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RL tweet: twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1667158..
From his article: During those meetings Valve voiced concerns about the current state of the competitive landscape and said that something had to be done about the current partnered leagues if they wanted to be issued with a tournament license for CS2.
Valve finally coming to dismantle the partnered system? Will we see more t2 teams clapping t1 team's ass more often? What sneaky ways will ESL and Blast use to keep their partnered system?
W valve
cause now we have shit like vitality or heroic in top5 who cant play shit
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Nah let him sleep
Better for everyone
based
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EG going out of business wouldn't be a bad thing though
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you're not wrong, but the fact that they are still partnered with sooooo many other teams surpassing them is just ridiculous at this point
Tag is legendary. But management so trash right now
Many teams had a long history and disappeared.
aAa, SK, etc.
just make there be relegation for main league
make 2-3 lower tier leagues, reduce spot price over how many teams are getting added over every league, leave 1-2 open spots for qualifiers on the lowest league so teams can go higher if they're good enough over time
2 last place teams from each league get relegated, if youend up last X amount of times on lowest tier you're out
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I like this idea. But you can improve it.
Big orgs want to keep themselves in T1 scene because money, and viewers want to watch T1 teams because of popularity.
I think a better way to do this league is let the orgs retain the T1 league slots, but with a twist. Use the regular league system with promotion and demotion. Once the top 8/16/whatever teams for the T1 league is finalized, the big orgs will bid to buy one of the T1 teams. You do this every new season. So lower teams can come up and get nice contracts with big orgs, and upper teams have their ass lit to keep up their skill or risk losing org money.
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Major's problem is the bad format and seeding. Normal tournaments will generally have the best teams making it to the playoffs as they did before. It won't affect the best teams if there isn't an automatic partner team slot, it'll just affect the garbage partner teams like eg.
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What's wrong with seeding though? If one good team goes through a stage 3-0 and the other barely makes it 3-2 in the last possible opportunity, makes sense to put them against each other as highest seed vs lowest seed. It's not like the seeding should be done by hltv rating in the middle of the tournament?
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As an example because every seeding is based on just the previous stage of the major the first round matchups might easily include two top 5 teams playing each other while other match has two top 20 teams. Teams from those two games can't be accurately seeded based on clearly different level of opponent.
Teams are seeded by ranking/previous achievements in any regular tournament because that's much more accurate than just the previous swiss stage of the same event with same seeding problems.
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There was no problem in the major
teams who won their games went on to the playoffs
teams who lost their games took the next flight home
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K, but in the end it doesn't matter the format.
When your "t1" teams shit the bed, they shit the bed. It's not the TO's fault.
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you are literally bitching about the tournament's format, and the only reason you're doing this is because your favorite team shat the bed and forgot to win their games against supposedly easy opponents
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Excuse me sir but you have negative IQ
#12
"Major's problem is the bad format and seeding"
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All I can hear from your mouth is WAAAAH WAAAAAH WAAAAAH
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Yeah, let's have Faze G2 Vitality Navi Heroic Ence Cloud9 in semi finals of every event 10 events in a row
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Literally #4 KEKW
W move by Volvo
Rn BLAST circuit is ridiculously open
While ESL is way better in that aspect
as they should be
In my opinion CS needs The International. Dota has majors but The International is the cherry on top of the cake. Valve needs to step up and bring this tournament to Counter Strike. Major for 500k is okay. TI for $## 000 000 will be the pinnacle.
Thank you.
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TI would destroy the scene, in dota teams only care about TI during a whole year
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it is
Gaimin have convincingly won the last two majors and yet nobody will give two shits about their success if they don't win TI.
The OG lineup that won TI back-to-back is hailed as one of the greatest of all time, yet that is literally all they accomplished together. They did not win a single other tier 1 event with that lineup, but nobody remembers this fact since winning TI overshadows it.
TI has this almost cult-like following around it where people would throw away their entire paychecks just to see the prize pool be bigger so that they can brag about how big it is.
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People care about who wins other tournaments but TI. OG won like 5+ majors with the same core and people care and mention it, I don't know what are you waffling about.
TI in CSGO is never gonna happen, but it would definitely be good for the game. Also Saudis are hosting huge tournaments (for example this liquipedia.net/dota2/Riyadh_Masters/2022 ) in dota now, so it's definitely not 1 tournament a year game. :D
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2 of those majors were with the same core of Notail, jerax and ana. The others weren't. People care way more about the TI wins than those majors; last year OG won 2 majors with bzm and Yuragi, but fans would drop them in a heartbeat if it meant ana and Topson would rejoin the main roster - even though neither has proven themselves at the highest caliber in ages - simply because of their mythical TI wins.
Like I said, the OG lineup which won TI twice did not win anything else, consistently placing 7-8th at other tier 1 events in 2018-19, whilst teams like Secret, Vici, LGD, Liquid and VP consistently won majors and other big events throughout that time, but those wins are an afterthought for most people, as they are massively overshadowed by OG's TI wins.
TI is simply too big for its own good. The Saudi thing looks nice at first, but look at the ridiculous prize pool it takes to rival TI. This simply cannot be sustained, especially since Dota's player numbers have been on the down since 2016.
International is terrible idea...
I think ti will be amazing for cs
What partnered system does is puts vast majority of money into pockets of very few people, fucking everyone else over.
It makes ranking absolutely useless, you get points for paying money to TO's
It makes CS less competitive.
It's in interest of a small minority of people to keep it, I am glad Volvo is putting it's foot down.
how about valve actually do something for the scene.
majors are just not enough.
GL Monte and ITB make it to the top 20 and can't even defend their spot because they are not in any big tourney atm
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they work on the biggest update since CS (1.x cs:S and csgo) were released.
ESL isnt super bad (there could still be improvmenets though) but BLAST surely needs a change
i hate franchise leagues so go right ahead valve!
shit teams (EG, Astralis) gets boosted on world ranking for just showing up and loosing....
then better newer teams get to fight 1000 for 1 slot.. stupid system
Can't wait for NIP and BIG to lose at least 10 places in the ranking ;)
Sad thing is, people love watch their beloved orgs and think that actually better teams got "lucky".
Heroic fanbois crying because They got outplayed by Gamerlegion. Navi fanbois crying because Monte shit on them and NIP still crying cuz Apeks was literally better team.
Huge W for Valve. If it happens, entire team ranking and top players ranking will change.
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And better players and teams will rise to the top eventually anyway, we'll simply get higher quality cs
nt, apeks lost 1-2 to nip's academy team
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Yeah, at some tier2 online tournament, but on lan / stage they were insane.
fUHCK PARTNERS.
it will probably be 60-90% partners still.
ed: which is still good and better than before but not the fair and equal treatment we want.
We want competition, this is sports.
No franchise bullshit like USA.
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I would say max 25% of the participants can be partnered teams.
Very good.
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Sure
And what's gonna happen afterwards? Bankrupt? people losing even more money?
Common Valve logic
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or orgs that live too far above their money level leave and good and hard-working orgs have a fair chance.
Orgs as mouz and Liquid will have finally the chance to profit from their serious work.
While Orgs as c9 vanish
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No, there’s no profiting in esports. It’s very very rare an org turns over a profit. CSGO is one of the most expensive teams to invest in and on top of that there’s no sustainability for orgs. Companies need some kind of ROI… So, you’ll only have a handful of orgs willing to invest
Just look at NA… Asia… Oceania… Heck, even SA. Europe is the only continent that build ton of organic support & structure.
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Still there are orgs that do serious work and don't throw money away.
And Mouz had low investments but great success. To stay for so long on German players had a good reason. Low investment and "big" success.
Same as Liquid who invested smartly.
Such Orgs can survive without a money printer in the background.
And even Ence made a "profit" last year.
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I doubt any org is making a prpfit especially if they're a private company. They can say anhything... Reason why publically traded companies have to showcase there margins so, we dont be fooled.
Anyways, Open-circuit is in no way sustainable and it's proven. You have the wealthiest nation not even attempting to invest in one of the biggest esports in the world. You have Asia barely invested... South America looks to be struggling somewhat. It's just not a profitable business model and it'll never be.
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CS was always an EU game and that will never change. And Europe hates franchises. Valve knows that
it is a culture thing that every part of the world have different esports.
Asia is a big MOBA ground, while Brazil is still a full football nation and NA loves more console games that is why Halo or COD is there bigger
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CoD is huge... Halo uhhhhh that last one didnt do us any favors lol.
Asia plays tactical FPS games though... Sudden Attack is one of the most played games in Korea... Japan is heavy into R6.... And the biggest tactical shooter CrossFire is China. So, if Valve actually worked on developing a scene Asia would be huge just like in Val. They market, brand, develop leagues, use streamers, market there products etc. Just saying CSGO can get Asia.
cs survived all these years without big money in the pro scene, because of their love of the game.
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I can live with it when the garbage player doesn't earn 10k for shit work.
They should depend on the salary more on success.
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and still good orgs will be there for a long time.
German and swedish scene have a tons of teams you never heard of before. But they exist for 5+ years
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Ofc there are a lot of orgs out there that are really good in Dota, Rocket League and League of Legends as well but they would be in the same spot
But paying a salary that you could surive on for 5 years to each player...
250k in total for FaZe monthly
Orgs are keeping tournaments alive cuz Valve wants to keep its money
hide the fact of partnership, say these teams are just "invited" lul
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Yeah, players depend on a orgs salary but, orgs need some sort of sustainability to continue operations. Those partnered leagues come with ad revenue, ticket sales etc. We act like these orgs can keep bleeding money without consequence. So, if Valve removes partnered leagues it’ll suck lol.
It’ll definitely change the landscape at this stage in the game.
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Rich orgs will stay on top and t2 teams won't do much. As the history shows top teams quickly adapt to fluke t2 teams and dismantle them in the next few tournaments. So giving equal opportunities is partially a good solution, but this increases the chances that a fluke team like gambit or outsiders winning a major which is extremely sad.
I think what happens is ESL and especially blast let in more teams through qualifiers and possibly Valve gives lesser tournament operators more chances to host big tournaments.
Maybe they implement a dota-like system or turn the RMRs into a decent tournament instead of a shit qualifier.
If valve are willing to compensate with money from their pocket then TOs will do it. If not then valve can just stfu and drown in their cases/skins money
It will drop the salarys for t1 teams and the salary will be more even between t1 and the real t2 teams.
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