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csgo is coming to an end so i was thinking about the "best offs" of csgo
Best player: s1mple
Best play: coldzera jumping awp
Best match: FaZe vs NaVi Cologne 2022
Best IGL: karrigan
Best rifler: coldzera
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Karrigan is not even top5 IGL of all time
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you fell for the dumbest bait of all time
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I dont want to discuss about this. I leaved my opinion here, you free to disagree or laught at me.
Explanation of my take about karrigan:
I'll take boomb4 for example. He have won IGS+Major+2 Blast Worlds and couple season finals. Can we say that he is great IGL?
Is he better IGL than CadiaN or Snappi?
OR, he just had 4 star players shining at the same time? How do you even compare teams Boomb4 with Snappi played for? Its completely unfair.
So, its just the same with karrigan. Only few IGL's in history of CS had comparable firepower as FaZe 2017 and 2022. Also karrigan has just second best team in 2017 FaZe superteam, and he was even kicked after.
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karrigan has run 3 completely different international lineups to t1 tournament wins.
No one else has yet been able to do that.
Also, you can see who is average/fraud/good by watching the games. With BoombI4 yeah he had the best support, best player, and 2 top 10 players so yeah.
While karrigan took ropz from a slump to a elite top 10+ player. Twistzz from being trash at the end of TL to top 15+ player. revived rain's career and broky was only a decent awper until karrigan came. Also, there is frozen who he got him his first turn. woxic has yet to be good since mouz. etc etc
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His FaZe in 2017 was just second team after SK. Yeah they won some events, but no Major/Cologne/Katowice won with such a deadly roster
His FaZe in 2018 was just 3-4 best team in the world despite having rain, NiKo, guardian and olof. I would say that its... Underperforming. Still no Major/Cologne/Kato.
FaZe 2022 - no opposition. As soon as G2/Vita/Heroic made upgrading changes - FaZe gone missing a lot of events except pro league, when they just dodged every top team. If karrigan was top5 team - surely, he would outcall apeX or HooXi, right? Right...?
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"FaZe 2022 - no opposition..." Well, then NIP also had no opposition in 2012-2013, Fnatic in 2015, SK in 2017, Astralis in 2018, Liquid in 2019, and Navi in 2021.
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agree on NaVi and Liquid. Opposition was really wack at the time. But Astralis did show Liquid's place at Berlin Major.
All other teams had other great teams to compete. FaZe started to suck as soon as G2/Vita/Heroic made upgrades. If karrigan is top5 - go win Vitality/Heroic in important games by his genius calls. Or.. He cant just outcall CadiaN or apex, seems like? With equal firepower, no more ropz/twistzz carry.
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It seems you just don't like these teams (FaZe, Navi and Liquid), it's not clear why.
Of the entire list that I described above, only NIP is a team that had no opposition, since the roster was assembled from players who switched to CS:GO the earliest when the rest continued to play either 1.6 or CSS. When everyone moved to CS:GO, all teams had to adapt to new CS:GO mechanics (it took more than one year) that were very different from 1.6. Consequently, the NIP, the team that switched to the GO version before everyone else, used this and nobody was able to beat them. Yes, there was team like VeryGames, who also destroyed everyone, they came from a CSS which was more similar to CS: GO than 1.6 in terms of mechanic, but they did not do anything with NIP.
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I would say I symphatized Liquid 2019. But even though you're NA you gotta admit that they were humbled really bad at Berlin Major. Astralis was going thru hard times in 2019, due to health problems and just lacking of motivation. But they got their shit together right to the Major
only NaVi rival in firepower was Gambit, who dominated online, but they were just kids at the LANs.
TSM had fnatic's number in 2015 until the end of the year, just they lost to NIP/Envyus all the time
You know he also used to IGL in 1.6, right?
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best rifler: NiKo
best gamesense: Flusha
best team: 2018 astralis
best tournament: Atlanta Major
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forgot best team, you are right its astralis 2018
ELEAGUE events >>>>
+111
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2 majors 2 major mvp 2x top1
niko has none of this
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sure but consistency is nothing without achievements where niko is way behind cold
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nikos notable tournaments are blast banana cups
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He won only 3 blast events out of 14 trophies he has and one of them being world final which is considered an S tier event.
He has kato and cologne which are top 3 most pretigious events. Iem sydney 2018 when they 3-0'd prime astralis in a grand final. SL starseries in 2017 when they also beat astralis in a final that also had a bit of an era at the time. Also events like esl one new york, ecs season 4 and elague premier 2017 were all big events at the time.
Just tell me you didn't even check his trophies and commented out of your ass.
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ok still 0 majors 0 top1 0 major mvp
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Fuck it bro put dupreeh as goat rifler if major is what ur looking for. He also has better events then coldzera.
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didnt know dupreeh was a major mvp and top1 player
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Well fuck it bro looks like delusion has no cure.
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+1
you can keep believing that someone that was never top1 never won a major is the goat rifler
ill take the guy with major mvps and top1s
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The good thing is opinions are free. You can take cold as the goat rifler but 99% of this thread alone dissagress with you on cold. NiKo is already widely accepted as the greatest rifler by almost everyone but as I said, opinions are free, and so is delusion.
GeT_RiGhT would be goat then, more consistent, higher peak and comparable achievements.
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yes, i considered him too
If only he didn't play in plumbers era before fnatic invented CS
The only reason niko is so ''consistent'' is cause he still grinds a lot bause he has no major. Cold won everything by the age of 23 thats why he fell off. Also coldzera in his prime is the opposite of niko never dissappeared or had a bad game when it mattered most. Its absurd to say the greatest rifler ever is niko. Maybe the best skillwise but not the greatest bud.
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"Cold won everything by the age of 23 thats why he fell off." what, then krimz, dupreeh, magisk, apex could all drop it, since they won everything? nonsense argument
also niko himself thinks he is in peak right now. he wasn't satisfied how he played a few years back. and still it motivates him. i don't think cold could say to himself a few years back "yeah, i'm satisfied with my peak rn. i could drop now, idc". that's a really bad mentality. i don't cold is thinking like that
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probably NiKo most raw skilled player ever touched the game.
But sadly, raw skill doesnt win you the games or events. Your gameIQ, mentality, killer instinct wins you the tournaments. Thats why coldzera was called beast, he was always there when Luminosity/SK need someone to carry them. Despite his awp flying kills, most of coldzera highlights is decent body sprays with great read of the opponent. He might not be onetap HS machine, but his IQ won SK 2 Majors. Where NiKo was nowhere to be found at important Major games
Best player: ZywOo
Best play: ZywOo P250 1v4 vs Na'Vi
Best match: Imperial vs Cloud9 at Antwerp
Best IGL: Boombl4 or HooXi
Best rifler: ZywOo
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Great list!!!
Now, please, can you name amount of top10 teams ZyWoo won in Major play-offs? Im so excited to see it, you look like expert, tell me.
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Apeks and GamerLegion.
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thank you for response. It was laughable
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What was funny about it?
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hahha stop it! 😂😂😂
It was really fun that you made up some names of non existing teams to troll me, you're so funny 🤣 "Apeks"... Did you just changed apeX a bit?
But seriously now, can you name existing teams?
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What are you talking about? These teams made the finals and semifinals of a CSGO Major.
boston finals>cologne finals
gla1ve>karrigan
niko>cold
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for sure boston final was so fucking good it is not only the best csgo match but also one of the greatest in all of esports. arena never felt more alive
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best IGL: Pronax
best pistol player: Dennis
best AWP: JW
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the list looks fine, except best match is Katowice 2018 finals imo, and NiKo is the best rifler
simple not even top5 in navi
Best player: Flusha
Best play: Flusha
Best match: Flusha
Best IGL: Flusha
Best rifler: Flusha
Best player: s1mple (agreed, Zywoo better atm but s1mple has played more years)
Best play: coldzera jumping awp (imho overrated, the casters made it sound more insane than it actually was. Personally I'd go fot the Happy deagle ace on Inferno)
Best match: FaZe vs NaVi Cologne 2022 (I would go for ELEAGUE Major 2018 final Cloud9 vs FaZe)
Best IGL: karrigan (No way, Gla1ve in his prime was far better. Karrigan only leans on insane plays from teammates. Gla1ve actually had big brain)
Best rifler: coldzera (NiK0 should have this one)
The coldzera jumping awp is the most overrated play in history. He just got lucky.
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Dupreeh are you high?
Worse than Niko every year in late 2015 so Niko will have more top 20 appearances, the impact Niko has is way higher and Dupreeh wasn't even always the best rifler on his own team Kjaerbye was better in 2016 and comparable to him in 2017. Dev1ce was a better rifler from 2014 onwards.
beat IGL karrigan axaxaxxaxaxax axaxa
best player s1mple xdddd
get out with coldzera dude
Best player: zywoo
Best play: olof boost
Best match: FaZe vs G2 Katowice 2022
Best IGL: pronax 3 major>>>glaive 4 major
Best rifler: chokola choko
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10/10 bait
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gla1ve can't even qualify for a major how is he better than Karrigan?
Best player : KennyS
Best AWPer : KennyS
Best Rifler : NiKo
Best igl : Gla1ve
Best play : s1mple doble noscope vs. Fnatic
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Best IGL : Gla1ve
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