smokes and worse performance and graphics
2023-06-09 10:51
#184
Zyphon | 
Europe clegur
+1
2023-06-09 13:47
#12
f0rest | 
Romania CSm1n
> because i remember people saying we should be expecting a fps boost with source 2 xd this is why you should not listen to randos online
2023-06-08 11:35
6 replies
#14
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Yea , thats true
2023-06-08 11:36
#94
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Europe Zinn0
Better performance if it was the same game
2023-06-08 13:07
#96
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Andorra mopGOD420
+1
2023-06-08 13:11
#116
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
youtu.be/FQJQQMM9L28?t=56 yeah bro dont listen!
2023-06-08 15:04
2 replies
#122
f0rest | 
Romania CSm1n
ok, now read some opinions from actual players: reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/foyqk4/did_d.. also keep in mind dota2 reborn was just a port to s2, cs2 is more than that. also note that dota2 was released in 2013 and ported to source 2 in 2015. csgo was released in 2012 and finally transitioned to s2 in 2023, so there are lots of things that were due an overhaul for cs2 in comparison to dota2 reborn
2023-06-08 15:23
1 reply
#141
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
so you agree that your comment was nonsense? because people were saying the FPS would be better because they assumed the game would stay the same as it was which was a correct assumption given on how much work valve puts into csgo (0)
2023-06-08 16:58
#16
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United Kingdom HuzzyBoii
Nobody said there would be higher fps The new engine almost guaranteed a drop in fps on lower end machines
2023-06-08 11:40
12 replies
#24
Europe fankju
People are so delusional, they want a new game with better graphics from 2023 and want to run it on high fps on a potato pc, they are developers not magicians lol
2023-06-08 11:45
3 replies
#35
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Slovakia kiddtokyo
And you wanna say the game improved in any way? Minor visual changes with new physics taking 40% fps toll :D What a garbage
2023-06-08 11:52
2 replies
#100
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Serbia chupe
did u even played it? there is big difference when playing cs2 on 300 fps and csgo on 300 fps. Game will be much more smoother on cs2 with lower fps than in csgo
2023-06-08 13:15
#178
kobruh | 
British Virgin Islands Vitamin_Protein
+1
2023-06-09 13:32
#34
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Slovakia kiddtokyo
40% difference is pretty huge. Deffinitely wasnt expected
2023-06-08 11:51
6 replies
#75
mzinho | 
Other KittyVN
the thing is max fps is decreased but the fluctuation of fps is decreased so you stay on a more stable fps count which I actually prefer to high count with fluctuation
2023-06-08 12:42
5 replies
#170
Asia mozzycs
maybe fluctuation is decreased because it's not getting high numbers anymore??
2023-06-09 13:12
4 replies
#177
mzinho | 
Other KittyVN
Nah. The fps is way more stable in cs2. Just a better engine
2023-06-09 13:32
3 replies
#187
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Brazil Whillpull
no, it's not imgur.com/a/7gUftFR RTX 4090 1% Low is 50% higher in CSGO than it is in CS2
2023-06-09 14:22
2 replies
#192
mzinho | 
Other KittyVN
wow a single gpu what a good argument lmao
2023-06-09 15:18
1 reply
#193
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Brazil Whillpull
0/8
2023-06-09 15:50
#118
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
if visuals stayed the same, fps would be better. that's just a fact, dota2 is a proof, where it doubled or tripled people's fps.
2023-06-08 15:05
#17
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North Macedonia Svetskii
as long as they turn off mat_fullbright, idc i would play with a 100fps if i have to
2023-06-08 11:40
#21
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United States larrypotato
"PC Specs in that tweet say - i5-12400f, GTX 1660TI , 16GB RAM" That's basically my config+resolution (I have ryzen 7), I never got more than 200 fps on most maps except in spawns
2023-06-08 11:43
24 replies
#25
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Which ryzen 1st gen or what? I have friend with ryzen 5 3600 and he used to get 400 fps everywhere.
2023-06-08 11:46
6 replies
#29
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United States larrypotato
i should mention it's a laptop the GPU for laptop is probably worse than for desktop I don't have the CPU model number rn but I bought it 2.5 years ago
2023-06-08 11:49
2 replies
#30
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Oh, for laptop ye could be lower indeed then.
2023-06-08 11:49
#67
Latvia pRopaaNS
Laptop equivalent GPUs run by few performance tiers lower, because of heat and power limitations. Same for laptop CPUs, other than they aren't actually marketed as same SKUs as desktop counterparts. All in all you can't compare a thin laptop with a proper tower of a PC.
2023-06-08 12:38
#44
donk | 
Laos ZW_EASY
I have the ryzen 3600x with rtx 2070 super, i don't even get stable 400fps on Mirage let alone any other map. I played the CS2 beta the unofficial version and i had about 50fps lower on De_Dust. I can only imagine the new maps :D
2023-06-08 12:02
2 replies
#46
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Yea from what i've heard he has jumping fps nowadays , from 300-400 and some times even lower than 300
2023-06-08 12:03
1 reply
#106
donk | 
Laos ZW_EASY
Probably way lower than 300 on some maps.
2023-06-08 14:23
#31
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
Because people plays with everything on very low, some settings doesn't affect performance, but other does a big hit like aa and all those things, but it's the difference between play an ok game or a 1998 game with potato graphics, I mean, we are not pros, who cares about more frames if you already have more than 200.
2023-06-08 11:50
2 replies
#32
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
I care, because i have 240hz monitor.
2023-06-08 11:50
1 reply
#41
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
lower config then. Search for s1mple or any other pro and copy it that's what most people do to have those +500fps As you stated, same number on a gpu for laptop is usually one family less, so a 1660 probably works like a 1060 or a little less and I used to have 200fps with a 1060 1920x1080 and everything at very high minus aa and anisotropic and maybe something else.
2023-06-08 11:57
#39
Snappi | 
Finland T59
my brother in christ i've got 2080ti and i9-10900k and the highest fps i've ever gotten in csgo was ~500 (granted i dont have any super efficient max fps configs but still), i call bs on 810 fps with "i5-12400f, GTX 1660TI"
2023-06-08 11:55
13 replies
#42
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Seems like tested on offline servers without any player aka bots.
2023-06-08 11:58
1 reply
#102
Netherlands CcARTii
which is a useless way to test performance I have about 100-150 fps less in-game 5v5 CS2 vs CSGO, on an i7 7700k + GTX 980 + 16gb ddr4
2023-06-08 13:34
#119
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
13th gen is like 50 % faster than 10th gen in cs, i think 12th gen could be this much faster too. even 5600X is 30 % faster than 10900k in csgo, and 5600x is like 150 dollar cpu
2023-06-08 15:07
8 replies
#145
Latvia pingZx
Which means Source 2 is the same dog tier engine as Source 1 optimization wise which they supposedly worked on for all these years lol. What a scam.
2023-06-08 17:57
7 replies
#152
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
wtf ? source2 is much better at utilizing both your CPU and GPU, its 2000 times better engine
2023-06-08 19:33
6 replies
#156
Latvia pingZx
Have you actually looked at the usage in the screenshots of the original post? I don't think so.
2023-06-09 08:13
5 replies
#158
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
Not sure if you're baiting or just
2023-06-09 10:02
4 replies
#165
Latvia pingZx
added you to the braindead hltv users list, conversation over.
2023-06-09 12:32
3 replies
#166
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
Yeah, you are just clueless about PC tech xddd bro thinks lower CPU and GPU utilization is better while trying to go for max FPS in any game. If Source2 was as bad as Source1 at utilizing your PC no one would have above 300 fps, not to mention CS2 is currently only alpha build, the CPU and GPU usage will possibly be even higher after few updates like in every other modern game
2023-06-09 12:36
2 replies
#167
Latvia pingZx
As I said, you are braindead. Look at those screenshots, look at the usage. What do you see? 30% CPU and 80% GPU lmao how is it good? Where have I stated that lower usage is better? Why are you putting words in my mouth?
2023-06-09 12:41
1 reply
#169
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
Those are completely normal numbers for videos games like this. DotA after full optimizations on the same engine runs 30-40 % CPU (depending on how many cores does your CPU have) and 70-80 % GPU with no bottlenecks, the game runs 2-3 times faster than it did on Source1. In fact I would expect the twitter guy to run on 100 % GPU usage with how overkill his CPU is for his build.
2023-06-09 12:46
#126
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Belgium mylle
+1
2023-06-08 15:32
#171
Asia mozzycs
old cpu problems. ryzen 150$ cpu go brrr youtu.be/VvU3CxXss4k
2023-06-09 13:21
#22
 | 
Brazil crystalcastlesvanished
I'll probably switch to Valorant my potato pc runs CSGO at 100fps, same performance as Valorant
2023-06-08 11:45
6 replies
#68
breaker | 
Panama Michael_Scofield
bye bye
2023-06-08 12:36
5 replies
#70
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Brazil crystalcastlesvanished
unluko but im not a tryhard player, so if it runs above 60 without dropping, maybe i can still play but yeah, if it runs really bad, valorant is kinda better, its almost the same game anyway
2023-06-08 12:38
4 replies
#103
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North Macedonia kek23
you can try with AMD FSR2, it can boost fps and at least make it playable. maybe it will add 2-3ms input delay but who gives a fuck as long as you can play
2023-06-08 13:37
2 replies
#162
ropz | 
Romania Laskof
Cs2 has fsr1.0 not fsr2 unluko But considering ppl play at like 1024x768, fsr1 might be better for cs
2023-06-09 10:56
1 reply
#164
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North Macedonia kek23
unluko maluko but i guess its better than nothing
2023-06-09 12:12
#104
Europe fankju
Bro just called csgo and valorant a same game
2023-06-08 13:47
#33
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Germany TABSEN_LAN_GOD
Maybe buy new PC, even if a shit PC like in the tweet can run it on 500 FPS it's still a really good performance...
2023-06-08 11:50
4 replies
#45
 | 
United States _edgeworth
lol yeah the amount of people sounding the alarm is crazy. only FIVE HUNDRED frames a second on midrange parts from 4 years ago. during the LIMITED BETA which is probably unoptimized as all hell with extra telemetry and shit to collect data. CS players are the least charitable people imaginable
2023-06-08 12:02
3 replies
#146
Latvia pingZx
i5-12400F released Q1'22. NA education strikes again .
2023-06-08 17:59
2 replies
#153
 | 
United States _edgeworth
was referring more to the 1660ti in the tweet, since i5s and shit cost the same as they did since forever. unlike buying a new gpu which is an actual concern
2023-06-08 21:59
1 reply
#155
Latvia pingZx
This just means that Source 2 is still crap at utilizing resources and is as CPU heavy as Source 1. The only thing you need to get high fps is CPU, again.
2023-06-09 08:12
#36
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Denmark abcdefghijklmnopsrtuvwxyz
I just bought my brother a new PC to csgo, but I took cs2 in mind too, so went a big extra. 5600x, 16gb with 2 more slots available, 6600xt. only for csgo I could've gone with a worse system(like 5500, 1660ti) but thinking of cs2, I thought would be good to go a bit extra
2023-06-08 11:52
2 replies
#172
Asia mozzycs
you're a good brother.
2023-06-09 13:24
1 reply
#194
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Denmark abcdefghijklmnopsrtuvwxyz
thanks brother :)
2023-06-09 15:50
#38
regali | 
Romania burtiqutz
keep in mind that more fps =/= smoother experience, most if not all beta testers said that cs2 feels a lot smoother, even with lower fps and higher frametimes+ a lot of people dont know what most settings do so they don't know how to optimize and if your pc struggled to play csgo, i think it's time to upgrade edit: 3kliksphilip has a good video on lower end gpus if you're interested: youtube.com/watch?v=UkAGQsUq5rI
2023-06-08 11:57
2 replies
#65
AdreN | 
Kazakhstan AdreN_1_major_adreN_0_major
havent tried cs2 but thats probably due to nvidia reflex, thing actually lowers input latency there are measurement tests online such as this youtu.be/N8ZUqT6Tfiw
2023-06-08 12:32
#176
Asia mozzycs
smoother experience =/= more responsive. would you rather a shooter with a delay on and slower but smoother experience or with no delay and faster but with spikes of performance.
2023-06-09 13:32
#40
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
I Forgot to mention i don't care about my pc as i have RYZEN 5 7600X AND RTX 3070 , WITH 32GB RAM XD I just made this thread to see peoples opinions on this lmao
2023-06-08 11:57
#48
Norway firebox_is_triple_ffs
No one said there would be an fps boost with source 2. Just because there's fewer fps doesn't automtically mean the game will perform worse. It's a different engine and it acts differently. As much as I hate Valve people should just wait lol.
2023-06-08 12:06
#49
Latvia pRopaaNS
Average fps doesn't matter that much. What is important is if CS2 fixes microstutters and fps drops.
2023-06-08 12:06
10 replies
#51
hades | 
India RATIONAL_LIQUID_FAN
This. I don’t care if my fps reaches 300 in place but drops below 50 when a few smokes and Molotov drops
2023-06-08 12:08
#57
Poland Avantu
God only one with brain here. People still think that averaging +1000fps is a must lmao. Game feels smooth without any frame pacing issues and it's great. CS2 will still run good on mediocre PCs but at least it will work properly. I just switched to 7900XT GPU and i can't play CS GO because in combination with my 1440p 240Hz freesync monitor it's stuttery mess, while Valorant runs perfect. It's good that Source 2 will be able to utilise modern PC parts correctly.
2023-06-08 12:23
4 replies
#66
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
They care, because they have potato pc that runs csgo at 60fps so they are afraid they will need to ask for a refund or play at 15fps :D
2023-06-08 12:35
3 replies
#74
kennyS | 
France CalmPerson
Well if #40 for you runs at 60 fps then yes i am scared about getting 15 fps men(
2023-06-08 12:41
1 reply
#82
Martinez | 
Europe twitchy_
"PC Specs in that tweet say - i5-12400f, GTX 1660TI , 16GB RAM" FPS: 520 "I Forgot to mention i don't care about my pc as i have RYZEN 5 7600X AND RTX 3070 , WITH 32GB RAM XD I just made this thread to see peoples opinions on this lmao" #32 "I care, because i have 240hz monitor." Did you forget to change alts? Because if you have better pc and that one from the tweet can run at 520, why do you car? lmao
2023-06-08 12:55
#95
Poland Avantu
I think you will get more than 15 fps with proper config if you get 60 in CS GO. On the other hand if you get just 60fps in CS GO then your PC is either broken or really freaking bad. Integrated GPUs can handle like ~100FPS in CS GO nowadays.
2023-06-08 13:07
#77
mzinho | 
Other KittyVN
so true. also who cares if you have 200fps or 400fps if you use a 144hz monitor for example lmao
2023-06-08 12:44
2 replies
#148
Latvia pingZx
200fps and 400fps is a huge difference feeling wise (responsiveness of the game), at least in CSGO. I don't think CS2 is much different.
2023-06-08 18:05
1 reply
#151
mzinho | 
Other KittyVN
cs2 is different. CSgo is the only game I know where that makes a difference
2023-06-08 18:08
#111
dupreeh | 
Algeria he_car
+1
2023-06-08 14:39
#56
Spain Valve_Respecter
my thoughts is that most of you just need to have some patience. I'd make a longer reply, but i given up xD
2023-06-08 12:18
#86
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Finland SharpyS
"GPU Usage: 83% vs 63% CPU Usage: 32% vs 28%" This proves that Source 2 is better optimized than Source 1. If you were to put identically graphically demanting game as CSGO on source 2, it would perform better.
2023-06-08 12:58
4 replies
#120
Waldee | 
Czech Republic Evis1337
correct
2023-06-08 15:08
#121
acoR | 
Denmark RealPissant
Right but getting low FPS on what appears to be almost the same graphics on Dust2 and Mirage is not a great trade if you ask me.
2023-06-08 15:08
2 replies
#142
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Finland SharpyS
But it's not "almost the same graphics". CSGO looks hideous compared to CS2
2023-06-08 17:44
1 reply
#168
s1mple | 
Spain Bruhbbie
+1 It seems that many people here don't have eyes or something
2023-06-09 12:43
#88
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Poland joeroganbjj
I believe my 1050ti and i57400k wont survive cs2
2023-06-08 13:00
2 replies
#137
device | 
United Kingdom worbgge
i have 1050ti and it isn't terrible running cs2
2023-06-08 15:48
1 reply
#139
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Poland joeroganbjj
i boxxed a bfk knife, about 1k worth, i was thinking about selling it and building a new pc, you think thats a good idea?
2023-06-08 15:58
#91
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Europe Zinn0
You guys don’t understand this update brings better graphics and overhaul of maps. But the most important change is that it is now easier for valve to make updates to the game. If cs2 didn’t have dynamic smokes or better graphics the game would run way better than on the source engine. Of course cs2 will run worse when it looks 10x nicer.
2023-06-08 13:05
#98
Europe eu_citizen88542
old ass pc go upgrade brokie
2023-06-08 13:11
#99
interz | 
Other prav
The game isn't out yet, performance optimizations always come last and are limited at the moment
2023-06-08 13:13
#123
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Belgium mylle
You cant get 800 fps in CSGO with those specs...
2023-06-08 15:24
#128
f0rest | 
Greece Graecos
No shit! What a surprise, a game with better graphics, requiring more resources, DA FUCK
2023-06-08 15:40
#131
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Russia shoras
Oh no, I'm only gonna get 300 fps in cs2 instead of 500 in csgo, literally unplayable!!!! - people who create threads like this.
2023-06-08 15:44
#132
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Europe KiroBullS
Just watch these videos and you will understand: youtube.com/watch?v=QTf--p9Ckuk youtube.com/watch?v=UkAGQsUq5rI
2023-06-08 15:44
#135
device | 
United Kingdom worbgge
you don't see the difference between 800 or 500
2023-06-08 15:47
2 replies
#147
Bitchplz | 
Jamaica SeriousHLTVUser
in terms of frame time, anything over 300 is unnoticable by humans regardless of the refresh rate of the monitor.
2023-06-08 18:03
#179
Asia mozzycs
you'd notice a drop from 400-500 tho, while you'd not notice a drop from 800. and not everyone has those fps, so they will notice the drop.
2023-06-09 13:40
#143
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Macau Ex6TenZ retire pls!
> i remember people saying we should be expecting a fps boost with source 2 xd Only stupid morons said that, but what do you expect from them?
2023-06-08 17:48
#149
Bitchplz | 
Jamaica SeriousHLTVUser
it will be better with more updates. but smooth 250 fps > not-so-smooth 500 fps of cs go.
2023-06-08 18:05
3 replies
#159
mzinho | 
Other KittyVN
100% facts
2023-06-09 10:45
#180
Asia mozzycs
0% facts
2023-06-09 13:40
1 reply
#190
Bitchplz | 
Jamaica SeriousHLTVUser
10% luck 20% skill 15% concentrated power of will 5% pleasure 50% pain
2023-06-09 14:52
#150
United Kingdom kennyvenom
Can we just all be thankful they haven't fucked up the popular maps, as I'm sure most developers would want to put their own spin on things and piss off the fans, as they do with most game sequels.
2023-06-08 18:07
#157
Slovakia JURITO1000
Yeah compare beta game with 10y old "polished" (still dogshit,lot of stuttering) game xD low iq people srsly Diablo4 beta was terrible and the full version is amazing
2023-06-09 08:56
#191
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Russia DELUSIONAL_COULD9_FAN
dev builds are usually very laggy because of lack of optimization so yes this kinda sucks
2023-06-09 14:54
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