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Kazakhstan Kazachstan 
They are doing wonders with the budget they have, all of the international roster iterations have been above expectations. Is there any management that comes close to them?
2023-08-19 01:02
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#1
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Poland 21x05
EG
2023-08-19 01:03
3 replies
+1. Most accurate observation ever.
2023-08-19 12:22
+1, you also made me cry. EG should thank valens every day from now on (double thank you on weekends)
2023-08-19 14:14
haha anyone have the copypasta from eg manager? xD
2023-08-20 18:27
#2
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England pumk1n1
imagine if they didnt have valde for that time
2023-08-19 01:03
11 replies
Yeah valde bruh like why?!? My only explanation is that he was feeling the team because snappi was there so old friends and some bias. Maybe?
2023-08-19 09:09
9 replies
he performed well in praccs and I guess the Snappi bias too
2023-08-19 09:30
#35
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Wales Hi_Im_New
Because Valde was still considered a really good player and they thought Sunpayus was enough to balance out the loss in firepower that valde would bring. In hindsight it was awful obviously but let's not act as if everybody knew that it would crash and burn like it did
2023-08-19 12:19
5 replies
It was obvious from the start
2023-08-19 12:19
3 replies
They quickly moved on, so that is testament to good management.
2023-08-19 12:23
2 replies
+1
2023-08-19 12:59
+1
2023-08-20 18:29
#47
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Finland Cecay
I feel like he was bought as a place holder in the first place. Win win for ence. They got more time to scout for new rookie talent and at the same time they didn't pay much for Valde.
2023-08-19 12:55
if snappi went byebye, you would be back to t-3
2023-08-19 12:33
renowned world class player for cheap
2023-08-19 16:14
yeah that move didn't make any sense
2023-08-19 12:20
#3
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Israel Griefer
Vitality.
2023-08-19 01:03
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#6
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Poland 21x05
bro fr said vitality😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 in terms of success yes but the budget they have is wayy bigger
2023-08-19 01:05
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#11
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Serbia nnikolaS
pretty sure they sold like half of the company to china no? that's why they went from a semi budget org to literally spending tens of millions across superteams in all games in the last year or two
2023-08-19 01:11
3 replies
Yes, they did a 55M deal or something like that, funny when Carlos laugh at them for taking the danish trio saying they were burning the money but they got a major before G2
2023-08-19 09:25
#27
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France Khmzbg
It was India not China
2023-08-19 09:55
It was a large investment from a Switzerland-based technology VC, Rewired linkedin.com/posts/fabiendevide_e-sport-.. Thrilled to announce Rewired.gg's second round of investment. The overall amount, €34M, is the highest in European esport. Another millestone for Team Vitality #VforVictory
2023-08-19 12:09
#15
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United Arab Emirates Im_The_One
Not really, they go man city style (same with faze) and just buy the best players... Thats easy, it gets hard when you try to do it with 50% of the money and no blast partner spot
2023-08-19 09:04
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Yeah they just but the best of every roster. Stole spinx :(
2023-08-19 09:10
What are you talking about? They bought only spinx lol...
2023-08-19 09:27
The only player they bought was spinx, and he could have got the same salary in ence
2023-08-19 09:30
EG
2023-08-19 01:03
Mouz
2023-08-19 01:04
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#57
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Netherlands SpiceNut
For real yeah, with the youngsters roster as well
2023-08-19 16:19
In terms of scouting and developing talent I think its ENCE and MOUZ at the top Maybe soon we will be putting Spirit in that conversation with this new roster once they play big events
2023-08-20 00:29
Sold spinx and bought other players, but the new "Israel meta" is really strong though.
2023-08-19 01:06
#8
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World streetson
Mouz and maybe Spirit
2023-08-19 01:07
#9
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African Union eyoeyoklk
NAVI, they are showing great results xdxdxdxdxd
2023-08-19 01:09
#10
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Poland Astoner55
Mouz comes to mind, maybe apeks, too? I think those 2 orgs + ENCE have the best managenent, they seem to create good teams from scratch
2023-08-19 01:09
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Apeks was straight dogshit until the beginning of the year. Spirit is the only real name that should be here.
2023-08-19 01:18
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Poland Astoner55
I mean, Apeks just needed time, their core was strong enough and they proved it now. And about Spirit, idk, bringing in the young guys from academy was a good move, but before that they had some questionable decisions
2023-08-19 08:42
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How are you going to defend the management of a team that until this year never made top 20 (And I'm not sure if even top 30 because they've had some atrocious rosters) and say one team that has had 3 iterations in the last 3 years but still managed to be top 20 is questionable? lol Doesn't matter how questionable benching mir was, it proved to be the right decision and they made major semifinals after that and then another major. Now they kicked Wonderful and sold Patsi and still seem to be tier 1. They've managed to have one of the strongest academy, which proves good management. And the fact that they retracted on benching Chopper and it worked it's also proof of good management.
2023-08-19 11:46
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#31
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Poland Astoner55
The management at apeks changed iirc when they got the international roster. So I would say that project was quite a success. Spirit, sure, their management is good now, I was talking about the years of 2016-2021. Ever since 2021 their decisions seem to very solid, just like Apeks'. And I totally agree about the academy! Good scouting, reminds me of Mouz.
2023-08-19 11:48
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Once again, the project that started with Jkaem return to them was ass until the beginning of this year when kyxsan joined. How is going to be a success appointing Acilion or Shox? lmao. About Spirt, they pretty much had the same roster from 2016 to 2020. How are you computing that into "effy decisions" if they didn't make changes? And how are you going to equate 3-4 years when they've built rosters from scratch, discovered talent, and been able to fight with T1 competition with Apeks being relevant for 6 months? It's funny how you hold different metrics depending on how they fit your initial statement. There's no way you'll bring up the first Spirit iteration while disregarding anything Apeks did up until the beginning of this year. Just because they signed JL after Mad Lions disbanded (The ones that actually scouted him)?
2023-08-19 17:22
#14
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Belarus Ozymandius
1 MOUZ 2 ENCE -massive gap- 3 Heroic rest irrelevant
2023-08-19 08:52
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#23
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Kazakhstan Kazachstan
Mouz? The sole fact that they've kept dexter for so long should remove them from the discussion
2023-08-19 09:35
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#25
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Belarus Ozymandius
dexter is outweighed with NiKo, ropz, frozen, tabseN, chrisJ, and soon siuhy
2023-08-19 09:49
#26
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Hungary BYZMO
Say what you want, but that team keeps finding the most talented players out of nowhere. They gave the scene Niko, ropz, karrigan and allu just to name a few and they always manage to stay relevant.
2023-08-19 09:51
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#29
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Kazakhstan Kazachstan
previously, perhaps as #25 states but not right now, they have fallen off for sure
2023-08-19 10:09
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#52
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Hungary BYZMO
They have very talented players right now as well, we'll just have to wait and see what becomes of them
2023-08-19 13:56
isn't heroic basically bankrupt? They said they needed like 800k to survive the next year, no?
2023-08-19 13:02
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Compare to every other eSport org that bleeds that a month they are not doing so bad i guess xD There are only like 3 orgs in the entire csgo sphere that have posted a profit, now granted thats by design because management always spend more money than they have and get loans using the influx as paying capacity then the moment they start posting less of a revenue they immediately enter in default, but by that point management has made millions and are happy to move on and bleed another company
2023-08-20 00:38
Vitality is also doing good job
2023-08-19 09:28
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Their budget/staff/facilities are on a whole different level, being clearly above ENCE. Comparing them is interesting but ENCE is built in a completly different way. Vitality is a big org, with a vast support structure in staff/facilities (all the coaches you could ask) and big pockets that enable them to get who they want and retain them with excellent compensation. ENCE relly on a lean structure. Small support staff with a lot of control/responsabilities , excellent scounting to avoid big buyouts and a reasonable compensation structure that allows them to run the company with no billionaire investors or VC money.
2023-08-19 12:05
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I definitely agree but good management and big budget are two different things tho and you can make smart decisions even with budget which is what vitality is doing (at least in csgo). But yea ence case is different
2023-08-19 12:13
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Indeed I think both ENCE and VIT are organizations, that while quite different in structure/size, are both quite good at getting the most of their assets to achieve great sporting results. However, they are different in the sense that Vitality, financially in CSGO, makes no sense and ENCE does. I don´t care how many jerseys they sell, the sponsorships, or any other of the revenue streams they have (Blast/ESL partner rev-share, etc) there is a 0% they make enough money in CSGO to offset their costs. Their players are some of the best in the world and it´s fair to assume the salaries match that. When teams like Faze pay something 500k a month for a ballpark (and FaZe lacks a LOT when it comes to supporting staff/structure) it´s likely that Vitality pays more or less the same a month (plus all those mental/physical/analysts and that fancy bootcamp office in Paris) which should be about 6,5 M Euros (12 Months + 1 Holydays) a year. In my opinion, that number is higher if you include the bloat which Faze doesn´t have so you´re probably looking at 8M Euros a year. They most certainly do not make that in revenue. To summarize while both are great sporting organizations that achieve good results, ENCE is sustainable and Vitality is not. Additional reading: sportsbusinessjournal.com/Esports/Sectio..
2023-08-19 12:46
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Only very few orgs are profitable in cs so you are most likely right about vitality even tho that they didn't rly spend much on transfer fees and according to rumors players even took pay cuts to bring spinx in so they probably still try to be financially healthy....but yea who knows. And as far as I remember they did some 50m deal or something like that so yea who knows :D /edit just opened your link omg...yea that's it :DD
2023-08-19 13:02
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You are right in the sense that they didn´t often spend money when adding players, but that changed with the additions from Astralis. Since then they also bought Spinx, where it´s almost a certainty they spent more than 500k on him alone. As for players taking salary cuts sure... They have Zywoo (who renegotiated for a chunky long-term contract), Apex (should be reasonable), Spinx/flameZ (big salaries) plus the Astralis bunch who I´ve sure negotiated some quite substantial terms. Add all the support staff (which includes an Olyphics medalist ffs) and even if some took a slight pay cut it´s still not a low number at all... No worries :) Additional reading hltv.org/news/30863/vitality-announce-zy.. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/yk..
2023-08-19 16:12
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"but that changed with the additions from Astralis. Since then they also bought Spinx" but they didnt buy players from astralis and they didnt buy flamez either. they bought only spinx
2023-08-19 16:47
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I never stated that they bought Flamez (it was common knowledge his contract expired with OG) that being said I was wrong, as I though the Astralis bunch came with a buyout, which after checking, was incorrect (their contracts also expired). That being said they had done a transfer before Spinx: shox hltv.org/news/33032/astralis-confirm-dup.. hltv.org/news/27878/shox-set-to-join-vit..
2023-08-20 00:28
They are doing some A+ scouting!
2023-08-19 09:42
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#38
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Europe potatomato
They open HLTV and check stat , very ez
2023-08-19 12:21
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Better work than most orgs out there
2023-08-20 18:10
Yep. Snappi is like Brad Pitt's character from "Moneyball". He's too old. He won't have another chance if he make mistake. He permanently pushes below average team beyond their limit and gives a fight to top1-3 teams.
2023-08-19 10:03
Ence buys low and sells high. The scouting department and coaches who decide things should get a higher salary
2023-08-19 12:21
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ENCE doesn't have scouting department. sAw and Snappi gives shortlist and ENCE management tries to make it happen, when making roster changes.
2023-08-19 12:57
navi being profitable team and the most popular team at the same time is quite an achievement imo
2023-08-19 12:53
Too bad their sticker is absolute trash
2023-08-19 12:54
Endpoint if you are talking about getting players for cheap and selling
2023-08-19 13:02
Gamer Legion
2023-08-19 16:15
1 reply
Underrated org. Sold their stars for good profit and got cheap and talented replacements. They aren't a legit contender for big tournaments, but they are solid and probably actually profiting as an org. If they cut bait on Keoz and find another talent they can be better too
2023-08-20 00:31
Ence 2019 Aleksib is better than snappi in every aspect
2023-08-19 16:52
Why does everyone act as if ENCE has little money? Their players all get 20k+. They are not a small team. I hate this understatement, they have a TOP 5 AWP and TOP 3 IGL.
2023-08-19 16:56
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Isnt that cheap compared to the rest of the other top 5-7 teams?
2023-08-20 00:32
Mouz maybe?
2023-08-20 00:31
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#67
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Estonia EquitaS
+1 All players they have (excluding siuhy) they got for free. Huge W
2023-08-20 00:33
4 replies
Talent farm
2023-08-20 00:35
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#70
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Estonia EquitaS
If siuhy had signed up contract with mouz than with GL the team will be literally 0$ cost. Like as in the videos "Hello guys, I got just 1 paper-clip. Let's see what I can trade it for"
2023-08-20 00:38
Im sure they got Siuhy for cheaper than his market value too because of buyback clause
2023-08-20 00:37
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#72
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Estonia EquitaS
Mouses aren't big and strong. They're smart
2023-08-20 00:40
Spirit management also top3
2023-08-20 18:15
Yes. Natu doing great job with the csgo team recently.
2023-08-20 18:16
#76
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Canada Gabiola
When it comes to small budget, you need to think mostly tier 2 teams, for me that's entropiq after buying out the winstrike roster, Copenhagen flames doing great with 2 different rosters, and then I'd go with current gamerlegion. Shout out to BNE for being able to stay afloat without an org helping them out and making it to major after major.
2023-08-20 18:26
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