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cis has fallen
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Germany k1to_diet 
navi going international c9 superteam not living up to the hype yet vp perpetually stuck around #10 and spirit having all their stars stolen
2023-08-22 18:27
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Spirit stars stolen?
2023-08-22 18:28
22 replies
degster w0nderful patsi
2023-08-22 18:29
21 replies
#3
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Belarus Ozymandius
0/8
2023-08-22 18:29
#10
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Japan DevilBr0
degster leave spirit, because of structure that cant allow his agressive plays
2023-08-22 18:32
6 replies
he left for money
2023-08-22 18:32
5 replies
No
2023-08-22 19:28
2023-08-22 19:29
3 replies
bro spirit is literally just run and shoot head it was chopper who told degster to go aggressive in the first place
2023-08-22 19:58
2 replies
degster was kicked lmao.
2023-08-22 18:32
1 reply
2023-08-22 19:29
pretty sure Spirit benched w0nderful and Patsi so they were not stolen and Degster himself didn't want to play in Spirit anymore
2023-08-22 18:34
6 replies
benched means being sold and yes, obviously spirit is selling them, they gotta make money either way, theyre leaving cis for international teams
2023-08-22 18:35
5 replies
Obviously Spirit is selling them, their roster sucked ass for the last 3 months. Now they got bigger stars xd
2023-08-22 19:10
4 replies
dropped from top 10 to #30
2023-08-22 19:11
3 replies
ranking changes when a team loses players, spirit lost 3
2023-08-22 19:12
1 reply
i dont see them getting back into the top 10 with this roster
2023-08-22 19:14
That's to be expected considering the opposition their main team played compared to what their Academy squad played. Fact of the matter is that talentwise donk is better than any player on former Spirit period and Artfrost fits way better into the system than degster or wonderful ever have or will
2023-08-22 19:20
#24
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Armenia VirtusNo
donk > degster w0nderful patsi
2023-08-22 18:41
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#97
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Egypt sheezyyy
frfr also artfrost > degster he fits so good into their system
2023-08-22 22:28
Nah, you are kidding me
2023-08-22 19:48
1 reply
nt anders
2023-08-22 20:04
#4
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Japan DevilBr0
betboom team, aurora, vp, 1win. This teams have problems but eventually they can easily go in top 15 for a long time
2023-08-22 18:30
18 replies
#26
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United States 1Tuurtle
betboom needs a better fifth than danistzzz. also Idk about having both kairon and siren but that's probably just me. I feel like you can find a better fifth than Sellter if you're aroura VP is good, we'll see how they do with norbert 1win shouldnt have both Nickelback and boom, but even then I feel like to be consistent top 15 they need a better player than travis. That could just be me though
2023-08-22 18:46
17 replies
Not just u, we’re atleast 2 (agree with the s1ren, kairon part)
2023-08-22 19:09
agreed with all Also Aurora have lattykk who is pretty shitty awper
2023-08-22 19:39
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#64
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United States 1Tuurtle
he's okay but there are surely better options
2023-08-22 20:15
Shalfey -> BB, resalt -> Aurora, forze -> full rebuild. According to boomych, there is a question about C9. If they will fail in EPL, they go for him, I am pretty sure. Especially because Hobbit is not a great now and will be worse in CS2 for sure (because of age at least).
2023-08-22 19:46
11 replies
#59
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United States 1Tuurtle
hobbit is better than boombla. better caller, better fragger, more chemistry with the team
2023-08-22 20:09
10 replies
Even if I take "better caller" seriously, he is going to be a "worse fragger" soon. Come on, he is almost 30. Being "nice guy" in public doesn't make him better as a player.
2023-08-22 20:21
7 replies
#68
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United States 1Tuurtle
Boombla has a .99 rating in tier 3. Hobbit has the same in tier 1 with a team that is struggling. And you're going to tell me that Boombla is a better caller when he's been out of tier 1 for two years now? Boom was never really a great caller either, he just fit navi well. He might fit C9 well to but Im not confident with that. and I doubt C9 replace another player after playing 2 full events with this new team.
2023-08-22 20:27
6 replies
Boom has 1.0+ rating 7 events in a row. But anyway, this is not the main point, Hobbit's age is. I am sure 25yo Boomych ~ 30yo Hobbit in terms of frags. The only option for Hobbit is to became IGL, but I don't understand how it's possible now. Also, I don't insist on Boomych (moreover, I still believe in electronic-IGL idea), but if he keeps doing decent job and Cloud9 will fail again, everything is possible. It depends on what we call fail, of course, because it seems like they go to playoffs anyway. Another option is -Hobbit +strong rifler, as I said, I still believe that firepower means more than calls.
2023-08-22 20:54
5 replies
#77
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United States 1Tuurtle
Boombla never has been that great of a fragger though and Hobbit has already proven in 2021 that at an older age he can still perform decent, he could be like forest and tbh I wouldnt replace him with an igl I'd get a player with more firepower, like forester. I feel like getting boombla would sidegrade the team not improve it, that's my issue. They wont be a worse team but they wont be better either so there is no point. I actually really like your changes at #52 btw, forgot about resalt but he's good and shalfey would be great for Betboom what do you think about raijin btw? I remember he was good last year in Ave but this year in K23 I dont remember seeing him at all.
2023-08-22 21:01
4 replies
I thought about forest as analogy, but still he had a very significant fall when he was around 30. And don't forget about CS2, it's not like 1.6->CSGO, obviously, but still can be hard for older players. As I said, I also see more firepower as an option, yeah. The dream is Fl1t, of course, but forester is a decent option too, agree. I don't follow real t3 so deep, but in general, I don't believe in players who play on this level in this age (seems like I am an ageist) ). That's why I don't believe in Artfrost, for example.
2023-08-22 21:20
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#81
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United States 1Tuurtle
I think hobbit will stay at a similar level for a few years, but that might mean replacing him for more firepower. Flit would be great but I doubt they can get him out of VP. I think 21 is still a young enough age to make a breakthrough, 22 it just depends. it took roej til he was like 27 iirc to breakthrough onto Fnatic.
2023-08-22 21:22
2 replies
Will see (I wish them best anyway), ty for the conversation :)
2023-08-22 21:41
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#89
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United States 1Tuurtle
yep, I will say I wouldnt be happy if it happens (I like hobbit a lot more than boombla) but if it works I'll admit I was wrong. Have a great day ;)
2023-08-22 21:42
boombl4 was a legit fragging IGL in Navi, he's just in a slump and is only 24 so he has time to turn it around. also Boom being IGL lets electronic Loose.
2023-08-22 21:32
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#90
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United States 1Tuurtle
I feel like Boom was only a solid fragger because Navi weren't losing games. and even then he wasnt that good.
2023-08-22 21:43
#72
s1ren | 
Russia bult0
Travis isn't that bad, it's just -nickelback is in order
2023-08-22 20:36
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#78
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United States 1Tuurtle
he's decent but idk if 1win can expect to be consistently top 15 with him
2023-08-22 21:01
CIS has s1mple, sh1ro, m0nesy, but they sure as hell don't have fallen
2023-08-22 18:30
5 replies
+1
2023-08-22 18:30
s0mple has definitely fallen
2023-08-22 18:30
2 replies
hltv.org/matches/2323158/sk-vs-natus-vin.. s1mple definantly has fallen, not even a question, for many years now
2023-08-22 18:31
1 reply
most definantly
2023-08-22 18:35
Exactly! Thought it was common knowledge that he’s from BR
2023-08-22 19:10
Would be interesting to see South African teams rise to the top in CS2
2023-08-22 18:33
they have donk, best player in the history of esports
2023-08-22 18:35
so many household names in general, not only CIS, have become random faceit stacks, it feels soulless
2023-08-22 18:35
#19
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Croatia KraljBrk
Gotta be one of the most delusional posts I have ever seen lol, only agreeable thing on here is that navi went international. -C9 superteam is legit a month old -VP isn't a partner team & the majority of post major events this year have been partner events -spirit having their stars "stolen" when spirit is a talent factory that produces ridiculous talent from out of nowhere. Not buying big names then trying to sell them for a bit more. Delusional Jerman upset his scene fell years ago & wants other scenes to fail
2023-08-22 18:35
2 replies
flair checks out
2023-08-22 18:36
1 reply
#54
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Croatia KraljBrk
Smartest response you could have had, even though you didn't talk about 1win lmao. Keep hoping cis scene will fall because jermans no longer have more than 1 relevant team
2023-08-22 19:50
and bright colored hairs on males too
2023-08-22 18:37
#23
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Armenia VirtusNo
no, furia has him
2023-08-22 18:40
1 reply
fair
2023-08-22 20:05
Muhamed thread
2023-08-22 18:42
Donk there to save CIS just like zywoo saving French CS
2023-08-22 19:02
#32
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World streetson
lol no, FURIA has Fallen. u dumb or something?
2023-08-22 19:07
Braziiiiiil has Fallen. WHAT are you on?
2023-08-22 19:14
#41
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Brazil Guthss
hope that furia works
2023-08-22 19:15
Most of them are going through roster changes. Look at the B-tier scene it's dominated by the likes of Monte, Aurora, Space, Spirit to name a few...
2023-08-22 19:24
1 reply
Monte not CIS, bye.
2023-08-22 20:28
#45
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Brazil Whillpull
furia is not cis, you silly man
2023-08-22 19:26
#49
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Putin killed it
2023-08-22 19:32
you forgot about the other 50 CIS players who are on their way up?
2023-08-22 19:40
#58
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
international on top
2023-08-22 20:07
#60
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Brazil Anarchy_BR
I thought FURIA had FalleN Did he signed to a new org named CIS??
2023-08-22 20:10
Cis does not have fallen Brazil has fallen. He plays for team furia Regards
2023-08-22 20:13
3 replies
they have jame
2023-08-22 20:14
1 reply
True they have Jame they do not need fallen
2023-08-22 20:17
hahaha
2023-08-22 20:37
#75
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Sweden NicuPalero
Virtus Pro are looking very scary now tho. + norbert and the team in general have been looking better and better for every tournament.
2023-08-22 20:47
#82
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
vp is top 5 on most days and spirit just got their talent finally promoted lol
2023-08-22 21:23
What is cis?
2023-08-22 21:27
9 replies
#84
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
russia ukraine kyrgystan kazakhstan armenia uzbekistan belarus and some irrelevant ones
2023-08-22 21:29
8 replies
ua not part of cis mens
2023-08-22 21:39
1 reply
#93
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
my bad
2023-08-22 22:13
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_In.. Can't see Ukraine here. And hope there will be no Kazakhstan in the near future as well
2023-08-22 22:22
5 replies
#95
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
well if kazakhstan leaves CIS there will be war, russia has warned ukraine many times to not do anything like leaving cis or joining nato but they didnt listen and look now, its better for everyone if all the countries just remain the same, people are happy and healthy
2023-08-22 22:24
4 replies
True Kazakh will never say this. Typical russian slave, hiding behind a fake flag, nothing new here.
2023-08-22 23:17
3 replies
#102
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
im not kazakh or russian, i just like the color lol i change it daily, im from moldova, i don't get why people (including you in this case) want war between countries
2023-08-22 23:19
2 replies
Cool story. #101
2023-08-22 23:20
1 reply
#104
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Kazakhstan DONK_TOP1
well okay sure believe what you want idk what i get from proving something to you but actual question, why do you want war in other countries? are you jealous or what this is a geniune question
2023-08-22 23:23
#85
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Brazil Gebruel
CIS has fallen Billions must...
2023-08-22 21:30
Liar! BR has FalleN
2023-08-22 22:24
5 Russian teams in top 30 I dont remember something like this before
2023-08-22 22:29
#99
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Brazil MrLucas
Furia moving to CIS confirmed?
2023-08-22 22:41
#100
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China Jimmyzera
no, fallen is playing in SA
2023-08-22 22:58
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