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b1t - won a major and a grandslam, top 9 HLTV, no mvps but one of the best riflers that year by far
zywoo - top 1 HLTV, won 3 tier 1 tournaments and won 4 mvps including a cologne
m0nesy - won 1 tournament, top 7 HLTV, won 1 mvp (i know its less impressive but considering how famous he got for how good he was he could be here)
kjaerbye - won a major and a katowice and won a major mvp, top 15 HLTV
there's more but i think these are the most popular and impressive ones
who's your fav
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good choice
THis kid right here
youtube.com/shorts/84NskfIqlx4?feature=s..
No doubt monesy is one of the best
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yup
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I know some people think tier1 can go as far as top20-30 but you cant seriously think fucking academy teams can count as tier1.
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tier1=top10
tier2=top20-40
tier3=top40-100
tier4=top100-250
nowadays pick up a 5 2k elo stack have them play together for a few months (or year+) and thats tier4 level {{EU TIERs!!!}} for na their tier1 is like eu tier2, na tier2=eu tier3
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im talking about rookie year in tier 1
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but cold joined lg in the second half of 2015 he played a bunch of events including a major before going crazy on 2016
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Coldzera in 2015 already played in 2 major quarters and big LAN event finals/semis while Zywoo played in smaller LANs and b1t was in an academy team playing online vs top30-50 teams.Those are nowhere near the same level
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you cant spell LIE without I
auz dont know much about cs indeed, also hungary with thorin's dumb name lol
get a book newfags
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9216/cold..
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You just proved what he said was true, dumbass
that's because there were 3 majors in a year that time
to be fully fair we should probably just call it rookie 12 months because comparing coldzera's first 3.5 months to b1t and zywoo's 2021 and 2019 is unfair as their sample size is a lot higher.
So my conclusion is that:
cold's first 12 months are definitely up there with zywoo and b1t's first 12 months
"zywho" played in tier 5 exactly that doesnt count in tier 1, coldzera had a bunch of events before 2016, and yes b1t played in tier 2, your point?
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so what? he was a kid, he just joined later because he had to finish school, zywoo by the end of the year will have 5 years in the top of cs, botzera had 2 lmao
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what? if anything apex has been stoping zywoo from getting more trophies lmao get zywoo on faze for broky and its joever for everyone
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So mad and so wrong in everything at the same time lolmmm
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1/7
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+1 not even close
yeah and he got a cologne mvp
if someone gets top 1 hltv and a major mvp someday on first year in tier 1 they will have the best rookie year
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coldzera by far
hltv.org/stats/players/matches/9216/cold..
but didnt age so well
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Cold's Rookie year was 2015 so no
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ZywOo*
What is your problem?
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That isn't how you answer a question.
If you're purposely misspelling ZywOo's name, then the problem is yours, not mine.
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Just because you don't see disrespecting others as a problem doesn't mean that it isn't one.
Actually try reading posts instead of arguing like a wannabe edgy teenager - it's not difficult to get a player's name correctly, you don't fine enough for Coldzera.
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go to reddit
We are talking about T1 here...No one is taking what Cold did in 2016/17 away from him but he did come to T1 scene with Fallen and Fer in mid 2015 and even played a Major so 2016 cannot be his rookie year.
and it's ZywOo please learn to respect
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Lmao nice going
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he only got to play 3.5 months so that seems kind of unfair to consider 3.5 months his rookie year
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^^^
and zywoo played two months in vitality in 2018 so that was his rookie year u guyz
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ZywOo by far axaxxaxa
agree
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he's a beast
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It has to be Zywoo,he didnt win a lot but individually he was insane.
Coldzera is up there,winning 2 majors and #1 but he was already playing in tier1 in late 2015 so he wasnt as much of a rookie in 2016.Zywoo was playing in Vitality in 2018 but it was mostly tier2.
b1t was great too but Zywoo was better,also half the year was online
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tbf he won some good events
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but cold wasnt rookie year, cold started in 2015, he played a bunch of events before going crazy in 2016, very crazy regardless
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b1t only transitioned into tier 1 with Na'Vi, ZywOo only transitioned into tier 1 with Vitality.
Coldzera transitioned into tier 1 with LG when they established themselves as a tier 1 team but arguably, Coldzera also had the most experience before then as LG was an upset team who played against the best opposition before the Major.
Sure, the parameters don't disqualify Coldzera but the "rookie" part is obviously contested.
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Coldzera actually playing versus tier 1 teams in 2015 is still a rookie but ZywOo playing versus tier 2 isn't?
That makes zero sense.
That's why the distinction of "rookie in tier 1" was made in this very thread.
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b1t clear
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You can't be serious lmao...
Donk
Zyw0o is the best rookie of all time
hooxi
ZywOo is the obvious contender here because it has never been replicated to this day unless you want to count Coldzera as a "rookie" in 2016.
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You can say what B1t archived as rookie is unmatched.
He won everything in his first 12 month
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Achieve an IGS in your first year in tier 1 and becoming a Major champion is equally just as impressive.
I would argue two consecutive Top 1's is a better individual accolade.
Still, I'm not discrediting any player whatsoever, insane rookie talents, for sure.
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I wasn't meant to put two Top 1's, so I apologise for that.
Yeah, achievements go to b1t but the Top 1 goes to ZywOo. It's debating as to which is valued more.
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He could be the best player in the universe doesn't matter.
You forget Zywoo started in mid-2018. And in his first 6 months, his best win was a DH open.
So when we look again. B1t won in his first 6 months Cologne Grandslam, EPL, etc.
And again b1t is ahead.
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And Zywoo had 3 major winners in his team and 1 with a major mvp...
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2023...
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One of the trash led Zywoo to his major
But NT
donk.
Well, you could consider m0nesy a former rookie
bonk
people claiming zywoo over b1t are the same people that place dev1ce in top 3 because of achievements. decide for once how much achievements matter for you .
in my honest opinion , nobody can top zywoo's debut year but thats because i dont give that much value to trophies as much as i trust my eye test , no denying exceptional performance from b1t in his rookie year. He was an insane rifler
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you probably meant to say b1t over zywoo, but yeah
people also forget that b1t was very mediocre for the first half of 2021
hltv.org/stats/players/18987/b1t?startDa..
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"people claiming zywoo over b1t are the same people that place dev1ce in top 3 because of achievements."
read it again brother
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i get your point, but it doesnt really make sense considering device is also statistically top3 of all time
a better example would be rating dupreeh over NiKo
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Noone sane would ever put b1t over zywoo...
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People put device over zywoo bcs of relevancy, consistency, achievements AND individual awards like mvps and stuff.
B1t has only and ONLY team achievements and let's consider circumstances. He went to t1 team with top1/2 player in the world while zywoo went to French rejects team that he carried to top3 team od the year on his own...
How is that even comparable?
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what are you talking about?
Both Zywoo( almost 5 years) and dev1ce have been consistent . Both have achievements but dev1ce obviously has more than zywoo BUT zywoo's individual prowess >>>> dev1ce.
About zywoo going to a shit team as compared to b1t's team , the same can be said for dev1ce vs zywoo. Astralis 2018 >>> vitality if you remove zywoo and dev1ice from their respective team ( assuming comparison is based on their respective eras and not drectly).
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Can't rly say if you are actually serious or trolling...either way I have absolutely no reason to continue in this.
Again: no SANE person would ever put b1t over zywoo and this is based on FACTS
dont forget frozen, brollan and sergej
donk
Zywoo and it's not even close
donk
/closed
Fernando Alonso
Its no other than zywoo. Literally brought a dead team into top10, everyone whos left zywoo from the old lineup has retired. m0nesy and b1t were amazing and very close between each other, but the boss is on a very different level.
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0/8
2017 not even Kjaerbye's rookie year
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Donk in 2023
zywoo easy
can't believe no one mentioned donk...
Godwoo imo, b1t a really close 2nd
Zywoo got #1 his rookie year and mvp, b1t won major, cologne, IGS, EPL, fall final, world final in his
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he played his first match for vitality in october 2018 and played his first 2 star game in february 2019. it's basically the same thing.
When people say rookie they dont mean the year from the first match of cs they ever played they mean when they start playing tier 1.
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and when did zywoo play "t1" before vitality...?
he hadnt single big event before 2019 lmao. ofc that 2019 was his roogie year
kjaerbye wasnt a rookie in 2017. he had already played a year in astralis, and another year in dignitas before
It's Zywoo without a shadow of doubt
Thought out CS history? probably NEO in 1.6.
CSGO, Zywoo.
Donk in 2024, LeBron in 2003/4
As with everything, the answer is:
JW top 1
bonk
donk is not a rookie, he is goat
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it's not even a contest...zywoo is 20 steps ahead of anyone.
Zywoo, bro is n1 in his first year
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