Forum thread: compLexity changes

i mean they would still compete in NA likely but honestly the changes wouldnt be terrible

2023-06-09 03:27

They will get destroyed by lobas pug team

2023-06-09 03:27

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d0cc is insane

2023-06-09 03:29

2023-06-09 06:58

sonic is good but hallzerk is def better +flamez would be sick tho maybe -fang +stew if he starts to grind again but I doubt it

2023-06-09 03:28

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yes but they get to play Asia RMR with sonic

2023-06-09 03:29

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they basically get a free pass in NA RMR anyway

2023-06-09 03:38

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Not necessarily all the time

2023-06-09 03:59

the imperial incident

2023-06-09 05:51

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ITS HAPPENING AGAIN TMR!

2023-06-09 06:00

+STEW??????? Nah bro he finished

2023-06-09 06:56

keep hallzerk and -someone +sonic

2023-06-09 03:29

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2 Awpers, why not? -JT and +Junior too

2023-06-09 03:56

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3 awpers, why not? -grim +m0e

2023-06-09 05:59

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4 awpers, why not? -Fang +JW

2023-06-09 06:40

saw someone say here that he isnt primarily a awper

2023-06-09 19:45

actually smart wtf

2023-06-09 03:30

insane to drop a top 10 AWP in Hallzerk for a guy that’s been out of the scene so long

2023-06-09 03:30

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ZywOo s1mple sh1ro cadiaN SunPayus degster device zorte nawwk headtr1ck hades Jame zevy w0nderful syrsoN which of these players are worse than hallzerk

2023-06-09 03:33

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the bottom half of this list A) inactive B) have no sample size or C) are objectively worse hades, syrsoN, zevy, nawwk, headtr1ck, zorte, w0nderful Reminder that Hallzerk is a 1.10 rated AWP this year on LAN

2023-06-09 03:39

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hltv.org/stats/players/compare/12840/hal.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/12840/hal.. (ties go to player not farming NA RMR) hltv.org/stats/players/compare/12840/hal.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/12840/hal.. (ties go to player not farming NA RMR)

2023-06-09 03:44

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Spirit and NIP regularly played T3 CCT events. Who’s inflating numbers?

2023-06-09 03:48

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CCT events that every non-coL/Liquid NA team would get stomped. Liquid and CoL wouldn't even win most of the CCT events.

2023-06-09 03:51

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Nice try. COL smashes ESEA Cash Cups against Cooper, probably one of the best AWPers in the world

2023-06-09 03:51

zevy like wtf. Zevy is shitting his pant on LAN. Hallzerk is clearly better than him Syrson is inactive and was statspadding online matches. nawk and hades are good, but it is more a recent bias than anything else. Headtrick like wtf too ? You should fallen too, guardian, kennys. He is not a top10 awper, but clearly, you don't like hallzerk to rank him below zevy (on statspadding online matches), syrson who has been inactive for 6 months and headtrick who is an awful most of the time.

2023-06-09 05:57

also I forgot to put m0nesy and broky in my original list.

2023-06-09 03:45

Zevy Nawwk Hades Syrson CadiaN (just raw awping ability) Wonderful Headtr1ck Are all worse than hallzerk

2023-06-09 03:41

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opposite actually

2023-06-09 03:46

zevy

2023-06-09 05:57

2 years ago was like yesterday

2023-06-09 07:23

-fang +anyone

2023-06-09 03:30

actual 9000 IQ plot here, they do that, Complexity gets free money for years via stickers. And major stickers can make big ass bank for orgs.

2023-06-09 03:31

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clever idea but I think having 5+ slots in NA versus completion you know (unless they also move to the middle east/asia) is easier than 2 slots with plenty of teams that can easily upset you like grayhound, rare atom, and maybe the new tyloo

2023-06-09 03:36

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complexity are definitely stages above all of the teams that would play in Asia. And, if complexity make it to legends stage once through the Asia RMR, there are 3 spots instead of 2. flameZ could 1v5 most of the Asia RMR teams - for fucks sake Loba's pug team won a match in the last asia RMR

2023-06-09 03:39

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hltv.org/matches/2363983/complexity-vs-g.. and it doesn't matter if its a bo1 because they are part of the RMR format too. Plus getting flamez but losing hallzerk is not a huge upgrade. Top asian teams are no joke, look at the upsets IHC was getting before they dropped the roster.

2023-06-09 03:48

hltv.org/matches/2362056/liquid-vs-rare-..

2023-06-09 05:55

The only Change we require is -Hall + Sonic, and get JT out and get a better IGL maybe Stan, Tbh i was seeing another choke incoming, Sonic saved their ass, If there would be Hallzerk he wouldve tilted got mad but couldn't deliver, sonic's calmness has made floopy played better again plus his synergy with fang and with all these positives Grim has ample time to regain his true star form

2023-06-09 03:32

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Dude JT is easily the best IGL left in NA

2023-06-09 03:33

so many assumptions

2023-06-09 03:34

botislaw in 2023 lmao

2023-06-09 05:56

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Stani the effing slaw the da beshht

2023-06-09 09:07

-floppy???? -JT/FaNg first please

2023-06-09 03:33

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floppy 0.99 rating last 3 months for someone with star roles

2023-06-09 03:34

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fang literally plays all the ct star roles

2023-06-09 03:36

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there are usually 2 riflers that get to have star roles. FaNg and floppy have them. JT support, Grim anchor, Sonic awp.

2023-06-09 03:37

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floppy plays bitch spots…Grim and FaNg are their stars

2023-06-14 23:09

floppy plays inferno: pit (a anchor) nuke: ramp (b anchor) anubis: a anchor ancient: a anchor vertigo: b anchor overpass: monster (b anchor)

2023-06-09 05:58

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he is the star anchor. Everyone know that. Grim is playing star roles and tbf, he is doing a good job. Fang has mix of good and bad roles if I remember correctly.

2023-06-09 06:44

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star anchor is an oxymoron

2023-06-09 07:04

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I know. I'm joking.

2023-06-09 15:07

floppy is literally Col's support...

2023-06-09 06:34

nooo

2023-06-09 03:33

I've been all for -hallzerk for a while. He's WAY too short-tempered and ragey and this whole table slamming, desk punching, monitor pushing bs is so childish for a man in his 20's. Add all that raging and malding onto a team full of very chilled, laid-back dudes & an extremely jovial coach, that must be draining to play with halle.

2023-06-09 03:40

that's actually a great idea from col's view, but if you are flameZ... Idk if you wanna join Col

2023-06-09 03:40

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It'd be smart from flameZ POV. Complexity is a partner team, so he'll be playing BLAST and ESL events. Almost guaranteed sticker money twice a year, which is hundreds of thousands of dollars. Complexity pays pretty crazy money relative to other eSports orgs. CoL also doesn't live in NA for that much time, so he wouldn't have to leave EU often. Compared to OG: OG isn't an ESL partner team. They don't qualify for every major. They just lost their IGL, and degster is likely soon to follow. No fucking way he'd wanna rebuild around NEOFRAG and F1KU.

2023-06-09 03:50

Why would they get rid of their best player? I agree with the getting rid of floppy, but flamez deserves to go to a better team.

2023-06-09 03:41

If they have a 2-2-1 split of different Regions, they get to choose which of the majority regions they want to compete in - so with -Floppy +FlameZ they'd have 2 NA, 1 Asia, 1 EU and then one from outsie the regions, which means they can choose to rep any Region, which also lets them farm the Asia qualifier if they want to. They even get to take their RMR invite with them, so now they'd have to play an 8-team double elimination bracket vs 7 Asia teams with a total of 3 major slots available. It makes sense. Problem is Complexity will never do it due to the ESL agreement that allegedly has them get money for being a majority American team.

2023-06-09 03:42

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Source on this? I didn't know they are contractually obligated to have a majority NA roster.

2023-06-09 05:48

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I know that if your spot is up for potential removal they look at whether or not you're supporting the scene your majority is (I suspect it's a major reason behind why EG signed two orgless NA teams, their spot was up for potetnail removal and so they went "See we support NA, Two academy teams :)") havent heard the money one though

2023-06-09 06:37

But NA qualifier is already so free?

2023-06-09 06:00

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not if they have only 5 slots. Pain, Liquid and Furia always take 3 spots. So, it is mostly a fight for the last 2 spots. But yeah, NA RMR is still easy. Asia RMR is probably easier, but they have only 2 slots. Better stay in the RMR IMO.

2023-06-09 06:04

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Asia RMR only has 2 for now. If complexity or any other team makes it to legend stage once, they get 3.

2023-06-09 06:13

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COL is the kind of team who can win 2-0 against G2 and can lose the next game 0-2 against a FPL chinese mix. I like the idea, but I feel it would better plan for a team like EG , ATK or nouns.

2023-06-09 06:17

I'd argue Col is better than current "new style" furia

2023-06-09 06:38

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Yeah, but Furia changes are imminent and honestly, Furia with Kscetaro and Yurrih is a dangerous team no matter what. I'm not convinced about Fallen. He is trying (not a true paycheck stealer), but clearly, ppl overhyped way too much.

2023-06-09 06:46

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rumored changes I'm split on. I'd assume -drop -saffee if +fallen +fer goes through. and I like the fer signing. he was good on Imperial, carrying them really, and he's decently aggressive to join art. fallen though is kinda tough. His calling is still alright, his support ability is alright, he's a support awper like furia needs, but individually idk if he's good enough. + with art and guerri there will be a clash at some point. plus who knows if fer will still be as good as he was on imperial

2023-06-09 06:49

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a lot of If, like any changes. I feel it is like when Liquid signed shox. A veteran who can help with calls. At the end, his performance was average at best. Fallen is also using the most important gun in the game and he shows glimpse of the old fallen, but most of the time, he shows more a typical old man. I agree Fer was still a good player at the end. Furia is not really trying the new generation (except drop who was not a prodigy by any means). It is kinda sad.

2023-06-09 06:54

You cant seriously think flamez would move to NA for this team(or do they prac/live in Europe?idk) He probably has plenty more offers from better teams even if Complexity has money.Werent people rumoring him to join Vitality or something?

2023-06-09 06:49

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Plenty of offers. I'm not that sure. Mouz is low budget, faze will look for a better player. Fnatic, maybe ? All others t2 eu mix is at the level of col.

2023-06-09 15:20

Jeorge is the answer.

2023-06-09 06:57

hallzerk has been great for COL. floppy has also been ok but given some of the roles that don't work for him because they have grimothy. I'd actually say -grim -JT +flameZ and stewie (maybe) I'm unsure on Stewie tbf

2023-06-09 09:10

I think Hallzerk is still the way to go when it comes to awpers.. unless its someone like Mantuu i think staying with hallzerk is better. But i think floppy had a massive drop off and grim is now the clear star of that team..

2023-06-09 15:16

compLexity i haven't seen that spelling in years, thanks for nostalgia upd. and no i think there's just too much factors against sonic's permanent signing. they may want to find some other awper. syrson? forsyy?

2023-06-09 15:24

-compLexity

2023-06-09 19:47