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Never forget the most entertaining team in the history of CS with the highset viewership
The team that stopped Astralis and had the greatest lineup and peak in the history of CS:GO
youtube.com/watch?v=lg1pga4lvVg
wasn't half of their supposed 'era' online and studio events
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"era" ? XD
my guy doubting that Navi had an era
they won BLAST Global final, Blast World final, Stockholm major, ESL PRO 14, Cologne, DH master, bunch of other BLASTS and Intel Grand Slam within year.
And no, most of those events were held offline
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0/8
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Vitality also didn't drop a single map in their Major run: hltv.org/events/6793/blasttv-paris-major..
Yes it was against lower-ranked teams than Na'Vi but that isn't the fault of Vitality.
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I disagree but many others share the same opinion as you simply due to the lack of tier 1 teams attending the playoffs.
Obviously that isn't Vitality's fault and I think after iEM Rio and Gamers8, it should be fair to assume by now that Vitality probably could have beaten anybody that made the playoffs.
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That's a fair comment but I was mostly referring to the core. Otherwise no, it's not really a comparison but it's still history. :)
Vitality still looked insane at the Major, they just had to work for it against upset teams with zero pressure on their heads. Na'Vi had more higher ranked opposition but arguably weaker versions of the teams they faced.
I'm really glad both players got their Major in the end. :D
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Yeah - +100
That man deserves to win a Major.
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Arguably? It's up to interpretation but I would say that both feats are just as impressive despite discerning factors that occurred during both Major's respectively. :)
Didnt Astralis win almost all tournaments offline, that some events were organized with top1 tier team without astralis cause they knew they will win to give chance for others, didnt astralis lose single map at ESL pro league and went 82-0 online and then they invented esl grand slam ?
Every good year of a team is called an era now lmao.
Did faze have a era last year?
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oh jesus christ
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour..
go open 2021 and 2022 to see it yourself
they werent even nearly as dominant as NaVi
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oh jesus christ,
Navi wasnt even the best team in the world in the first half of 2021 - i dont count online trophies in an "era".
Sooo
Navi: Cologne, ESL PL 14, PGL Stockholm, 2x BLAST.
FaZe: Katowice, ESL PL 15, PGL Antwerp, Cologne.
Katowice > Blast.
Yeah, not nearly as dominant. L M A O.
NaVi on lan was the best team from July (Cologne Win) to December (Blast win). Isnt that a bit very short to consinder that an era? lol
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+1
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how is this an era?
imgur.com/a/SGlY1eL
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Joke? Obviously not.
Era-defining dominance? Not so much...
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It's not a case of "worse than", it's just assessing the dominance in question.
Sure, LG/SK collectively have two Majors but the dominance overall is incredibly skewed, so much so that most users (myself included) assess the dominance as two separate periods, otherwise you then have to add the 8 month period of them winning absolutely nothing before they became SK.
Otherwise, yeah, users have the opinions that LG/SK had an era, I don't think they personally had one simply because of the weird transition, roster-change and up inconsistent dominance.
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#5
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour..
go ahead and check how many events they won in 2021
even Astralis werent able to win as much % of the events as them within one calendar year.
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Astralis won 7 events and 2 Majors in 11 months, NaVi won 3 offline events and 1 Major across 5 months, wow nice era man. If you wanna stretch it and include the online events that had a gap between them, then that's 6 events and 1 major, meanwhile Astralis won 10 events and 3 Majors across a year and 8 months.
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NaVi has literally won 5/7 biggest events of 2021 including a major and IGL
if you open all the liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour..
s tier events listed you see them winning almost everything held that year.
if you think that 2021 wasnt an era of NaVi, idk what to tell you
Its almost the same run that Astralis had in 2018 but only with one major trophy
And you are telling me they never had an era lol
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3 Online events: Blast World Final, Dreamhack, EPL14
I don't count them because online
3 offline events: Cologne, Blast Fall Finals, Blast World finals
1 major: Stockholm
Astralis
10 offline events: Dreamhack, EPL7, ECS5, ELEAGUE Premier, IEM Chicago, ECS6, EPL8, IEM Beijing, ECS7, Blast Global Final
3 majors: London, Katowice, Berlin
Both won the Grand Slam
If NaVi had won Katowice and Antwerp it would have been an era, but they didn't. Sorry that your dream didn't come true.
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im not saying that NaVi had a better era than Astralis, relax
but again, you must be delusional to think that winning 5/7 biggest events of 2021 is not an era. They won the majority of all events held that year.
Even Astralis has won a less % of the events in 2018
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You are incompetent, there is no debate whether they had an era or not lol, it’s a fact that they had.
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It's not "fact" at all.
Eras are user-defined, which is why no official article or HLTV-officiated article exists, it's the same for the GOAT debate.
It's "fact" that they had a period of dominance, it's down to your own opinion as to whether or not they achieved "era-defining dominance".
You need to understand the differences.
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You can basically say that about any team and any era
NaVi has won bigger % of events held in 2021 than Astralis in 2018
They have won the same amount of elite-tier events within one calendar year with the only difference that Astralis has won 2 majors
Commentators, analysts, pro players have been mentioning "NaVi era" for years now. I dont think one cocky dane can determine whether they had it or not when there are facts you cant argue with.
2021 liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour..
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Sure but that doesn't make it fact and there is no official statement or recognition, as it is specifically "user-defined".
Fact is they had a period of dominance, that's all - Exactly like the eras of old, which are also technical "user-defined" but have been accepted as cornerstones and marked as being "eras".
You are best off making a poll as opposed to expressing your own opinion as factual.
HLTV actually did make an article about CS:GO eras and even the article itself never claimed that it was fact, it just listed the usual contenders exactly like you're doing right here.
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Just like we can argue about hltv top-20 rankings
"A Period of dominance" yeah, like a year and they have almost won the same amount of trophies as NiP and fnatic
not to mention that the only reason why they stopped winning is because of NaVi's collapse as an org and bloody war.
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I'm not disputing that and that is obviously a completely different period of dominance.
NiP, fnatic and Astralis were dominant for more than a year, Na'Vi were dominant for less than half the time, which is why no-one generally accepts it as 'era-defining dominance' except obviously in accordance to an agreed upon opinion.
I'm not discrediting Na'Vi's dominance whatsoever, I just personally don't class it as "era-defining" but that's my opinion.
It isn't factual, friend. At least the Top 20 rankings have an official article every single year to cement the fact that an official news source recognises and confirms it, it isn't user-defined at all.
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More than a year?
Astralis era started in April 2018 and ended in March 2019
After that they didnt win anything for over 5 months (for instance Liquid won 5 events during that time, including Cologne and ESL PRO)
Won their last major and never came back
NiP era started in november 2012, ended in december 2013
fnatic could win 5 events in a row then lose 6.
NaVi era started in January 2020, ended in December 2020 and won nearly every event hosted during that time.
Its factual that NaVi was dominating as NiP 2013 or Astralis 2018 for almost the same amount of time. For the same period as prime Astralis and a month or two less than NiP
Just like its factual that the war ended NaVi's domination so you cant blame them for not winning more like Astralis who kept winning from time to time (not in a dominant manner but still)
there is a difference between dominating and staying relevant.
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No, the period of dominance for Na'Vi started in July of 2021, not January 2020.
Fnatic era started September 2014 and ended after they won their second Major in the August of the following year.
NiP era started October of 2012 and ended in December of 2013, they flunked out of tournaments after then and only won Copenhagen Games of 2014, even losing to VP at the Major of that year.
Astralis era was May 2018 all the way up until Kate of 2019 the following year.
The difference is that the teams were still "dominant" even after the "era-defining dominance" ended. Fnatic still had another period of dominance after they destroyed at Cluj-Napoca by EnVy and Pronax left to sign Dennis, that isn't the fnatic era anymore but they were still dominant as the number 1 team in the world - it's an important distinction.
Sure, it's "fact" that the war interfered with Na'Vi's dominance, it's "fact" when teams started winning up until they started losing.
It's not "fact" to claim somethings that isn't factual and is decided by the agreed upon general consensus, no matter how you want to dress it.
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By your logic Astralis era started in July when they won ELEAGUE.
So its even less, July 2018 - March 2019. 6-7 months
NaVi, July 2021 - December 2021. 6 months
Because there is absolutely no way that Astralis "era" started after winning EPL if you dont count NaVis 1m Blast Final. At that time fnatic were KAto winners, c9 Boston winners and then NaVi Cologne winners afterwards. But yeah, somehow an Astralis era already.
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They were dominant before EPL.
Astralis won ECS Season 5 in March, Dreamhack Marseilles won in April, grand-finalists of the following event in iEM Sydney and then they won EPL the month afterward. In July, magisk then joined Astralis and they didn't slow down.
Na'Vi didn't win anything after BLAST Global Final till Dreamhack Master Spring in April, then won nothing till July, when the actual dominance started.
So users will pit the Astralis era from when they started becoming dominant, which was technically March but I say April/May from they won DH Marseilles.
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in what way were they dominant?
Their first win was mid-tier DH
Their first big win was EPL
Then ECS with 8 teams half of which were irrelevant
meanwhile : NaVi Cologne winners, fnatic Kato winners, C9 Boston major winners. They werent dominant in any way.
NaVi started the year by winning one of the biggest events - 1m Blast.
Then first place at Blast Groups
They didnt manage to win IEM Online and ESL Pro online but won a DH Masters in between and then every other big event including the major
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DH Marseilles was S-Tier according to Liquipedia, ESC Season 5 was A-Tier.
You're not reading my post properly.
Na'Vi won two events in the span of 5 months and then won nothing till July, when the actual domination started.
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but its still a mid tier event with a 250k prizepool
not as impressive as NaVi winning Cologne, fnatic Kato and C9 Boston tbf
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I never stated otherwise, just that's when the dominance started.
At least Astralis' was per monthly, it wasn't as skewed or indeed as short as Na'Vi's - Astralis also won way more events than Na'Vi, which is obviously not Na'Vi's fault - I just don't assess the period of dominance as "era-defining" and many other users will share my opinion.
I have seen Na'Vi fans share yours, and good for them.
I only count three teams that achieved that, those being NiP, fnatic and Astralis.
So its either
April 2018 - Feb 2019 for Astralis
Jan 2021 - Dec 2021 NaVi
or
Jul 2018 for Astralis and Jul 2021 for NaVi
in both scenarios they were equally dominant for the same amount of time.
You cant say that Astralis were dominant since EPL when they lost to NaVi in Cologne right after that. Which is a much more prestigious event.
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very elaborate and timeconsuming bait
8/8
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Thank you!
No, you can't state this: "You are incompetent, there is no debate whether they had an era or not lol, it’s a fact that they had."
Me detailing when teams were dominant is, as you so put it, "fact".
I never once stated that you are not allowed to say that Na'Vi had an era, just that you can't profess it as factual, because it isn't.
astralis shouldn't be the standard of an era. If astralis is the baseline, then what does that make fnatic and nip?
NaVi demonstrated consistent and long term domination over the scene, won a major and IGS. The fact that there weren't offline events for half the year isn't their fault. You can only play the events in front of you
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Not at all.
Astralis were still dominant even after their era ended and were still crowned the best team of 2020 during the online-era: hltv.org/news/30896/top-10-teams-of-2020
Na'Vi just found their missing piece and s1mple peaked beyond expectations - they finally had the most cohesive team at the time of b1t's addition.
best era was NiP era with my boi Fiffy
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The bias in me says +1 but fnatic and Astralis had cool eras, too.
It's a shame the NiP era didn't age that well but it stands a relic and testament of how dominant you can be regardless of competition. :)
Crowdless Events Era against Amanek Awping LMAO
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img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/UXp_SPsw..
crowdless events era against amanek awping lmao
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All teams were either dead or never played a lan
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LMAO. dead teams right
wdym never a played a lan :D
Not as dead as the teams during Astralis era where their biggest opponent - NaVi had 2 washed up 30+ yo Edward and ZEus w/ 1kd flamie in team.
cope harder please
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Danish trio were gonna go to vitality. It wad confirmed before the major started...
If that isn't dead then idk what is
Gambit and heroic never played a lan
Not as dead as the teams during "Navi" era where their biggest opponent - g2 had 2 washed up 29 yo amanek and jackz w/ below 1 kd awper :DDDD
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I like amanek and jackz though
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On its way
C9 upset fnatic with seangares and freakazoid at dreamhack in 2015 and then getting smashed by TSM lovely era
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hltv.org/matches/2297034/cloud9-vs-fnati.. my bad it was not dreamhack
the fnatic era was the best imo
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2021
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour..
yes there was
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Navi definitely had an era but it wasn't the best period of csgo
In part exactly because of navis era
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yeah, NaVi is the only org to attend to all the majors and basically the most consistent org of all time. They have been on top since day 1 of CS:GO
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Doesn't matter at all, I meant the boombl4 era where they won everything for like 8 months straight
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2016-2018 was insane
They definitely had a period of dominance but achieving era-defining dominance?
That's generally contested, especially in comparing to the eras of old: NiP, fnatic and Astralis.
Exactly like the LG/SK periods of dominance.
2017/2018/2019
lmao bro is living in his own make-believe world where navi have an era and stopped prime astralis
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Eras are subjective, Na'Vi fans think they had one and that's fine - nothing wrong with that.
Obviously "stopping prime-Astralis" is true to an extent, s1mple netting the number 1 spot of that year also sort of confirms that statements in its own unique way.
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It’s not okay or fine to have a differing opinion to mine.
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Then you are on the wrong website, friend. ;)
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I will make everyone agree with me. I am on the correct website.
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Good luck with that.
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I don’t need luck. Take it back.
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I will not be swayed with such ease.
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don’t force me, i’ll do it.
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I'm not going to force you, I'm going to see what you are capable of.
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Liquid best
Overall 2019-really early 2020 were best years, but shit hit the fan because someone likes to eat bats
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Covid was faked so ZywOo could win some online A-cups and steal top-1 from s1mple, the GOAT
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"Steal Top 1"
Friend... Come on now. :D
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He did though. Both Vita and Zywoo were such a failure in 2020. Choked at literally every big event but shined at cs summits, ECS etc. s1mple was the highest rated player of 2020 with a much better run and performance at big events such as esl pro, iem
Kato etc
Zywoo literally collected haidan, dh open, summit online mvps for free and ended up being the best despite choking at the most important events. Not to mention how he performed half of the year
Oh yeah! I forgot to mention how they divided everyone into regional groups and EU region was the only one who could get the mvps
S1mple was forced to play ESL cis, IEM CIS and never had the chance to get an extra mvp like Zywoo
This is the truth and straight facts. Those mvps were the reason they gave it to zywoo most of which were from low tier and regional EU events
Both navi and s1 performed better in 2020
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That doesn't mean nor confirm that ZywOo "stole s1mple's Top 1" whatsoever, nor is there any "fact" to that claim at all.
ZywOo was literally just as deserving for the number 1 spot as s1mple was, it was the closest Top 1 spot to date, so don't pretend otherwise.
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Nope he wasn’t. Failing at every big event is not a top-1 performance no matter what you gonna say
S1mple was higher rated, won more and performed better at the the most important events
Everyone knows that s1mple was robbed that year. Just look at the amount of mvps that s1mple wasn’t even theoretically able to win due to regional separation. Yet he had some some of the biggest mvps aka iem Kato and esl pro.
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"Everyone knows"
No, this is your opinion that is shared with other people who also believe the same - stop trying to assume that you have higher authority over everything else, friend.
ZywOo didn't "steal s1mple's Top 1" - He earned it fair and square.
How is that hard for you to understand?
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Fair and square lmao
By choking at every big event hosted that year and collecting the mvps s1mple wouldn’t be able to get because of regional separation
Cs summit, dh open mvp, Haidan MVP xd
While s1mple is kato and esl pro mvp with 7 Evps + higher rating + more trophies
It’s not my opinion, it’s facts. You can’t deny the fact that s1 had higher rating, better MVPs and more trophies while zywoo collected low tier MVPs from regional events that s1mple wouldn’t even be able to win
ZywOo has won because of Covid circumstances and hltv cluelessness.
“ZywOo deserved it” lmao.
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"It’s not my opinion, it’s facts."
No it's not - we've been over this. You also again are not reading my posts properly.
I'm not disputing the evidence that you've provided in order to form your opinion or "denying fact", I'm disputing the fact that you don't consider ZywOo a Top 1 contender for 2020, because that's wrong and incredibly unfair to ZywOo who performed really well in 2020.
Worst of you all you attempt to even imply foul-play occurred and then also attempt to claim that rubbish to be factual?
That's also wrong, friend.
Obviously I respect your opinion but whether you like it or not, ZywOo didn't "steal anything", that's your own disturbed and unfair interpretation.
You need to treat it like that.
You are destroyed by facts, once again. You can’t argue with anything I said because it’s true.
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"Destroyed by facts"
At this point I don't think you know what a fact even is anymore...
It helps if you actually read my posts instead of assuming that I'm "denying evidence" as opposed to disputing your claims of foul-play and correcting your misinformation.
Did you seriously say that Na'Vi lineup is the greatest in the game?Maybe on an absolute term they could be,highest peak could be argued too but prime Astralis is without a doubt the greatest lineup of the game,Na'Vi 2021 arent even close
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NaVi would have destroyed them without a drop of sweat. The key to Astralis success was how they changed the meta and played differently. Individually they weren’t the best. They just outplayed as a team. It wouldn’t work in 2021, especially against navi where you have every member being much better individually than anyone from astr
I loved watching the fnatic era with virtus pro challenging. They even played season in the final outside in Dubai at some point. Man I loved season!!!
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true
2015-2016
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Now is a great time to be watching cs too
as much as I want to side with navi, their 2021 dominance was not long enough for an "era", more like 2018/19 astralis is the last era of csgo
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