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who is the better rifler of all time???
twistzz
- 2x grand slam champion
- major winner
- 2x cologne
- 3x esl pro league
niko
- most consistently highest-rated rifler ever
- 5x top 5 hltv
- 1x blast worlds champion
hard to choose
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nice try twistzz
s1mple >
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He is top 10
how you got that observation dude. S1mple in his downfall is still top 5-10 player
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s1mple isn't nearly as good as them with the rifle
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2019 he played rifle had 1.29 rating at the end of the year. More than Niko ever reached LUL
S1mple as a rilfer >>>> twistzz it's not even close
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no, Niko is the best rifler of all time and it's not even close. Whenever ppl are debating their current top 5, Niko, a rifler, is always compared to the players that all AWP (s1mple, zywoo, sh1ro, device, etc.)
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i'm not exactly sure why you think ropz is up there with Niko or why you're using purely mechanical skill to judge who is the best rifler when being a rifler is not just about how good your aim is, but what you do for the team as well. ropz doesnt do nearly as much as what Niko does for his teams. Niko's impact is far greater than what ropz does. I'm not saying ropz is a bad player. he's prob top 5 rifler in the game rn, but it's just not a discussion of who is better when Niko is clearly the best of all time and ahead of ropz.
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niko a teamplayer? lmao... if hes winning everything is fine... if he lose he flames his mates like in mouz faze and is toxic af
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That's how I know you don't know what you're talking about. He never flamed his teammates on mouz. If you're talking about the infamous video of him telling his team to shut up, it was already explained in an interview that his teammates were arguing from the previous round when the next round had started and Niko told them to shut up and focus. People like to make stuff up about Niko being toxic but literally have no proof.
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Lmfao in a thread about niko vs twistzz you feel the need to post about simple. Bro here's a napkin for your chin.
Mentions x2 Cologne for Twistzz. Doesn't mention same year Kato and Cologne for NiKo.
hmmmmmm
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People have a bias against Niko. Nothing new. Niko is easily a better player than twistzz, it isn't really close.
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If twistzz is support then so is hunter
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no he doesnt . hes an anchor , much more like jks
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cause he was too bad to play star roles, as demonstrated in liquid and 2021 faze... this twistzz support narrative gotta end. he's found comfort there because he isn't good or reliable enough to be the star or carry, and that's okay, but comparing to niko?? twistzz isn't even top 20 of all time. the only thing going for him is success, a metric that would put xyp9x in the top 20 of all time too
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what are u saying 1.15 rating in 2021 faze while the team was absolute horse piss (best result is semis at cologne) He never had main star roles on liquid (he would often anker bombsites and have naf and elige play star rotator roles) and somehow still put up a 1.15 rating across the year. Maybe players have gone on record and said one of the only person that mechanically matches up to niko is twistzz. He's not as good as niko and i dont think there is a debate here but saying hes a supportive player because he cant succeed in star roles is ignorant.Hes 100% a top 10 riffler of all time maybe even top 5
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1.12 rating, idk where your getting 1.15 from, including a 1.08 rating from the major (where niko got like 1.3)- and yes, he joined faze to replace niko, he was meant to be the star. on liquid in 2018 he was also meant to be the star, but naf became it, and in 2019 he started off strong, but once again, inconsistency got the better of him and elige stood up. twistzz was initially the star in liquid but couldn't get the impact. naf LIKES to anchor, there's a reason he couldn't for so long, and it's because they didn't have a good enough rotator
I mean hunter gets a lot of good positions as well, the space he wants and he calls pistols and ct side on certain maps. He plays short on mirage, and every other map he can be anywhere on the ct side. I saw g2 drop an ak to hunter and galil to niko on second round force buy. There's no heirarchy within g2 from what I've seen. Whoever is in form gets the rifle, well probably unless it's hooxi
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i forgot sorry
Niko easily,hes been playing far better for far more time idk about Major this Grand Slam that.
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I argue with that and put Electronic on the battlefield
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ok your defeat is accepted
I would put electronic as 2nd best all time, but his position is not very stable right now since he's not putting the numbers that he used to
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Csgo comes to an end so he is save
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LOL
ofc twistzz:
1) more teamplaying, than niko;
2) younger;
3) better eng (but need to say, that eng niko is good minimum for cs player)
4) better morale
this i wrote, that u forgot. for niko i don't see more pluses, than u wrote. just more mvp's, but it's result of rating and roles
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If consistantly getting entries and going in first 40% of the rounds isn't considered playing for the team I don't know what is.
twistzz's peak wasn't even higher than ELiGE's peak. No way ppl think twistzz is a better rifler than Niko.
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His voices
1) Isn't wrong. Niko does what he does alone on an island. Just different styles and that is exactly what Niko needs to do for G2 to win. It isn't a good or bad thing, but twistzz for sure plays more with his team.
2)You're right younger has zero affect. Niko is much older and still much better with a much higher impact.
3)Lol agreed
4)When Niko is down I cannot say that he is a morale booster while twistzz largely is silent despite some frustration. But Niko inspires his team regardless, while twistzz is silent.
Regardless Niko is better even though I like twistzz.
not hard to choose at all lmao its so obviously niko
twistzzz is med level. He had luck to be at the right teams on the right time.
But as player he isn't even top 5 rifler that are playing right now (dont forget past players as olof or flusha)
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Niko is twice the player Twistzz is, but it's not like Faze was achieving much with Niko in the roster too tbf.
Niko main working horse in most of his rosters. Twistz just trading kills
niko consistenly top 5 player, twistz is hardly carried above top 10.
not so hard to choose if talking about individual form
Niko is the best rifler in csgo no debate lmao
Twistzz won a major with the same igl,rain,arguably a worse awper
People will still say hes more consistent, constistently winning nothing.
When you have people like dupreeh,coldz,twistzz,electronic,gtr and theres more, he just doesnt fit there. Its like putting Ibrahimovic next cr7,messi,ronaldo9,ronaldinho,etc. Cmon
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Respect The King
NiKo also has Katowice + Cologne win and Cologne MVP.
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Well, yeah, but omitting the only two elite events he won bar BWF is still a blunder.
Niko is the goat rifler for me
Then comes the likes of Dupreeh, Magisk, Coldzera, Gtr, flusha, electronic (not ordered) and maybe twistzz after them, making barely top 10
-NiKo +Twistzz and FaZe immediately won all possible tournaments, you judge lul
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immediately? lul, it took them a full year and ropz addition, im certain that without ropz, FaZe wouldnt achieve a damn thing
except they didn't win anything?
they did improve, but they only started to win after ropz joined.
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ropz can't compared with NiKo, they play different roles
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first reply was pretty dumb, second reply is extremely dumb, do something.
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and you got baited, do something
Individual Awards Only
Twistzz - Career 1.11 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2018 (#12) | 1.15 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2019 (#9) | 1.14 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2021 (#17) | 1.13 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2022 (#11) | 1.12 Rating
- 2x MVP’s
NiKo - Career 1.16 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2016 (#11) | 1.16 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2017 (#2) | 1.23 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2018 (#3) | 1.22 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2019 (#11) | 1.16 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2020 (#4) | 1.19 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2021 (#3) | 1.21 Rating
- HLTV Top 20 ~ 2022 (#5) | 1.22 Rating
- 8x MVP’s
Obviously it’s unfair to compare since NiKo is the star entry and Twistzz is the support and anchor, so their ratings and HLTV placings would be very different from each other. Twistzz is a great player and is probably the greatest NA player of all time but NiKo’s longevity and consistency is unmatched by any other Rifler in CS:GO history.
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considering his role, Niko just should not be posting these numbers and most definitely should not be doing that across such a long period of time.
Statistically it should not be possible because it's a volatile role, he's a rifler, he makes so much space, no one does it at such level across such a long period of time.
Not even close. Some spike for a season and die out.
Niko is essentially reaching top 5 while playing CSGO on hardcore difficulty while almost everyone else who ever entered that level played it on normal difficulty by using an AWP and by using like 2k worth of utility by their team mates every round to set up awp plays.
I don't even know how to feel about it when he's been doing it for so long and people simply don't seem to have an effective counter for him.
Huge respect for Niko.
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YUPPPP you said it. Dude is ENTRY rifle and posting AWPer level stats and opening kills. You certainly can compare them because Niko holds and keeps the riskier position and still shines.
Still love twistzz, but Niko fucking slaps.
don't even compare a hot anime dude like twistzz to someone without major trophy
if we look at my name, youd think i would say twistzz..
but
niko is da goat rifler
doe
twistie is my goat <3
The best riflers out there are : Niko, Twistzz, Ax1Le, ZywOo and ropz but
- Twistzz is an anchor
- Ax1Le has only played 2 years and a half in top tier cs
- ZywOo is the main awper of his team
- ropz is a really passive lurker with a limited impact
You can argue some players are better with a rifle but Niko is goat rifler by far due to his consistency and the role he has played in his teams, there is no debate.
how is that even a question? twistzz is a mechanical god but niko is just much better.
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Is there an easy way to find this?
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Thanks for your hardwork :D
niko easily
Twistzz overall better, Niko better peak
Choko and its not even close
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Niko is the goat rifler. Twistzz is one of the best riflers but he can still improve his game. Titles isn't everything because then device would be the goat hands down. This is a title for the best individual that makes the difference. You can't compare niko vs twistzz when twistzz needs to be compared to elige for the NA goat. If he can't win that then there is no point in discussing or arguing vs niko my friend.
name checks out, why are you comparing the goat rifle and some random pleb
Nik9 easily, twistzz game is very narrow he has no back up plan and seems like he can't adapt when shit is going wrong for him.
Another proof that NA players are actually better than EU if they take the game a bit seriously
Twistzz clears that overrated and bread headed fraud anyday of the week
niko > even if twistz wins 999 majors
because cs is not an individual game even qikert and apex can win majors
youtube.com/watch?v=q6zHseF1i3w
Niko clear
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