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I speak for ALL Liquid fans when I say starting today we are now Complexity fans.
#WeAreCOL #VamosCOL #COLWIN #LETSGOCOL
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He is speaking facts though
#WeAreCOL
So hype for this COL roster!!!
#WeAreCOL
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It isn’t just NA, NAVI is international now too
Entire scene sucks
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Also that build towards future with some logic and longlivety to actually make following the orgs interesting instead of players. For national teams the goal is simpler because they will always be limited to build the best they have from the pieces available, hence making that also the goal. For international teams the only goals that are easy to understand are hltv no1. and winning majors.
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faze had an amazing 2022, and one more thropie on 2023
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watching all the teams, heroic is the only no international team working
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In this major they were the best teams though, it just is difficult to get great players for every position in most countries
Theyre just boring
Because people are shallow and can only cheers for a team is it's from the same country they were randomly born in, otherwise they can't seem to grasp complex storylines and rivalries between teams if it doesn't involve nationality, which is assigned randomly. It's kinda sad, but not surprising.
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Please do give us few examples of such "complex storylines and rivalries between teams". I pondered the same question but had hard time grasping on any that had clear history and future plans on org level that had nothing to do with nationality nor single individual players.
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Well, a transition to an international roster from a national one is a storyline by itself, to begin with. But people follow orgs like G2, FaZe, OG, ENCE since a long, long time and these teams all have a rich history of international teams. Rivalry between FaZe and G2, for example - it's interesting, because NiKo played in FaZe, now he plays in G2, you get the idea. I don't see why would that rivalry/storyline be any lesser than it would've been in a national team. It's simply just because most teams used to be national, so of course most rivalries and storylines are also national. But it's gonna change, because there are more and more international teams now. For a new order of things to come, the old one must fall. Chaos before the calmness. Story as old as time...
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Ok, to the last part.
I understand what you mean, that international teams make such storylines possible that would otherwise never come to be if there was only national teams. Like coldzera joining faze to play with Niko (even though it didn't go anywhere). I just fear that the hype is around individual players that define their teams, not in teams itself. And that if worse team has similar storyline as better team, the worse team will be very insignificant and boring. Maybe that will change with time.
I would hope that there still would remain some mix of national teams around, Similarly as we gain possible storylines with international teams, we lose many with every country that is unable to field a competetive national teams. Swedish cs being a good example of such process in action.
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you say that but I'm pretty sure you would be way more excited to cheer for a t1 polish team
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old vp players had amazing storylines and playstyle was unique aswell so you probably cheered for them like every pole or you are just a hipocrite
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and if there was new team like vp you would cheer for them cause it's natural
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nah bet you would
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you can talk but you wont change nature
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You're wrong, it's not "natural" to be biased towards your nation, it's a social phenomenon and can be easily rejected when looked at objectively. Facts don't care about your feelings, whatever that catchphrase was. The fact is that being born somewhere is 100% random, so why should I ever take pride in a random event? Why should I base my personality, my values, my favourite CS teams on a random chance? It's not logical at all, and I'm a logical man. I guess overcoming this illogical idea does take some intellectual effort, hence your inability to comprehend it... you do you though. Cheers :)
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u don't pick nationality but you will always love place where you were born and people that represent it in good way.
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Well, that's just simply not true. Many people don't love the place, and have neutral feelings towards it instead, which is pretty logical, considering that you were assigned to this place randomly. It's pretty simple, but you don't get it because for some reason you're sure that everyone thinks in the same way that you do, using the same patterns as you. Well, I hate to be the one destroying that illusion for you, but people indeed DO think in different ways than you and indeed do perceive their nation neutrally, and from the objective point of view they're the ones in the right, since it was quite literally random where they'll be born.
Its ok for you to not care about nationality, just don't pretend to be superior for not caring about something that's pretty normal to care about. I mean, nationality is something that connects people naturally and there's nothing wrong with that.
I'll cheer for a brazilian team more, because their culture, their personal trajectories and their values connects with me way more than a random eu team.
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Come to Brazil, last time we tried to go international the scene went full davai.
In Brazil we trust.
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International teams are boring with the exception of small underrepresented countries
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Literally read my mind
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Patsy was really good last year, but like Yekindar, I'm wondering if he is just an one-trick poney.
I trust Daps. He can find new talents, but they take a huge gamble with rainwaker.
You have to be honest, the NA talent pool is pretty empty. So, I understand the logic, but for now, I feel it is just an another internatioanl EU mix with no soul.
Smooya mix has more identity than this Yekindar mix.
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Yeah you're right that the talent in NA is dry. The most depressing part of the liquid move to EU is that is was probably the right choice
already burned my liquid jersey and i'm in the process of unliking every tweet by team liquids twitter that I liked. hopefully elige to complexity! #WeAreCOL
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Nah hes based
least cultist american
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Most socially aware europeon
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rent free in your head lil bro
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Absolutely based
+1 also love the nouns flair
based and basedpilled
Based
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He’s getting kicked for Elige bro, Fang to EG
come join me, an enlightened cadiaN fan. my IGL
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clueless and 0/8
mint, nobody asked
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NA org? Liquid were founded in the Netherlands and still have one of their offices there my friend, they've simply invested in the NA market as no one else did, more or less monopoly on merch sales.
I mean where should liquid go? U sre more likely to find promising players in low EU tiers than in NA sadly... Wantinf to remove Elige and having to fill nitr0s spot left them no choice but looking for EU talent. Curious on why they took patsy and rainwaker and kept yekindar as igl ...
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Mhh idk, never sleep on EU t2 playersike rainwaker, he has been around for quite some time now. Idk why they got patsy though tbh. But lets see what will happen
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Idk, i was wondering what would happen if -elige for quite some time already. I had this feeling that he is a part of whats holding the team back, he just wasnt prime elige anymore
I go where NAF goes sorry NA I can’t root for Dogplexity
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if you thought rooting for an NA team was hard, good luck rooting for NAF when Liquid goes out before qualifying for every tournament in EU lmao.
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They don’t have to qualify for anything wtf are u talking about
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Well, they certainly ain't qualifying for the next major through the EU RMR. The tournaments they're partnered in, they're about to get washed out in groups like a joke.
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they will play NA RMR
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No they have to play EU rmr
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u sure? they could go around the rules with the substitute thing
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Is that a thing? Would be kinda unfair. I only know that they keep their legends status because they kept 3 players so they get invited to EU rmr directly
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it is. they could list daps at substitute/player and switch him with one EU player
They lose this either way. Either they have to battle in the closed EU RMR that their Legends spot got them, or they have to play in the NA RMR with Daps if they sub him in to be majority NA LOL, which will NOT be pretty.
(I'm pretty sure that sub rule does not exist anymore anyways.)
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They don’t have to play with daps, they could just use the European substitute.
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List daps or any NA player in your active roster and u substitute him with an EU guy
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major invites are sent to the core lineup and not to subs
github.com/ValveSoftware/counter-strike/..
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As I said, list daps as a player and substitute him with one of the EU guys.
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even though NAF and oSee remained
I think the Liquid organization threw shit in NA fans' faces
this is how i would feel if i were from NA
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I mean there was no way they could stay an NA team and be top 5 at thr same time i feel like. Unless we saw some miraculous player swaps with col for grim and all of a sudden everything clicks. But wantinf to remove elige also means getting out of mahority NA players imo
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I understand this issue, but being the biggest representative of NA and their great hope to stay strong in the scene...
I think Liquid should try other alternatives instead of turning their back on their region...
and I feel like that's what they did with their fans
I would be mad if Furia did the same to BR fans
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+1 Fck team yekindar.
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Yekindar was a snake. RIP liquid. No longer a liquid fan.
Yekindar ruined liquid
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real. #jasonlakefanclub
Would that I could. I want NA CS to do well, but I cannot pretend that it does.
How often could your progidies game away, and not feel pressured to make money?
There is no Mouz Nxt or Navi Jnr in the NA, or am I wrong?
The orgs maybe bleed a bit money in EU to pave a career for talents, but I also love to watch talent teams as future stars. Suspect many do so in EU.
Can NA talent find that path, but for their personal risk?
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The thing about this is, EG did make academy teams to fund up and coming careers for budding players and they got clowned on for it.
The other thing is, NA has a severe lack of tournaments (Tier 1 and even Tier 2). We only have cash cups, so besides cash cups and the occasional ECL game, where is the talent going to come from or be proven? The whole scene is a joke and a mess.
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it was never academy, they just bought the few remaining NA teams that were atleast decent
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Well you can't have a 30+ year old player like PwnAlone in an "academy" team lol. He's a good player, but does not fit the bill for an academy team.
cringe
CoL can do damage
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You have my respect
You show me some pride
so true brother
its sad that same country/language speaking teams are dying
Legit only 2 somewhat ok na teams
Nearest Airport for CoL
Sounds good
Bandwagon fan but fuck it we'll take you
edit: ha ha I said buttfuck
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lol complexity has flipped flopped on being NA since it’s inception. I’m good. NA cs is dead to me.
I actually have no choice but to agree with you
#WEARECOL
nah, liquid all the way
LETS GO LIQUID!!
This is why nobody takes NA fans seriously
Both trash teams
haha, this is why NA only has one (1) fluke major.
seething at liquid for finally making the right call. common minte L
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Please explain to me how this is even remotely the right call.
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see, that's where you're wrong. I think elige is overrated. not necessarily bad.. the emphasis on the "L" is a sentiment I gained from being around his fanbase... and, as illustrated by the original post, is quite clearly justified.
Don't get me wrong, removing Elige was the ONLY good move Liquid made lmao.
damn dude aight,
maybe cause they've recycled the same structure around elige for 7 years at this point, and their only notable achievement was the IGS, largely with credit to Stewie and twistzz. how about the fact that they nearly speedran the 3 biggest prospects in NA's careers along with a handful of skilled veterans in a 2-year window, primarily because elige was so set on keeping all his second-entry t side spots, as well as passing up valuable bootcamp and smaller tournaments in europe. just doesn't seem to make sense to me, relegating a 1.2 rating AWPer to the designated flash-thrower, and on occasion "man why didn't you clutch up that 1v3 against *insert any top 10 team's core roster*"-hearer and also relegating grim to god-damn meat cannon.. and every single player up until YEKINDAR almost immediately slumped? how about the fact that they passed up on the GOAT of CSGO cause of a petty squabble with a bald man?
Also maybe because daps has built solid teams from the ground up with mediocre players such as brehze, peanut brain tarik and cerq.. he should be fine with YEKINDAR, osee, NAF and a few promising young guns from Europe.
tldr; liquid w/ elige: passed up s1mple, put Stewie, grim, twistzz, fallen, shox, osee into career-low slumps you wouldn't expect from them for more than a 3-month period.
also daps could easily make the next team work.
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Removing Elige was the only thing of these moves that I can see being the "right call." Putting themselves in a harder RMR with arguably worse players, or at best equal players, I don't see and could never see being the right call. Not to mention losing a large part of their fanbase instantly by just turning into another one of those soulless EU mixes.
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going EU was probably not the right call for them in terms of winning stuff. they coulda probably brought grim back on and given him some better roles, but they could still be a quarterfinalist team just as, if not more easily than they did with osee as the $6850 utility belt, especially once he hits his stride again.
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low-quality bait from a low quality baiter..
I don't like to waste my time arguing with delusional fanboys, not sure how that makes me an alt lmfao. but this thread was some next level copium and I wanted to express how all-time low it was, even from you.
afterthought: dawg, you spend all day in this forum posting L take after L take.. there's no way u wouldnt expect ppl to notice.
hold the L I guess?
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nah, i like the org and even tho I may not like the roster now, I wont stop being their fan, since they might play really well. plus, i cant just forget all the matches I saw and treat them like it was nothing, it was special to me. so yeah, not all liquid fans will be complexity fans (i'd rather be a Nouns fan)
Yup. Rip liquid sadly
#WeAreCOL
I want NAF and oSee to have success, but I want Liquid to get grouped even more. I'm a little mad at NAF for the betrayal, but I'm much angrier at SNAKINDAR
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betrayal? do you know what you are even talking about? NA is DEAD, its a fact, i always was a Liquid fan and i will counintue to be one. But you have to look the truth in the eyes and accept, that being succesful in NA is nearly impossible.
#WeAreCOL
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