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1. ZywOo
2. NiKo
3. m0nesy
4. sh1ro
5. Spinx
6. SunPayus
7. s1mple
8. ropz
9. hunter
10. stavn/jabbi
no russian ever become top1 kinda sad, hope one day we get it
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dude💀💀💀
I think not having a single dane with a top-1 is much crazier, so yeah, its not that easy actually and some scenes manage to develop some crazy t1 lineups but never have a player who's capable of getting the top-1 spot
Russia has actually won the major twice
NaVi with Boombla, electronic, Perfecto + s1mple who's half russian
and Outsiders (VP)
you have like 8 different major winners in CS:GO, thats a pretty good achievement
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where did you find that s1mple is half russian
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well, its was revealed by the russian speaking community millions of times + confirmed by the ukrainians that his father is russian and that he bears a common russian surname
+ I think he said something like that on his stream too when somebody asked him. something about him having russian roots because of his father/mother
its not really relevant though, he's ukrainian but technically the team consisted by the majority of Ruskies and NaVi had a russian flag at that time so some people can claim that Russia has won a major twice which is partly true
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Didnt know that about him
And navi had russian flag just because of that the roster consisted of 4 russians at the time when he was only 1 to be from ukraine
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Gambit was for sure a Kazakh/CIS Lineup
3 kazakhs, 1 russian, 1 ukrainian
Dosia is included in one of those 8 russians with a major who I mentioned though
m0NESY deserve it
bro forgot device
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dev1ce has like x2 less maps against top-20, didnt play at the major, 0 mvps, 1-2 evps
Will all due respect, he has missed over 50% of t1 CS this year and didnt attend major which is very crucial
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fair, but he's 100% gonna be top 10 still. hes also getting pro league mvp btw
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Device's best possible placing is Top 10, to be fair.
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Not according to the information.
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I'm not knocking the individual skill of Device, I'm disputing the statistics and information of why he isn't a Top 5 contender.
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No, that's a misconception.
If HLTV had "Danish bias", Device would've been number 1 in 2018, not s1mple.
HLTV will see Device's 2023 exactly as it should be seen, even if you do not.
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Do you not find the rankings interesting?
The fact that you don't know how these rankings work doesn't make them ass tbh.
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Flag is irrelevant if you yourself don't understand the rankings, friend.
it depends on these last few events imo.
He has the fourth highest rating at big events this year, behind zywoo, jackz (who has 6 maps) and KSCERATO.
If he keeps up his current form and Astralis continue to make deeper runs like Cologne He can certainly sneak in. There are (counting EPL) 7 more S-tier events as defined by Liquipedia. Astralis is currently at 4 and has the chance to be at 2 others.
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Sure, into the Top 10 but not Top 5...
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So you claim and yet users definitely would've played the biased card had that occur...
anything below top 5 would be daylight robbery. this year he is easily better than sh1ro, sunpayus and simple. at worst: Zywoo, niko, m0nesy, spinx, device...
less deep playoff runs and whatnot will of course hurt his placing but if we're being real hes 100% a top 5 player this year
but yeah realistically he'll probably only just make top 8-10
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No, this year he has zero relevant S-Tier playoffs bar Cologne, hardly any maps played and a potential EVP from Cologne.
Brazy Party was his best event and that's not even S-Tier.
Sure, he's easily Top 5 individually this year but realistically, he would at best net a Top 10 placing.
+1
he has more maps than zywoo against top20 opponents overall, he just cant rank that high because he missed quite a few big events
he can get to top 8-ish if his rating doesnt start to drop, which it has
Shiro also missed Major and he is in Top 10 lol
a little explanation on m0nesy vs sh1ro
1) hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star..
hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start..
2) hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate..
3) hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
4) m0nesy has Kato EVP, Cologne EVP, BLAST Spring Final evp.
sh1ro has IEM Rio and ESL Pro EVP
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#5
almost every player I mentioned has x2 - x3 more t1 maps played + mvps + evps
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xd yes mate. I'm not a hater, I would have placed him above sh1ro any day of the week if not the major and insane lack of t1 maps/events played so far. He has a chance to enter the top-10 list if he does something crazy at the end of the year.
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Post #28.
Look at the facts, not the bias.
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No, that's not a fact, that's your bias and ignoring the information of why he isn't.
You're also forgetting that we've had this conversation before and there I specifically broke down why Device is not a Top 5 contender.
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As it stands right now, Device is unlikely to be Top 10.
That can easily change but hardly any maps played, barely any S-Tier events attended and Cologne being his only decent placing... The only thing in Device's favour is crazy statistics and a possible Cologne EVP.
Brazy Party is A-Tier and they lost that tournament.
It's possible but would depend on Device's and Astralis' placements for the rest of the year.
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Brazy party doesn't count since it had about 2 games for playoffs in which astralis/c9 were invited, and it's online.
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It also wasn't a big event or S-Tier event either.
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I wouldn't consider brazy party even as a b-tier event
Astralis being shit shouldn't have THAT much of an effect on where he places, the guy has been consistently insane this year, one of the top 5 players in the world probably. Look at 2022, Astralis were even worse and BlameF came 12th, Device has easily been better in 2023 than BlameF was in 2022.
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That's exactly my point. If BlameF didn't even crack the Top 10 last year with his insane statistics, then Device has no chance.
I actually had BlameF as a Top 10 prediction that year and because of his sample size and lack of tier 1 attendances, 12th was the best that he got. Device has a better chance than BlameF to appear but I think he needs more placings and another EVP or two to get it.
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I'm not ruling him out, I'm just assessing the current information.
Top 10 is still possible for Device, so fingers crossed.
Monesy 3? Sunpayus 6? (!)
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check m0nesys stats #3 here
zywoo top 1 ez
s1mple top 7 KEKW
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okay. doesnt change the fact that he attended like 2 tier-1 events this year.
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There is a pretty huge gap between their stats actually.
Check #3
m0nesy is crazy this year, 2nd highest by pistol rating, 2nd highest by opening kill, 3d highest rating against top-5
kato cologne blast evps
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hltv.org/stats/players/18221/spinx?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star..
i see spinx has slightly more adr & slightly better stats against top 5 / 20 , with few more maps played , i dont see a world where m0nesy can take spinx n3 this year tbh , even tho spinx didnt get any mvp this year , he won a major & the evp will weight alot his placing
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you have to at least filter their stats by using "top-20/30"
anyway, the overall rating looks something like this hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2023-01..
and as I said, m0nesy is n.2 by openings n.2 by pistol rating n.3 by rating against top-5 + 3 evps
Spinx is for sure an insane player, taking his role into consideration but m0nesy is gonna be higher unless Spinx does something crazy aaand wins at least 1 mvp this year to have an advantage
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hltv.org/stats/players/matches/18221/spi..
ORKS, MIBR, COL
are you sure about that? :)
and thats what happens when you filter by LAN and not big events
hltv.org/matches/2365262/navity-vs-vitav..
such matches get counted as well.
Unfortunately you're wrong, mate.
hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star..
hltv.org/stats/players/18221/spinx?start..
well, we can do it like that. nothing really changes
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Why is that? After HLTV filters out their ratings, the stats are gonna be lower anyway. even the stats that I link now are gonna be lower because they have some weird criteria and way of cutting their ratings
all matches is used by nobody but you lol
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HLTV doesnt filter by top 20 lmao they use all stats from relevant events and make list based on all matches rating playoff rating elite event rating impact rating and mvps/evps or other unaccessable stats like last year for blamef adr in lost rounds aka proving him as exit fragger
Filtering by top 20 is irrelevant
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No, its not irrelevant, I dont have all the tools to filter out all the bad games so the easiest way is choosing big events against top-20 which would give you almost the same stats as if you picked every big tournament by hand + only counted the playoffs rating
Btw your rating against top-5 is one of the most important ones, something they point out every year, so filtering by top-20/5 is def. not "irrelevant" as you stated my dear s1mple hater/blind ZywOo fan
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Ur rating vs top 5 isnt that relevant if u dont make playoffs
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Well, apparently it is since HLTV mentions it. like here img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/OXHSfm95..
big matches rating too :)
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
they listed the same rating against top-5 as here. which basically confirms what I said earlier about big events and top-5/20 filters.
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?
he isnt top 1 in 2022 cuz he didnt played much in playoffs
and s1mple become top 1
u prove my point
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he wasnt top-1 because of s1mple's 2 mvps and like 3 S-tier EVPS, 2 lower-tier EVPS lol
not because he had played less playoffs XD
s1mple was the MVP of 2 biggest events + major, kato and rio EVP lol. ZywOo had no chance simply because of that.
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And stavn was in finals and quarters in biggest events and semis in major
S1mple kato semis and grouped in cologne grouped in major
And stavn probably has EVP in major as well
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Heroic*
doesnt prove shit. his stats are way worse. like 0.15 lower impact rating against top-5 says it all.
yeah, stavn maybe, only maybe has an evp or two. with much lower impact rating, openin kill rating, pistol rating, and 0.04 lower overall rating
s1mple wasnt playing in the groups as you stated, he played big-events playoffs matches and reached the semis 3 times.
you're basically saying that despite having worse stats in everything and less evps, he should be higher because his team reached the finals lol
hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start..
also that vs top 5 is here in featured
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hltv.org/matches/2360187/genone-vs-prodi..
nice match, great filter
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Is that counts vs top5
No?
So ur reply is irrelevant
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01..
img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/ATHWnFtm..
Ur filter is proven wrong
Meanwhile
hltv.org/stats/players/16555/ax1le?start..
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Are you baiting or really that stupid?
1.29
vs top 5 opponents
(26 maps)
if you open big events top-5 it literally says 1.29 down below which was stated in the article.
What does your link filterd by LAN (AHAH) and all matches prove?
#88 this wasnt enough? with all due respect, you're very silly.
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hltv.org/stats/players/16555/ax1le?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/16555/ax1le?start..
1.24 vs top 10 in article meanwhile
#92 is correct xd
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please explain, what does your link with 1.22 all matches LAN rating proves? there isnt a single 1.22 rating mentioned in Ax1le's article
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In fact, when you choose something else than "all" filter its not for when you play vs vs top50,30 etc... its a rzting for when you were playing in a topX team vs a topx team. HLTV doesnt use this filter, what they do is they let "all" and then watch the "featured rating" that are on the bottom of the player profil.
In fact it is not even LAN filter
It is all events with top teams
Considering ax1le doesnt have any showmatch events
HLTV counts even online events for article
img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/ATHWnFtm..
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01..
1.32 CT Rating
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01..
1.10 T rating
Matching the article
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hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01..
this is also matching, your point?
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1.22 vs top 10
1.24 in article
Nt
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are you high? 1.32, same as in article, your point?
and why are we arguing about his ct side rating? didnt match his overall rating ? :D
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img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/7XhmWfrn..
hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start..
Compare whatever stat u want it is same
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hltv.org/stats/players/16555/ax1le?start..
This matches adr kast kpr dpr
Lol
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hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
img-cdn.hltv.org/gallerypicture/W-jvvDDm..
this doesnt match rating, adr, kast
your point?
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Because s1mple played in showmatch tournaments and sh1ro isnt
As i proved u every event with top teams even rmrs/blast groups count towards hltv rating
If u filter out born to brave and kinguin legends
U match the article
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?event..
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Thats funny as hell. So you are saying that we should use the "all matches" filter which would never match unless you havent played any joke show match tournaments? "All matches" means that even some funky FunSpark events are gonna get counted. Every showmatch. No sht all matches can be used if you only played at good events. Doesnt work for those who play low tier- events / showmatches.
Not to mention that their most important ratings are listed as elite-tier, top-5 and playoffs.
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hltv.org/news/35379/top-20-players-of-20..
Funspark Ulti already in article
Thats for overall rating so my whole point is filtering top 20 is irrelevant most of the time
There are lot of factors to make list
All matches/big events/elite events(kato cologne majors and world final)/impact rating/big matches(playoff+elimination
Even some stats we dont access
hltv.org/news/35340/top-20-players-of-20..
Like
Another notable statistic that kept him back is that while he was very impactful in wins, his stats are boosted by some margin in the losses as he survived more often in losses than most players on the top 20 list and dealt the most damage out of anyone in losses (63.2 ADR).
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Guys, this will solve your problem
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01..
Matches perfectly with every single player.
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2023-01..
If u want to use a filter use this year
Basically selecting every relevant events
People were doing this in 2022 as well
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ehm, why would you add the blast groups or major challengers?
big events filter literally cuts 26 maps only from ZywOo XD
idk what you are arguing about. I can bet 500 euro that stavn is not gonna be higher than s1mple but you will never accept that bet. there is also no point in arguing with somebody who's trashing on s1mple only because he's a zywoo fan
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Because hltv uses all of the relevant events rmrs blast groups challenger stage to determine rating of player to put in article
And they make rankings based on other factors all matches/big events/playoffs/elite events
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wanna bet that stavn won't be higher or what?
you're an average crying s1mple-obsessed hater who can only talk. why should somebody take you seriosly when you're using an "all matches" filter where even show-matches are counted lol. not to mention thaty u use "lan" filter that is basically useless, unlike "big events"
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I owned u with #100
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you own nothing in this life, thats why you're using your 99th acc and browsing hltv all day long
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Did you, though?
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Yes bozo
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Maybe according to you.
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No arguments as usual from fatherless clown
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That would require you to be able to read.
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You have no arguments stupid waffler
it counts the games against top-20 teams at the time of the match
so yeah, basically against top-20. if APEKS is top-20 and they play a match against them, the match is counted
if APEKS is top-31 the match won't be counted
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nop it doesnt , it count the rating of the player when he was inside that rank , for example if the player his team was inside top 5 , selecting top 5 will just show his rating when he was in top 5 while he faced all kind of opponents , i said already featured rating is the one people should count on , here the prove hltv.org/stats/players/7938/xantares?sta.. , xantares already played some games against top 5 , but because the team never reached top 5 they show 0 games in that ranking
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hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7938/xant..
No, he really hasn't faced a single team that was top-5 at the time they played.
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Who the hell are you to tell me to not argue with you, moron? Link me at least one game from 2023 where he faced a top-5 team
also #128 this. ET have never been top-20, yet it shows the matches and strictly against the teams that are top-20, what a coincidence
I literally linked you all of his matches played this year. Feel free to tell us what team was top-5 that wasnt counted in "top-5 filter"
he is literally playing t2-t3 events. Hs chances of facing a top-5 team are zero.
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ur argument is too weak he didnt face top 5 teams cause he play in t2 3 , everything is obv idk why u act dumb , featured say he played 3 maps against top 5 teams , go look for it ur self not gonna do job for u , every analyst already proved that the featured rating is the base stats for players , not the filter ranking , do a favor & look for it ur self , instead of giving all those false based statistics
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My original argument is #129 but you completely ignored it.
him playing t2-t3 events where big teams dont even play is a fact, thats why you cant find any of his opponents being top-5
you're also switching from one thing to another. first that "top filter" now you are talking about the whole profile page in general
as I said earlier, ET have never reached top-20 in 2023, yet you can see their stats against top-20 (and strictly against the teams that were top-20 at that time)
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hltv.org/stats/players/matches/7938/xant..
when you filter by top-20 sure
but ET has never reached top-20. and you can see that it only shows the matches against the teams that were top-20.
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okay buddy
Nice list.
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thank you Jonty04l32
Wasn't you the one who opposed m0nesy being in top5? xD
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You have a weird memory...
Nah this clueless blud said NiKo top 2 is too high
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That was before the Cologne MVP because you responded to a comment made before then.
What is it with the memory of HLTV baiters...?
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the MVP of Cologne is NiKo but m0nesy has a strong EVP medal along with Kato EVP + Blast EVP.
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Of course.
Last year he had an MVP but two potential gold EVP's for this year is still just as good.
I was expecting m0nesy to be like 4th-5th this year tbh
but after comparing him to sh1ro, I found out that they have a 0.01 rating difference while m0nesy has extremely much higher openin kill rating + much better rating against top-5 + 3 evps while sh1ro has won nothing with like 1-2 evps and pretty much worse stats.
x
JABBI????
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He has an MVP + solid 1.10 rating + hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
one of the best openers this year.
but stavn has a better overall rating + possible major evp/good run so I'm not sure.
KSCERATO clears Sunpayus, Jabbi and stavn
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for sure
1-9 donk
10 zywoo
honorable mention sunpayus
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ty for that honorable mention
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thank you
Stavn clear of s1mple and ropz lmao
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hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/10994/stavn?start..
+2 evps. okay
ropz is also better by literally any criteria this year + 1 mvp on top of that.
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Stavn is in playoffs in every tournament meanwhile s1mple has 3 playoffs epl kato and rio
No playoffs in major+cologne
Ropz no playoffs in cologne+katowice+rio+blast lol
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only because his team is doing better doesnt mean that he is a better player
his perfomances are nowhere close to s1mple's. s1mple is also the best opener of the year, cry about that too.
you are maybe right about ropz though. I'm not sure about anyone from 8 to 10th place
ropz has an MVP and better stats while stavn has more playoffs + maybe a Major evp.
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hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2023-01..
stavn has 0.01 worse rating despite playing all the semis and finals
meanwhile s1mple has 0.01 higher rating despite only playing groups and playoffs in 3 events
it is easy decision
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what the heck are you talking about lol
hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/10994/stavn?start..
s1mple has 0.04 higher overall rating, 0.11 higher impact rating (lol)
.05 higher rating against top-5 and 0.15 higher impact rating against top-5
He has played in 3 semi finals so you're lying here as well. Not playing in the finals is not his fault, making it to the playoffs and playing 3 semis is more than enough
"playing groups" yeah, they got knocked out once but ok hltv.org/stats/players/events/7998/s1mpl..
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
then we click on openin kill rating and see that s1mple is the best opener of the year
then we click on pistol rating and see that stavn has 0,9 kd rating
yeah, easy decision, really.
what the fvck happened to simple this year
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I think the better question is asking what happened to Na'Vi this year.
he went from an amazing player to just a really good one.
In another thread you said Magisk wouldn’t make the top20, who comes before him in your opinion?
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When the hell did I say that? Why would you lie for no reason. Or maybe you have since I said that Vita has less firepower than c9 or g2 or papper
I have no idea and never thought about it but he probably will be in the top-20 list, Vita is winning and he already has a few evps in his pocket for sure
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where's me saying that Magisk won't be in top-20 this year?
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‘Vitality will also have 3 players in top20’
‘Yeah top 20 right’
“Yeah right: expressing sarcastic disagreement with, or disbelief at, what someone has said.“
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HAHA lol
Not a single word dropped about Magisk but ok. I meant that having 3 players in top-20 is not the same thing as top-10, two of whow are gonna be top-2 and top-3/4
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Meant to say a lot of things maybe actually say it next time
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"Yeah, top-20, right? not top-10."
perhaps this punctuation helps to understand the meaning better. would have been hella stupid of me to assume that Magisk won't be in the top-20 list this year lol
Top 11 rn is smth like this:
1. ZywOo
2. NiKo
3. sh1ro
4. m0nesy
5. Spinx
6. s1mple
7. stavn
8. ropz
9. device
10. frozen
11. SunPayus
>
rest
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Yeah, it's similar to mine, minus the Device placement in the Top 9.
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Device's Cologne partially redeems his overall absence at elite events this year. Besides this, his profile is quite similar to frozen. Both have the same problems and advantages.
Plus device has around 1.30 big match rating which is the reason I put him higher.
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dev1ce has x3 less t1 maps than anyone in the list, stop that copium
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hltv.org/stats/players?event=6863&event=..
device has 80 maps so far when the "top samplers" have around 100-110. Not that big of a deal.
You chose the wrong person to say "you are coping" to.
Fair enough. :)
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and your list is completely wrong.
dev1ce has one t1 event played this year, no major, no mvps, maybe 1 evp
hunter has an MVP + KATO/Cologne EVPS lol. his rating against top-5 is also higher than ropz's and stavn's
frozen 10 SunPayus 11? you must be kidding me :D
SunPayus has almost the same stats as m0nesy + one MVP + 1-2evps lol. if SunPayus wins one more MVP he can even surpass m0nesy LOL and you have him as 11th XDXD
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1. devices position is debatable surely, but I don't wanna talk about him as of now, his profile is too loose and dispersive so far.
2. huNter- is too inconsistent this year. Yes he does have high peaks at elite events, but I doubt they gonna guarantee him a top 10 spot, unless he continues like this in recent months.
3. SunPayus has much weaker sample size in comparison to any other player in my top 8, both in terms of maps and events played while stat-wise his far from being at device and frozen level. The biggest issue with him is his Major performance which, in fact, is a thing worse than not being attending at all. The only thing he actually stands out at is his peaks at Cologne, Dallas and Gamers8 which make him a strong top 10 contender.
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bro frozen has played in 2 playoffs this year, what stats are you talking about?
SunPayus has Dallas MVP with 1.27 rating
Gamers8 EVP with 1.22 rating
frozen : 9 maps against top-5, 1 evp at IEM Dallas where SunPayus won the MVP. You cant be serious.
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You probably don't even read my comments to the end. Otherwise would you say that SunPayus has Dallas and Gamres8 awards right after I said it myself.
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
SunPayus is the 4th best opener of the "year" to begin with hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
He has a good pistol rating hltv.org/stats/players/pistols?startDate..
His overall stats are slightly higher and his rating against top-5 is tremendously higher hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2023-01..
What can you say about this lol
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What can I say about this? I definitely can say that your filters mislead you.
#148 is the only one there is (as of notable events).
1. Open kills.
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?even..
2. Pistol rating is barely a decisive factor.
3. His top 5 rating is not the only thing there is as well. It's good (1.13 across 31 maps), but nothing special.
Moreover this is a cherry picking at its finest. You simply don't consider all of the flaws SunPayus has, especially the ones that I mentioned earlier.
4. Frozen has EVP at EPL 17 as well and 12 maps (not 9) vs top 5. Not much better, but still. You provide with misinformation.
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You know who's stats are actually missleading?
Yours. After adding all those irrelevant quals and blast groups, SunPayus ended up having less maps than dev1ce HAHA when in reality he has like x2 more t1 maps than him
What actually matters the most is how you performed at actual events and especially in the playoffs.
And when you cut all those irrelevant qualifications you get this
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star..
where dev1ce isnt even listed because of lack of maps. while SunPayus is 4th cauz he actually attended t1 events and in the playoffs.
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HLTV consider open kill rating only across the notable event maps filter. Big event rating stands by itself, it doesn't affect by any other filters except for elite event rating.
You simply don't know how these rankings are made. This is the fact that is backed up by you saying "irrelevant quals". They are relevant and will be counted toward the finals list of note worthy events.
As of play offs. Device has something around 1.30 big match rating across (don't remember exactly) 15-20 maps. SunPayus was a poor playoff player up until Cologne.
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XD Well well, a filter that shows more maps for dev1ce than SunPayus is clearly not the best tbh
The one who has missed ove 50% of t1 CS VS someone who has a streak of 3 S-tier finals. Interesting comparison.
As I've already said millions of times, dev1ce and especially frozen are not even remotely close to touch the same spot as SunPayus because they have little to none play offs appearances. Most of dev1ce's stats are farmed at quals and groups
Pistol rating is always listed and also has some value so its nothnig to be ignored. But it doesnt really matter since SunPayus clears by any other criteria anyway.
And I dont provide any missinformation, I provide the stats from big events. He has 9 maps at big events, 12 overall.
I dont care what frozen has, he has attended 2 playoffs this year while SunPayus has played in 3 finals, won one, has an MVP + 2 evps one of the highest ratings this year. You are truly clueless in this topic, rating t2 players and judging by their stats. I bet you had blameF as your 5th last year, meanwhile people like me easily predicted him not making it to top-10 lol
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Pistol rating is included, but it's barely a decisive factor. Read carefully.
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"HLTV consider open kill rating only across the notable event maps filter. Big event rating stands by itself, it doesn't affect by any other filters except for elite event rating."
> you are clueless in this topic
> keeps providing with cerry-picked stats, thinking big events are the only things that matters, etc.
No I hadn't BlameF at top 5. It's either your reading comprehension is lacking or you are simply biased. I never said that "pure stats" are only thing that matters.
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You said barely a decisive a factor but its still a factor, read carefully.
Me being biased, okay. Not having players with almost 0 playoffs appearances this year is being biased these days, okay.
I'm literally speechless how can one person be so wrong lmao.
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This is a cherry-picking. There are tons of factors, but you chose to bring only those that speaks of a player the best.
"With almost 0 playoffs".
Device had 2 playoffs that both ended up with 2 strong EVPs, one of them is from elite event.
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Yes, the Danes awards are not comparable to the SunPayus ones, but you act like theres no other things to compare.
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dev1ce - 2 playoffs
SunPayus - 3 finals, 1 semi final, 1 major appearance
hm.... 2 playoffs in 9 months, hmm...
"2 strong EVPS" gj
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Whats wrong with "2 strong EVPs" take?
Don't forget about Major where SunPayus had a poor event.
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thats the only reason why he isnt above Spinx.
As I said earleir, his rating is slightly worse than m0nesys but he also has an MVP, something that m0nesy doesnt even have this year. And you have a 7 places gap between them lol.
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Do you know that m0nesy's Cologne EVP is stronger than any MVP this year except for ZywOo's at Paris Major and NiKo's at the same event?
Just for reference here are the top 5 peaks this year so far:
1. ZywOo Major MVP
2. iM Major EVP
3. NiKo Cologne MVP (2nd and 3rd are equal I'd say)
4. m0nesy Cologne EVP
5. Spinx Major EVP
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Thank you, thats why I have m0nesy as my 3d despite him not having any MVP
Now, what motivated you to put sh1ro over m0nesy? you're saying he has one of the most valuable EVPS this year while his stats are insane, what's the secret?
m0nesy is like 4th highest rated this year with slightly worse overall rating, much higher impact rating, much higher opening kill rating + literally the most valuable EVP after the major one.
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sh1ro is the most all-rounded player this year (behind ZywOo ofc). He doesn't have a single flaw. 3 decent EVPs, 1.20+ stats almost everywhere with a decent sample.
All things considered he is just too good for m0nesy and too weak for NiKo rn.
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A single flaw? Hm, let me think. Low impact rating? Barely 1kd opening kill rating?
hltv.org/stats/players/16920/sh1ro?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/19230/m0nesy?star..
Please dont get me wrong but...
m0nesy has almost identical 2.0 rating with much higher impact and opening kill rating. M0nesy has one of the most valuable EVPS + Blast MVP as well
Oh yeah, I forgot one tiny thing. sh1ro has missed the BLAST major and has much less t1 maps (less active) than m0nesy this year.
But yeah, not a single flaw. KEep living in a delusion though.
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Yeah, the fact that he missed the major is the only one flaw actually. I almost forgot about that.
They doesn't have identical stats. Sh1ro is a mile ahead.
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a mile head in your delusional imaginary world lmao
they have a 0.03 overall rating difference even by using your wrong link. talk about the bias now. you are not even backiing it up by anything.
when in reality they are almost the same if we look at the playoffs or elite-tier ratings. not to mention that sh1ro has way more less maps played.
again. low impact rating, 1kd opening kill rating while m0nesy's is over 1.20?
Here is our boi sh1ro, the most effective sniper on the planet hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?even..
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Wrong link"
I provided you with a link that will be the one HLTV will base their ratings, KPR, ADR, etc. things on.
Here is the 2022 notable events filter.
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2022-01..
100% match with every single player. Notice that all of these "irrelevant quals" are there.
My filter is not bias, but an official (by hltv) thing.
Impact and open kill rating are related things. One partially is consisted of the other. You act like these are two different arguments instead of one. Btw his impact is not that big of a deal unlike missed major.
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Nice filter, add cs_summit and DH Open Summer next time, okay?
Again. M0nesy's elite-tier / playoffs is literally identical but with much more maps
impact is affected by openings but thats not the only criteria, thats why they are separated and m0nesy's opening rating is .15 higher while the impact rating is 0.05 or something like that
a quote from 2022
"Another important factor in his top-ten finish on the list is that he maintained potent-level displays when playing at both the biggest tournaments of the year and against the toughest opposition. m0NESY averaged a stellar 1.17 rating across the four Elite Events he participated in while also going on to showcase a superlative 1.22 rating across 35 maps against top-five opposition.
What's more, m0NESY was one of the most impactful players in the world in a number of categories. He boasted a 64.3% opening kill success rate, the highest in the world when compared to those with above-average attempts, the seventh-best K-D ratio (+572), and proved to be a hard foe to go up against with the eighth-lowest deaths per round (0.59).
The reason m0NESY was unable to rank higher in the list was due in part to missing more individual accolades in comparison with the players above him and most of his higher-ranked peers outperforming him on an individual level. He also sported a 1.11 rating in Big Matches, which while not poor, was simply bested by those who placed higher."
same is gonna happen to sh1ro
his elite-tier rating might be the same or like 0.01 lower (yet much less maps) his extremely way less impact and lack of playoffs is gonna be the crucial factor here. and Monesy's Cologne EVP
It's still just an estimation at the end of the day.
Only ZywOo's and NiKo's spots are practically confirmed, the rest are still up for debate.
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Putting frozen at 10th and SunPayus at 11th spot is beyond craziness though.
Some of the spots are indeed arguable but having frozen as your 10th and SunPayus out of top-10 is too much lol
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valid list do you think nertz will be top 20 this year?
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50/50. Depend how he gonna play for the rest of the year. Right now he a good top 20 contender.
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nobody is asking a person who puts frozen, dev1ce in his top-10 and SunPayus at 11th spot
but thanks for making me laugh
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NertZ btw has around 1.00 playoff rating and 1.03 rating and elite events. His place at top 20 is not secured yet.
Btw at this point you just decided to turn deaf to any word I'm to say. I'm wrong by default rn you may think. This conversation is pointless now on.
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ofc it is. you are adding funspark and pinnacle cups to boost your fan player's stats when in reality his stats are way lower
what are you smoking? while his playoffs stats might not be the highest, he is still averaging like 1.15 overall and its more than enough for a top-20 spot
go take some sleep
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Do you read my comments from start to finish?
This is not "my own filter that I do to please my fantasies", it is the one that official HLTV stuff use to make the top. It's a 100% match. You are baiting at this point.
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baiting? HLTV can belittle your S-tier rating simply because your playoffs rating or elite-tier sucks. While you are adding some low-tier trash cups that have zero to no value.
just stop. you're not gonna prove anything by linking A-tier cups added to your filter.
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My whole point was:
There are 4 different chief filters that are valued about the same.
Notable events (the one I give)
Big events (the one you give)
Elite events
Big matches
Only one of them is being imposed with other, less valuable filters like OpK rating, top5/10/20 rating, etc.
It's the first one. That's not a thing that I made up for whatever reason, it's HLTV. Don't like that they consider all these mickey mouse events? Tell them, not me.
Well, I'm gonna go sleep. Have a nice night.
NertZ has an Gamers8 EVP and very decent stats
pretty sure he will be in the top-20 list this year
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sh0ro second
Somehow some people doesn't understand that there are differences in playstyles how teams play, so it has a HUGE impact how the stats look.
ropz > S1mple
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Device and BlameF are definitely not Top 6, friend. Too few S-Tier events played and there is no way Device can place higher than NiKo.
Interesting list, though.
Stopped reading at 2. sh1ro
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Simply putting them in that top-10 list is disrespectful in general
just like devve and sh1ro before NiKo lmao...
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Ok why
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Pretty sure he will. Saying that as s1mples biggest fan. Major EVP is really crucial, but s1 still has some other EVPs + better stats so he can still secure that 5th spot
Bro missed Frozen
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2 playoffs this year, 1 evp. he is def not making it to top-10.
you have candidates with similar stats but x10 more t1 maps and playoffs played this year + multiple evps (including major evps) and MVPS
he didnt even attend major, no chance.
You forgot Osee
makes me happy subpayus getting praise he deserves
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prove it
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show me how its wrong and maybe you will have some respect of mine
cauz for now you're the only "noob" here
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