Forum thread: T1 CS

their lineup isn't that good. no real stars, cadian has a big ego but thats it, not K/D wise. Also they choke in hard tournaments like majors, cologne. In the end they lack a lot

2023-09-05 21:40

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Disagree, their lineup is great and their weakest player is cadian, who should be. Jabbi has been slumping but has shown the skills necessary for “star” status. I don’t think heroic’s playstyle outlines star players like a vitality or NaVi.

2023-09-05 21:44

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"Great" but not great enough is all I said, we can see it in every big tournament that they falter and choke in important LAN matches in front of the crowd. No need to dispute facts

2023-09-05 21:46

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They don’t always choke on lan, that’s a fact not a dispute. They are closer to greatness than they are failure, and you can’t dispute that.

2023-09-05 21:51

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I didn't but they are far from a team that can have a era. Eras now are more or less gone and Heroic is the last team in the top 5 i would think of that could achieve a era. Simply not enough skill or character.

2023-09-05 21:52

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Not enough character I can agree with, only player on that team with a semblance of character is cadian. It could be the case that he holds them back but he has some great calls despite being bad as an individual and having to crutch awp

2023-09-05 22:14

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Yea it's the issue of "1 guy is too far apart of the rest" and it adds a form of disparity between them, I noticed this a few times lately when they were playing. The chemistry isn't that good in that team, cadian ideally would want 4 other players on his level mentally. Or at least 2 others (typical "core" these days).

2023-09-05 22:21

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Yes this I completely agree with, everyone in heroic seems scared as fuck except cadian and jabbi (a lil bit)

2023-09-05 22:30

Imo Stavn is one of their biggest weaknesses despite being their best player. If you're gonna be that good in group stages and be the 'star' of the team, you better step up in playoffs but instead he tends to go missing, comparing that to stars like NiKo or Ropz who most times step up to the occasion, but only CadiaN actually steps up I feel in playoffs (sometimes Jabbi too)

2023-09-06 00:41

T1 FEKER on cs ??

2023-09-06 04:32

individually they are nowhere near teams like vitality or g2, their window for an "era" is closed.

2023-09-05 21:40

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Disagree, outside of cadian the team is young and very capable, they may never realize their peak but they haven’t hit it

2023-09-05 21:45

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yea no, they don't. teses and sjuush are above average players who just play their role perfectly and jabbi is unbelievably inconsistent.

2023-09-05 21:47

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Perfect role players are what get teams to championship matches, but they lack the true star to win them. I think that while Jabbi is crazy inconsistent, he can be the star if he fixes that.

2023-09-05 21:50

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+1 prime Astralis was quite similar to Heroic in many aspects (apart from device, obviously)

2023-09-05 22:22

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+1 people don’t realize how much of a unicorn device is, there have been no players except maybe S1mple that compare in terms of level and consistency

2023-09-05 22:24

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yes, apart from that, saying Heroic lack a star player is just plain stupid, as stavn is there

2023-09-05 22:25

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stavn is not a star player lol

2023-09-05 22:27

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stavn is a star player indeed, obviously not as obvious due to how heroic functions, but yes Regards,

2023-09-05 22:30

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you are wrong and the stats prove it, but whatever makes you sleep better brother.

2023-09-05 22:31

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Yes, the stats clearly prove that he is the best player on Heroic, while everyone on Heroic also delivers. That's what I just said in the previous reply.

2023-09-05 22:32

if you filter by playoff stats then you would understand why stavn is not considered a star player

2023-09-06 00:36

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you dont have to tell me lol

2023-09-06 04:33

1-2% isn't a statistical number, probably just a way of saying: we are so close but we just lack something tiny

2023-09-05 21:40

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mike hawk?

2023-09-05 21:43

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No my cock

2023-09-05 22:13

The consistency is insane

2023-09-05 21:41

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Actually insane, consistency is like 2018 liquid

2023-09-05 21:46

no, now it seems that more or less any t2 team can upset any "t1" team

2023-09-05 21:41

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T2 is practically t1.5 at this point, even some t3 teams can beat t1s, it shows how much the skill gap has closed over the years

2023-09-05 21:47

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yep, that's why I'm slowly losing interest in pro scene

2023-09-06 04:31

not possible to have an era without a distinguised star player. They have great teamplay/chemistry to go deep in tournaments but not enough to win the real top tournaments

2023-09-05 21:42

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Astralis?

2023-09-05 21:48

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device was and still is their star player. (except during the time he decided to leave for NiP, which later crippled him due to Emilia cheating on him which basically screwed his physical and mental health)

2023-09-05 21:54

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Meh you can sorta say that but other teammates won mvps during their eras so I don’t think you could say he was exclusively their star player

2023-09-05 22:02

lol astralis had multiple star players

2023-09-05 21:55

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Except they were all so good that no one was particularly a star, all 5 were top 20 in 2018

2023-09-05 22:00

They genuinely need a star to lift the team when others are not feeling confident. give a player like zywoo , Niko to heroic and see how they stop to choke

2023-09-05 21:51

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You can’t say NiKo and stop choke in same sentence mens)) he’s the king of choke

2023-09-05 21:52

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He used to be . Not anymore . He dropped 1.35 in cologne , 1.27 in gamers8. he is far from choko now

2023-09-05 21:53

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I remember Boston NiKo and Stockholm NiKo, and can’t forget….

2023-09-05 22:18

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I actually hated faze back then so I loved the underdog win :). But yeah , cant forget Stockholm miss :( , regardless he showed some form that i have never seen from any player , let alone a rifler do it at the biggest stage

2023-09-06 08:27

I thought this thread would be about SKT T1

2023-09-06 08:28